Scaramouche! Scaramouche! It's a load of Nonfango...
Nigel Eaton
what I purchased from one Lozzo of this parish to the ZZR.
This involved the making of two brackets by the 'Bonwick' technique:
"No, that's too small. No, that's too big, No that's...".
Having stood back and admired the results I hereby decree that the ZZR
shall henceforth be known as 'The Imperial Barge'.
These are large boxes.
I have been for a test-blat and can report that unloaded they don't seem
to make any difference to stability at speeds of up to an alleged ton.
More research is necessary.
They're not as well-engineered as Givi stuff, but they'll certainly do
the job. I am an officially happy bunny.
--
Nigel
WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20
ZZR1100 and Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner" (No , I'm
not sure how that happened either).
Bear
...
> This involved the making of two brackets by the 'Bonwick' technique:
> "No, that's too small. No, that's too big, No that's...".
If I end up keeping the R1 I'm going to need to bung some hard luggage
on it as a tankbag is a nightmare and I don't think it'll like
throwovers much either ... would sir be happy to have a look at
producing a bracket in return for a beer or 10?
--
Bear
These are my own opinions, and not necessarily those of all Bears
"All the gear ... no idea!"
Bear's Current Paw Track: Moby: "We Are All Made Of Stars"
Kraggash
<nig...@rcav8r.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Today I are mostly been spending some time bolting the Nonfango luggage
>what I purchased from one Lozzo of this parish to the ZZR.
>
>This involved the making of two brackets by the 'Bonwick' technique:
>"No, that's too small. No, that's too big, No that's...".
>
>Having stood back and admired the results I hereby decree that the ZZR
>shall henceforth be known as 'The Imperial Barge'.
>
>These are large boxes.
>
>I have been for a test-blat and can report that unloaded they don't seem
>to make any difference to stability at speeds of up to an alleged ton.
>More research is necessary.
>
>They're not as well-engineered as Givi stuff, but they'll certainly do
>the job. I am an officially happy bunny.
I hope he didn't charge you more for it than I sold it to him for!
I like nonfango, I like Givi more, but nonfango did the job to the
east of France last year with no probs whatsoever on the Blackbird.
You need to be a bit careful to load it evenly though on the Bird
anyway, otherwise it gets a bit swervy at three figures.
--
Kraggash
Infamy, infamy .......
Bear
wibbled ...
> I like nonfango, I like Givi more, but nonfango did the job to the
> east of France last year with no probs whatsoever on the Blackbird.
> You need to be a bit careful to load it evenly though on the Bird
> anyway, otherwise it gets a bit swervy at three figures.
I know fuck all about hard luggage (although I've still got a set of
Rickman panniers in Mummy Bear's loft) ... are Givi considered the
puppies to have? And do they come up secondhand very often? What sort of
money am I looking at?
Nigel Eaton
<mungmone...@ntlworld.com> typed
>On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:21:17 +0000, Nigel Eaton
><nig...@rcav8r.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Today I are mostly been spending some time bolting the Nonfango luggage
>>what I purchased from one Lozzo of this parish to the ZZR.
>
>
What, you think fifteen hundred was a bit steep? ;^)
>You need to be a bit careful to load it evenly though on the Bird
>anyway, otherwise it gets a bit swervy at three figures.
Noted. I'll have to load the beer evenly on the way back from France.
Nigel Eaton
<bastardUND...@yahoo.com> typed
>
>If I end up keeping the R1 I'm going to need to bung some hard luggage
>on it as a tankbag is a nightmare and I don't think it'll like
>throwovers much either ... would sir be happy to have a look at
>producing a bracket in return for a beer or 10?
I'd be happy to look at it, but to be honest the brackets I made were
only extensions for the existing ones. You might be better off buying
the real thing though if you're going to be touring at Bear speeds. Let
me know if you need to.
Bear
...
> Using the patented Mavis Bacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear
> <bastardUND...@yahoo.com> typed
> >
> >If I end up keeping the R1 I'm going to need to bung some hard luggage
> >on it as a tankbag is a nightmare and I don't think it'll like
> >throwovers much either ... would sir be happy to have a look at
> >producing a bracket in return for a beer or 10?
>
> I'd be happy to look at it, but to be honest the brackets I made were
> only extensions for the existing ones. You might be better off buying
> the real thing though if you're going to be touring at Bear speeds. Let
> me know if you need to.
can get brackets to fit just about anything, but I'm not sure how their
stuff would work with an upswept exhaust.
wessie
news:MPG.18e96392b...@News.CIS.DFN.DE:
>> >If I end up keeping the R1 I'm going to need to bung some hard luggage
>> >on it as a tankbag is a nightmare and I don't think it'll like
>> >throwovers much either ... would sir be happy to have a look at
>> >producing a bracket in return for a beer or 10?
