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Pip

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May 31, 2012, 5:38:23 PM5/31/12
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At Halfords, of all places.

Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.

Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill your
frames).

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Pip: Keeper of the Cable Ties
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Percy Flage

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May 31, 2012, 6:05:17 PM5/31/12
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On 31/05/2012 23:00, SteveH wrote:
> Pip<ginge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> At Halfords, of all places.
>>
>> Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
>>
>> Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill your
>> frames).
>
> Not quite as cheap as Heinz Gherkin:
>
> http://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/diamond-deals.html?limit=72
>
> 16 quid for 4 litres.

Yes, but it's HG. They're not going to have my size.

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"Life is too short to have to explain everyday."

Pip

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May 31, 2012, 6:08:48 PM5/31/12
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In article <1kkzeid.1a5wcs5jth51nN%itali...@gmail.com>, SteveH says...
>
> Pip <ginge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At Halfords, of all places.
> >
> > Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
> >
> > Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill your
> > frames).
>
> Not quite as cheap as Heinz Gherkin:
>
> http://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/diamond-deals.html?limit=72
>
> 16 quid for 4 litres.

Hmm. 10W-50. What's that recommended for?

ogden

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May 31, 2012, 6:17:23 PM5/31/12
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On Thu, 31 May 2012 23:08:48 +0100, Pip <ginge...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm. 10W-50. What's that recommended for?

KTM and Aprilia twins, probably others too.

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Andy Burns

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May 31, 2012, 6:21:06 PM5/31/12
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Pip wrote:

> In article<1kkzeid.1a5wcs5jth51nN%itali...@gmail.com>, SteveH says...
>
>> http://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/diamond-deals.html?limit=72
>> 16 quid for 4 litres.
>
> Hmm. 10W-50. What's that recommended for?

Absolutely nothing! Say it again y'all ...

wessie

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May 31, 2012, 7:33:32 PM5/31/12
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itali...@gmail.com (SteveH) wrote in news:1kkzeid.1a5wcs5jth51nN%
itali...@gmail.com:

> Pip <ginge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> At Halfords, of all places.
>>
>> Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
>>
>> Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill your
>> frames).
>
> Not quite as cheap as Heinz Gherkin:
>
> http://www.hein-gericke.co.uk/diamond-deals.html?limit=72
>
> 16 quid for 4 litres.
>

I bought 4l of the semi synth 10w/40 for £17 as it is the right spec for
the S10. Currently on sale for £10. Fuckers. Plus the bike has resolutely
refused to consume any oil in 3 months, fucking Jap crap.

Thomas

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May 31, 2012, 8:12:16 PM5/31/12
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Huh!

The Older Gentleman

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Jun 1, 2012, 2:26:52 AM6/1/12
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Pip <ginge...@gmail.com> wrote:

> At Halfords, of all places.
>
> Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
>
> Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill your
> frames).

Asda is doing semi-synth 10/40 for £8 right now. Amazing.


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Greybeard

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Jun 1, 2012, 2:45:09 AM6/1/12
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In article <MPG.2a31f51...@news.eternal-september.org>,
ginge...@gmail.com says...
>
> At Halfords, of all places.
>
> Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
>
> Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill your
> frames).

I was under the impression that Magnatec oils were only Semi-Synth?

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2010 ElectraGlide Ultra, 2011 Sprint 1050 GT

Pip

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Jun 1, 2012, 3:50:30 AM6/1/12
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In article <MPG.2a32754c4...@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
Greybeard says...
>
> In article <MPG.2a31f51...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> ginge...@gmail.com says...
> >
> > At Halfords, of all places.
> >
> > Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
> >
> > Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill your
> > frames).
>
> I was under the impression that Magnatec oils were only Semi-Synth?

Some are "part synthetic", some are fully synth. I wouldn't have
mentioned it had they been semi-synth, as there's plenty of deals around
on that - as evidenced by the several posts above.

This one seemed to be cheap for fully synth, though.

