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Pete Fisher
championship winning plot is enticing me with offers of a CIHAGM chance
at the Haynes track in February some time (though it's not for sale
unfortunately). That's not a million miles away from you I would guess?
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platypus
> No joy in finding a hill climb outfit yet, but the owner of the NHCA
> championship winning plot is enticing me with offers of a CIHAGM
> chance at the Haynes track in February some time (though it's not for
> sale unfortunately). That's not a million miles away from you I would
> guess?
About 50 miles.
<bounce>
Pete Fisher
<mono...@blueyonder.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
I will enquire whether he has a specific date in mind yet.
Pete Fisher
<Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>No joy in finding a hill climb outfit yet, but the owner of the NHCA
>championship winning plot is enticing me with offers of a CIHAGM chance
>at the Haynes track in February some time (though it's not for sale
>unfortunately). That's not a million miles away from you I would guess?
>
Aha, my bluff may have been called:
170291252721
platypus
> In communiqué <9nItEKT4...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk>, Pete Fisher
> <Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>> No joy in finding a hill climb outfit yet, but the owner of the NHCA
>> championship winning plot is enticing me with offers of a CIHAGM
>> chance at the Haynes track in February some time (though it's not
>> for sale unfortunately). That's not a million miles away from you I
>> would guess?
>
> Aha, my bluff may have been called:
>
> 170291252721
Hmm. I was looking at that the other day. Problem is, if it's already won
stuff, we'll have no excuse.
Pete Fisher
<mono...@blueyonder.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
Pah, my old Husqvarna was used by my mate 'knuckles' to win the 750
championship after I switched to the Nordwest. I'm used to having no
excuse.
The overall package including a trailer is particularly tempting and
time saving. Not sure about the 'TT' spec. for hill climbing. The Welsh
meetings tend not to be on such tight courses as places like Hartland
and Wiscombe. TBF, though, a full on circuit racing Baker F1 outfit
manages to get up them.
The times it put in at Margam etc. last season are certainly very
respectable, so it must be pretty well sorted, or piloted by a nutter (
which is always an option in hill climb circles).
I've asked for some close up photos with the fairings removed. If it
looks tidy and the weather improves a bit I might even take a spin[1]
across the border in the MX5 to have a close look.
[1] Could be a bit too literal at the moment.
Andy Bonwick
<Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In communiqué <9nItEKT4...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk>, Pete Fisher
><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>No joy in finding a hill climb outfit yet, but the owner of the NHCA
>>championship winning plot is enticing me with offers of a CIHAGM chance
>>at the Haynes track in February some time (though it's not for sale
>>unfortunately). That's not a million miles away from you I would guess?
>>
>
>Aha, my bluff may have been called:
>
>170291252721
I saw that a couple of days ago and had to decide that I've got too
many bikes already. Shame really because he's knocking it out with an
aluminium trailer and it could have been good fun.
Pete Fisher
<nos...@bonwick.me.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
If I was to go for it, I wouldn't be able to ride it at every meeting,
and none of those in the summer school holidays. A racing/hill climbing
outfit cooperative could be formed.
steve auvache
<Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> writes
>In communiqué <dub7m4h4ehbt30rdc...@4ax.com>, Andy Bonwick
><nos...@bonwick.me.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:13:14 +0000, Pete Fisher
>><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In communiqué <9nItEKT4...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk>, Pete Fisher
>>><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>>>No joy in finding a hill climb outfit yet, but the owner of the NHCA
>>>>championship winning plot is enticing me with offers of a CIHAGM chance
>>>>at the Haynes track in February some time (though it's not for sale
>>>>unfortunately). That's not a million miles away from you I would guess?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Aha, my bluff may have been called:
>>>
>>>170291252721
>>
>>I saw that a couple of days ago and had to decide that I've got too
>>many bikes already. Shame really because he's knocking it out with an
>>aluminium trailer and it could have been good fun.
>
>If I was to go for it, I wouldn't be able to ride it at every meeting,
>and none of those in the summer school holidays. A racing/hill climbing
>outfit cooperative could be formed.
You know, old fragile bones aside, I would have no qualms at all about
going as unsecured ballast round a wide open track but other than a huge
pile of money there isn't anything on this god's earth would make me do
it up a twisty narrow hill.
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steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features
Pete Fisher
<dont...@thecow.me.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
It's much easier for the monkey to bale out from a 'kneeler' than the
pilot when things go uncontrollably askew and a tree trunk interface
looks otherwise inevitable though.
Andy Bonwick
<Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In communiqué <dub7m4h4ehbt30rdc...@4ax.com>, Andy Bonwick
><nos...@bonwick.me.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 08:13:14 +0000, Pete Fisher
>><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In communiqué <9nItEKT4...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk>, Pete Fisher
>>><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>>>No joy in finding a hill climb outfit yet, but the owner of the NHCA
>>>>championship winning plot is enticing me with offers of a CIHAGM chance
>>>>at the Haynes track in February some time (though it's not for sale
>>>>unfortunately). That's not a million miles away from you I would guess?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Aha, my bluff may have been called:
>>>
>>>170291252721
>>
>>I saw that a couple of days ago and had to decide that I've got too
>>many bikes already. Shame really because he's knocking it out with an
>>aluminium trailer and it could have been good fun.