>>
>
> Cheers ... I've just had a look at a Givi website, and they reckon you
> can get brackets to fit just about anything, but I'm not sure how their
> stuff would work with an upswept exhaust.
a former colleague swears by this stuff, used on a Gixer600 and a BMW
RGS850 http://www.ventura-bike.com/
Personally, I used to use a GIVI Wingrack on a VFR. Got pissed off with the
width. Impedes filtering. On the RGS I use a GIVI Monorack as a topbox and
bungee a tailpack to the rear seat for extra capacity.
GIVI boxes rock - mine is 9 years old, been used and abused on several
bikes and still shows no signs of falling apart or leaking.
--
wes...@ukrm.newt
BMW R1150GS
Salad Dodger
<bastardUND...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> are Givi considered the puppies to have?
Yes.
>And do they come up secondhand very often?
No.
>What sort of money am I looking at?
Lots.
btw, I've got a Rickman topbox in the garage somewhere.
You know, the one that's like a washing up bowl with a lid.
It's on Renntec rack for a CBR1000.
--
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|_\_____/_| IMC#4 TPPFATUICG#7 YTC#4 DIAABTCOD#9
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'^'
YTC#1
XJ900 , weaves like a weaving thing at 120+ , take panniers off. No diff :=}
--
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Ginge
>
> If I end up keeping the R1 I'm going to need to bung some hard luggage
> on it as a tankbag is a nightmare and I don't think it'll like
> throwovers much either ..
Get a cheapie sportsrack and put the throwovers across the seat and the
rack. Used to work well on the R6, that did.
--
ginge [at] stopthevoices.org.uk - Kawasaki ZRX 1200R, Yamaha SZR660
TAB#0, DFWAG#1, MRO#4, KotMRO#, BOTAFOT#29, BONY#17, FAST#03(P)
Bear
> a former colleague swears by this stuff, used on a Gixer600 and a BMW
> RGS850 http://www.ventura-bike.com/
I'll have a look a bit later.
> Personally, I used to use a GIVI Wingrack on a VFR. Got pissed off with the
> width. Impedes filtering. On the RGS I use a GIVI Monorack as a topbox and
> bungee a tailpack to the rear seat for extra capacity.
I dread to think what kind of wheelies a R1 with a top box would pull :)
> GIVI boxes rock - mine is 9 years old, been used and abused on several
> bikes and still shows no signs of falling apart or leaking.
Thanks for the feedback.
Bear
...
> Bear wrote..
> >
> > If I end up keeping the R1 I'm going to need to bung some hard luggage
> > on it as a tankbag is a nightmare and I don't think it'll like
> > throwovers much either ..
>
> Get a cheapie sportsrack and put the throwovers across the seat and the
> rack. Used to work well on the R6, that did.
... *if* I gain some employment shortly I am going to do a *proper* tour
of Europe this summer :)
Bear
wibbled ...
> btw, I've got a Rickman topbox in the garage somewhere.
I've got a set of their interchangeable panniers/top box from about 20
years ago :)
Leaks like a sieve, is clunky and a bit naff looking, but by fuck are
they tough ... they acted as a set of impromptu crash bars when I
launched the CX Euro :)
Bear
...
> In article <Xns9348C10...@130.133.1.4>, wessie wibbled ...
>
> > a former colleague swears by this stuff, used on a Gixer600 and a BMW
> > RGS850 http://www.ventura-bike.com/
>
> I'll have a look a bit later.
Tail pack. Don't want.
Champ
<bastardUND...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>... *if* I gain some employment shortly I am going to do a *proper* tour
>of Europe this summer :)
It occurs to me that that statement is inherently contradictory
--
Champ : worse than Bonwick
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZXR750 Endurance Racer
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 UKRMFBC#2 IHABWTMMJ#3 MCT#5 WG*#1 BONY#40 DFV#8 IbW#17 SBS#34
Racing : www.team-ukrm.com. Vanity Publishing : www.champ.org.uk
Bear
...
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:54:54 -0000, Bear
> <bastardUND...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >... *if* I gain some employment shortly I am going to do a *proper* tour
> >of Europe this summer :)
>
> It occurs to me that that statement is inherently contradictory
If it comes off, I'll explain further ;)
wessie
news:MPG.18e9a8557...@News.CIS.DFN.DE:
> In article <MPG.18e98ed7c...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>, Bear wibbled
> ...
>> In article <Xns9348C10...@130.133.1.4>, wessie wibbled ...
>>
>> > a former colleague swears by this stuff, used on a Gixer600 and a BMW
>> > RGS850 http://www.ventura-bike.com/
>>
>> I'll have a look a bit later.