YTC#1

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Jun 1, 2012, 5:35:03 AM6/1/12
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On 05/31/12 10:38 PM, Pip wrote:
> At Halfords, of all places.
>
> Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
>
> Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill your
> frames).
>

Does it meet the JASO-MA spec for motorcycles ? If not, I'd leave it
alone. (Unless you need it for a car)


--
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steve robinson

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Jun 1, 2012, 6:04:29 AM6/1/12
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YTC#1 wrote:

> On 05/31/12 10:38 PM, Pip wrote:
> > At Halfords, of all places.
> >
> > Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
> >
> > Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill
> > your frames).
> >
>
> Does it meet the JASO-MA spec for motorcycles ? If not, I'd leave it
> alone. (Unless you need it for a car)

Halfords castrol MC oil 29.99 semi sythn

YTC#1

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Jun 1, 2012, 6:08:40 AM6/1/12
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So that was a no then.

Mark Olson

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Jun 1, 2012, 6:27:45 AM6/1/12
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On 6/1/2012 5:08 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 06/ 1/12 11:04 AM, steve robinson wrote:
>> YTC#1 wrote:

>>> Does it meet the JASO-MA spec for motorcycles ? If not, I'd leave it
>>> alone. (Unless you need it for a car)
>>
>> Halfords castrol MC oil 29.99 semi sythn
>
> So that was a no then.

Eh?

Part Synthetic, Power 1 4T 10W-30, -40 , -50 all meet API SJ and JASO-MA2.

http://www.castrolmoto.com/en/our_oils/4t_oils_table.php

ogden

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Jun 1, 2012, 7:12:33 AM6/1/12
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That's all very nice, but the subject line says "fully synthetic", and
you've just quoted "part synthetic".

I'm no professor of English Language but I play a great game of spot-
the-difference.

--
ogden / GSXR1000 / 990SMT

"Some of the gear, most of the time"

steve robinson

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Jun 1, 2012, 7:28:22 AM6/1/12
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The fully synth was 34.00 as of last saturday

JB

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Jun 1, 2012, 7:36:52 AM6/1/12
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"YTC#1" <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in message
news:jqa2c7$epd$1...@dont-email.me...
> On 05/31/12 10:38 PM, Pip wrote:
>> At Halfords, of all places.
>>
>> Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
>>
>> Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill your
>> frames).
>>
>
> Does it meet the JASO-MA spec for motorcycles ? If not, I'd leave it
> alone. (Unless you need it for a car)
>
Or a Guzzi ;>). We love car oil.

JB


TW

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Jun 1, 2012, 9:13:56 AM6/1/12
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In article <MPG.2a31fc4...@news.eternal-september.org>,
ginge...@gmail.com says...
BMW Boxer 1200s, these days too (although many suspect it's just a
stitch up between BMW and Castrol and use boggo 20W-50 as always)

'Hog

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Jun 1, 2012, 9:16:04 AM6/1/12
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Fuckit. Throw the cheapest 20W50 or 10W40 into everything, change it
regularly and don't keep anything for long (the Nige strategy)

--
Hog

Remember the 4 "F" rule:
If you're not Fucking me, Feeding me or Financing me
...your opinions really don't matter, so you can Fuck off


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c...@nospam.netunix.com

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Jun 1, 2012, 9:26:46 AM6/1/12
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'Hog <sm91...@chipshotmail.couk> wrote:
>
> Fuckit. Throw the cheapest 20W50 or 10W40 into everything, change it
> regularly and don't keep anything for long (the Nige strategy)

Lidl 15W40 is good stuff and suitable for most petrol engines.
Renault, OTOH, specify an expensive synth for their turbo diesel vans,
for 20k service intervals. The book lists an assortment of other oils
which can be used but must be changed every 3000 miles.
Cnuts.

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75 Suzuki GT750 Kettle
81 Suzuki GT200 X5
++May contain nuts.++

YTC#1

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Jun 1, 2012, 9:30:26 AM6/1/12
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I wasn't asking about the Castrol, I was asking about the Magnetec.

Steve chose to answer the question by supplying the name of another
brand of oil.

Not what I was asking.

YTC#1

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Jun 1, 2012, 9:31:35 AM6/1/12
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So it may have been, *but* is the Magnetec JASO-MA compliant ? It was a
simple question.

YTC#1

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Jun 1, 2012, 9:32:26 AM6/1/12
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I thought it was Harleys that were tractors ?

