Particularly when one is on leave and the sun is out.
IMHO.
Discuss.
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>In article <c5jpua$2es65$1...@ID-193566.news.uni-berlin.de>, Oldbloke
>says...
>> Fucking sucks dead dogs arses.
>>
>> Particularly when one is on leave and the sun is out.
>>
>> IMHO.
>>
>> Discuss.
>You need to get a man in.
TLSG is free, isn't he.
Get him in, Dan. YKIMS.
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Good plan, next time I think I will. Every time I do decorating I fucking
hate it a bit more.
Or a woman... Are you anywhere near Staffordshire? I'm just in the process
of starting up in business - painting and decorating, plastering and joinery
and my rates are very reasonable...
Steph
Indeed yes, Paul is the chap, unfortunately he is very busy otherwise I
would have tapped him up.
Unfortunately I am not any where near Staffs, I am in Bicester, Oxfordshire.
A friend of mine is a painting and decorating lecturer at Aylesbury College.
He reckons the lady decorators are by far better in all respects than the
vast majority of their male counterparts, particularly when it comes to
paper-hanging.
Good luck with the business venture.
>>> Fucking sucks dead dogs arses.
>>>
>>> Particularly when one is on leave and the sun is out.
>>>
>>> IMHO.
>>>
>>> Discuss.
>
>> You need to get a man in.
>
> TLSG is free, isn't he.
>
> Get him in, Dan. YKIMS.
I don't think I could afford him Pip, he is (or was) EKS wasn't he?
Also, today's task was a particular arse pain, the good old stairs and
landing, and I really (and I mean REALLY) don't do ladders at all well.
Ho hum, I have just had to console myself with the thought of the £50 in
cash that's burning a hole in my back pocket. Been considering getting a
belly-pan for the CB, whaddya think?
>Or a woman... Are you anywhere near Staffordshire? I'm just in the process
>of starting up in business - painting and decorating, plastering and joinery
>and my rates are very reasonable...
Shame you're in Staffordshire - exactly the type of work that needs to
be done to my flat. I am no good at DIY.
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>Fucking sucks dead dogs arses.
>
>Particularly when one is on leave and the sun is out.
>
>IMHO.
>
>Discuss.
Well I think you need a new moniker - you're not old at all.
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>On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:47:18 +0100, "Oldbloke"
><dann...@yodanet.demon.co.uk> squeezed out the following:
>>Discuss.
>
>Well I think you need a new moniker - you're not old at all.
Middleagedblokeinpermanentcrisis, perhaps?
I've had a comparatively easy life.
Nice to meet you BTW.
Middle - bloody - aged???
Hrumph!
My thoughts entirely, he's younger than both myself and Champ.
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>Pip wrote:
>> TLSG is free, isn't he.
>>
>> Get him in, Dan. YKIMS.
>
>I don't think I could afford him Pip, he is (or was) EKS wasn't he?
Yeah, but he's unemployed now. Bound to be cheap.
>
>Also, today's task was a particular arse pain, the good old stairs and
>landing, and I really (and I mean REALLY) don't do ladders at all well.
With your record, I'm surprised you stepped off the ground. You'll be
cleaning your brushes in caustic, I expact.
>
>Ho hum, I have just had to console myself with the thought of the £50 in
>cash that's burning a hole in my back pocket. Been considering getting a
>belly-pan for the CB, whaddya think?
Save your cash and put it in a fund for a bigger bike, for some
training (Dave Corden would be your mark, I reckon) - or the next bill
for the TS ...
Really? Makes him little more than a wee babbee then.
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I'll pay extra, if you climb the ladder. The higher the step, the
higher the cash. Sound fair?
Oh, and how much for me to clean your brush? ;-)
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Be fair though, there are a few round here that could be described as
'inappropriately named'.
Bruce being the exception :)
>Colin Irvine wrote:
>>>
>>> Fucking sucks dead dogs arses.
>>>
>>> Particularly when one is on leave and the sun is out.
>>>
>>> IMHO.
>>>
>>> Discuss.
>>
>> Well I think you need a new moniker - you're not old at all.