>
>If I was to go for it, I wouldn't be able to ride it at every meeting,
>and none of those in the summer school holidays. A racing/hill climbing
>outfit cooperative could be formed.
Could you store it? I'll be shot if I add another outfit to the stock
currently residing in our garden but if a sensible agreement could be
reached regarding use and wear/tear then I'd be very interested in
being part of this.
steve auvache
I am sorry the concept of baling out isn't in the game. If there were
trees any closer than the horizon you would get nary an ook from me.
Pete Fisher
Now I have the overspill shed (currently housing a GFR, Nordwest and
Morini), if I really tidy up the garage and squeeze the lad's YZ85 in to
another shed I might even be able to store it in there.
Failing that, certainly room to store it behind locked gates sitting on
its trailer under a car cover of some kind, with luck still with room to
get solos past it.
I should be getting more photos after the weekend (unless someone snaps
it up before then).
I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula based on
hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy factor awarded
by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
Champ
<Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In communiqué <4ff7m4dms7tjvlulj...@4ax.com>, Andy Bonwick
>>>>>170291252721
>>>>
>>>>I saw that a couple of days ago and had to decide that I've got too
>>>>many bikes already. Shame really because he's knocking it out with an
>>>>aluminium trailer and it could have been good fun.
>>>
>>>If I was to go for it, I wouldn't be able to ride it at every meeting,
>>>and none of those in the summer school holidays. A racing/hill climbing
>>>outfit cooperative could be formed.
>>
>>Could you store it? I'll be shot if I add another outfit to the stock
>>currently residing in our garden but if a sensible agreement could be
>>reached regarding use and wear/tear then I'd be very interested in
>>being part of this.
>
>Now I have the overspill shed (currently housing a GFR, Nordwest and
>Morini), if I really tidy up the garage and squeeze the lad's YZ85 in to
>another shed I might even be able to store it in there.
>
>Failing that, certainly room to store it behind locked gates sitting on
>its trailer under a car cover of some kind, with luck still with room to
>get solos past it.
>
>I should be getting more photos after the weekend (unless someone snaps
>it up before then).
>
>I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula based on
>hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy factor awarded
>by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
Crikey. The UKRM sidecar racing team. Fantastic!
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Champ
ZX10R (road), ZX10R (race; breaking), GSX-600(race; for sale), GPz750 turbo (classic)
To email me, neal at my domain should work.
Andy Bonwick
<Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In communiqué <4ff7m4dms7tjvlulj...@4ax.com>, Andy Bonwick
><nos...@bonwick.me.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:45:49 +0000, Pete Fisher
snip>
>>>If I was to go for it, I wouldn't be able to ride it at every meeting,
>>>and none of those in the summer school holidays. A racing/hill climbing
>>>outfit cooperative could be formed.
>>
>>Could you store it? I'll be shot if I add another outfit to the stock
>>currently residing in our garden but if a sensible agreement could be
>>reached regarding use and wear/tear then I'd be very interested in
>>being part of this.
>
>Now I have the overspill shed (currently housing a GFR, Nordwest and
>Morini), if I really tidy up the garage and squeeze the lad's YZ85 in to
>another shed I might even be able to store it in there.
>
>Failing that, certainly room to store it behind locked gates sitting on
>its trailer under a car cover of some kind, with luck still with room to
>get solos past it.
>
>I should be getting more photos after the weekend (unless someone snaps
>it up before then).
>
>I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula based on
>hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy factor awarded
>by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
Go for it. I'm usually very busy through the summer but wouldn't mind
a spot of racing when I'm off and it's not as if it's proper racing is
it?
Andy Bonwick
>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:40:51 +0000, Pete Fisher
><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
snip>
>>I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula based on
>>hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy factor awarded
>>by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
>
>Crikey. The UKRM sidecar racing team. Fantastic!
So you're in then?
Pete Fisher
Note that it is 'TT' spec. with big tank and long platform, so suitably
qualified nutters could theoretically do just that with it.
Pete Fisher
<ne...@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
Does a solo mountain circuit licence qualify you to ride an outfit
round?
platypus
> In communiqué <18h7m4l64flgg3tqo...@4ax.com>, Andy
> Bonwick <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:40:51 +0000, Pete Fisher
>> <Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula
>>> based on hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy
>>> factor awarded by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
>>
>> Go for it. I'm usually very busy through the summer but wouldn't mind
>> a spot of racing when I'm off and it's not as if it's proper racing
>> is it?
>
> Note that it is 'TT' spec. with big tank and long platform, so
> suitably qualified nutters could theoretically do just that with it.