Mark Olson

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Jun 1, 2012, 9:34:37 AM6/1/12
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Yes. I. Know. Topics do drift from time to time.

Both fully synth and semi-synth oils had previously been discussed in
the thread by SteveH and TOG. When YTC#1 asked if one of the oils
mentioned met JASO-MA, Mr. Robinson jumped in with Halford's Castrol
Power 1 4T (a semi-synth that does meet JASO-MA). At that point YTC#1
appeared to move the goalposts back to considering fully synth only.

FFS.




YTC#1

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Jun 1, 2012, 9:59:21 AM6/1/12
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On 06/ 1/12 02:34 PM, Mark Olson wrote:
> On 06/01/2012 06:12 AM, ogden wrote:
>> Mark Olson wrote:
>>>
>>> On 6/1/2012 5:08 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>>> > On 06/ 1/12 11:04 AM, steve robinson wrote:
>>> >> YTC#1 wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> Does it meet the JASO-MA spec for motorcycles ? If not, I'd leave it
>>> >>> alone. (Unless you need it for a car)
>>> >>
>>> >> Halfords castrol MC oil 29.99 semi sythn
>>> >
>>> > So that was a no then.
>>>
>>> Eh?
>>>
>>> Part Synthetic, Power 1 4T 10W-30, -40 , -50 all meet API SJ and
>>> JASO-MA2.
>>>
>>> http://www.castrolmoto.com/en/our_oils/4t_oils_table.php
>>
>> That's all very nice, but the subject line says "fully synthetic", and
>> you've just quoted "part synthetic".
>>
>> I'm no professor of English Language but I play a great game of spot-
>> the-difference.
>
> Yes. I. Know. Topics do drift from time to time.
>
> Both fully synth and semi-synth oils had previously been discussed in
> the thread by SteveH and TOG. When YTC#1 asked if one of the oils

Err, no, I asked if the Magnetec, the one in the OP, was JASO-MA

> mentioned met JASO-MA, Mr. Robinson jumped in with Halford's Castrol
> Power 1 4T (a semi-synth that does meet JASO-MA). At that point YTC#1
> appeared to move the goalposts back to considering fully synth only.

Err, no, I was keeping with the thread topic, *I* did not move the
goalposts.

>
> FFS.

Yes, I agree, FFS.

Ace

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Jun 1, 2012, 10:00:37 AM6/1/12
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:32:26 +0100, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 06/ 1/12 12:36 PM, JB wrote:

>> Or a Guzzi ;>). We love car oil.
>
>I thought it was Harleys that were tractors ?

http://www.ozebook.com/guzzi/3x3.htm

Mark Olson

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Jun 1, 2012, 10:13:54 AM6/1/12
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On 06/01/2012 08:59 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 06/ 1/12 02:34 PM, Mark Olson wrote:

>> Both fully synth and semi-synth oils had previously been discussed in
>> the thread by SteveH and TOG. When YTC#1 asked if one of the oils
>
> Err, no, I asked if the Magnetec, the one in the OP, was JASO-MA

Apparently it doesn't, being a car oil after all.

Not that Magnetec being sold as a car oil would stop me from
considering it (assuming it doesn't have friction modifiers in the
thicker grades). Shell Rotella 15W-40 (conventional) didn't used to
meet JASO-MA, because it failed one particular test (ash residue,
IIRC) by a very small amount. Of course it was never intended to be
_marketed_ as a motorcycle oil, but it was/is a very high quality
oil perfect for M/C use. Shell adjusted their formula slightly and
had it retested to JASO spec, and now it is so marked.


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YTC#1

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Jun 1, 2012, 10:46:48 AM6/1/12
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On 06/ 1/12 03:13 PM, Mark Olson wrote:
> On 06/01/2012 08:59 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 06/ 1/12 02:34 PM, Mark Olson wrote:
>
>>> Both fully synth and semi-synth oils had previously been discussed in
>>> the thread by SteveH and TOG. When YTC#1 asked if one of the oils
>>
>> Err, no, I asked if the Magnetec, the one in the OP, was JASO-MA
>
> Apparently it doesn't, being a car oil after all.

