Gave up the booze....
Nige
into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has passed my
lips.
I feel great, wide awake, not in the slightest bit tired.
Less irritable & generaly happy.
Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be honest.
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Pete Fisher
<de...@btinternet.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked
>me into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has
>passed my lips.
>
For a moment there, I thought you were referring to having a fling with
a sober posh spice.
>I feel great, wide awake, not in the slightest bit tired.
>
>Less irritable & generaly happy.
>
>Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be honest.
>
Time to give up all those other energy sapping habits now?
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Nige
> In communiqu� <7mqjokF...@mid.individual.net>, Nige
> <de...@btinternet.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>> A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked
>> me into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has
>> passed my lips.
>>
>
> For a moment there, I thought you were referring to having a fling with
> a sober posh spice.
hehehe
>
>> I feel great, wide awake, not in the slightest bit tired.
>>
>> Less irritable & generaly happy.
>>
>> Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be honest.
>>
>
> Time to give up all those other energy sapping habits now?
Wanking? NEVER!
SteveH
> A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked me
> into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has passed my
> lips.
>
> I feel great, wide awake, not in the slightest bit tired.
>
> Less irritable & generaly happy.
>
> Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be honest.
I stopped drinking on Sunday through to Thursday evenings a while ago
now.
Feels much better going into work without feeling any of the effects of
alcohol.
Although I can still put 'em away pretty well on a night out - I have
found myself increasingly shite feeling in the mornings - even after
just a couple of cans.
--
SteveH
Andy Hewitt
> A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked me
> into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has passed my
> lips.
>
> I feel great, wide awake, not in the slightest bit tired.
>
> Less irritable & generaly happy.
>
> Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be honest.
I have only just recently started drinking at home since the loss of my
missus (a perfect example of death by whisky), mostly the odd can of
Guiness. Until then I was onto 2-3 cans a night, although I could always
take or leave booze myself.
I got a bottle of red wine a couple of weeks ago, and just felt ill
after that.
No, I don't miss it either, also very much less tired all the time too.
Annoyingly enough, my cholesterol has crept up a little!
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Nige
> I have only just recently started drinking at home since the loss of my
> missus (a perfect example of death by whisky), mostly the odd can of
> Guiness. Until then I was onto 2-3 cans a night, although I could always
> take or leave booze myself.
>
> I got a bottle of red wine a couple of weeks ago, and just felt ill
> after that.
>
> No, I don't miss it either, also very much less tired all the time too.
> Annoyingly enough, my cholesterol has crept up a little!
I just thought, why bother?
I'm not aiming to stop boozing, just to knock it down a lot.
Andy Hewitt
Indeed. My reaction was very much knee-jerk at the time. Now I just have
something because I want to enjoy it.
There's nowt wrong with having a bevvie or two, but I do think you need
to be clear as to why you're having it.
Gavin
> A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked
> me into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has
> passed my lips.
>
> I feel great, wide awake, not in the slightest bit tired.
>
> Less irritable & generaly happy.
>
> Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be honest.
I gave up drinking during week nights a few years back, as it was
getting stupid, and the day after effects were getting worse, so now
only have a drink on a Friday or Saturday night.
It made a profound difference to my week, and I dont miss it at all.
Although oddly, I have starting having the odd small scotch of a night
time of late, but thats nothing to worry about.
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R C Nesbit
> A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked me
> into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has passed my
> lips.
>
> I feel great, wide awake, not in the slightest bit tired.
>
> Less irritable & generaly happy.
>
> Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be honest.
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/InTheNews/MedicalReports/Heart/1040128806.h
tml
HTH, HAND, etc. etc.
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Kevin Stone
>into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has passed my
>lips.
I gave up around 15 years ago, and I'd never go back now. The very rare
occasion I have something, it makes me feel dreadful.
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Cane
> A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked me
> into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has passed my
> lips.
>
> I feel great, wide awake, not in the slightest bit tired.
>
> Less irritable & generaly happy.
>
> Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be honest.
It's been over a year for me.
geoff
<de...@btinternet.com> writes
>A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked
>me into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has
>passed my lips.
>
>I feel great, wide awake, not in the slightest bit tired.
>
>Less irritable & generaly happy.
>
>Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be honest.
>
lost 4 kilos till now
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Andy Bonwick
If not drinking is the only change you've made and you've lost 4k in
under a week I'd say you were drinking way too much before you
stopped.