>
> Tail pack. Don't want.
Fairy nuff. Just offered it as an option. I was never convinced by it.
Expensive, looks pants & soft so less secure.
Givi as a topbox looks shit and creates interesting [1] handling in a cross
wind. These minus points are outweighed by the practical aspects referred
to in an earlier reply.
[1] interesting as in "in the interests of avoiding a swim in the Severn
Estuary you had better learn to countersteer"
--
wes...@ukrm.newt
BMW R1150GS
Bear
> > Tail pack. Don't want.
>
> Fairy nuff. Just offered it as an option. I was never convinced by it.
> Expensive, looks pants & soft so less secure.
Exactly; nice paragraph :)
> Givi as a topbox looks shit and creates interesting [1] handling in a cross
> wind. These minus points are outweighed by the practical aspects referred
> to in an earlier reply.
Indeed; I want some panniers I can bolt on, tour down with, then remove
and have fun.
> [1] interesting as in "in the interests of avoiding a swim in the Severn
> Estuary you had better learn to countersteer"
Eeeek. Been there, etc etc
Salad Dodger
<bastardUND...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <Xns9348C10...@130.133.1.4>, wessie wibbled ...
>
>> a former colleague swears by this stuff, used on a Gixer600 and a BMW
>> RGS850 http://www.ventura-bike.com/
>
>I'll have a look a bit later.
>
>> Personally, I used to use a GIVI Wingrack on a VFR. Got pissed off with the
>> width. Impedes filtering. On the RGS I use a GIVI Monorack as a topbox and
>> bungee a tailpack to the rear seat for extra capacity.
>
>I dread to think what kind of wheelies a R1 with a top box would pull :)
>
>> GIVI boxes rock - mine is 9 years old, been used and abused on several
>> bikes and still shows no signs of falling apart or leaking.
>
>Thanks for the feedback.
I've got Wingrack on the Blackbird, and a set of 50 litre Maxi boxes.
Bit of a mistake, really, as they're really *too* big.
With the panniers on, the 'bird is wider than the Wing, at the back.
Linda likes the topbox, though, but that probly cos she's got used to
the backrest on the Wing.
Bear
wibbled ...
> I've got Wingrack on the Blackbird, and a set of 50 litre Maxi boxes.
>
> Bit of a mistake, really, as they're really *too* big.
>
> With the panniers on, the 'bird is wider than the Wing, at the back.
But Givi do those slimline things don't they.
> Linda likes the topbox, though, but that probly cos she's got used to
> the backrest on the Wing.
Awwww ... bless :)
Salad Dodger
<bastardUND...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <r2cv7v4f0j84b0td7...@4ax.com>, Salad Dodger
>wibbled ...
>
>> I've got Wingrack on the Blackbird, and a set of 50 litre Maxi boxes.
>>
>> Bit of a mistake, really, as they're really *too* big.
>>
>> With the panniers on, the 'bird is wider than the Wing, at the back.
>
>But Givi do those slimline things don't they.
They do.
http://www.givi.it/home/frame.asp
Bear
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:29:21 -0000, Bear
> <bastardUND...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <r2cv7v4f0j84b0td7...@4ax.com>, Salad Dodger
> >wibbled ...
> >
> >> I've got Wingrack on the Blackbird, and a set of 50 litre Maxi boxes.
> >>
> >> Bit of a mistake, really, as they're really *too* big.
> >>
> >> With the panniers on, the 'bird is wider than the Wing, at the back.
> >
> >But Givi do those slimline things don't they.
>
> They do.
>
> http://www.givi.it/home/frame.asp
Mike Buckley
>a former colleague swears by this stuff, used on a Gixer600 and a BMW
>RGS850 http://www.ventura-bike.com/
>
>Personally, I used to use a GIVI Wingrack on a VFR. Got pissed off with the
>width. Impedes filtering. On the RGS I use a GIVI Monorack as a topbox and
>bungee a tailpack to the rear seat for extra capacity.
>
>GIVI boxes rock - mine is 9 years old, been used and abused on several
>bikes and still shows no signs of falling apart or leaking.
>
I like the Ventura stuff too, as I don't do that much touring it's handy
to have something that's quick and easy to take off the bike.
Quite impressed by the fitment range - they seem to cater for most
Series B onwards Vincents... :)
--
Mike Buckley
YZF600R RD350LC2 RD350/RGV/FZR Special
http://www.toastyhamster.freeserve.co.uk
BONY#38
mups
<snip>
> btw, I've got a Rickman topbox in the garage somewhere.
>
> You know, the one that's like a washing up bowl with a lid.