That is why I asked :-)

I went through all this the other year while on the road

>
> Not that Magnetec being sold as a car oil would stop me from
> considering it (assuming it doesn't have friction modifiers in the
> thicker grades). Shell Rotella 15W-40 (conventional) didn't used to
> meet JASO-MA, because it failed one particular test (ash residue,
> IIRC) by a very small amount. Of course it was never intended to be
> _marketed_ as a motorcycle oil, but it was/is a very high quality
> oil perfect for M/C use. Shell adjusted their formula slightly and
> had it retested to JASO spec, and now it is so marked.

It depends on where you think you may be when your decision will bite
back :-)

Mark Olson

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Jun 1, 2012, 10:57:23 AM6/1/12
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On 06/01/2012 09:46 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 06/ 1/12 03:13 PM, Mark Olson wrote:

>> Not that Magnetec being sold as a car oil would stop me from
>> considering it (assuming it doesn't have friction modifiers in the
>> thicker grades). Shell Rotella 15W-40 (conventional) didn't used to
>> meet JASO-MA, because it failed one particular test (ash residue,
>> IIRC) by a very small amount. Of course it was never intended to be
>> _marketed_ as a motorcycle oil, but it was/is a very high quality
>> oil perfect for M/C use. Shell adjusted their formula slightly and
>> had it retested to JASO spec, and now it is so marked.
>
> It depends on where you think you may be when your decision will bite
> back :-)

For some years, I have been using diesel truck fleet oils such as
Shell Rotella 15W-40, Chevron Delo 400 15W-40, Mobil Delvac 1300
15W-40, etc. in my bikes with good results. Since Rotella achieved
JASO-MA certification, and it still is quite inexpensive, it is now my
default choice. However, due to the high revving nature of my wife's
EX250, and the fact that it doesn't get many miles put on it, I have
decided to use Mobil 1 4T Racing 10W-40 in it, at about 4x the cost
per liter of Rotella 15W-40.

But the EX250 only takes 1.9l per change so it's not a lot of money
no matter what oil I use.



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c...@nospam.netunix.com

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Jun 1, 2012, 11:47:43 AM6/1/12
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SteveH <itali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
>
> > Lidl 15W40 is good stuff and suitable for most petrol engines.
>
> See my post about the MX5 and clattering tappets.
>
> I'm now much more fussy and wouldn't touch Lidl oil with one of your
> bikes.

WTF has Lidl got to do with Wilkinsons ?.
Totally different animal.

'Hog

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Jun 1, 2012, 12:06:45 PM6/1/12
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boots wrote:

> T140v

<snigger>

YTC#1

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Jun 1, 2012, 12:38:35 PM6/1/12
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On 06/ 1/12 03:57 PM, Mark Olson wrote:
> On 06/01/2012 09:46 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 06/ 1/12 03:13 PM, Mark Olson wrote:
>
>>> Not that Magnetec being sold as a car oil would stop me from
>>> considering it (assuming it doesn't have friction modifiers in the
>>> thicker grades). Shell Rotella 15W-40 (conventional) didn't used to
>>> meet JASO-MA, because it failed one particular test (ash residue,
>>> IIRC) by a very small amount. Of course it was never intended to be
>>> _marketed_ as a motorcycle oil, but it was/is a very high quality
>>> oil perfect for M/C use. Shell adjusted their formula slightly and
>>> had it retested to JASO spec, and now it is so marked.
>>
>> It depends on where you think you may be when your decision will bite
>> back :-)
>
> For some years, I have been using diesel truck fleet oils such as
> Shell Rotella 15W-40, Chevron Delo 400 15W-40, Mobil Delvac 1300
> 15W-40, etc. in my bikes with good results. Since Rotella achieved
> JASO-MA certification, and it still is quite inexpensive, it is now my

That's good to know

YTC#1

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Jun 1, 2012, 12:39:18 PM6/1/12
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On 06/ 1/12 04:47 PM, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
> SteveH<itali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lidl 15W40 is good stuff and suitable for most petrol engines.
>>
>> See my post about the MX5 and clattering tappets.
>>
>> I'm now much more fussy and wouldn't touch Lidl oil with one of your
>> bikes.
>
> WTF has Lidl got to do with Wilkinsons ?.
> Totally different animal.
>

It's one of those threads
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wessie

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Jun 1, 2012, 2:29:06 PM6/1/12
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"JB" <n...@spam.net> wrote in news:jqa9ht$mj6$1...@dont-email.me:
or a BMW or Ducati model with a dry clutch

wessie

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Jun 1, 2012, 2:31:51 PM6/1/12
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TW <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
news:MPG.2a32cf10e...@news.cisco.com:

> BMW Boxer 1200s, these days too (although many suspect it's just a
> stitch up between BMW and Castrol and use boggo 20W-50 as always)
>
>

Suspect?

