Thatcher down

[Charlie]

Following a stroke.

[ogden]

Charlie wrote:
>
> Following a stroke.

Ding dong, the witch is dead

--
ogden

990SMT - bouncy orange tractor
GSXR1000 - vintage sports-tourer

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:53:24 +0100, Charlie <nos...@all.ta> wrote:

>Following a stroke.

<digs out grave-dancing ceilidh shoes>

After you, old chap.

[Wicked Uncle Nigel]

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Charlie
<nos...@all.ta> typed
>Following a stroke.

Good.

--
Wicked Uncle Nigel SBS#39 - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

Contains moderate bullshit and simulated opinions.

[YTC#1]

On 04/ 8/13 12:53 PM, Charlie wrote:
> Following a stroke.

http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/

The lady is not for returning :-)

[Wicked Uncle Nigel]

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, sweller
<swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> typed

>Charlie wrote:
>
>>
>> Following a stroke.
>

>The grave will have to be reinforced and well drained.

You know that memorial fountain for Di they have in a park in London?
They could have something similar for Thatcher.

Wouldn't need a pump...

[ogden]

Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
>
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Charlie
> <nos...@all.ta> typed
> >Following a stroke.
>
> Good.

Well it wouldn't make much sense the other way round, would it?

[ogden]

sweller wrote:
>
> Charlie wrote:
>
> >
> > Following a stroke.
>
> The grave will have to be reinforced and well drained.

Heh. Took me a moment there.

[Hog]

I expect she was glad to sign off after witnessing what passes for a
Politician these days

--
Hog

Ducati ST4S GasGas 250 Raga

[YTC#1]

On 04/ 8/13 12:53 PM, Charlie wrote:
> Following a stroke.

Ahh, thanks be for George Galloway, I don't always agree with him but at
least he speaks his mind and sticks to his guns.

"Tramp the dirt down."

[Percy Flage]

On 08/04/2013 12:53, Charlie wrote:
> Following a stroke.

She was never as good as when she was with thatSonny.

--
Percy Flage
"Life is too short to have to explain everyday."

[Andy B]

Wicked Uncle Nigel <w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:

> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, sweller
> <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> typed
> >Charlie wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Following a stroke.
> >
> >The grave will have to be reinforced and well drained.
>
> You know that memorial fountain for Di they have in a park in London?
> They could have something similar for Thatcher.
>
> Wouldn't need a pump...

I want to know if everyone is going to throw flowers or lumps of coal
off motorway bridges as the hearse passes underneath.

[Eiron]

You mean Mark will drive the hearse from London to St. Paul's?

--
Eiron.

[petrolcan]

In article <asg5nl...@mid.individual.net>, Percy Flage says...

>
> On 08/04/2013 12:53, Charlie wrote:
> > Following a stroke.
>
> She was never as good as when she was with thatSonny.

Heh.

[genuine_froggie]

In article <J8CdnTwQNcA6Mv_M...@bt.com>,

Charlie <nos...@all.ta> wrote:

> Following a stroke.

Quite amusing to see the British papers lambast 'the left' for its
reaction. What 'left' would that be? The Labour Party?

D.

--
des
Surly Long Haul Trucker (2008)
Surly Long Haul Trucker (2013)

[Mups]

In article <J8CdnTwQNcA6Mv_M...@bt.com>, Charlie says...
>
> Following a stroke.

Well love her or hate her she was one of the most influential
politicians of our generation and IMHO much preferable to the current
sorry lot.

--
Mups

[The Older Gentleman]

Agreed. With the exception of Boris.


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[Adie]

I think its very sad that a large amount of folks who weren't even
alive when she was in power are celebrating her demise.
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BOB#15 ex-UKRMMA#22 BOMB#11

[Mups]

In article <1l10xzg.1ei3r8nlxpxhcN%totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk>, The
Older Gentleman says...

>
> Mups <mu...@churchstone.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <J8CdnTwQNcA6Mv_M...@bt.com>, Charlie says...
> > >
> > > Following a stroke.
> >
> > Well love her or hate her she was one of the most influential
> > politicians of our generation and IMHO much preferable to the current
> > sorry lot.
>
> Agreed. With the exception of Boris.

Not sure about Boris, while he's good for comedy value and he's
obviously a very intelligent person, I'm not sure what his real
political views are and how far to the right he is.