>
>I've had a comparatively easy life.
>Nice to meet you BTW.
Likewise.
Let Ace and YTC battle it out, then ...
>Steph wrote:
>>
>> Or a woman... Are you anywhere near Staffordshire? I'm just in the
>> process of starting up in business - painting and decorating,
>> plastering and joinery and my rates are very reasonable...
>>
>> Steph
>
>I'll pay extra, if you climb the ladder. The higher the step, the
>higher the cash. Sound fair?
I reckon they'd be a market for fit female interior decorators in
outfits of the punters choice
>Oh, and how much for me to clean your brush? ;-)
heh.
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> Discuss.
Commiserations: painting or wallpaper. I *really* hate wallpapering.
I spent about 3 hours putting up a new light fitting today. It was one
of those dangly brass affairs. It should have been quite easy except it
was designed to mount flush to the ceiling: we have a ceiling rose.
The rose is 'after market. The people who fitted it stuck it over the
original plastic light fitting! :-( not centrally :-((
So, off came the rose off came the old fitting, up went a wooden block
for mounting, down I came with an electric shock (*always* remember to
turn the electric off at the mains)
Still it's all up and working now.
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Black it is
and naked
My thoughts exactly.
>Champ wrote:
>> I reckon they'd be a market for fit female interior decorators in
>> outfits of the punters choice
>
>My thoughts exactly.
I can't stop dribbling.
And that's different how?
>Pip says...
>> I can't stop dribbling.
>
>And that's different how?
It's more ... err ... enthusiastic.
>We've just put up new lights here, since we're tarting the place up to
>sell. Last time the OH fitted a light in the living room he discovered
>that the live wire is black, with a bit of red tape round it. Except
>he managed to cut the tape off, and wired the light wrong. Every time
>it was switched off the circuit breaker would go too.
That's the "switched neutral". As he found, you lose the red tape at
your peril.
Cheap paint is shite, not worth having no matter how cheap. I generally
swear by Dulux brilliant white vinyl matt - a couple of coats will cover
anything and you can then sling any colour you like on over the top.
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>Shame you're in Staffordshire - exactly the type of work that needs to
>be done to my flat. I am no good at DIY.
I can give you the number of the bloke who just painted the inside of
my house. Every room (12), two coats of emulsion and the glosswork
for 1500 nicker. Done a good job, too (apparently).
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>I reckon they'd be a market for fit female interior decorators in
>outfits of the punters choice
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Having seen your house, that's a bargain. I need to get someone in to
paint up the staircase, it's not that I can't do it myself, but that I
really can't be bothered to.
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>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:21:09 +0000 (UTC), "Dave Jennings"
><Da...@NOSPAMjenningsfamily.info> wrote:
>
>>Champ wrote:
>>> I reckon they'd be a market for fit female interior decorators in
>>> outfits of the punters choice
>>
>>My thoughts exactly.
>
>I can't stop dribbling.
You need to put less paint on the brush, and keep it moving.
AO fucking L to that.
Leaveimalone! he's just got teenage kids!
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That's cos you don't have the beard now........
Agreed
> Particularly when one is on leave and the sun is out.
Do it at night, I usually do.
> Discuss.
Nowt to discuss really, other than to recount my own
personal decorating bette-noir - we were selling our fist
house, got a bite first time, thanks to re-decorating it
from top to bottom before putting it on the market - but
the sale fell through because the survey revealed a bowing
gable-end (a Victorian end-of-terrace)
So we had to move out for a month while the builders
demolished and re-built the entire side of the house.
Once we got back in, after allowing a suitable period for
the fresh plaster to dry out etc.. I redecorated again,
from top to bottom.
Within weeks white powder started showing though the pain
on all of the gable end walls - necessitating a
third-time-in-a-year top-to-bottom redecorating, this time
with several impervious barriers on the gable end.
I have not touched a roll of wallpaper or a paint roller
since that year - I now leave it all to SWMBO or get a man
in if feeling flush with cash.
Excellent, send me his contact details via e-mail. I have just the job
for him ... [1]
Cheers,
Paul.