Mmm. What's the tank range?
Champ
<Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In communiqué <8fh7m41hasaf4qpdf...@4ax.com>, Champ
><ne...@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:40:51 +0000, Pete Fisher
>><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula based on
>>>hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy factor awarded
>>>by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
>>
>>Crikey. The UKRM sidecar racing team. Fantastic!
>
>Does a solo mountain circuit licence qualify you to ride an outfit
>round?
The 'mountain licence' does not have a 'solo' or 'sidecar'
designation. It's the main ACU licence that says what you can ride -
the mountain licence says you're qualified enough to ride on the
mountain circuit.
Champ
Curses. Rumbled.
Bear
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:11:47 +0000, Andy Bonwick
> <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:58:52 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:40:51 +0000, Pete Fisher
> >><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >snip>
> >
> >>>I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula based on
> >>>hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy factor awarded
> >>>by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
> >>
> >>Crikey. The UKRM sidecar racing team. Fantastic!
> >
> >So you're in then?
>
> Curses. Rumbled.
Out of interest, as pilot or passenger?
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Saab Aero Sport
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Wicked Uncle Nigel
<ne...@champ.org.uk> typed
>
>The 'mountain licence' does not have a 'solo' or 'sidecar'
>designation. It's the main ACU licence that says what you can ride -
>the mountain licence says you're qualified enough to ride on the
>mountain circuit.
Odd.
One would have thought that a sidecar licence would be clearly
identifiable by dint of being written in green crayon.
--
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"
It's important is that last ell.
Champ
wrote:
>> >>>I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula based on
>> >>>hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy factor awarded
>> >>>by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
>> >>
>> >>Crikey. The UKRM sidecar racing team. Fantastic!
>> >
>> >So you're in then?
>>
>> Curses. Rumbled.
>
>Out of interest, as pilot or passenger?
Y'know, I'm not really sure. On a short circuit (i.e. with lots of
run off), I'd probably be happy to do both. Prolly only pilot on a
hill climb or elsewhere with trees and walls nearby.
I have actually had a brief go, on an airfield apron, trying to pilot
a chair, which while not a full on kneeler was sort of close. I say
trying because I couldn't actually get it to do anything I wanted at
all.
Champ
<w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:
>Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ
><ne...@champ.org.uk> typed
>>
>>The 'mountain licence' does not have a 'solo' or 'sidecar'
>>designation. It's the main ACU licence that says what you can ride -
>>the mountain licence says you're qualified enough to ride on the
>>mountain circuit.
>
>Odd.
>
>One would have thought that a sidecar licence would be clearly
>identifiable by dint of being written in green crayon.
It's printed by the ACU.
You can sign it in whatever you like.
Lozzo
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 23:35:55 +0000, Wicked Uncle Nigel
> <w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ
> ><ne...@champ.org.uk> typed
> > >
> > > The 'mountain licence' does not have a 'solo' or 'sidecar'
> > > designation. It's the main ACU licence that says what you can
> > > ride - the mountain licence says you're qualified enough to ride
> > > on the mountain circuit.
> >
> > Odd.
> >
> > One would have thought that a sidecar licence would be clearly
> > identifiable by dint of being written in green crayon.
>
> It's printed by the ACU.
>
> You can sign it in whatever you like.
But the sidecar licence only has pictures and no words, right?
--
Lozzo
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fear of having their motives questioned
Bear
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 23:32:40 -0000, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> >>>I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula based on
> >> >>>hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy factor awarded
> >> >>>by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
> >> >>
> >> >>Crikey. The UKRM sidecar racing team. Fantastic!
> >> >
> >> >So you're in then?
> >>
> >> Curses. Rumbled.
> >
> >Out of interest, as pilot or passenger?
>
> Y'know, I'm not really sure. On a short circuit (i.e. with lots of
> run off), I'd probably be happy to do both. Prolly only pilot on a
> hill climb or elsewhere with trees and walls nearby.
>
> I have actually had a brief go, on an airfield apron, trying to pilot
> a chair, which while not a full on kneeler was sort of close. I say
> trying because I couldn't actually get it to do anything I wanted at
> all.
The fact you don't know which you want to do, and yet still fancy both,
marks you down as a terminal fuckwit with a death wish.
I'm actually very impressed :)
Andy Bonwick
>On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:11:47 +0000, Andy Bonwick
><nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:58:52 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:40:51 +0000, Pete Fisher
>>><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>snip>
>>
>>>>I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula based on
>>>>hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy factor awarded
>>>>by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
>>>
>>>Crikey. The UKRM sidecar racing team. Fantastic!
>>
>>So you're in then?
>
>Curses. Rumbled.
I thought you might be.
If Pete wants to do it then I'll be happy to chuck in an equal part so
a spot of hill climbing can be undertaken. If it worked out ok I fancy
doing a bit of piloting and some time but I'm sure plenty of others
would pay to be passengers if they were given the chance.