--
Mups

[ogden]

mu...@churchstone.com wrote:
>
> Not sure about Boris, while he's good for comedy value and he's
> obviously a very intelligent person, I'm not sure what his real
> political views are and how far to the right he is.

Did you not see the Michael Cockerell documentary, or the Eddy Mair
interview?

--
ogden

[Colin Irvine]

On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:06:40 +0100, Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:46:36 +0100, Mups <mu...@churchstone.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <J8CdnTwQNcA6Mv_M...@bt.com>, Charlie says...
>>>
>>> Following a stroke.
>>
>>Well love her or hate her she was one of the most influential
>>politicians of our generation and IMHO much preferable to the current
>>sorry lot.
>
>I think its very sad that a large amount of folks who weren't even
>alive when she was in power are celebrating her demise.

I think it's very sad that a large number of people who were alive
when she was in power are mourning her death.

--
Colin Irvine
ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5
http://www.colinandpat.co.uk

[ogden]

lo...@colinandpat.co.uk/Contact/ wrote:
>
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:06:40 +0100, Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:46:36 +0100, Mups <mu...@churchstone.com> wrote:
> >
> >>In article <J8CdnTwQNcA6Mv_M...@bt.com>, Charlie says...
> >>>
> >>> Following a stroke.
> >>
> >>Well love her or hate her she was one of the most influential
> >>politicians of our generation and IMHO much preferable to the current
> >>sorry lot.
> >
> >I think its very sad that a large amount of folks who weren't even
> >alive when she was in power are celebrating her demise.
>
> I think it's very sad that a large number of people who were alive
> when she was in power are mourning her death.

Gorgeous George has been good value today.

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway

This was one of the highlights

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/321268272853037057

--
ogden

[Hog]

Colin Irvine wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:06:40 +0100, Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:46:36 +0100, Mups <mu...@churchstone.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <J8CdnTwQNcA6Mv_M...@bt.com>, Charlie
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Following a stroke.
>>>
>>> Well love her or hate her she was one of the most influential
>>> politicians of our generation and IMHO much preferable to the
>>> current sorry lot.
>>
>> I think its very sad that a large amount of folks who weren't even
>> alive when she was in power are celebrating her demise.
>
> I think it's very sad that a large number of people who were alive
> when she was in power are mourning her death.

While she made 3 monumental fuckups thank goodness she did come along at the
time. I remember the alternatives. Least Worst Option.

[Mups]

In article <MPG.2bcd26cc8...@news.eternal-september.org>,
ogden says...

Briefly read about it, but there didn't seem to be any earth shattering
revelations.

He made stuff up as a journalist and tried to cover up an affair.

--
Mups

[Hog]

Considering the number of people who would like to see him in the grave the
irony is most amusing

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:21:52 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:

>This was one of the highlights
>
>https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/321268272853037057

I see the mouth-breating, council-house-buying, loadsamoney,
turbo-nutter shitbags are out in force, then.
One thing I will never forgive the old hag for, is the destruction of
large areas of society. Some things needed sorted, sure, but the way
the lead-footed harridan went about it was utterly despicable.

[ogden]

There was more than that.

--
ogden

[Hog]

TBF the far left and the Argies were asking for it.

Most of the Miners OTOH, not.
Then there was the poll tax
Then there was poor regulation of the City

[Hog]

boots wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:08:25 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, Mups says:
>
>> Not sure about Boris, while he's good for comedy value and he's
>> obviously a very intelligent person, I'm not sure what his real
>> political views are and how far to the right he is.
>

> Somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan

Boris?
He's a fucking Blairite liberal at best :o)

[Hog]

boots wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:17:35 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, Hog says:
>
> [Thatcher]

>> I remember the alternatives. Least Worst Option.
>

> That would be pretty much my take on it. The years running up to the
> Tory government of 1979 weren't a bed of roses by any means.

Ding

and never mind the Communists, remember Heath FFS

[ogden]

gri...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> One thing I will never forgive the old hag for, is the destruction of
> large areas of society.

But there was no such thing! How could she be accused of destroying
something that manifestly didn't exist?

> Some things needed sorted, sure, but the way
> the lead-footed harridan went about it was utterly despicable.

That's pretty much my take on it too. Never trust an ideologue,
especially one who keeps shitty company like she did. Pinochet a
gentleman, Mandela a terrorist. Tells you all you need to know.