Nige
Or had a horrible incident involving lager & a bandsaw :)
Nick Brooks
snip
>
> If not drinking is the only change you've made and you've lost 4k in
> under a week I'd say you were drinking way too much before you
> stopped.
Too right. A bottle of wine contains about 500 calories and there are
about 3500 calories in a pound of fat so 4kg is equivalent to over 60
bottles of wine.
geoff
<nos...@bonwick.me.uk> writes
Yes I was
mind you with the drinking comes late night snacking, which also plays a
part
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Andy Bonwick
My biggest failing is going for beers straight from work. I know I
should go to my hotel room and watch tv when I'm away from home but I
can't be arsed.
ginge
Except alcohol consumption causes the body to retain more water, so
it's likely the gain is mostly spare fluid.
geoff
>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:08:20 +0000, geoff <ra...@kateda.org> wrote:
>
>>In message <jvcgg513j0vvroa7q...@4ax.com>, Andy Bonwick
>><nos...@bonwick.me.uk> writes
>>>On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:31:40 +0000, geoff <ra...@kateda.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <7mqjokF...@mid.individual.net>, Nige
>>>><de...@btinternet.com> writes
>>>>>A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked
>>>>>me into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has
>>>>>passed my lips.
>>>>>
>>>>>I feel great, wide awake, not in the slightest bit tired.
>>>>>
>>>>>Less irritable & generaly happy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be honest.
>>>>>
>>>>Yeah - I stopped Sunday night
>>>>
>>>>lost 4 kilos till now
>>>
>>>If not drinking is the only change you've made and you've lost 4k in
>>>under a week I'd say you were drinking way too much before you
>>>stopped.
>>
>>Yes I was
>>
>>mind you with the drinking comes late night snacking, which also plays a
>>part
>
>My biggest failing is going for beers straight from work.
And restaurant meals have a tendency not to be the healthiest option
especially living in Germany or Italy
>I know I
>should go to my hotel room and watch tv when I'm away from home but I
>can't be arsed.
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Timo Geusch
> Andy Bonwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:31:40 +0000, geoff <ra...@kateda.org> wrote:
>
>>> lost 4 kilos till now
>>
>> If not drinking is the only change you've made and you've lost 4k in
>> under a week I'd say you were drinking way too much before you
>> stopped.
>
> Or had a horrible incident involving lager & a bandsaw :)
Not that we would notice if the average poster to this place was missing
their head or not.
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geoff
Brooks <n_brooks200...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
It all has to do with water retention in the first few days, doesn't it
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"Nige" <de...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:7mqjokF...@mid.individual.net...
>A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked me
>into thinking why do i drink.
The answer is usually "Because my mates do".
>So, a week later & not a drop has passed my lips.
>
> I feel great, wide awake, not in the slightest bit tired.
Careful Nige, you could upset someone/everyone :-)
>
> Less irritable & generaly happy.
You need a drink my friend.
>
> Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be honest.
It's only been a week. Just wait.
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Nige
hehe - i'll be fine.
wessie
news:teggg5lc51q3ir9sv...@4ax.com:
only if someone has cirrhosis
with most people, alcohol causes the reverse as a hangover is a symptom of
dehydration
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geoff
<putmyn...@tesco.net> writes
>ginge <the.gin...@THISgmail.com> wrote in
>news:teggg5lc51q3ir9sv...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:11:28 +0000, Nick Brooks
>> <n_brooks200...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Andy Bonwick wrote:
>>>snip
>>>>
>>>> If not drinking is the only change you've made and you've lost 4k in
>>>> under a week I'd say you were drinking way too much before you
>>>> stopped.
>>>
>>>Too right. A bottle of wine contains about 500 calories and there are
>>>about 3500 calories in a pound of fat so 4kg is equivalent to over 60
>>>bottles of wine.
>>
>> Except alcohol consumption causes the body to retain more water, so
>> it's likely the gain is mostly spare fluid.
>
>only if someone has cirrhosis
I bloody well hope not
>
>with most people, alcohol causes the reverse as a hangover is a symptom of
>dehydration
>
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ginge
<putmyn...@tesco.net> wrote:
>ginge <the.gin...@THISgmail.com> wrote in
>news:teggg5lc51q3ir9sv...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:11:28 +0000, Nick Brooks
>> <n_brooks200...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Andy Bonwick wrote:
>>>snip
>>>>
>>>> If not drinking is the only change you've made and you've lost 4k in
>>>> under a week I'd say you were drinking way too much before you
>>>> stopped.