Pete Fisher
>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:02:19 +0000, Pete Fisher
><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In communiqué <8fh7m41hasaf4qpdf...@4ax.com>, Champ
>><ne...@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:40:51 +0000, Pete Fisher
>>><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula based on
>>>>hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy factor awarded
>>>>by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
>>>
>>>Crikey. The UKRM sidecar racing team. Fantastic!
>>
>>Does a solo mountain circuit licence qualify you to ride an outfit
>>round?
>
>The 'mountain licence' does not have a 'solo' or 'sidecar'
>designation. It's the main ACU licence that says what you can ride -
>the mountain licence says you're qualified enough to ride on the
>mountain circuit.
So presumably you have to do a qualifying number of sidecar races with a
national sidecar licence, and the required number in a year to get a
mountain licence. Or could you get a mountain licence by doing just solo
races if you held both solo and sidecar National licences.
Hypothetically speaking naturally. Obviously passengers also need
suitable certifying ;-)
Pete Fisher
<ne...@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 23:32:40 -0000, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> >>>I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula based on
>>> >>>hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy factor awarded
>>> >>>by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
>>> >>
>>> >>Crikey. The UKRM sidecar racing team. Fantastic!
>>> >
>>> >So you're in then?
>>>
>>> Curses. Rumbled.
>>
>>Out of interest, as pilot or passenger?
>
>Y'know, I'm not really sure. On a short circuit (i.e. with lots of
>run off), I'd probably be happy to do both. Prolly only pilot on a
>hill climb or elsewhere with trees and walls nearby.
>
>I have actually had a brief go, on an airfield apron, trying to pilot
>a chair, which while not a full on kneeler was sort of close. I say
>trying because I couldn't actually get it to do anything I wanted at
>all.
I was passenger for Pat's mate Toby on his Ural when we won the Baitings
Dam hill climb championship in 81. So pretty slow and TBF that hill,
though narrow, didn't have too much in the way of trees and walls. You
may have seen the my video of the Vincent outfit there on Youtube.
Piloting the Matchless trials outfit lead to some close encounters with
trees and rocks, but that was naturally at slow speed.
I did have a video of me and 'knuckles' bimbling round Curborough twisty
sprint on the Mille/Squire. The tape got chewed up, so I must ask the
originator for a copy so I can upload a clip for my 'CV' to assure
prospective monkeys.
Pete Fisher
<mono...@blueyonder.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
No idea. It ought to be pointed out that even the dimmest plod couldn't
confuse it with the your outfit even if lights were nailed on as well as
registration plate, and that even treaded sidecar racing tyres are not
best suited to snow and ice.
Pete Fisher
<nos...@bonwick.me.uk> writes
Enquiries are on-going, and it certainly can't be ruled out. Get plenty
of practice in on the way to the Elefant.
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Champ
<Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>Out of interest, as pilot or passenger?
>>
>>Y'know, I'm not really sure. On a short circuit (i.e. with lots of
>>run off), I'd probably be happy to do both. Prolly only pilot on a
>>hill climb or elsewhere with trees and walls nearby.
>>
>>I have actually had a brief go, on an airfield apron, trying to pilot
>>a chair, which while not a full on kneeler was sort of close. I say
>>trying because I couldn't actually get it to do anything I wanted at
>>all.
>
>I was passenger for Pat's mate Toby on his Ural when we won the Baitings
>Dam hill climb championship in 81. So pretty slow and TBF that hill,
>though narrow, didn't have too much in the way of trees and walls.
It was Toby's semi-kneeler road going outfit that I tried to ride.
Did you ever see that bike? Had a GS1000 engine in it or something.
It had a car rally seat in the chair. I did a lap or two of the TT
course in the chair - great fun riding round the outside of solos in
the wet.
--
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Champ
wrote:
>> >Out of interest, as pilot or passenger?
>>
>> Y'know, I'm not really sure. On a short circuit (i.e. with lots of
>> run off), I'd probably be happy to do both. Prolly only pilot on a
>> hill climb or elsewhere with trees and walls nearby.
>>
>> I have actually had a brief go, on an airfield apron, trying to pilot
>> a chair, which while not a full on kneeler was sort of close. I say
>> trying because I couldn't actually get it to do anything I wanted at
>> all.
>
>The fact you don't know which you want to do, and yet still fancy both,
>marks you down as a terminal fuckwit with a death wish.
It does? Oh. It's all just being daft with motorbikes to me.
>I'm actually very impressed :)
I guess I should be proud.
Champ
<Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>Does a solo mountain circuit licence qualify you to ride an outfit
>>>round?
>>
>>The 'mountain licence' does not have a 'solo' or 'sidecar'
>>designation. It's the main ACU licence that says what you can ride -
>>the mountain licence says you're qualified enough to ride on the
>>mountain circuit.