--
ogden

[ogden]

SPAM...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
> TBF the far left and the Argies were asking for it.
>
> Most of the Miners OTOH, not.
> Then there was the poll tax
> Then there was poor regulation of the City

What about the squandering of oil wealth buying votes? That has to come
in the top ten.

--
ogden

[TMack]

On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:53:24 +0100, Charlie wrote:

> Following a stroke.

A good day to bury bad news.

--

[Salad Dodger]

"Hog" <SPAM...@CHIPShotmail.co.uk>

>
> Most of the Miners OTOH, not.

For generations we were told that mining was underpaid, dangerous, dirty,
demeaning, unhealthy, and life-shortening.

At a stroke (heh) she said " fixed that for you" .

Did she get any thanks?

Did she buggery.
--
SD

[Salad Dodger]

Well, he was. He was attempting to overthrow a government by force.

The comment was made in the era of fairly regular IRA social faux pas.
--
SD

[Andy B]

Colin Irvine <lo...@colinandpat.co.uk/Contact/> wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:06:40 +0100, Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:46:36 +0100, Mups <mu...@churchstone.com> wrote:
> >
> >>In article <J8CdnTwQNcA6Mv_M...@bt.com>, Charlie says...
> >>>
> >>> Following a stroke.
> >>
> >>Well love her or hate her she was one of the most influential
> >>politicians of our generation and IMHO much preferable to the current
> >>sorry lot.
> >
> >I think its very sad that a large amount of folks who weren't even
> >alive when she was in power are celebrating her demise.
>
> I think it's very sad that a large number of people who were alive
> when she was in power are mourning her death.

These would be the ones that voted for her then turned against her when
it became fashionable to hate her? The same ones that got a big fat
discount on their council house and by purchasing that house deprived
others of the opportunity to have a roof over their head and then cried
like babies because she tried to tax them on the value of their house.

Stinking fucking hypocrites the whole bastard lot of them.

[Andy B]

That isn't a solar flare going off over North Korea....

[Andy B]

Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:46:36 +0100, Mups <mu...@churchstone.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <J8CdnTwQNcA6Mv_M...@bt.com>, Charlie says...
> >>
> >> Following a stroke.
> >
> >Well love her or hate her she was one of the most influential
> >politicians of our generation and IMHO much preferable to the current
> >sorry lot.
>
> I think its very sad that a large amount of folks who weren't even
> alive when she was in power are celebrating her demise.

She was an evil bitch who destroyed British manufacturing and for that
I've got a good reason to hate her.

If I have to say something good about her it'd be that she didnt hide
her hatred for the unions and the working man which is more than you can
say for blair.

[Charlie]

On 08/04/2013 20:43, Hog wrote:
> Then there was poor regulation of the City
>

OFFS! The City was very effectively regulated - although we didn't much
like it (!) - until Gordy Broon handed oversight of the banks to the
Keystone Gestapo, the FSA, in 2001, under the chairmanship of that
ineffable arse-kissing idiot, Howard Davies. While the Bank of England
had control, it all worked well.

When the FSA took over, however, management was handed to ambitious and
incompetent, box-ticking spivs like James Crosby and Andy Hornby (HBOS),
Adam Applegarth (Northern Rock) and Fred Goodwin (RBS) - none of whom
knew the basics of banking, and who thought they were simply businesses
to be sweated.

Had the Bank of England retained regulation of the banks, the credit
crunch and the collapse of would simply not have happened. Sure, the 2
Jock banks would not have grown so impossibly large so absurdly fast -
but they would not have fallen, either, and Lloyds would not have
collapsed after being forced to taken HBOS over. One day a dispassionate
history will be written, and most of the blame will be dumped on Gordy
Broon.

Blame Thatcher for many things, but not that.

[Colin Irvine]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:55:54 +0000 (UTC), TMack <qw...@yuiop.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:53:24 +0100, Charlie wrote:
>
>> Following a stroke.
>
>A good day to bury bad news.

Heh.

[Champ]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:26:38 +0000, sp...@bonwick.me.uk (Andy B) wrote:

>I want to know if everyone is going to throw flowers or lumps of coal
>off motorway bridges as the hearse passes underneath.

Where the fuck can you get a lump of coal nowadays?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

[Champ]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:08:25 +0100, Mups <mu...@churchstone.com> wrote:

>Not sure about Boris, while he's good for comedy value and he's

>obviously a very intelligent person...