[1] Another Stairs and landing [2]
[2] Which i'm fecked if i'm doing myself, the sun's out FFS.
>Pip wrote:
>> I can't stop dribbling.
>
>That's cos you don't have the beard now........
At least the dribble is easy to wipe away, now.
>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:38:47 +0100, Pip <p...@ukrm.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:21:09 +0000 (UTC), "Dave Jennings"
>><Da...@NOSPAMjenningsfamily.info> wrote:
>>
>>>Champ wrote:
>>>> I reckon they'd be a market for fit female interior decorators in
>>>> outfits of the punters choice
>>>
>>>My thoughts exactly.
>>
>>I can't stop dribbling.
>
>You need to put less paint on the brush, and keep it moving.
Thank you, Champelangelo.
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:19:53 +0100, Pip <p...@ukrm.net> blethered:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:10:36 +0100, Halla
>><ha...@drunkenbastards.spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>We've just put up new lights here, since we're tarting the place up to
>>>sell. Last time the OH fitted a light in the living room he discovered
>>>that the live wire is black, with a bit of red tape round it. Except
>>>he managed to cut the tape off, and wired the light wrong. Every time
>>>it was switched off the circuit breaker would go too.
>>
>>That's the "switched neutral".
>
> Aha. Thanks, I shall endeavour to retain that information.
>
>>As he found, you lose the red tape at
>>your peril.
>
> Yeees. We put another bit of tape on it this time, just in case. The
> people who built this place appear to have got a cheap job-lot of
> black wire, and they also seem to have been incapable of marking out a
> proper angle or straight line.
I think we must have bought our houses from the same bloke.
When we first moved in I installed some kitchen units. There is a need
to drill holes to fix the cupboards to. One cupboard was to go below an
electric socket, so the holes were about a foot either side of it.
Guess what. after a moment's drilling 'BANG' and 'FLASH'. The wire
from the socket came down in a sort of an arc instead of the expected
straight line.
This and other interesting things have been discovered since. The wires
in our light fitting weren't marked at all.
I thought you'd done your own glosswork? In your pants, if I recall correctly.
--
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> Or a woman... Are you anywhere near Staffordshire? I'm just in the process
> of starting up in business - painting and decorating, plastering and joinery
> and my rates are very reasonable...
I'll have to get my Mum to get in touch next time she neeeds work
done. Or one of her mates.
Decorating when the weather's nice sucks dead dogs arses, but
defrosting freezers sucks harder.
There is nothing worse than knowing it's warm and sunny outside when
your hands are numb with cold inside. And what is it that makes
freezers smell of erm, cardboard, breadcrumbs and peas? The cardboard,
bread and peas that are stored in there I guess...
>Ben Blaney <benb...@ukrm.net> wrote in message news:<8v1s709bm5ujd1sqo...@4ax.com>...
>> Paul Corfield wrote:
>>
>> >Shame you're in Staffordshire - exactly the type of work that needs to
>> >be done to my flat. I am no good at DIY.
>>
>> I can give you the number of the bloke who just painted the inside of
>> my house. Every room (12), two coats of emulsion and the glosswork
>> for 1500 nicker. Done a good job, too (apparently).
>
>I thought you'd done your own glosswork? In your pants, if I recall correctly.
This is true, but it was rubbish, so I got a man in to do it for me
properly.
--
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Thanks Claire,
I'd appreciate that.
BTW regarding Ben's post I forgot to mention I also do kitchen design and
installation :o)
Cheers
--
Steph
You could design a new kitchen for us. Given the dimensions of the
room, then it'd certainly be a challenge...
>BTW regarding Ben's post I forgot to mention I also do kitchen design and
>installation :o)
I've just ordered a Harvey Jones kitchen.
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Don't do bathrooms and plumbing do you? In all seriousness I need a
bathroom in, two stud walls removed, a short staircase built (about 8
feet from top to bottom) a long staircase boxed in (currently open
tread) and later in the year a kitchen installed.
I know we're a bit of a drag down here in Harlow, but if you feel you
can turn a profit,......