>
>So presumably you have to do a qualifying number of sidecar races with a
>national sidecar licence, and the required number in a year to get a
>mountain licence. Or could you get a mountain licence by doing just solo
>races if you held both solo and sidecar National licences.
The latter - there's numerous examples of sidecar crew doing a solo
race at mallory in March to get their 'sigs' (end of march is the
cut-off date for the TT).
Bear
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 00:35:37 -0000, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> >Out of interest, as pilot or passenger?
> >>
> >> Y'know, I'm not really sure. On a short circuit (i.e. with lots of
> >> run off), I'd probably be happy to do both. Prolly only pilot on a
> >> hill climb or elsewhere with trees and walls nearby.
> >>
> >> I have actually had a brief go, on an airfield apron, trying to pilot
> >> a chair, which while not a full on kneeler was sort of close. I say
> >> trying because I couldn't actually get it to do anything I wanted at
> >> all.
> >
> >The fact you don't know which you want to do, and yet still fancy both,
> >marks you down as a terminal fuckwit with a death wish.
>
> It does? Oh. It's all just being daft with motorbikes to me.
Yeah but outfits are odd - bikers usually go for pilot position, rather
than passenger, for some reason.
> >I'm actually very impressed :)
>
> I guess I should be proud.
Oh you should, no question.
platypus
> In message <l8f8m450g8uigq2ss...@4ax.com>, Andy Bonwick
> <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> writes
>> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:31:43 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:11:47 +0000, Andy Bonwick
>>> <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:58:52 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:40:51 +0000, Pete Fisher
>>>>> <Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> snip>
>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula
>>>>>> based on hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy
>>>>>> factor awarded by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Crikey. The UKRM sidecar racing team. Fantastic!
>>>>
>>>> So you're in then?
>>>
>>> Curses. Rumbled.
>>
>> I thought you might be.
>>
>> If Pete wants to do it then I'll be happy to chuck in an equal part
>> so a spot of hill climbing can be undertaken. If it worked out ok I
>> fancy doing a bit of piloting and some time but I'm sure plenty of
>> others would pay to be passengers if they were given the chance.
>>
>>
>
> Enquiries are on-going, and it certainly can't be ruled out. Get
> plenty of practice in on the way to the Elefant.
It's a difficult chair to lean out of.
platypus
> In communiqué <TKQ8l.16319$Sp5....@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
> platypus <mono...@blueyonder.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of
> wisdom
>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>> In communiqué <18h7m4l64flgg3tqo...@4ax.com>, Andy
>>> Bonwick <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>>> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:40:51 +0000, Pete Fisher
>>>> <Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula
>>>>> based on hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy
>>>>> factor awarded by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
>>>>
>>>> Go for it. I'm usually very busy through the summer but wouldn't
>>>> mind a spot of racing when I'm off and it's not as if it's proper
>>>> racing is it?
>>>
>>> Note that it is 'TT' spec. with big tank and long platform, so
>>> suitably qualified nutters could theoretically do just that with it.
>>
>> Mmm. What's the tank range?
>>
>
> No idea. It ought to be pointed out that even the dimmest plod
> couldn't confuse it with the your outfit even if lights were nailed
> on as well as registration plate, and that even treaded sidecar
> racing tyres are not best suited to snow and ice.
Ubggrre.
I've actually seen road-registered kneeler outfits on ebay a couple of
times.
72degrees
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:14:29 +0000, Pete Fisher
>
> <Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>Out of interest, as pilot or passenger?
>
> >>Y'know, I'm not really sure. On a short circuit (i.e. with lots of
> >>run off), I'd probably be happy to do both. Prolly only pilot on a
> >>hill climb or elsewhere with trees and walls nearby.
>
> >>I have actually had a brief go, on an airfield apron, trying to pilot
> >>a chair, which while not a full on kneeler was sort of close. I say
> >>trying because I couldn't actually get it to do anything I wanted at
> >>all.
>
> >I was passenger for Pat's mate Toby on his Ural when we won the Baitings
> >Dam hill climb championship in 81. So pretty slow and TBF that hill,
> >though narrow, didn't have too much in the way of trees and walls.
>
> It was Toby's semi-kneeler road going outfit that I tried to ride.
> Did you ever see that bike? Had a GS1000 engine in it or something.
> It had a car rally seat in the chair. I did a lap or two of the TT
> course in the chair - great fun riding round the outside of solos in
> the wet.
I remember him racing that at Three Sisters, possibly with Pat in the
chair?
He turned up at Barbon one year with a home brewed three-wheeler that
the passenger sort of just clinged to the side of.
IIRC they only let him do a demonstration run on it.
72degrees
> Pete Fisher wrote:
> > Enquiries are on-going, and it certainly can't be ruled out. Get
> > plenty of practice in on the way to the Elefant.
>
> It's a difficult chair to lean out of
Fair comment. Perhaps spend the time devising a Jenks/Moss finger
signalling system Mille Miglia stylee then, for awarding points mid
run to the pilot for commitment of last cornering attempt.