>
> It's on Renntec rack for a CBR1000.
You don't fancy swapping the rack for a suitable number of beer tokens by
any chance?
--
Chris (XChr...@Xchurchstone.comX) Remove X's for address
BOTAFOT#128
CBR1000FL The Honda Fatblade
Ginge
> "Salad Dodger" <spam&salad....@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
>
> > Linda likes the topbox, though, but that probly cos she's got used to
> > the backrest on the Wing.
>
> nodding of at 90 mph?
Throw her off the bike.
FFS, it's not that difficult to work out. :o)
PeterT
> Linda likes the topbox, though, but that probly cos she's got used to
> the backrest on the Wing.
Must be in the name, my Linda says the same. How do prevent her from
nodding of at 90 mph?
--
ts350 xl600v
petert
Stan Stannard
<nig...@rcav8r.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Having stood back and admired the results I hereby decree that the ZZR
>shall henceforth be known as 'The Imperial Barge'.
Funny, fully bagged up mine brought to mind a Tornado with the big
drop tanks on, and a brace of JP233 underneath....
--
Stan Stannard - Grimsby, UK
St...@ukrm.net
"The mardy bastard"
ANORAK#01 BONY#57 UKRMSBC#01
Kawazaki ZZR1100D
Champ
wrote:
>>Having stood back and admired the results I hereby decree that the ZZR
>>shall henceforth be known as 'The Imperial Barge'.
>
>Funny, fully bagged up mine brought to mind a Tornado with the big
>drop tanks on, and a brace of JP233 underneath....
Sorry mate, don't understand your lingo
YTC#1
> On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:38:46 +0000, YTC#1 <y...@ytc1.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>>XJ900 , weaves like a weaving thing at 120+ , take panniers off. No diff :=}
>
>
> wrench. It made an amazing improvement to my XJ900F.
>
All been done. I reckon it is a mixture of "They all do that sir" and an
after effect of the front end T bone in '99.
I mean , I am not bothered by the weave at 120+ as I don't do that all
the time and the head shake as it comes down below 40 only comes in if I
take my hands off the bars.
Wouldn't have a petrol tank laying around would you ?
Salad Dodger
wrote:
I don't.
As Champ will attest, a long trip on the Wing is almost impossible to
endure whilst awake.
Salad Dodger
>Salad Dodger <spam&salad....@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
><snip>
>> btw, I've got a Rickman topbox in the garage somewhere.
>>
>> You know, the one that's like a washing up bowl with a lid.
>>
>> It's on Renntec rack for a CBR1000.
>
>You don't fancy swapping the rack for a suitable number of beer tokens by
>any chance?
Certainly.
You going to the BOSM?
There's also a rocker cover gasket, and a Clymer manual if you're
interested. I'll have a rummage round the garage this weekend.
Kraggash
<bastardUND...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <seju7vkejmkc7qbpl...@4ax.com>, Kraggash
>wibbled ...
>
>> I like nonfango, I like Givi more, but nonfango did the job to the
>> east of France last year with no probs whatsoever on the Blackbird.
>> You need to be a bit careful to load it evenly though on the Bird
>> anyway, otherwise it gets a bit swervy at three figures.
>
>I know fuck all about hard luggage (although I've still got a set of
>Rickman panniers in Mummy Bear's loft) ... are Givi considered the
>puppies to have? And do they come up secondhand very often? What sort of
>money am I looking at?
Since when did knowing anything about anything prevent one becoming a
usenet expert?
I've got a full set of nonfango for the BBird, it is waterproof and
pretty solid when closed, but a bit 'flexible' when open for packing.
I also have a Givi topbox for the Divvy, which is a much better built
product and I can recommend it. However nonfango is cheaper and isn
some cases (no pun intended) actually looks better on the bike as it
is shaped. BTW I bought my kit from Chris des Clayes <waves> whoa
helped me fit it (I held the spanners) without his help I would have
been knackered 'cos it's a bugger to fit!
--
Kraggash
Infamy, infamy .......
Kraggash
>On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:16:09 +0000, Stan Stannard <st...@ukrm.net>
>wrote:
>
>>>Having stood back and admired the results I hereby decree that the ZZR
>>>shall henceforth be known as 'The Imperial Barge'.
>>
>>Funny, fully bagged up mine brought to mind a Tornado with the big
>>drop tanks on, and a brace of JP233 underneath....