>>>
>>>Too right. A bottle of wine contains about 500 calories and there are
>>>about 3500 calories in a pound of fat so 4kg is equivalent to over 60
>>>bottles of wine.
>>
>> Except alcohol consumption causes the body to retain more water, so
>> it's likely the gain is mostly spare fluid.
>
>only if someone has cirrhosis
That would be full on swollen stomach and edema.
>with most people, alcohol causes the reverse as a hangover is a symptom of
>dehydration
Yes, but the way I've understood it is that over time the body
naturally learns to hold onto a slight bit more water, to counteract
the intake of lots of dieuretics be it caffiene, alcohol, or anything
else. Switch to drinking only water for a few weeks and the body
won't hold onto as much, and as if by magic, weight loss.
wessie
news:gfrgg5d8h3uu26kus...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:44:28 +0000 (UTC), wessie
>>with most people, alcohol causes the reverse as a hangover is a
>>symptom of dehydration
>
> Yes, but the way I've understood it is that over time the body
> naturally learns to hold onto a slight bit more water, to counteract
> the intake of lots of dieuretics be it caffiene, alcohol, or anything
> else. Switch to drinking only water for a few weeks and the body
> won't hold onto as much, and as if by magic, weight loss.
>
>
I take a diuretic medication as well as drink loads of booze.
There is certainly a rebound effect associated with diuretics. I would not
call it a learning process but a biochemical overcompensation.
From my own experience, fluid will collect in the lower limbs of people
taking a drink if they are sedentary. Go to bed, the fluid redistributes
and is excreted by the kidneys and results in being woken up to take a
piss. By morning, unless additional water is consumed the net result is
dehydration and maybe a hangover.
steve auvache
s.com>, Cane <cane...@gmail.com> writes
I'll be fucked if ever I give up drinking, just giving up buying is all
I have done.
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Cane
> In article <641b0031-34cb-4658-a59c-91a52f99b...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroup
> s.com>, Cane <caneu...@gmail.com> writes
>
> >On 21 Nov, 16:45, "Nige" <de...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked me
> >> into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has passed my
> >> lips.
>
> >> I feel great, wide awake, not in the slightest bit tired.
>
> >> Less irritable & generaly happy.
>
> >> Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be honest.
>
> >It's been over a year for me.
>
> I'll be fucked if ever I give up drinking, just giving up buying is all
> I have done.
heh, I must say, I've saved rather a lot of money too.
sweller
> > Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be
> > honest.
>
> It's been over a year for me.
I gave up alcohol for a year. Which was quite tricky in my environment.
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geoff
<swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> writes
yes - I can see that ...
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Cane
I don't miss it at all. I find pissed people a bit annoying though.
Cane
> >> > > Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be
> >> > > honest.
>
> >> > It's been over a year for me.
>
> >> I gave up alcohol for a year. Which was quite tricky in my environment.
>
> >I don't miss it at all. I find pissed people a bit annoying though.
>
> That's ok. Pissed smokers find evangelical, non-smoking,
> health-freaks a bit annoying as well :-)
heh, I'm not in the slightest bit evangelical but I'm sure you're
right.
Simian
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You do realise that you're a different person now though, don't you?
And I don't mean that in a good way :-{
ogden
Nige
> health-freaks a bit annoying as well :-)
hyehehe - touche!
Nige
Nowt worse, bunch of cunts......
vulgarandmischevious
>On Nov 22, 11:38�am, "sweller" <swel...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> > > Thought i would miss it, but not a chance. Quite surprised to be
>> > > honest.
I seldom drink. But when I do, I tend to binge - this is probably
about once a month, or less.
>> > It's been over a year for me.
>>
>> I gave up alcohol for a year. �Which was quite tricky in my environment.
>
>I don't miss it at all. I find pissed people a bit annoying though.
I still fancy your wife when I'm sober, you know!
Beav
I hope so Nige. Giving up the booze is a good idea so you should stick at
it. IMO of course.
Steve Fitzgerald
writes
>In message <xn0ghyax...@news.individual.net>, sweller
><swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>I gave up alcohol for a year. Which was quite tricky in my environment.
>>
>In the front of 50 tons of steel travelling at 60 mph
>
>yes - I can see that ...
Don't be silly, he's one of our top union bods now; I bet he can't
remember the last time he turned a handle in anger!