"Oi'll give it foive"
72degrees
> > platypus <monotr...@blueyonder.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of
> > wisdom
> >> Pete Fisher wrote:
> >>> In communiqué <18h7m4l64flgg3tqocuh3atgteqtf11...@4ax.com>, Andy
> >>> Bonwick <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
> >>>> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:40:51 +0000, Pete Fisher
> >>>> <Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>>>> I'm sure we could work out some kind of time share cost formula
> >>>>> based on hours running, with adjustments for mechanical sympathy
> >>>>> factor awarded by an impartial jury of UKRMers.
>
> >>>> Go for it. I'm usually very busy through the summer but wouldn't
> >>>> mind a spot of racing when I'm off and it's not as if it's proper
> >>>> racing is it?
>
> >>> Note that it is 'TT' spec. with big tank and long platform, so
> >>> suitably qualified nutters could theoretically do just that with it.
>
> >> Mmm. What's the tank range?
>
> > No idea. It ought to be pointed out that even the dimmest plod
> > couldn't confuse it with the your outfit even if lights were nailed
> > on as well as registration plate, and that even treaded sidecar
> > racing tyres are not best suited to snow and ice.
>
> Ubggrre.
>
> I've actually seen road-registered kneeler outfits on ebay a couple of
> times
The French and Germans build some spectacular examples.
Champ
<pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >I was passenger for Pat's mate Toby on his Ural when we won the Baitings
>> >Dam hill climb championship in 81. So pretty slow and TBF that hill,
>> >though narrow, didn't have too much in the way of trees and walls.
>>
>> It was Toby's semi-kneeler road going outfit that I tried to ride.
>> Did you ever see that bike? Had a GS1000 engine in it or something.
>> It had a car rally seat in the chair. I did a lap or two of the TT
>> course in the chair - great fun riding round the outside of solos in
>> the wet.
>
>I remember him racing that at Three Sisters, possibly with Pat in the
>chair?
Probably.
>He turned up at Barbon one year with a home brewed three-wheeler that
>the passenger sort of just clinged to the side of.
>
>IIRC they only let him do a demonstration run on it.
Hah! Toby was a bit out there, even for a hill-climber.
Did you know he's largely moved from making pottery to painting?
Doing fairly well out of it too, according to Pat.
72degrees
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:54:08 -0800 (PST), 72degrees
>
> <pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >I was passenger for Pat's mate Toby on his Ural when we won the Baitings
> >> >Dam hill climb championship in 81. So pretty slow and TBF that hill,
> >> >though narrow, didn't have too much in the way of trees and walls.
>
> >> It was Toby's semi-kneeler road going outfit that I tried to ride.
> >> Did you ever see that bike? Had a GS1000 engine in it or something.
> >> It had a car rally seat in the chair. I did a lap or two of the TT
> >> course in the chair - great fun riding round the outside of solos in
> >> the wet.
>
> >I remember him racing that at Three Sisters, possibly with Pat in the
> >chair?
>
> Probably.
>
> >He turned up at Barbon one year with a home brewed three-wheeler that
> >the passenger sort of just clinged to the side of.
>
> >IIRC they only let him do a demonstration run on it.
>
> Hah! Toby was a bit out there, even for a hill-climber.
>
> Did you know he's largely moved from making pottery to painting?
> Doing fairly well out of it too, according to Pat.
Yes. Though he spends the winter at his father's place in Antibes.
He taught SWMBO#1 how to throw a pot many years ago (not a
euphemism). I even had a go when she acquired her own miniature
wheel. More difficult than it looks. The 'turning' of leather state
pots was a bit easier if you could make an approximately round one in
the first place.
Ace
04:59:47 -0800 (PST), 72degrees <pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Adrian
like they were saying:
> Perhaps spend the time devising a Jenks/Moss finger signalling system
> Mille Miglia stylee then, for awarding points mid run to the pilot for
> commitment of last cornering attempt.
"No points? For THAT? <glances> Oh. Where'd he go?"
Andy Bonwick
<Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
snip>
>
>Enquiries are on-going, and it certainly can't be ruled out. Get plenty
>of practice in on the way to the Elefant.
Sod waiting for the Elefant, I've got a shiny new Hagon rear shock
sitting here waiting to be fitted at the weekend and then it's out to
see just how far I can lift the chair on left handers.
platypus
Excellent. I can still just go on the VFR if you crock it.
Andy Bonwick
I'm waiting for you to announce that you've nothing on this weekend
and are coming up here to assist in the project.
platypus
> On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:35:30 GMT, "platypus"
> <mono...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Andy Bonwick wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:16:00 +0000, Pete Fisher
>>> <Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> snip>
>>>>
>>>> Enquiries are on-going, and it certainly can't be ruled out. Get
>>>> plenty of practice in on the way to the Elefant.