Obviously intelligent?

I've never seen anyone make such an effort to appear stupid. I was
genuinely shocked when I found out he had a double first in classics
from Oxbridge.

What on earth is 'obvious' about his intelligence?

[Champ]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:48:52 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:

>Never trust an ideologue,
>especially one who keeps shitty company like she did. Pinochet a
>gentleman, Mandela a terrorist. Tells you all you need to know.

*ding*

[Champ]

On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:06:40 +0100, Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:

>I think its very sad that a large amount of folks who weren't even
>alive when she was in power are celebrating her demise.

Who? Who are these folks?

Can I be excused, because I definitely hated her back when she was in
power.

[Champ]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:55:54 +0000 (UTC), TMack <qw...@yuiop.com>
wrote:

>A good day to bury bad news.

<applause>

[Champ]

On 8 Apr 2013 20:43:14 GMT, Salad Dodger <addre...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>> Gorgeous George has been good value today.

>> This was one of the highlights
>>
>> https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/321268272853037057

>Well, he was. He was attempting to overthrow a government by force.
>
>The comment was made in the era of fairly regular IRA social faux pas.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

[Salad Dodger]

Exactly.
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TS185c.

[Mups]

In article <nte6m8tm4pqt9ps9k...@4ax.com>,
ne...@champ.org.uk says...

For the very reasons you've stated. He always acts the buffoon yet you
know he isn't really and you don't get a double first from oxbridge by
being a bit thick.


--
Mups

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:48:52 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:

>> One thing I will never forgive the old hag for, is the destruction of
>> large areas of society.
>
>But there was no such thing! How could she be accused of destroying
>something that manifestly didn't exist?

"Society doesn't exist."
By the time she said that, it was true in many areas; because of her.

[Eiron]

On 08/04/2013 23:04, Mups wrote:
> In article <nte6m8tm4pqt9ps9k...@4ax.com>,
> ne...@champ.org.uk says...

>> What on earth is 'obvious' about his intelligence?
>
> For the very reasons you've stated. He always acts the buffoon yet you
> know he isn't really and you don't get a double first from oxbridge by
> being a bit thick.

Wikipedia says he got an upper second, and Classics is an easy option.

--
Eiron.

[Fraser Johnston]

On 8/04/13 8:12 PM, Wicked Uncle Nigel wrote:
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, sweller
> <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> typed

>> Charlie wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Following a stroke.
>>

>> The grave will have to be reinforced and well drained.
>
> You know that memorial fountain for Di they have in a park in London?
> They could have something similar for Thatcher.
>
> Wouldn't need a pump...
>

Just a pub nearby.

--

Fraser

[Fraser Johnston]

On 9/04/13 3:06 AM, Adie wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:46:36 +0100, Mups <mu...@churchstone.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <J8CdnTwQNcA6Mv_M...@bt.com>, Charlie says...
>>>
>>> Following a stroke.
>>
>> Well love her or hate her she was one of the most influential
>> politicians of our generation and IMHO much preferable to the current
>> sorry lot.
>

> I think its very sad that a large amount of folks who weren't even
> alive when she was in power are celebrating her demise.
>

Hitler and Stalin's death always bring a smile to my face. And they
died before I was born.

--

Fraser

[Fraser Johnston]

Morrisey called the IRA freedom fighters in this letter about MTs death.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/morrissey-margaret-thatcher-was-barbaric-20130408

What a fuckwit.

--

Fraser

[The Older Gentleman]

Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> What on earth is 'obvious' about his intelligence?

The fact that he hides it so well.

The man is very, *very* clever.


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[The Older Gentleman]

Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:48:52 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>
> >Never trust an ideologue,
> >especially one who keeps shitty company like she did. Pinochet a
> >gentleman, Mandela a terrorist. Tells you all you need to know.
>
> *ding*

You could say much the same about Blair.

[TMack]

On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 07:16:21 +0100, The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> What on earth is 'obvious' about his intelligence?
>
> The fact that he hides it so well.
>
> The man is very, *very* clever.

Don't confuse intellect with cunning. He is bright but he hasn't got a
towering intellect. He is a devious, self-serving creep who has had the
benefits of money, power and charisma. He has a lot in common with
Burlusconi - an amoral, charismatic semi-sociopath who conceals his
ruthless ambition beneath a veneer of charm. He is completely
untrustworthy and could be very dangerous. He really doesn't give a toss
about anybody but himself and would sacrifice anybody and anything on the
altar of his ambition.