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geoff
<junk@[127.0.0.1]> writes
>In message <virYe$G4OUC...@demon.co.uk>, geoff <ra...@kateda.org>
>writes
>
>>In message <xn0ghyax...@news.individual.net>, sweller
>><swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>
>>>I gave up alcohol for a year. Which was quite tricky in my environment.
>>>
>>In the front of 50 tons of steel travelling at 60 mph
>>
>>yes - I can see that ...
>
>Don't be silly, he's one of our top union bods now; I bet he can't
>remember the last time he turned a handle in anger!
I used to work for a company called Diehl in Germany
There used to be at least one serious drink related injury in the
workshops there
The union heard that at a board meeting, there was going to be a
discussion as to whether alcohol at the point of work - i.e. by their
lathe or whatever machine they were working at, was to be banned
There was a strike
Bier ist wie Brot
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sweller
> I bet he can't remember the last time he turned a handle in anger!
07/03/09
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Andy Bonwick
snip>
>I used to work for a company called Diehl in Germany
>
>There used to be at least one serious drink related injury in the
>workshops there
>
>The union heard that at a board meeting, there was going to be a
>discussion as to whether alcohol at the point of work - i.e. by their
>lathe or whatever machine they were working at, was to be banned
>
>
>There was a strike
>
>Bier ist wie Brot
I've worked in Germany a few times and it was normal for beer to be
available in the canteen but I never saw anyone taking it back to
their workplace.
Just to bring it closer to home though, how many people work in an
office with a zero alcohol policy? By that I mean any alcohol at all
and you're up for instant dismissal.
sweller
> Just to bring it closer to home though, how many people work in an
> office with a zero alcohol policy? By that I mean any alcohol at all
> and you're up for instant dismissal.
Railway office staff have to comply with the same requirements for safety
critical grades (drivers, signallers, guards, fitters etc.)
The railway limit is 29mg/100ml which whilst not zero is as near to zero
as you're going to get (the body naturally makes a certain amount of
alcohol). Drinking on duty or having open containers will also result in
a clause 9 (potential summary dismissal).
On a different note, and a bit nerdy, there's no such thing as a legal
instant dismissal.
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Cane
Cane
heh, tell me about it.
Catman
Something of a grey area round here. AFAIK there is no official policy,
but some people have been levered out on it.
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ginge
<nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:
>Just to bring it closer to home though, how many people work in an
>office with a zero alcohol policy? By that I mean any alcohol at all
>and you're up for instant dismissal.
Me. No booze allowed on site at all.
Colin Irvine
following:
Until I retired I worked in just such an office. The whole hospital
was alcohol free, and we weren't even allowed to have a beer at
lunchtime if we popped down the pub for a sarnie.
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Cane
Suits me :)
CT
> Until I retired I worked in just such an office. The whole hospital
> was alcohol free, and we weren't even allowed to have a beer at
> lunchtime if we popped down the pub for a sarnie.
I'm not sure I'd work for a company with such a policy. Even though
it's extremely rare for me to have a lunchtime drink[1], the job would
have to be extremely fucking good and extremely well paid for me to
allow a company that much control over what I could and couldn't do in
my own time.
[1] It's happened maybe half a dozen times in the three years I've been
here.
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Champ
>Colin Irvine wrote:
>
>> Until I retired I worked in just such an office. The whole hospital
>> was alcohol free, and we weren't even allowed to have a beer at
>> lunchtime if we popped down the pub for a sarnie.
>I'm not sure I'd work for a company with such a policy. Even though
>it's extremely rare for me to have a lunchtime drink[1], the job would
>have to be extremely fucking good and extremely well paid for me to
>allow a company that much control over what I could and couldn't do in
>my own time.
I was just thinking exactly the same. I rarely go to the pub at
lunchtime, but I definitely don't want my employer telling me I can't.
What next - no overnight drinking either?
I have several colleagues who go to the pub *every* lunchtime, mind.
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CT
> I was just thinking exactly the same. I rarely go to the pub at
> lunchtime, but I definitely don't want my employer telling me I can't.
It will probably be made illegal in a few years. Control, control,
control.
> What next - no overnight drinking either?
Then that. The thin end of the wedge, see?
> I have several colleagues who go to the pub every lunchtime, mind.
I used to, many years ago and have two or three pints. I really
couldn't do that now - not without falling asleep at my desk.