>>>
>>> Sod waiting for the Elefant, I've got a shiny new Hagon rear shock
>>> sitting here waiting to be fitted at the weekend and then it's out
>>> to see just how far I can lift the chair on left handers.
>>
>> Excellent. I can still just go on the VFR if you crock it.
>
> I'm waiting for you to announce that you've nothing on this weekend
> and are coming up here to assist in the project.
I'm working Saturday. How about Sunday?
Andy Bonwick
<mono...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I knew you'd not be able to resist. Sunday's good because that gives
me plenty of time to fit the brake pads and shock then give it a rip.
platypus
I think I can remember where you live. What time's breakfast?
Adie
<mono...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
when you come round and make it.
Eddie
>
> Sod waiting for the Elefant, I've got a shiny new Hagon rear shock
> sitting here waiting to be fitted at the weekend and then it's out to
> see just how far I can lift the chair on left handers.
Who was holding the FBOTY sweepstake? I want to increase my bid!
--
Eddie ed...@deguello.org
His: ZX-9R, Elefant 900 http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm
Hers: Monster S4R
platypus
You'd trust me in your kitchen?
Andy Bonwick
>Andy Bonwick wrote:
>>
>> Sod waiting for the Elefant, I've got a shiny new Hagon rear shock
>> sitting here waiting to be fitted at the weekend and then it's out to
>> see just how far I can lift the chair on left handers.
>
>Who was holding the FBOTY sweepstake? I want to increase my bid!
Does the award go to the bike or the rider and do passengers get a
special award of their own if they should have known better?
Eddie
The rider, normally.
The passengers probably just get a YTC, in the unlikely event that they
haven't already got one.
Colin Irvine
>Andy Bonwick wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:18:02 +0000, Eddie <ed...@deguello.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Bonwick wrote:
>>>> Sod waiting for the Elefant, I've got a shiny new Hagon rear shock
>>>> sitting here waiting to be fitted at the weekend and then it's out to
>>>> see just how far I can lift the chair on left handers.
>>> Who was holding the FBOTY sweepstake? I want to increase my bid!
>>
>> Does the award go to the bike or the rider and do passengers get a
>> special award of their own if they should have known better?
>
>The rider, normally.
>
>The passengers probably just get a YTC, in the unlikely event that they
>haven't already got one.
Tricky. The degree of YTCness would depend on the demonstrated Tness
of the passenger, the inherent Cness of the rider and the presence of
any mitigating circumstances. These factors would all have to be
combined, using a suitable algorithm, to give a final YTC score.
The above, of course, would have to be done by the holder of the
YTC#s. I think I can guess his response.
--
Colin Irvine
ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5
http://www.colinandpat.co.uk
platypus
"should have known better" would be tricky here.
platypus
You have an asymmetric kitchen?
> you're welcome to come up saturday night and join us for beers if that
> would make like easier.
That would be fun, but not practical for me.
Andy Bonwick
>Andy Bonwick wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:18:02 +0000, Eddie <ed...@deguello.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Andy Bonwick wrote:
>>>> Sod waiting for the Elefant, I've got a shiny new Hagon rear shock
>>>> sitting here waiting to be fitted at the weekend and then it's out to
>>>> see just how far I can lift the chair on left handers.
>>> Who was holding the FBOTY sweepstake? I want to increase my bid!
>>
>> Does the award go to the bike or the rider and do passengers get a
>> special award of their own if they should have known better?
>
>The rider, normally.
>
Ok. It's just that there'll be two people riding my K100 in Germany
and even I'd have backed the bike to get the award if that was the
case..
>The passengers probably just get a YTC, in the unlikely event that they
>haven't already got one.
They're finished so no chance of that happening.
Eddie
> On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:17:38 +0000, Eddie <ed...@deguello.org> wrote:
>
>> Andy Bonwick wrote:
>>> Does the award go to the bike or the rider and do passengers get a
>>> special award of their own if they should have known better?
>> The rider, normally.
>>
> Ok. It's just that there'll be two people riding my K100 in Germany
> and even I'd have backed the bike to get the award if that was the
> case..
For extra points, you need to aim for two crashes, one for each rider.
>> The passengers probably just get a YTC, in the unlikely event that they
>> haven't already got one.
>
> They're finished so no chance of that happening.
I think posthumous awards are allowed, but not encouraged.
Pete Fisher
You have mail, if I guessed the address properly.
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Andy Bonwick
<Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In communiqué <aus9m4t5ol54sr5f8...@4ax.com>, Andy Bonwick
><nos...@bonwick.me.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:16:00 +0000, Pete Fisher
>><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>snip>
>>>
>>>Enquiries are on-going, and it certainly can't be ruled out. Get plenty
>>>of practice in on the way to the Elefant.
>>
>>Sod waiting for the Elefant, I've got a shiny new Hagon rear shock
>>sitting here waiting to be fitted at the weekend and then it's out to
>>see just how far I can lift the chair on left handers.
