> >On Jun 2, 12:35 pm, Grimly Curmudgeon <grim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:26:46 +0000 (UTC), c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
> >> >Lidl 15W40 is good stuff and suitable for most petrol engines.
> >> >Renault, OTOH, specify an expensive synth for their turbo diesel vans,
> >> >for 20k service intervals.

> >> As you would expect for an oil with a long drop interval.
> >> I don't trust long drop oils anyway - not so much for the loss of
> >> lubricity, but the heavy loading of soot and shit over 20K. I prefer
> >> to change at 6K for cars/vans, 3K for m'cycles.

> >3k - you must be minted.

> >I change mine when it looks manky or when it affects the gearchange.
> >This can be between 3 or 6k miles, depending on use.

> >Mr Honda seems to think his vehicles can cope with a 6K service
> >interval, so I mostly stick with that.

> My car is a year/20K miles and that's what it gets, apart from a flush
> through at 1K after the submarine incident.

> > > On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:57:23 -0500, Mark
> > > Olson<ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:

> > > > For some years, I have been using diesel truck fleet oils such
> > > > as Shell Rotella 15W-40, Chevron Delo 400 15W-40, Mobil Delvac
> > > > 1300 15W-40, etc.  in my bikes with good results.

> > > Ding.
> > > Cheapest way to buy oil, from my experience, is to purchase a
> > > decent sized drum of plant/contractor oil of good make. Rotella
> > > has been around for decades and has a bloody good track record,
> > > especially in hard-working machines driven into the ground by
> > > unsympathetic site-jockeys.

> > 15W-40 is great in the summer, but it doesn't meet the spec for
> > winter driving on many of the newer desiel vehicles , wether this
> > is a manufacturers ploy or not i will leave others to decide

> 1) The 15W-40 oils (sold for diesel fleet service) I described are
> meant primarily for HGVs/artics.

> 2) The owner's manual for my FJR tells me 15W-40 is OK to use at
> temperatures as low as 0° C. I do very little riding at below
> freezing temperatures.

> 3) Whether 15W-40 oils are inappropriate for other vehicles in winter
> driving has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on using it in my bike.

> Why did you even mention it?

>> On 6/2/2012 6:46 AM, steve robinson wrote:
>>> Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

>>>> On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 09:57:23 -0500, Mark
>>>> Olson<ols...@tiny.invalid> wrote:

>>>>> For some years, I have been using diesel truck fleet oils such
>>>>> as Shell Rotella 15W-40, Chevron Delo 400 15W-40, Mobil Delvac
>>>>> 1300 15W-40, etc.  in my bikes with good results.
>>>> Ding.
>>>> Cheapest way to buy oil, from my experience, is to purchase a
>>>> decent sized drum of plant/contractor oil of good make. Rotella
>>>> has been around for decades and has a bloody good track record,
>>>> especially in hard-working machines driven into the ground by
>>>> unsympathetic site-jockeys.
>>> 15W-40 is great in the summer, but it doesn't meet the spec for
>>> winter driving on many of the newer desiel vehicles , wether this
>>> is a manufacturers ploy or not i will leave others to decide
>> 1) The 15W-40 oils (sold for diesel fleet service) I described are
>> meant primarily for HGVs/artics.
> But your  using them in your bike

>> 3) Whether 15W-40 oils are inappropriate for other vehicles in winter
>> driving has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on using it in my bike.

>> Why did you even mention it?