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Colin Irvine
>On 23 Nov 2009 11:08:20 GMT, "CT" <m...@christrollen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Colin Irvine wrote:
>>
>>> Until I retired I worked in just such an office. The whole hospital
>>> was alcohol free, and we weren't even allowed to have a beer at
>>> lunchtime if we popped down the pub for a sarnie.
>
>>I'm not sure I'd work for a company with such a policy. Even though
>>it's extremely rare for me to have a lunchtime drink[1], the job would
>>have to be extremely fucking good and extremely well paid for me to
>>allow a company that much control over what I could and couldn't do in
>>my own time.
>
>I was just thinking exactly the same. I rarely go to the pub at
>lunchtime, but I definitely don't want my employer telling me I can't.
>What next - no overnight drinking either?
Well I thought it was a good rule. The reasoning was simple. It was
deemed unacceptable for nurses, doctors etc to breathe beer fumes over
patients, and in the interest of fairness it was agreed that all staff
should abide by the same rule, whatever the department they worked in.
Wicked Uncle Nigel
<lo...@bottom.of.home.page> typed
"In the interest of fairness"?
I can see that the rule might apply to "customer-facing" staff, I don't
have a problem with that. Applying the rule across the board seems very
unfair to me.
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sweller
> > I was just thinking exactly the same. I rarely go to the pub at
> > lunchtime, but I definitely don't want my employer telling me I can't.
> > What next - no overnight drinking either?
>
> Well I thought it was a good rule. The reasoning was simple. It was
> deemed unacceptable for nurses, doctors etc to breathe beer fumes over
> patients, and in the interest of fairness it was agreed that all staff
> should abide by the same rule, whatever the department they worked in.
Similar reasoning for the railway when the 1992 T&WA came in.
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Champ
<lo...@bottom.of.home.page> wrote:
>>>> Until I retired I worked in just such an office. The whole hospital
>>>> was alcohol free, and we weren't even allowed to have a beer at
>>>> lunchtime if we popped down the pub for a sarnie.
>>
>>>I'm not sure I'd work for a company with such a policy. Even though
>>>it's extremely rare for me to have a lunchtime drink[1], the job would
>>>have to be extremely fucking good and extremely well paid for me to
>>>allow a company that much control over what I could and couldn't do in
>>>my own time.
>>
>>I was just thinking exactly the same. I rarely go to the pub at
>>lunchtime, but I definitely don't want my employer telling me I can't.
>>What next - no overnight drinking either?
>
>Well I thought it was a good rule. The reasoning was simple. It was
>deemed unacceptable for nurses, doctors etc to breathe beer fumes over
>patients
I see the point of that - and one could probably justify a zero
tolerance position for people making clinical decisions.
> and in the interest of fairness it was agreed that all staff
>should abide by the same rule, whatever the department they worked in.
...but I'm not sure I see where 'fairness' would demand that the same
rule should apply across the board here. Why should a janitor, or IT
support guy, or similar, be restricted in the same way?
Colin Irvine
the following:
>Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Colin Irvine
>>Well I thought it was a good rule. The reasoning was simple. It was
>>deemed unacceptable for nurses, doctors etc to breathe beer fumes over
>>patients, and in the interest of fairness it was agreed that all staff
>>should abide by the same rule, whatever the department they worked in.
>
>"In the interest of fairness"?
>
>I can see that the rule might apply to "customer-facing" staff, I don't
>have a problem with that. Applying the rule across the board seems very
>unfair to me.
This is for Champ as well. One difficulty is deciding where to draw
the line. There are a lot of non-clinical staff who come into contact
with patients - ancilliary staff such as porters and domestics,
administrative staff such as medical secretaries, receptionists and
ward clerks, technical staff working in patient areas such as
instrument technicians and works staff. In fact there are few staff
who are unlikely ever to get within breathing distance of a patient or
visitor.
The simple answer is that if taking alcohol in your lunch break is a
freedom you wish to protect, don't work in a hospital. *You* might
think it unfair - none of us did. I think that shows commendable team
spirit.
Oh, and don't complain if some member of hospital staff breathes beer
in your face in future!
<climbs off high horse>
ginge
<lo...@bottom.of.home.page> wrote:
>The simple answer is that if taking alcohol in your lunch break is a
>freedom you wish to protect, don't work in a hospital. *You* might
>think it unfair - none of us did. I think that shows commendable team
>spirit.
I can't see what all the fuss about going to the pub on a lunch break
is anyhow, after all they've got all those handy booze dispensers on
the wall around hospitals.