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I'll draw up a kitchen for you and price it up depending on what you'd like
in cupboards, sinks, appliances and floor. But if you want me to install it
too you'll have to get your cheque book out.
Ours cost about £4,500 (excluding the cookers) for all the units, dish
washer, sinks and taps. But it did include all the under cupboard lighting
and lighting in the glass cupboards, pelmets, plinths etc. The kitchen's
23' by 13' so there's quite alot of cupboards in there for the cost. If I
could be bothered to tidy it I'd take a photo and post you a link, but I
can't so I won't ;o)
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Which is precisely why I have a 'Brian'.
A 'Brian' is a wrinkled little git, with a face like a walnut, and a large
collection of carpentry, decorating, and other tools, plus the necessary
skills to use them properly[0]
For the price of a few bob shillings worth of beer[1] it'll beaver away all
day, scraping walls, building architrave, laying floors, tiling, painting,
plumbing, sorting out *simple* electrical issues[2], infact doing pretty
much everything that a DIY enthusiast would do for themselves, apart from
wallpapering[3], plastering[4], and proper electrics[5]. When it works it
works like a Trojan, rarely if ever taking breaks, and producing a
thoroughly good job; however it must be said that sometimes it is tricky to
goad it into actually starting work (though I'm sure that a few savage blows
with a fork leg would be sufficient inducement).
If you live somewhere convenient for Kew in SW London then I may be able to
see my way clear to loaning you my Brian (for your own account naturally).
Where do you live?
[0] On occassion, if suitably asked and bribed a Brian will also butle or
housemaid as required.
[1] Well, a bit more than that, but it doesn't charge top dollar.
[2] New light fittings, lightswitches, that sort of thing.
[3] For wallpapering I have a 'Danzy'.
[4] For plastering I have a 'Big Mick' - which is the least reliable of my
DIY tools it must be said.
[5] For proper electrics I have a 'Chris', which is the most expensive of my
DIY tools
PS. Whenever a Brian asks somebody (including my Hayabusa owning neighbour)
CIHAGM? the now traditional response is "fuck off".
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>On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:33:44 +0100, "Steph"
><step...@SPAMchuchstone.com> wrote:
>
>>Or a woman... Are you anywhere near Staffordshire? I'm just in the process
>>of starting up in business - painting and decorating, plastering and joinery
>>and my rates are very reasonable...
>
>Shame you're in Staffordshire - exactly the type of work that needs to
>be done to my flat. I am no good at DIY.
I can (probably) give you the details of someone that can help. She's
training to start her own painting and decorating business, so she's
not that expensive (at least IMHO) and her work is better than I could
do.
>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:19:53 +0100, Pip <p...@ukrm.net> blethered:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:10:36 +0100, Halla
>><ha...@drunkenbastards.spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>We've just put up new lights here, since we're tarting the place up to
>>>sell. Last time the OH fitted a light in the living room he discovered
>>>that the live wire is black, with a bit of red tape round it. Except
>>>he managed to cut the tape off, and wired the light wrong. Every time
>>>it was switched off the circuit breaker would go too.
>>
>>That's the "switched neutral".
>
>Aha. Thanks, I shall endeavour to retain that information.
>
>>As he found, you lose the red tape at
>>your peril.
>
>Yeees. We put another bit of tape on it this time, just in case. The
>people who built this place appear to have got a cheap job-lot of
>black wire,
ITYF it's *meant* to be black. ISTBC though
>Halla wrote:
>>
>> I've been put off buying cheap shite silk emulsion from B&Q after the
>> hall has taken five coats and is still faintly pink in spots. It used
>> to be an orangey peach though so it's still an improvement. I've gone
>> right off housepainting though.
>
>Cheap paint is shite, not worth having no matter how cheap.
AOL. You just spend three times as long sticking it up, then have to
go out and buy some more cos the coverage on the tin is *hopelessly*
optimistic.
Leyland professional ain't bad IME
>Decorating when the weather's nice sucks dead dogs arses, but
>defrosting freezers sucks harder.