--
Tony

[TMack]

On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 07:16:21 +0100, The Older Gentleman wrote:

> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:48:52 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>>
>> >Never trust an ideologue,
>> >especially one who keeps shitty company like she did. Pinochet a
>> >gentleman, Mandela a terrorist. Tells you all you need to know.
>>
>> *ding*
>
> You could say much the same about Blair.

And your point is?

--
Tony

[Andy B]

Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:26:38 +0000, sp...@bonwick.me.uk (Andy B) wrote:
>
> >I want to know if everyone is going to throw flowers or lumps of coal
> >off motorway bridges as the hearse passes underneath.
>
> Where the fuck can you get a lump of coal nowadays?

South Wales.

[The Older Gentleman]

Er, yes, quite.

[nicknoxx]

You're right. Only last week I saw a lorry delivering coal in sacks to
the citizens of Monmouth.

[Charlie]

On 08/04/2013 22:52, Champ wrote:

> I've never seen anyone make such an effort to appear stupid. I was
> genuinely shocked when I found out he had a double first in classics
> from Oxbridge.
>
> What on earth is 'obvious' about his intelligence?

He was a King's Scholar at Eton, which is a big deal, and won a
scholarship to Balliol, whereas Cameron (for example) got neither. He is
both exceptionally clever and ambitious. Dubya Bush also made every
effort to appear stupid, although he's clearly a far better actor than
Boris, but you don't get to Yale by being stupid. Dubya was sly,
devious, self-serving, mendacious and unprincipled, but never as stupid
as he was painted.

Boris' easy intellect is apparent in such things as his TV programmes on
the classical era, where he has nothing to prove beyond his love of the
subject. The blustering Dulux dog routine of the political Boris is very
tiresome, but clearly utterly calculated. I'm sure he is, when relaxed
among proven friends, vibrant and delightful company.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 06:40:33 +0000 (UTC), TMack <qw...@yuiop.com>
wrote:

>Don't confuse intellect with cunning. He is bright but he hasn't got a
>towering intellect. He is a devious, self-serving creep who has had the
>benefits of money, power and charisma. He has a lot in common with
>Burlusconi - an amoral, charismatic semi-sociopath who conceals his
>ruthless ambition beneath a veneer of charm. He is completely
>untrustworthy and could be very dangerous. He really doesn't give a toss
>about anybody but himself and would sacrifice anybody and anything on the
>altar of his ambition.

+10

[ogden]

The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:48:52 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
> >
> > >Never trust an ideologue,
> > >especially one who keeps shitty company like she did. Pinochet a
> > >gentleman, Mandela a terrorist. Tells you all you need to know.
> >
> > *ding*
>
> You could say much the same about Blair.

There's a difference. I was happy to see Thatcher dead, I'd rather see
Blair in the Hague.

--
ogden

990SMT - bouncy orange tractor
GSXR1000 - vintage sports-tourer

[ogden]

Fraser Johnston wrote:
>
> Morrisey called the IRA freedom fighters in this letter about MTs
death.

Morrisey in making stupid statement non-shocker.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 09:36:42 +0100, Charlie <nos...@all.ta> wrote:

>Dubya Bush also made every
>effort to appear stupid, although he's clearly a far better actor than
>Boris, but you don't get to Yale by being stupid. Dubya was sly,
>devious, self-serving, mendacious and unprincipled, but never as stupid
>as he was painted.

Dubya also suffered from years of self-induced alcohol and drug brain
damage.

[CT]

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

> "Society doesn't exist."
> By the time she said that, it was true in many areas; because of her.

"...there is no such thing as society. There is living tapestry of men
and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of
our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take
responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and
help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate.’"