CT
> I can't see what all the fuss about going to the pub on a lunch break
> is anyhow, after all they've got all those handy booze dispensers on
> the wall around hospitals.
It's shit though. They all, to a one, taste like Creme de Menthe.
--
Chris
steve auvache
<ne...@champ.org.uk> writes
>On 23 Nov 2009 11:08:20 GMT, "CT" <m...@christrollen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Colin Irvine wrote:
>>
>>> Until I retired I worked in just such an office. The whole hospital
>>> was alcohol free, and we weren't even allowed to have a beer at
>>> lunchtime if we popped down the pub for a sarnie.
>
>>I'm not sure I'd work for a company with such a policy. Even though
>>it's extremely rare for me to have a lunchtime drink[1], the job would
>>have to be extremely fucking good and extremely well paid for me to
>>allow a company that much control over what I could and couldn't do in
>>my own time.
>
>I was just thinking exactly the same. I rarely go to the pub at
>lunchtime, but I definitely don't want my employer telling me I can't.
>What next - no overnight drinking either?
>
>I have several colleagues who go to the pub *every* lunchtime, mind.
I once worked for a firm where a bloke got caught dealing coke to other
employees in office hours and the knee jerk was that the company then
decided it would bring in mandatory random drug testing.
A big debate started as to whether this test should include the senior
management and alcohol and they dropped the idea like it was a hot
potato.
Mind you that didn't stop them mostly going out and getting seriously
pissed up at dinner time, not doing anything like any work in the
afternoon and then driving home still pissed later on that day but it
did allow me the freedom to continue to have a little spliff in the car
park with me flask and sandwiches and enjoy the noonday totty wiggling
by.
--
steve auvache
steve auvache
<ne...@champ.org.uk> writes
>...but I'm not sure I see where 'fairness' would demand that the same
>rule should apply across the board here. Why should a janitor, or IT
>support guy, or similar, be restricted in the same way?
Because the janitor may be responsible for keeping the drains clear and
thus you health and if he falls down one pissed out of his head then it
becomes an issue. The IT staff may by being pissed after a lunchtime
session allow vital systems to break and not be sober enough to diagnose
and repair them thus causing the company to be less productive and not
fulfilling its duty to make the shareholders even richer than they
already are. And then 2 hours after staggering out of the pub with a
skinful they all go home and most of them drive to do it.
--
steve auvache
geoff
<nos...@bonwick.me.uk> writes
>On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:22:19 +0000, geoff <ra...@kateda.org> wrote:
>
>snip>
>
>>I used to work for a company called Diehl in Germany
>>
>>There used to be at least one serious drink related injury in the
>>workshops there
>>
>>The union heard that at a board meeting, there was going to be a
>>discussion as to whether alcohol at the point of work - i.e. by their
>>lathe or whatever machine they were working at, was to be banned
>>
>>
>>There was a strike
>>
>>Bier ist wie Brot
>
>I've worked in Germany a few times and it was normal for beer to be
>available in the canteen but I never saw anyone taking it back to
>their workplace.
Bavaria / Franconia ?
Directly outside the main door to the main workshop there were 4 beer
vending machines, workers could buy crates of beer in the canteen shop
to take back to their machine
In the department I worked in (developing a steerable 1kW Laser) you
were expected to put on a spread (barrel of beer and food) if it was
your birthday, wedding, kids christening etc
so, in a department of 25 - that meant almost every friday
>
>Just to bring it closer to home though, how many people work in an
>office with a zero alcohol policy? By that I mean any alcohol at all
>and you're up for instant dismissal.
>
I don't operate such a policy
--
geoff
'Hog
> In the department I worked in (developing a steerable 1kW Laser) you
Oh yes. What kind of laser and for what porpoise.
--
Hog
geoff
<sm91...@hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> writes
>geoff wrote:
>
>> In the department I worked in (developing a steerable 1kW Laser) you
>
>Oh yes. What kind of laser and for what porpoise.
>
... for knocking out missiles on a sunny day
fairly high speed adaptive optics were involved
we almost killed a security guard who wandered into the firting range to
see why the red lights were flashing once
prolly pissed as a fart
--
geoff
Cane
> A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked me
> into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has passed my
> lips.
How long did you last.
Nige
"Cane" <cane...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f9f80669-dad7-4a26...@g31g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
Still going strong :)
Cane
> > A week ago, due to the mistake with the alcohol free becks, it kicked
> > me
> > into thinking why do i drink. So, a week later & not a drop has passed
> > my
> > lips.