>
>There is nothing worse than knowing it's warm and sunny outside when
>your hands are numb with cold inside. And what is it that makes
>freezers smell of erm, cardboard, breadcrumbs and peas? The cardboard,
>bread and peas that are stored in there I guess...
err, Claire, when it's nice weather, and you want to defrost your
freezer, you *take it outside*...
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Or skip all that nonsense by buying a frost-free one in the first place.
It'll get bigger in roughly 6 weeks time.
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Full throttle for 55 minutes - a hell of a buzz.
No, no, no...... leave it there!
You've got to keep some vestige of trampness, surely? ;-)
Go for the full Scottish look, and fight with yourself in the street -
always a winner.
Looked at the pics of the deed itself earlier - my god, Petrolcan must
have had some workout shearing that lot off!
>Halla wrote:
>>
>> I've been put off buying cheap shite silk emulsion from B&Q after the
>> hall has taken five coats and is still faintly pink in spots.
>
>Cheap paint is shite, not worth having no matter how cheap.
Agreed, but Crown is also good.
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I've just used some new-fangled Dulux diamond super tuff matt emulsion stuff
in Brilliant White. 3 Coats required to cover the previous shade of pink, I
am not impressed. Trade paint is definitely the way to go, Dulux Trade (not
the retail shite, or the cheaper ICI Glidden stuff) rocks mightily, and is
the only one I will specify at work for dec jobs. Unfortunately, along with
the shite emulsion I also inadvertantly picked up non drip gloss and non
drip satinwood. Utter shite, that'll teach me to buy paint at Homebase,
next time it's back to the trade decorators merchants, anything else is such
a false economy IME.
Unfortunately I have none of the above appliances. I am the proud owner of
a SWMBO, who insists that it's a man's duty to do decorating and other DIY,
and then assumes the role of Project Manager and Foreman. Happy days, mined
ewe, I did at least manage to drip paint all down her back today whilst
painting the stairs. Every cloud etc... Today has not sucked such a large
quantity of dead dogs arses as yesterday, glossing is fairly relaxing
provided one can have one's own choice of music on, and I found myself
deeply pondering important topics, such as when should I trade in the Honda,
and for what?
>BTW regarding Ben's post I forgot to mention I also do kitchen design and
>installation :o)
For god's sake woman open a London office. I need my kitchen completely
replacing as well. You're losing out big time here.
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>That's the "switched neutral".
Live, you mean. That's what the red tape's for.
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>Pip wrote:
>> At least the dribble is easy to wipe away, now.
>
>No, no, no...... leave it there!
>
>You've got to keep some vestige of trampness, surely? ;-)
I have a nold comfy sweatshirt that does that for me.
>
>Go for the full Scottish look, and fight with yourself in the street -
>always a winner.
I'm always dein' that.
>
>Looked at the pics of the deed itself earlier - my god, Petrolcan must
>have had some workout shearing that lot off!
He's a man that rises to a challenge ...
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>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:21:40 +0100, "Steph"
><step...@SPAMchuchstone.com> wrote:
>
>>BTW regarding Ben's post I forgot to mention I also do kitchen design and
>>installation :o)
>
>For god's sake woman open a London office. I need my kitchen completely
>replacing as well. You're losing out big time here.
Time to move to the smoke, Steph. Cut Mups' commute, wouldn't it?
>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:50:51 +0100, Halla
><ha...@drunkenbastards.spam.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:19:53 +0100, Pip <p...@ukrm.net> blethered:
>>>As he found, you lose the red tape at
>>>your peril.
>>
>>Yeees. We put another bit of tape on it this time, just in case. The
>>people who built this place appear to have got a cheap job-lot of
>>black wire,
>
>ITYF it's *meant* to be black. ISTBC though
It is meant to be black, being the neutral wire. It needs a bit of
red tape stuck to it, though. Thing is, from the ceiling rose, you
have one three-core cable to switch the light with. The earth wire is
connected to rose and switch, so that is taken. The red wire is used
to connect the powerblock in the rose to the switch and is obviously
permanently live.