>
>Sorry mate, don't understand your lingo
something like this but with bigger drop tanks
http://galeon.hispavista.com/aviones/TORNADO_3.jpg
wessie
news:5mi18vg1efmvrdp90...@4ax.com:
> However nonfango is cheaper and isn
> some cases (no pun intended) actually looks better on the bike as it
> is shaped. BTW I bought my kit from Chris des Clayes <waves> whoa
> helped me fit it (I held the spanners) without his help I would have
> been knackered 'cos it's a bugger to fit!
ah, that's summat I did not mention - I've fitted GIVI stuff to 4 bikes. On
each occasion the instructions were clear and everything lined up correctly
--
wes...@ukrm.newt
BMW R1150GS
Champ
<spam&salad....@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:08:27 -0000, "PeterT" <kr...@ukrmdotnet.cut>
>wrote:
>
>>"Salad Dodger" <spam&salad....@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> Linda likes the topbox, though, but that probly cos she's got used to
>>> the backrest on the Wing.
>>
>>Must be in the name, my Linda says the same. How do prevent her from
>>nodding of at 90 mph?
>
>I don't.
>
>As Champ will attest, a long trip on the Wing is almost impossible to
>endure whilst awake.
heh
Champ
Yes, I know it's an aeroplane (hence my stylised response). What I
rally wanted to to know is what a drop tank and a JP233 is.
Salad Dodger
>On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:41:53 +0000, Kraggash
><mungmone...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:58:05 +0000, Champ <uk...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:16:09 +0000, Stan Stannard <st...@ukrm.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Having stood back and admired the results I hereby decree that the ZZR
>>>>>shall henceforth be known as 'The Imperial Barge'.
>>>>
>>>>Funny, fully bagged up mine brought to mind a Tornado with the big
>>>>drop tanks on, and a brace of JP233 underneath....
>>>
>>>Sorry mate, don't understand your lingo
>>
>>
>>something like this but with bigger drop tanks
>>
>>http://galeon.hispavista.com/aviones/TORNADO_3.jpg
>
>Yes, I know it's an aeroplane (hence my stylised response). What I
>rally wanted to to know is what a drop tank and a JP233 is.
A drop tank is a spare fuel tank, that can be dropped when either
emptied, or if the aircraft engages in combat.
JP.233 was developed as a means to destroy, and prevent repair, of
Warsaw Pact airfields. The pod was in two sections each carrying a
different sub-munition: The rear section carries SG.357 anti-runway
weapons, which penetrates the runway surface before exploding and
cratering the runway. The forward portion carried HB.876 area denial
mines that are scattered around the damaged area. These mines create a
hazard for any repair teams.
hth
Beelzebub
> JP.233 was developed as a means to destroy, and prevent repair, of
> Warsaw Pact airfields. The pod was in two sections each carrying a
> different sub-munition: The rear section carries SG.357 anti-runway
> weapons, which penetrates the runway surface before exploding and
> cratering the runway. The forward portion carried HB.876 area denial
> mines that are scattered around the damaged area. These mines create a
> hazard for any repair teams.
That description of the HB876 the understatement of the year too ;-) Nasty,
nasty things!
--
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Bear
...
> Yes, I know it's an aeroplane (hence my stylised response). What I
> rally wanted to to know is what a drop tank and a JP233 is.
A drop tank is an external fuel tank; you run the plane's engines from
it, then jettison it when it's dry, hence the "drop"
A JP233 is a runway killer/runway denial bomb ... actually a series of
many bomblets; some penetrate the tarmac to fuck up the tarmac so you
can't fly planes off them, the others mine the area so when some poor
fucker comes to fill in the holes they get killed too. It's a sod to
deploy as it's both a) very heavy and b) requires the pilot to fly
straight down the length of the runway ... guess where they put most AAA
batteries field of fire?
Ain't technology wonderful? :(
Bear
...
> Salad Dodger <spam&salad....@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:lpt18vkq95s9t6i19...@4ax.com...
>
> > JP.233 was developed as a means to destroy, and prevent repair, of
> > Warsaw Pact airfields. The pod was in two sections each carrying a
> > different sub-munition: The rear section carries SG.357 anti-runway
> > weapons, which penetrates the runway surface before exploding and
> > cratering the runway. The forward portion carried HB.876 area denial
> > mines that are scattered around the damaged area. These mines create a
> > hazard for any repair teams.
>
> That description of the HB876 the understatement of the year too ;-) Nasty,
> nasty things!
Interesting that they don't seem to come under the international "mine
ban" eh?
Salad Dodger
<bastardUND...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <b5qt9s$2bmht4$1...@ID-97436.news.dfncis.de>, Beelzebub wibbled
>...
>> Salad Dodger <spam&salad....@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
>> news:lpt18vkq95s9t6i19...@4ax.com...