--
Chris

[DozynSleepy]

On 08/04/13 23:00, Andy B wrote:
> Colin Irvine <lo...@colinandpat.co.uk/Contact/> wrote:

>
>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:06:40 +0100, Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:46:36 +0100, Mups <mu...@churchstone.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <J8CdnTwQNcA6Mv_M...@bt.com>, Charlie says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Following a stroke.
>>>>
>>>> Well love her or hate her she was one of the most influential
>>>> politicians of our generation and IMHO much preferable to the current
>>>> sorry lot.
>>>
>>> I think its very sad that a large amount of folks who weren't even
>>> alive when she was in power are celebrating her demise.
>>

>> I think it's very sad that a large number of people who were alive
>> when she was in power are mourning her death.
>
> These would be the ones that voted for her then turned against her when
> it became fashionable to hate her? The same ones that got a big fat
> discount on their council house and by purchasing that house deprived
> others of the opportunity to have a roof over their head and then cried
> like babies because she tried to tax them on the value of their house.
>
> Stinking fucking hypocrites the whole bastard lot of them.
>

Anyone who isn't in the "Elite" social class who voted Conservative and
elected this government deserves everything they get.

--
DozynSleepy

[YTC#1]

On 04/ 9/13 09:36 AM, Charlie wrote:
> On 08/04/2013 22:52, Champ wrote:
>
>> I've never seen anyone make such an effort to appear stupid. I was
>> genuinely shocked when I found out he had a double first in classics
>> from Oxbridge.
>>
>> What on earth is 'obvious' about his intelligence?
>
> He was a King's Scholar at Eton, which is a big deal, and won a
> scholarship to Balliol, whereas Cameron (for example) got neither. He is

It is only a big deal to those that care about it.

> both exceptionally clever and ambitious. Dubya Bush also made every
> effort to appear stupid, although he's clearly a far better actor than
> Boris, but you don't get to Yale by being stupid. Dubya was sly,

Or by being poor (getting into Yale)

[Wicked Uncle Nigel]

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Salad Dodger
<salad....@idnet.com> typed

>On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:57:17 +0100, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 8 Apr 2013 20:43:14 GMT, Salad Dodger <addre...@invalid.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>> Gorgeous George has been good value today.
>>
>>>> This was one of the highlights
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/321268272853037057
>>
>>>Well, he was. He was attempting to overthrow a government by force.
>>>
>>>The comment was made in the era of fairly regular IRA social faux pas.
>>
>>One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
>
>Exactly.

It is worth pointing out that the government he was trying to overthrow
was not democratically elected.

--
Wicked Uncle Nigel SBS#39 - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

Contains moderate bullshit and simulated opinions.

[ogden]

DozynSleepy wrote:
>
> Anyone who isn't in the "Elite" social class who voted Conservative
and
> elected this government deserves everything they get.

I was pleased to see the last Labour government voted out, as they'd
developed (or revealed) an authoritarian streak a mile wide. I wasn't
happy to see this bunch voted in though.

Such is the delight of a two-party system.

[ogden]

> help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate.?"

Proof that rabid ideologues don't necessarily know how to use a
dictionary.

[Paul Carmichael]

Champ wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:06:40 +0100, Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>I think its very sad that a large amount of folks who weren't even
>>alive when she was in power are celebrating her demise.
>

> Who? Who are these folks?
>
> Can I be excused, because I definitely hated her back when she was in
> power.

Did she take your school milk away when she was in Education? I seem to
remember she got more stick for that than for shutting Scargill down.

Heh. I was Fatcher Yoof. I was a member of a Conservative club, where they
had a picture of Her Maginess alongside the one of Her Lizziness.

I wasn't a miner. I was a "small business proprietor" aka self-employed
mechanic.

There is similarly a running dispute here regarding a certain Francisco
Franco. Mind, Spain is and was full of bickering siblings that needed (and
still need) ruling with an iron fist. The current lot aren't near enough
right wing to sort this mess out.

--
Paul.
CBR1100XX SuperBlackbird (Buen mueble de patio), Orbea Dakar, Legs
BOTAFOT #4 BOTAFOF #30 MRO #24 OMF #15 UKRMMA #30
http://paulc.es/

[Paul Carmichael]

Colin Irvine wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 20:06:40 +0100, Adie <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>

>>On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:46:36 +0100, Mups <mu...@churchstone.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <J8CdnTwQNcA6Mv_M...@bt.com>, Charlie says...
>>>>
>>>> Following a stroke.
>>>
>>>Well love her or hate her she was one of the most influential
>>>politicians of our generation and IMHO much preferable to the current
>>>sorry lot.
>>

>>I think its very sad that a large amount of folks who weren't even
>>alive when she was in power are celebrating her demise.
>

> I think it's very sad that a large number of people who were alive
> when she was in power are mourning her death.
>

Mourning is silly. She was really old and she snuffed it. EOS.