So, how can you make the light switch on - you need to get power to
it. You use the remaining black wire - tagged with red tape at light
and switch, this becomes the switch return wire. The switch return
carries power to the light when the switch is made - so it is only
live when switched on. Headfuck ...
>It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember Pip <p...@ukrm.net> saying something
>like:
>
>>That's the "switched neutral".
>
>Live, you mean. That's what the red tape's for.
Yeah, OK. As in all such practices, there's a plethora of terms for
many things. I've heard switched live - live when switched on;
switched neutral - black (neutral) wire that becomes live when
switched on; switch return - returning power upwards when the switch
is made. I'm sure there are others.
Bottom line is, it's a black wire wiv a bit of detachable red tape on
it. Having played with such things (and I know you've done a lot more
than I have) I treat all the fuckers as live until proof positive that
they bloody aren't. Bzzzt.
Wise move, as house leccy is AC the difference between live and nuetral
is not important both will shoot through you into earth.
--
Joe
Chinese takeaway to reply
We'd be lucky to be able to buy a 1 bed flat in London with what our house
is worth. I prefer the 4 bed detatched in the country village, where I buy
my beef by the hind quater £120 and my lamb whole (but dead) for £50.
I'd really like to do more kitchens etc though. Deciding to start doing
work on other peoples houses is an idea I've toyed with but I wasn't sure
what reaction I'd get.
Being the only female on the plastering course I did, raised a few eyebrows
as did the carpentry course. But I must admit the reaction I've had from
you lot wasn't too bad. So I just need to get on with it now and earn some
cash - who knows, if I could earn enough I could save Mups having to commute
at all (if only)
Steph
>Decorating when the weather's nice sucks dead dogs arses, but
>defrosting freezers sucks harder.
Defrosting freezers? Piece of piss.
Empty freezer and turn off at mains. Prepare bowl, old towels,
bolster chisel and hairdryer. The really bold or rushed may
substitute a hot air paint stripper for the hairdryer.
Have a quick scrape about to remove loose frost, then let the ice have
it with a good blast of hot air - keeping the electrics well out of
the way of dripping water, natch.
Once dripping well, have a wallop with the chisel and very soon large
lumps of ice will accumulate in the bowl. Quick whisk round with the
hot air, wipe out with towel and Robert's a close relative again.
I've followed this procedure many times and it has never done any
damage to the freezer, nor has it taken longer than 15 minutes - and
no fucking frostbitten fingies, neither.
>Yeah, OK. As in all such practices, there's a plethora of terms for
>many things. I've heard switched live - live when switched on;
>switched neutral - black (neutral) wire that becomes live when
>switched on; switch return - returning power upwards when the switch
>is made. I'm sure there are others.
There's a set of standard terms in use by most sparks - 'switched live'
is definitely the one that describes the feed from the switch to the
light. .
>Bottom line is, it's a black wire wiv a bit of detachable red tape on
>it.
Where things get complicated is when some sparks who can't be arsed
going out to the van or down the depot for some red or brown single
cable use black for everything. That in itself isn't actually ruled out,
but there must be adequate marking on cable ends.
You'd shudder at the thought of living in some of the houses I've come
across - some of them wired by so-called professional sparks. The diy
bodges are fucking priceless, some of them.[1] [2]
> Having played with such things (and I know you've done a lot more
>than I have) I treat all the fuckers as live until proof positive that
>they bloody aren't. Bzzzt.
Too right - first rule of survival. You just don't know what some
fuckwit has done before you got there.
[1] Howsabout a 'leccy shower that never worked from the day the owners
bought the house? On investigation, I found the shower was supposed to
be fed by the water mains, and the tank feed pressure wasn't enough to
enable the 'low pressure' safety switch - the effect of this was the
shower stayed switched off.
Just as well it did, really, because the shower feed was wired in 2.5mm
T&E. Lovely - a nice long bar heater going all the way across the loft
space and down the wall to the 'box.
[2] This one I've related before, but it's worth the repeating...
An old boy brought back from Serf Effrica, as some sort of bizarre
souvenir, a heated toilet seat. Fine, you might say, as long as it's
12volts, what's the problem.