In the 10 years I owned my R1150GS BMW changed the recommended oil to
"something only Castrol make" about 4 times.

My bike had 20W/50 Valvoline put in at service time by my independent chap
and was occasionally topped up with the 10W/40 Magnatec.

wessie

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Jun 1, 2012, 2:37:54 PM6/1/12
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Greybeard <n...@here.com> wrote in
news:MPG.2a32754c4...@reader80.eternal-september.org:

> In article <MPG.2a31f51...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> ginge...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> At Halfords, of all places.
>>
>> Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
>>
>> Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill your
>> frames).
>
> I was under the impression that Magnatec oils were only Semi-Synth?
>

I thought that too, but they obviously changed the blend. As the mineral
oil base stock rises in price I guess we may go more towards synthetic
esters for cheaper oils which can be made from other oil source, such as
rapeseed or animal fat.

^..^ Lone Wolf

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"boots" <bo...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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Wotcha.

> Many moons ago I tried Duckhams in my then T140v after around 50 miles
> the oil pressure light cam on and the oil was smoking hot. let it cool
> went home and went back to GTX.

Duckhams has been the death of a few old Brit bikes.
We reckoned it was the extra detergent content loosening the shite in the
sludge traps, which then happily found its way around the rest of the
engine. . . . having said that, I used Duckhams once ( and that was under
protest 'cos there was nowt else ) in an AJS 18C competition engine with
roller bearing big end thinking it would be ok. Big end locked solid within
thirty miles........the curse of Duckhams had struck again.


--
--
^..^ Lone Wolf
www.moonshiners.org.uk


ogden

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Jun 1, 2012, 2:52:42 PM6/1/12
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Or, indeed, castor beans.

Woo, futorology.

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"Some of the gear, most of the time"

Greybeard

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Jun 1, 2012, 3:07:44 PM6/1/12
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In article <MPG.2a32849...@news.eternal-september.org>,
ginge...@gmail.com says...
>
> In article <MPG.2a32754c4...@reader80.eternal-september.org>,
> Greybeard says...
> >
> > In article <MPG.2a31f51...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > ginge...@gmail.com says...
> > >
> > > At Halfords, of all places.
> > >
> > > Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
> > >
> > > Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill your
> > > frames).
> >
> > I was under the impression that Magnatec oils were only Semi-Synth?
>
> Some are "part synthetic", some are fully synth. I wouldn't have
> mentioned it had they been semi-synth, as there's plenty of deals around
> on that - as evidenced by the several posts above.
>
> This one seemed to be cheap for fully synth, though.

Right, nice to know as I like Magnatec oil.
I'll read the labels next time.

--
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2010 ElectraGlide Ultra, 2011 Sprint 1050 GT

YTC#1

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Jun 1, 2012, 6:01:12 PM6/1/12
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On 06/ 1/12 05:41 PM, Krusty wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> On 06/ 1/12 04:47 PM, c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
>>> SteveH<itali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lidl 15W40 is good stuff and suitable for most petrol engines.
>>>>
>>>> See my post about the MX5 and clattering tappets.
>>>>
>>>> I'm now much more fussy and wouldn't touch Lidl oil with one of
>>>> your bikes.
>>>
>>> WTF has Lidl got to do with Wilkinsons ?.
>>> Totally different animal.
>>>
>>
>> It's one of those threads
>
> Frankly, it's bizarre.
>

Bizarrely, its frank
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zymurgy

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Jun 1, 2012, 6:26:51 PM6/1/12
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On Jun 1, 2:18 pm, italian...@gmail.com (SteveH) wrote:
> The Older Gentleman <totallydeadmail...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Pip <gingerbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
>
> > Asda is doing semi-synth 10/40 for £8 right now. Amazing.
>
> I used to be of the school of thought that 'oil is oil, so long as it's
> largely the right spec., it'll be fine'.
>
> However, I put some Wilkinson's own-brand 10/40 semi-synth in my MX5
> just before a track day. After a dozen laps, the hydraulic tappets were
> rattling like hell and the oil was piss-thin.