>>
>> > JP.233 was developed as a means to destroy, and prevent repair, of
>> > Warsaw Pact airfields. The pod was in two sections each carrying a
>> > different sub-munition: The rear section carries SG.357 anti-runway
>> > weapons, which penetrates the runway surface before exploding and
>> > cratering the runway. The forward portion carried HB.876 area denial
>> > mines that are scattered around the damaged area. These mines create a
>> > hazard for any repair teams.
>>
>> That description of the HB876 the understatement of the year too ;-) Nasty,
>> nasty things!
>
>Interesting that they don't seem to come under the international "mine
>ban" eh?
The JP.233 submunitions were later banned under the Ottawa Protocol
that bans the use of landmines.
Bear
wibbled ...
> >Interesting that they don't seem to come under the international "mine
> >ban" eh?
>
> The JP.233 submunitions were later banned under the Ottawa Protocol
> that bans the use of landmines.
Cool.
So they can't be deployed and have all been destroyed then?
Wizard
bastardUND...@yahoo.com says...
> A JP233 is a runway killer/runway denial bomb ... actually a series of
> many bomblets; some penetrate the tarmac to fuck up the tarmac so you
> can't fly planes off them, the others mine the area so when some poor
> fucker comes to fill in the holes they get killed too. It's a sod to
> deploy as it's both a) very heavy and b) requires the pilot to fly
> straight down the length of the runway ... guess where they put most AAA
> batteries field of fire?
>
> Ain't technology wonderful? :(
>
In 1991 deploying them was the job of the RAF Tornado guys, hence their
relatively high casualty rate. But it had to be done to keep the Iraqui
Air Force on the ground. And while they were on the ground the Yanks
dropped laser-guided bombs on their shelters.
This time round, I haven't seen or heard much about attacks on airfields,
or the Iraqui Air force doing very much at all. Are these things just not
getting coverage? or is our air superiority just persuading the
opposition not to take off?
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Salad Dodger
<bastardUND...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <l4v18vc8gd0ld0tin...@4ax.com>, Salad Dodger
>wibbled ...
>
>> >Interesting that they don't seem to come under the international "mine
>> >ban" eh?
>>
>> The JP.233 submunitions were later banned under the Ottawa Protocol
>> that bans the use of landmines.
>
>Cool.
>
>So they can't be deployed and have all been destroyed then?
No.
We sold them to some dodgy bloke.
Middle Eastern in appearance, dodgy 'tache.
Bear
wibbled ...
> This time round, I haven't seen or heard much about attacks on airfields,
> or the Iraqui Air force doing very much at all. Are these things just not
> getting coverage? or is our air superiority just persuading the
> opposition not to take off?
The latter, I suspect.
The thing about ground troops is that although you can bomb them for
ages from the air, you still have to mop them up on foot ... Iraq
represents an ideal terrain for airborne operations, yet we'd still have
to send ground troops in to finish the job, so why bother flying
operations at all if you;re the Iraqis?
steve auvache
>This time round, I haven't seen or heard much about attacks on airfields,
>or the Iraqui Air force doing very much at all. Are these things just not
>getting coverage? or is our air superiority just persuading the
>opposition not to take off?
The US need the airfields open so that they can resupply their forward
positions in relative safety?
--
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Wizard
bastardUND...@yahoo.com says...
> In article <MPG.18eb0e356...@news.btinternet.com>, Wizard
> wibbled ...
>
> > This time round, I haven't seen or heard much about attacks on airfields,
> > or the Iraqui Air force doing very much at all. Are these things just not
> > getting coverage? or is our air superiority just persuading the
> > opposition not to take off?
>
> The latter, I suspect.
>
> The thing about ground troops is that although you can bomb them for
> ages from the air, you still have to mop them up on foot ... Iraq
> represents an ideal terrain for airborne operations, yet we'd still have
> to send ground troops in to finish the job, so why bother flying
> operations at all if you;re the Iraqis?
>
Good Point Well Made, but then why aren't we bombing their
runways/aircraft shelters/aircraft? I'd have thought we'd be sorting them
out along with everything else...
<Paging Dodger>
Bear
wibbled ...
> Good Point Well Made, but then why aren't we bombing their
> runways/aircraft shelters/aircraft? I'd have thought we'd be sorting them
> out along with everything else...
Because there is no point in them flying aerial missions; they know any
plane I dead almost as soon as it lifts, so why bother?
Wizard
dont...@thecow.me.uk says...
Good point, but JP233s etc are for the smooth concrete runways needed for
fast jets, whereas Herculeseseses can land on much shorter and rougher
strips.
Salad Dodger
<WorkaholicUNDERSCOREw...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>This time round, I haven't seen or heard much about attacks on airfields,
>or the Iraqui Air force doing very much at all. Are these things just not
>getting coverage? or is our air superiority just persuading the
>opposition not to take off?