> >How long did you last.
>
> Still going strong :)
Blimey!
What's the target?
Nige
'forever' no, not really, just not arsed anymore.
I'll see how it goes
CT
> "Cane" <cane...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > What's the target?
>
> 'forever' no, not really, just not arsed anymore.
>
> I'll see how it goes
Just don't take up karate and then become all evangelical about not
drinking, eh?
--
Chris
Nige
'Hog
> In message <hef5e3$9j8$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, 'Hog
> <sm91...@hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> writes
>> geoff wrote:
>>
>>> In the department I worked in (developing a steerable 1kW Laser) you
>>
>> Oh yes. What kind of laser and for what porpoise.
>>
> Well ultimately it was going to be a more powerful chemical laser
Was that the one being tested at Porton Down?
> ... for knocking out missiles on a sunny day
>
> fairly high speed adaptive optics were involved
Well the Yanks have managed to get the flying version working, somewhat,
at ridiculous expense.
UKAEA developed Kw class CO2 lasers to cut PE16 fuel wrappers and we
developed it on to dissect MTR assemblies, with nitrogen cooled optics
systems for long duty cycles. It greatly reduced the accumulation of
radioactive debris compared to mechanical hacksaws and angle grinders.
--
'Hog
'06 ST4-S
'96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400
'81 R65 Outfit
Cane
> Nige wrote:
> > "Cane" <caneu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > What's the target?
>
> > 'forever' no, not really, just not arsed anymore.
>
> > I'll see how it goes
>
> Just don't take up karate and then become all evangelical about not
> drinking, eh?
Nightmare!
Beav
"Andy Bonwick" <nos...@bonwick.me.uk> wrote in message
news:g6fkg5dsuunu8f0rp...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:22:19 +0000, geoff <ra...@kateda.org> wrote:
>
> snip>
>
>>I used to work for a company called Diehl in Germany
>>
>>There used to be at least one serious drink related injury in the
>>workshops there
>>
>>The union heard that at a board meeting, there was going to be a
>>discussion as to whether alcohol at the point of work - i.e. by their
>>lathe or whatever machine they were working at, was to be banned
>>
>>
>>There was a strike
>>
>>Bier ist wie Brot
>
> I've worked in Germany a few times and it was normal for beer to be
> available in the canteen but I never saw anyone taking it back to
> their workplace.
>
> office with a zero alcohol policy? By that I mean any alcohol at all
> and you're up for instant dismissal.
Me. And it was me who instigated it.
--
Beav
VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19
ginge
wrote:
It's a thing the strongbow arrows fire into, before a nice refreshing
pint, but that's not important right now..
geoff
>geoff wrote:
>> In message <hef5e3$9j8$1...@news.eternal-september.org>, 'Hog
>> <sm91...@hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> writes
>>> geoff wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the department I worked in (developing a steerable 1kW Laser) you
>>>
>>> Oh yes. What kind of laser and for what porpoise.
>>>
>> Well ultimately it was going to be a more powerful chemical laser
>
>Was that the one being tested at Porton Down?
No, it was to come from USA
>
>> ... for knocking out missiles on a sunny day
>>
>> fairly high speed adaptive optics were involved
>
>Well the Yanks have managed to get the flying version working, somewhat,
>at ridiculous expense.
Yup - but wall falls down, no more money for development
>
>UKAEA developed Kw class CO2 lasers to cut PE16 fuel wrappers and we
>developed it on to dissect MTR assemblies, with nitrogen cooled optics
>systems for long duty cycles. It greatly reduced the accumulation of
>radioactive debris compared to mechanical hacksaws and angle grinders.
>
--
geoff
Cane
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:03:55 -0000, "Nige"
> <nigel.inceGETA...@btinternet.com> said
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Cane" <caneu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Of course, now that I'm concussed and shouldn't drink, I really really
> want a beer.
How did you get concussed?
Champ
wrote:
Probably banged her head in the kitchen.
'Hog
> Champ wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:22:12 -0800 (PST), Cane <cane...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Nov 24, 10:17 pm, Snowleopard <wintersnow...@gmail.lair.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Of course, now that I'm concussed and shouldn't drink, I really
>>>> really >> want a beer.
>>
>>> How did you get concussed?
>>
>> Probably banged her head in the kitchen.
>
Came up too fast under someone's desk more like