This one wasn't - it was mains voltage, and it was kind of threadbare,
and it was plugged in to an adjacent wall socket in the fucking bathroom
(which used to be a small bedroom). To crown this attempt in the Darwin
Handicap Hurdle, I discovered the fusebox was of the old type with some
ancient Siemens cartridge fuses - not an RCD in sight. Chummy would have
been blown to Kingdom Come, arse first.
>
>Wise move, as house leccy is AC the difference between live and nuetral
>is not important both will shoot through you into earth.
Neutral is grounded at the suppliers end, so is effectively at earth
potential in the house. There might be a floating neutral introduced
when a connection goes dodgy, and it can lead to neutral being at mains
potential simply because the neutral lead then becomes part of the live
circuitry until the fault is cleared.
Your blanket assertion, otoh, is bollocks, although it pays to test
before touching.
I find turning off at the mains 2 hours before emptying works wonders.
--
Ginge [at] stopthevoices [dot] org [dot] uk
- ZRX1200R, SZR660
I hope you know this will go down on your permanent record.
Significantly higher purchase price, running costs and impossible to
repair if anything goes wrong.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300
VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - Nissan Primera 2.0SLXi - COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #
> On 15 Apr 2004 04:54:45 -0700, gaffne...@hotmail.com (ickle
> Grainger) wrote:
>
>>Decorating when the weather's nice sucks dead dogs arses, but
>>defrosting freezers sucks harder.
>
> Defrosting freezers? Piece of piss.
>
> Empty freezer and turn off at mains. Prepare bowl, old towels,
> bolster chisel and hairdryer.
*cough*
Isn't there something missing?
--
Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3
> >Looked at the pics of the deed itself earlier - my god, Petrolcan must
> >have had some workout shearing that lot off!
>
> He's a man that rises to a challenge ...
;-)
--
Michael
r1100rs|cb350sg|pc50|mk2 16v|
'fot#125 | twa#5 | flo#10 | cosoc#1
taken from behind by mattg
> It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember joe parkin
> <joeparki...@btinternet.com> saying something like:
>
>>
>>Wise move, as house leccy is AC the difference between live and nuetral
>>is not important both will shoot through you into earth.
>
> Neutral is grounded at the suppliers end, so is effectively at earth
> potential in the house.
Fascinating. I'm *sure* I remeber being taught that there was always
potential twixt neutral and earth. Just goes to show
>Pip wrote:
>> Empty freezer and turn off at mains. Prepare bowl, old towels,
>> bolster chisel and hairdryer.
>
>*cough*
>
>Isn't there something missing?
Cold water plays merry hell with yer discs, mate.
Or would you prefer use of a Gixer Thou?
So you can touch earth and neutral at the same time and not get a
shock?
Sorry, I am wrong the neutral has no pd between it and earth. The live
is alternatively positive and negative relative to the neutral. The
supply is 3 phase with single phase going to houses. Noone should touch
neutral and rely on not getting a shock.
You are correct, but people have to be wary of relying on not getting a
shock when touching neutral.
>Because it is tied to earth back at the leccy station. The nuetral AND
>the live will kill you if you touch it and earth.
>I never said nuetral will not electrocute you, I said both will
Neutral won't. If you're daft enough to grab both at the same time, then
you deserve all you get.
Try 440v - a helluva rush.
Isn't that effectively what you do if you just touch neutral without
wearing your wellies?
--
gomez
Honda VFR,KTM 640LC Enduro
(not is hot to reply)
"The best tool for the job is the hammer thats nearest to hand"
>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:28:28 GMT, Catman
><cat...@cuore-rustsportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Pip wrote:
>
>>> Empty freezer and turn off at mains. Prepare bowl, old towels,
>>> bolster chisel and hairdryer.
>>
>>*cough*
>>
>>Isn't there something missing?
>
>Cold water plays merry hell with yer discs, mate.
>
>Or would you prefer use of a Gixer Thou?
I think its a reference to an opportunity for creating some "ice
sculpture".