If you want to see piss thin, try some full synth 0W-30.

Paul.

zymurgy

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Jun 1, 2012, 6:28:57 PM6/1/12
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On Jun 1, 10:35 am, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
> On 05/31/12 10:38 PM, Pip wrote:
>
> > At Halfords, of all places.
>
> > Magnatec in various viscosities, all at £17.50 for four litres.
>
> > Fill your boots, fill your sumps (or for the flash bastards, fill your frames).
>
> Does it meet the JASO-MA spec for motorcycles ? If not, I'd leave it alone.

And so starts the motorcycle oil Jihad ...

Paul.
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zymurgy

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Jun 1, 2012, 6:32:49 PM6/1/12
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On Jun 1, 7:04 pm, italian...@gmail.com (SteveH) wrote:
> <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
> > SteveH <italian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > <c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Lidl 15W40 is good stuff and suitable for most petrol engines.
>
> > > See my post about the MX5 and clattering tappets.
>
> > > I'm now much more fussy and wouldn't touch Lidl oil with one of your bikes.
>
> > WTF has Lidl got to do with Wilkinsons ?.
> > Totally different animal.
>
> Cheap shit 'supermarket grade' oil.

I've run a diesel turbo clio on supermarket diesel oil for over 100k
miles.

If the specs say it is so, it is so. Read the small print ...

Paul.

steve robinson

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Jun 1, 2012, 7:35:59 PM6/1/12
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Mobile 0w 40

Grimly Curmudgeon

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Jun 2, 2012, 7:35:00 AM6/2/12
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:26:46 +0000 (UTC), c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:

>Lidl 15W40 is good stuff and suitable for most petrol engines.
>Renault, OTOH, specify an expensive synth for their turbo diesel vans,
>for 20k service intervals. The book lists an assortment of other oils
>which can be used but must be changed every 3000 miles.
>Cnuts.

As you would expect for an oil with a long drop interval.
I don't trust long drop oils anyway - not so much for the loss of
lubricity, but the heavy loading of soot and shit over 20K. I prefer
to change at 6K for cars/vans, 3K for m'cycles.

Grimly Curmudgeon

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Jun 2, 2012, 7:38:32 AM6/2/12
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:04:21 +0100, itali...@gmail.com (SteveH)
wrote:

>Cheap shit 'supermarket grade' oil.

Certainly, it's the case that some supermarket/ownbrand oil is
actually recycled base stock and fresh additives put in.
For the most part, an older engine won't mind cheap oil, as long as
it's up to some half-decent spec and not thrashed.
Quite how you expected a cheapy oil to put up with trackday use is
beyond me - it's a world away from normal driving, unless you're a
cunt.

Grimly Curmudgeon

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Jun 2, 2012, 7:41:54 AM6/2/12
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:57:23 -0500, Mark Olson <ols...@tiny.invalid>
wrote:

>For some years, I have been using diesel truck fleet oils such as
>Shell Rotella 15W-40, Chevron Delo 400 15W-40, Mobil Delvac 1300
>15W-40, etc. in my bikes with good results.

Ding.
Cheapest way to buy oil, from my experience, is to purchase a decent
sized drum of plant/contractor oil of good make. Rotella has been
around for decades and has a bloody good track record, especially in
hard-working machines driven into the ground by unsympathetic
site-jockeys.

steve robinson

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Jun 2, 2012, 7:46:19 AM6/2/12
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15W-40 is great in the summer, but it doesn't meet the spec for winter
driving on many of the newer desiel vehicles , wether this is a
manufacturers ploy or not i will leave others to decide

Mark Olson

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Jun 2, 2012, 9:20:39 AM6/2/12
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1) The 15W-40 oils (sold for diesel fleet service) I described are
meant primarily for HGVs/artics.