'scos the Iraqi Air Force fecked off to Iran in 1991, and the Iranians
refused to give them the planes back afterwards.
steve auvache
>In article <+2it3pBs...@auvache.force9.co.uk>,
>dont...@thecow.me.uk says...
>> Wizard wrote
>> >This time round, I haven't seen or heard much about attacks on airfields,
>> >or the Iraqui Air force doing very much at all. Are these things just not
>> >getting coverage? or is our air superiority just persuading the
>> >opposition not to take off?
>>
>> The US need the airfields open so that they can resupply their forward
>> positions in relative safety?
>>
>>
>
>Good point, but JP233s etc are for the smooth concrete runways needed for
>fast jets, whereas Herculeseseses can land on much shorter and rougher
>strips.
I wouldn't have a clue but as far as I can make out the merkins are
doing this thing carefully and trying very hard not to do any damage
over and above that required to defeat the Iraqi military.
I suspect though that the size of the eventual bill for repairs to the
Iraqi civilian infrastructure may have an influence on their strategic
thinking.
--
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Wizard
dont...@thecow.me.uk says...
>
> I wouldn't have a clue but as far as I can make out the merkins are
> doing this thing carefully and trying very hard not to do any damage
> over and above that required to defeat the Iraqi military.
>
> I suspect though that the size of the eventual bill for repairs to the
> Iraqi civilian infrastructure may have an influence on their strategic
> thinking.
>
Good point. No sense in smashing up airfields, alienating 'hearts and
minds', and ringing up a big repair bill, if all the dangerous Iraqui a/c
are stuck in Iran anyway.
Ben Blaney
>As Champ will attest, a long trip on the Wing is almost impossible to
>endure whilst awake.
Did you crash a lot doing the RBR, then?
--
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The Older Gentleman
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 01:05:53 -0000, Bear
> <bastardUND...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <l4v18vc8gd0ld0tin...@4ax.com>, Salad Dodger
> >wibbled ...
> >
> >> >Interesting that they don't seem to come under the international "mine
> >> >ban" eh?
> >>
> >> The JP.233 submunitions were later banned under the Ottawa Protocol
> >> that bans the use of landmines.
> >
> >Cool.
> >
> >So they can't be deployed and have all been destroyed then?
>
> No.
>
> We sold them to some dodgy bloke.
>
> Middle Eastern in appearance, dodgy 'tache.
Auvache? Lozzo?
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Salad Dodger
wrote:
>Salad Dodger wrote:
>
>>As Champ will attest, a long trip on the Wing is almost impossible to
>>endure whilst awake.
>
>Did you crash a lot doing the RBR, then?
There weren't any long trips on that. I only did 700 miles in a day
once.
Ace
>On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:16:09 +0000, Stan Stannard <st...@ukrm.net>
>wrote:
>
>>>Having stood back and admired the results I hereby decree that the ZZR
>>>shall henceforth be known as 'The Imperial Barge'.
>>
>>Funny, fully bagged up mine brought to mind a Tornado with the big
>>drop tanks on, and a brace of JP233 underneath....
>
>Sorry mate, don't understand your lingo
306b, and it's 'banter', not 'lingo'.
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darsy
>Sorry mate, don't understand your lingo
if you're going to make a 306b, at least get it right...
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Simian
> In article <MPG.18eb10397...@news.btinternet.com>, Wizard
> wibbled ...
>
>> Good Point Well Made, but then why aren't we bombing their
>> runways/aircraft shelters/aircraft? I'd have thought we'd be sorting them
>> out along with everything else...
>
> Because there is no point in them flying aerial missions; they know any
> plane I dead almost as soon as it lifts, so why bother?
Heh, looking forward to your operation then?
mups
spam&salad....@dsl.pipex.com says...
<SNIP>
> >You don't fancy swapping the rack for a suitable number of beer tokens by
> >any chance?
>
> Certainly.
>
> You going to the BOSM?
>
Cant make it to the BOSM unfortunately due to another pre-arranged
pissup.
Meet somewhere in London?
> There's also a rocker cover gasket, and a Clymer manual if you're
> interested. I'll have a rummage round the garage this weekend.
>
>
The gasket would be good if only to remind me that I *must* do the
valves on it.
How much do you want for them BTW.
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Eddie
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:58:05 +0000, Champ <uk...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>Sorry mate, don't understand your lingo
>
> 306b, and it's 'banter', not 'lingo'.
Monty Python Pedant Services
Despite popular misconceptions, the phrase "Sorry mate, don't understand
your [lingo|banter]" does not appear in any sketch performed by Monty
Python's Flying Circuseses.
The closest facsimile to the aforementioned expression would be "Sorry
old man, we don't understand your banter."