[Eiron]

On 09/04/2013 13:11, Paul Carmichael wrote:

> Did she take your school milk away when she was in Education? I seem to
> remember she got more stick for that than for shutting Scargill down.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good legend.
Wilson took the milk from secondary school pupils;
Heath took it from primary schools, and Thatcher had to implement it.
And I'm grateful that they did. :-)

--
Eiron.

[Charlie]

On 09/04/2013 10:52, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 04/ 9/13 09:36 AM, Charlie wrote:

>> He was a King's Scholar at Eton, which is a big deal, and won a
>> scholarship to Balliol, whereas Cameron (for example) got neither.
>

> It is only a big deal to those that care about it.

It is a big deal only in that it is the mark of considerable
intellectual achievement, not that it a great big, shiny gong to be
bragged about or relied upon in later life.

[Grimly Curmudgeon]

On 9 Apr 2013 09:26:04 GMT, "CT" <m...@christrollen.co.uk> wrote:

>"...there is no such thing as society. There is living tapestry of men
>and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of
>our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take
>responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and
>help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate.’"

Which was priceless coming from her, given she'd put in place the
mechanisms to unleash the rotten, selfish side of human nature.
I don't believe for a minute she actually meant the latter part of
that statement.

"Fuck you, Jack; I'm all right", was about the size of it.
It put me in mind of shipwreck survivors scrambling over the heads and
backs of others to make sure their own selfish skins were saved.

[steve robinson]

Survival mode, rather be alive and slagged off for being a self cunt
than hailed a dead hero, 6 months down the line few would remember you

[Colin Irvine]

On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 10:01:07 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:

>The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>
>> Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 20:48:52 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Never trust an ideologue,
>> > >especially one who keeps shitty company like she did. Pinochet a
>> > >gentleman, Mandela a terrorist. Tells you all you need to know.
>> >
>> > *ding*
>>
>> You could say much the same about Blair.
>
>There's a difference. I was happy to see Thatcher dead, I'd rather see
>Blair in the Hague.

Absolutely.

--
Colin Irvine
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[Colin Irvine]

On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:07:42 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:

>DozynSleepy wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who isn't in the "Elite" social class who voted Conservative
>and
>> elected this government deserves everything they get.
>
>I was pleased to see the last Labour government voted out, as they'd
>developed (or revealed) an authoritarian streak a mile wide. I wasn't
>happy to see this bunch voted in though.

Ding! I think I'll just let you post for me from now on.

[Thomas]

On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 09:26:54 -0700, wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 12:07:42 +0100, ogden <og...@pre.org> wrote:
>
> Ding! I think I'll just let you post for me from now on.

<clutches heart>
Somebody call a medic!

[The Older Gentleman]

YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:

> > He was a King's Scholar at Eton, which is a big deal, and won a
> > scholarship to Balliol, whereas Cameron (for example) got neither. He is
>
> It is only a big deal to those that care about it.

No. You don't win those by being thick, or even moderately intelligent,
or even very intelligent. You win those by being among the small top
percentile of the cleverest people in the country.

[Ian Field]

"Charlie" <nos...@all.ta> wrote in message
news:J8CdnTwQNcA6Mv_M...@bt.com...
> Following a stroke.

Would've been a stroke of luck for all of us if it'd happened a few decades
ago.

[Ian Field]

"sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:asfpno...@mid.individual.net...
> Charlie wrote:
>
>>
>> Following a stroke.
>
> The grave will have to be reinforced and well drained.

Landfill?

[Ian Field]

"ogden" <og...@pre.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.2bce06dc8...@news.eternal-september.org...

> DozynSleepy wrote:
>>
>> Anyone who isn't in the "Elite" social class who voted Conservative
> and
>> elected this government deserves everything they get.
>
> I was pleased to see the last Labour government voted out,

Gordon clown definitely made his mark.

as they'd
> developed (or revealed) an authoritarian streak a mile wide. I wasn't
> happy to see this bunch voted in though.

Not exactly like they have a clear mandate for what they're doing.

[ogden]

Ian Field wrote:
>
> > I wasn't
> > happy to see this bunch voted in though.
>
>
> Not exactly like they have a clear mandate for what they're doing.