2) The owner's manual for my FJR tells me 15W-40 is OK to use at
temperatures as low as 0° C. I do very little riding at below
freezing temperatures.

3) Whether 15W-40 oils are inappropriate for other vehicles in winter
driving has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on using it in my bike.

Why did you even mention it?

zymurgy

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Jun 2, 2012, 9:25:23 AM6/2/12
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On Jun 2, 12:35 pm, Grimly Curmudgeon <grim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:26:46 +0000 (UTC), c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
> >Lidl 15W40 is good stuff and suitable for most petrol engines.
> >Renault, OTOH, specify an expensive synth for their turbo diesel vans,
> >for 20k service intervals.
>
> As you would expect for an oil with a long drop interval.
> I don't trust long drop oils anyway - not so much for the loss of
> lubricity, but the heavy loading of soot and shit over 20K. I prefer
> to change at 6K for cars/vans, 3K for m'cycles.

3k - you must be minted.

I change mine when it looks manky or when it affects the gearchange.
This can be between 3 or 6k miles, depending on use.

Mr Honda seems to think his vehicles can cope with a 6K service
interval, so I mostly stick with that.

Paul.
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zymurgy

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On Jun 2, 2:27 pm, boots <bo...@despammed.com> wrote:
> My car is a year/20K miles and that's what it gets, apart from a flush
> through at 1K after the submarine incident.

Actually, I've just checked. It's the Tiger that's a 6K interval. The
Bird is a 4K service interval. Do I dare exceed it :-)

Since it had the best semi-synth in it last time during the 8K service
I think i'll play it by ear ...

Paul.
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steve robinson

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Jun 2, 2012, 9:52:42 AM6/2/12
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Mark Olson wrote:

> On 6/2/2012 6:46 AM, steve robinson wrote:
> > Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:57:23 -0500, Mark
> > > Olson<ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > For some years, I have been using diesel truck fleet oils such
> > > > as Shell Rotella 15W-40, Chevron Delo 400 15W-40, Mobil Delvac
> > > > 1300 15W-40, etc. in my bikes with good results.
> > >
> > > Ding.
> > > Cheapest way to buy oil, from my experience, is to purchase a
> > > decent sized drum of plant/contractor oil of good make. Rotella
> > > has been around for decades and has a bloody good track record,
> > > especially in hard-working machines driven into the ground by
> > > unsympathetic site-jockeys.
> >
> > 15W-40 is great in the summer, but it doesn't meet the spec for
> > winter driving on many of the newer desiel vehicles , wether this
> > is a manufacturers ploy or not i will leave others to decide
>
> 1) The 15W-40 oils (sold for diesel fleet service) I described are
> meant primarily for HGVs/artics.
But your using them in your bike

Mark Olson

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Jun 2, 2012, 10:57:28 AM6/2/12
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steve robinson wrote:
> Mark Olson wrote:
>
>> On 6/2/2012 6:46 AM, steve robinson wrote:
>>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:57:23 -0500, Mark
>>>> Olson<ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For some years, I have been using diesel truck fleet oils such
>>>>> as Shell Rotella 15W-40, Chevron Delo 400 15W-40, Mobil Delvac
>>>>> 1300 15W-40, etc. in my bikes with good results.
>>>> Ding.
>>>> Cheapest way to buy oil, from my experience, is to purchase a
>>>> decent sized drum of plant/contractor oil of good make. Rotella
>>>> has been around for decades and has a bloody good track record,
>>>> especially in hard-working machines driven into the ground by
>>>> unsympathetic site-jockeys.
>>> 15W-40 is great in the summer, but it doesn't meet the spec for
>>> winter driving on many of the newer desiel vehicles , wether this
>>> is a manufacturers ploy or not i will leave others to decide
>> 1) The 15W-40 oils (sold for diesel fleet service) I described are
>> meant primarily for HGVs/artics.
> But your using them in your bike

Yes. In my bike. Not in a car. They meet the bike's oil requirement.
It's irrelevant to me whether they meet the requirements of some car
I don't own, or an HGV / artic that I don't own either. Did you miss
the part where I said Rotella is JASO-MA compliant?
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