Therefore, we humbly suggest that the 306b above is not actually a 306b,
but more a pseudo-306b, in that it attempts to allude to the actual
phrase in question whilst not being an exact repitition.
In conclusion: "cabbage crates coming over the briny".
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Ben Blaney
>On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:27:26 +0000, Ben Blaney <benb...@ukrm.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Salad Dodger wrote:
>>
>>>As Champ will attest, a long trip on the Wing is almost impossible to
>>>endure whilst awake.
>>
>>Did you crash a lot doing the RBR, then?
>
>There weren't any long trips on that. I only did 700 miles in a day
>once.
Noted.
Bear
> > Because there is no point in them flying aerial missions; they know any
> > plane I dead almost as soon as it lifts, so why bother?
> ^^^^^^
>
> Heh, looking forward to your operation then?
heh
Yeah I'm cool with it now ... just packing and then I'm orf ...
Many thanks to all those who called/SMS with offers of help.
Ace
>
>In conclusion: "cabbage crates coming over the briny".
Five shillings a dozen? That's ordinary cabbages, is it?
Kraggash
>Kraggash <mungmone...@ntlworld.com> wrote in
>news:5mi18vg1efmvrdp90...@4ax.com:
>
>> However nonfango is cheaper and isn
>> some cases (no pun intended) actually looks better on the bike as it
>> is shaped. BTW I bought my kit from Chris des Clayes <waves> whoa
>> helped me fit it (I held the spanners) without his help I would have
>> been knackered 'cos it's a bugger to fit!
>
>ah, that's summat I did not mention - I've fitted GIVI stuff to 4 bikes. On
>each occasion the instructions were clear and everything lined up correctly
To be fair to nonfango, there were no instructions at this point, so I
cannot testify as to the calrity of them!
--
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Infamy, infamy .......
Eddie
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:33:51 +0000, Eddie <ed...@deguello.org> wrote:
>
>>In conclusion: "cabbage crates coming over the briny".
>
> Five shillings a dozen? That's ordinary cabbages, is it?
Ah, and there we have it. A genuine 306b.
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had the irrepressible urge to announce to the world:
>Kraggash <mungmone...@ntlworld.com> wrote in
>news:5mi18vg1efmvrdp90...@4ax.com:
>
>> However nonfango is cheaper and isn
>> some cases (no pun intended) actually looks better on the bike as it
>> is shaped. BTW I bought my kit from Chris des Clayes <waves> whoa
>> helped me fit it (I held the spanners) without his help I would have
>> been knackered 'cos it's a bugger to fit!
>
>ah, that's summat I did not mention - I've fitted GIVI stuff to 4 bikes. On
>each occasion the instructions were clear and everything lined up correctly
>
Seconded. I fitted a Givi Wingrack to the VFR. It was easy. If I were
doing it again I'd make sure I used Loctite on all the bolts as one or
two dropped out over the next few weeks. Seconded also the comments
about the sturdiness of the Givi kit. BUT .. I find the handles on the
boxes less than ergonomic.
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Salad Dodger
wrote:
>In article <kld18voao02h6rcj6...@4ax.com>, Salad Dodger
>spam&salad....@dsl.pipex.com says...
><SNIP>
>> >You don't fancy swapping the rack for a suitable number of beer tokens by
>> >any chance?
>>
>> Certainly.
>Meet somewhere in London?
Weggy's 'sposed to be organising a City beer soon(ish).
>
>> There's also a rocker cover gasket, and a Clymer manual if you're
>> interested. I'll have a rummage round the garage this weekend.
>
>The gasket would be good if only to remind me that I *must* do the
>valves on it.
>
>How much do you want for them BTW.
Gawd knows.
Wait until I see what I've got, and what nick it's in.
Lozzo
> Salad Dodger <spam&salad....@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> > We sold them to some dodgy bloke.
> >
> > Middle Eastern in appearance, dodgy 'tache.
>
> Auvache? Lozzo?
I checked in my toolbox, no sign of them. Someone must have nicked them
at Pixiefest.
Now who was it who slept in the garage?
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> The Older Gentleman fascinated us all by saying...
>> Salad Dodger <spam&salad....@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>> > We sold them to some dodgy bloke.
>> >
>> > Middle Eastern in appearance, dodgy 'tache.
>>
>> Auvache? Lozzo?
>
>I checked in my toolbox, no sign of them. Someone must have nicked them
>at Pixiefest.
>
>Now who was it who slept in the garage?
I could easily have slept in a garage but if I did it wasn't that one at
that time. I am innocent so it must be some other dodgy 'tached dark
haired (once in my yoof) extraordinarily handsome if slightly damaged
bloke.
--
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