After numerous shocks I always use a multimeter.
>> Neutral is grounded at the suppliers end, so is effectively at earth
>> potential in the house.
>
>Fascinating. I'm *sure* I remeber being taught that there was always
>potential twixt neutral and earth. Just goes to show
Depends on the supply arrangement and the integrity of the earth
connection(s). If everything's working properly, there shouldn't be -
but aged connections, dodgy wiring practices, bad earths and leaky
appliances may conspire otherwise. Nothing's perfect, and in rural
supplies, it seems to be far from it sometimes.
Floating neutrals are a pain in the arse.
<tingle>
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:28:28 GMT, Catman
> <cat...@cuore-rustsportivo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Pip wrote:
>
>>> Empty freezer and turn off at mains. Prepare bowl, old towels,
>>> bolster chisel and hairdryer.
>>
>>*cough*
>>
>>Isn't there something missing?
>
> Cold water plays merry hell with yer discs, mate.
Now that I didn't know. It really is an education round here :)
Although I spose you could direct the nice warm exhaust......
> It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember Catman
> <cat...@cuore-rustsportivo.co.uk> saying something like:
>
>>> Neutral is grounded at the suppliers end, so is effectively at earth
>>> potential in the house.
>>
>>Fascinating. I'm *sure* I remeber being taught that there was always
>>potential twixt neutral and earth. Just goes to show
>
> Depends on the supply arrangement and the integrity of the earth
> connection(s). If everything's working properly, there shouldn't be -
> but aged connections, dodgy wiring practices, bad earths and leaky
> appliances may conspire otherwise. Nothing's perfect, and in rural
> supplies, it seems to be far from it sometimes.
>
> Floating neutrals are a pain in the arse.
> <tingle>
>
Noted for futrue shock avoidance. TYVM
Apologies for the bad form! I replied to your email last night saying
that I wasn't interested but it turns out that I am, talked to the SO
this morning and she's keen.
I'll be in touch today about it, just wanted to stop it going elsewhere
if at all possible.
--
Steve
GSX-R750 - woo hoo!
BOTAFOT #136
>Trade paint is definitely the way to go
My next door neighbour in England has a trade counter, so I just
stroll over in the evening, tell him what I want, and he pops it round
the following evening. Perfect scenario.
--
Ben Blaney
I tried that one, but himself hates DIY and has a tendancy of starting a job
and only finishing it several years later in a rush. So I'm now learning
how to wallpaper, and the DIY is currently in a state of
suspension......with the fireplace in pieces in the lounge, the bedroom wall
several different colours of paint and bare wall. But I did finish painting
the small bedroom!
--
Jen
R1 2004
There will be due to resistance in the wires, but it will be single
digit volts at worst, and won't supply much current.
--
ZX7RR.
Nah, like 120v type potential. Still it was a few years ago now.
--
Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21
>I am the proud owner of
>a SWMBO, who insists that it's a man's duty to do decorating and other DIY,
I had a wife like that. Eventually she gave up trying to knock me
into shape and divorced me.
--
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com
>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:27:38 +0100, "Oldbloke"
><dann...@yodanet.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I am the proud owner of
>>a SWMBO, who insists that it's a man's duty to do decorating and other DIY,
>
>I had a wife like that. Eventually she gave up trying to knock me
>into shape and divorced me.
Heh. When will they learn that we can't be changed in the long term,
eh?
--
Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom)
GSX-R1000K3, CB400F2
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, UKRMSPC#1, DFV#8, BOTCdV#1
>On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:36:13 +0100, Champ <uk...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:27:38 +0100, "Oldbloke"
>><dann...@yodanet.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>I am the proud owner of
>>>a SWMBO, who insists that it's a man's duty to do decorating and other DIY,
>>
>>I had a wife like that. Eventually she gave up trying to knock me
>>into shape and divorced me.
>
>Heh. When will they learn that we can't be changed in the long term,
>eh?
"A man and a woman meet and fall in love.
The man expects the woman to stay as she is, but she changes
The woman expects the man to change, but he stays the same"
It would be funny if it wasn't tragic.