>
>You have mail, if I guessed the address properly.
and I've replied to it.
I fitted the new shock this morning and I've just been out for a play
on it. The good news is that it's totally transformed the handling of
the outfit in that it actually steers through left handers rather than
wallowing and it's stable(ish) at an indicated 100mph on dual
carriageway.
The front end still feels strange but that's probably because the
dampers on the leading links are crap so I'll just ride through that
one. It's still not ideal on bumpy roads and early this morning I
provoked the front end into breaking out mid corner. This is a very
scarey thing to have happen on what is essentially a rear wheel drive
car but it was under power mid way through a left hand bend and it
just slid a little bit before gripping again and carrying on as if
nothing had happened.
I love riding the beast because it's still a challenge and I'll not
let it beat me.
Pete Fisher
>On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:36:11 +0000, Pete Fisher
><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In communiqué <aus9m4t5ol54sr5f8...@4ax.com>, Andy Bonwick
>><nos...@bonwick.me.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>>On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:16:00 +0000, Pete Fisher
>>><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>snip>
>>>>
>>>>Enquiries are on-going, and it certainly can't be ruled out. Get plenty
>>>>of practice in on the way to the Elefant.
>>>
>>>Sod waiting for the Elefant, I've got a shiny new Hagon rear shock
>>>sitting here waiting to be fitted at the weekend and then it's out to
>>>see just how far I can lift the chair on left handers.
>>
>>You have mail, if I guessed the address properly.
>
>and I've replied to it.
>
See photos.
>I fitted the new shock this morning and I've just been out for a play
>on it. The good news is that it's totally transformed the handling of
>the outfit in that it actually steers through left handers rather than
>wallowing and it's stable(ish) at an indicated 100mph on dual
>carriageway.
>
Excellent.
>The front end still feels strange but that's probably because the
>dampers on the leading links are crap so I'll just ride through that
>one. It's still not ideal on bumpy roads and early this morning I
>provoked the front end into breaking out mid corner. This is a very
>scarey thing to have happen on what is essentially a rear wheel drive
>car but it was under power mid way through a left hand bend and it
>just slid a little bit before gripping again and carrying on as if
>nothing had happened.
>
Heh, a sliding front end is fairly easy to achieve with leading links on
right handers. Takes commitment on a left hander. Must be plenty of grip
at the back by the sound of it.
>I love riding the beast because it's still a challenge and I'll not
>let it beat me.
That's the spirit.
ogden
> I fitted the new shock this morning and I've just been out for a play
> on it. The good news is that it's totally transformed the handling of
> the outfit in that it actually steers through left handers rather than
> wallowing and it's stable(ish) at an indicated 100mph on dual
> carriageway.
So long as I drag my arse out of bed in time I should see you tomorrow.
--
ogden
GSX-R750 K4
RGV250 VJ22
Andy Bonwick
It'll be a lovely day for riding a bike because it's not gone above
freezing all day. I've just been out for another 40 mile ride and the
hedges are nicely frozen plus there's a spot of freezing fog dropping
in to visit.
Actually the forecast for tomorrow is a balmy 8c so the frost should
vanish pretty quickly and the roads might even lose that nasty greasy
surface that they seem to have been coated in all day.
Pete Fisher
I've just been for a bimble in the MX5 to warm it through thoroughly and
make sure all the whirly round bits still do. As I had the lad with me I
had to take it a bit steady. He still enjoyed a couple of roundabout
exits though.
bod43
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:36:11 +0000, Pete Fisher
>
>
>
>
>
> <Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> ><nos...@bonwick.me.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
> >>On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:16:00 +0000, Pete Fisher
> >><Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> one. It's still not ideal on bumpy roads and early this morning I
> provoked the front end into breaking out mid corner. This is a very
> scarey thing to have happen on what is essentially a rear wheel drive
> car
There is a training film for this somewhere.
<fx:memory rumbling n wheezing......>
Ah yes -
The Flying Finns - Castrol 19[67]x.
Pay more attention to the Hannu Mikola bit than
the Timo Makinen sections.
The Older Gentleman
>
> There is a training film for this somewhere.
>
> <fx:memory rumbling n wheezing......>
> Ah yes -
> The Flying Finns - Castrol 19[67]x.
> Pay more attention to the Hannu Mikola bit than
> the Timo Makinen sections.
>
<Mega-snip>
Bollocks. I thought this would be a video clip.
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bod43
wrote:
> bod43 <Bo...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > There is a training film for this somewhere.
>
> > <fx:memory rumbling n wheezing......>
> > Ah yes -
> > The Flying Finns - Castrol 19[67]x.
> > Pay more attention to the Hannu Mikola bit than
> > the Timo Makinen sections.
>
> <Mega-snip>
>
> Bollocks. I thought this would be a video clip.
Sadly, despite a bit of looking I have not found a way to
get it without coughing up.