And that was exactly what I told LD central office when they asked why I
hadn't renewed my membership. "You're meant to rein in their worst
excesses, not prop them up. The coalition was for stability, not a
synthetic mandate to tear the country apart", or words to that effect.

[ogden]

To cope with the dancing and pissing, you fool.

[Mups]

In article <ashbuj...@mid.individual.net>, Fraser Johnston says...

>
> On 9/04/13 5:57 AM, Champ wrote:
> > On 8 Apr 2013 20:43:14 GMT, Salad Dodger <addre...@invalid.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> > One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
> >

> Morrisey called the IRA freedom fighters in this letter about MTs death.

> http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/morrissey-margaret-thatcher-was-barbaric-20130408
>
> What a fuckwit.

I think its fairly universally acknowledged that Morrisey is a bit of a
cock. And his music is rubbish.

--
Mups

[Mups]

In article <asietj...@mid.individual.net>, sweller says...
>
> Champ wrote:
>
> > > I want to know if everyone is going to throw flowers or lumps of
> > > coal off motorway bridges as the hearse passes underneath.
> >
> > Where the fuck can you get a lump of coal nowadays?
>
> The coal merchants - we still get ours delivered.

As do we. I don't know where he gets it from, Poland probably.

--
Mups

[Salad Dodger]

Wicked Uncle Nigel <w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Salad Dodger
> <salad....@idnet.com> typed
>> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:57:17 +0100, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 Apr 2013 20:43:14 GMT, Salad Dodger <addre...@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Gorgeous George has been good value today.
>>>
>>>>> This was one of the highlights
>>>>>
>>>>> https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/321268272853037057
>>>
>>>> Well, he was. He was attempting to overthrow a government by force.
>>>>
>>>> The comment was made in the era of fairly regular IRA social faux pas.
>>>
>>> One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
>>
>> Exactly.
>
> It is worth pointing out that the government he was trying to overthrow
> was not democratically elected.

It was, according to the constitution of the time.
Otherwise Disraeli and Lloyd-George, among others, never had a mandate to
rule.


--
SD

[YTC#1]

On 04/ 9/13 06:39 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> He was a King's Scholar at Eton, which is a big deal, and won a
>>> scholarship to Balliol, whereas Cameron (for example) got neither. He is
>>
>> It is only a big deal to those that care about it.
>
> No. You don't win those by being thick, or even moderately intelligent,
> or even very intelligent. You win those by being among the small top
> percentile of the cleverest people in the country.
>
>

I'll repeat my above comment "It is only a big deal to those that care
about it".

I don't care that he has it, or how he came about it, or how his
intelligence (or buffoonery) was measured.

I don't care that someone has a piece of paper form some establishment.
What I care about is their "humanness" (sp) (is it even a real word?)

[Wicked Uncle Nigel]

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Salad Dodger

<addre...@invalid.invalid> typed

>Wicked Uncle Nigel <w...@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:
>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Salad Dodger
>> <salad....@idnet.com> typed
>>

>> It is worth pointing out that the government he was trying to overthrow
>> was not democratically elected.
>
>It was, according to the constitution of the time.
>Otherwise Disraeli and Lloyd-George, among others, never had a mandate to
>rule.

It took violent action to correct that injustice too, unfortunately.

[Mups]

In article <kk1qo6$u9u$1...@dont-email.me>, YTC#1 says...

>
> I don't care that someone has a piece of paper form some establishment.
> What I care about is their "humanness" (sp) (is it even a real word?)

Humanity


--
Mups

[YTC#1]

On 04/ 9/13 08:51 PM, Paul Corfield wrote:

> On Tue, 09 Apr 2013 20:41:31 +0100, YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 04/ 9/13 06:39 PM, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>>> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> He was a King's Scholar at Eton, which is a big deal, and won a
>>>>> scholarship to Balliol, whereas Cameron (for example) got neither. He is
>>>>
>>>> It is only a big deal to those that care about it.
>>>
>>> No. You don't win those by being thick, or even moderately intelligent,
>>> or even very intelligent. You win those by being among the small top
>>> percentile of the cleverest people in the country.
>

>> I don't care that someone has a piece of paper form some establishment.
>> What I care about is their "humanness" (sp) (is it even a real word?)
>

> Do you mean his humanity?
>

Aye, you and Mups worked out what I was trying to say. I must have been
around to many yanks to have come up with "humanness"