Gatso's
Speedgazebo
device, possibly another camera of lighting device, has been installed
next to each fixed Gatso camera, in each case it points in the same
direction at a slightly sharper angle than the original camera,
possibly "seeing" or illuminating the side of passing vehicles.
Any one seen one anywhere else and know what it is?
Googling doesn't yield anything.
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wessie
00f446...@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
CCTV/ANPR, at a guess
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Speedgazebo
wessie wrote:
Don't think so, they have the Gatso logo on the side, and they are
much bigger than an ANPR camera,
I'll try to get a picture tomorrow and post it.
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TMack
Possibly an NID (Non Invasive Detection) device. Uses a virtual inductive
loop to detect the presence of a vehicle instead of actually having to dig
up the road and install a physical inductive loop.
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Scraggy
Loop for a Gatso? Possibly, they are switching to an external Lidar. Or
something.
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Has no-one done this yet? Really? OK...
*ahem*
Gatso's *what*?
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darsy
> Speedgazebo wrote:
>
> Has no-one done this yet? Really? OK...
>
> *ahem*
>
> Gatso's *what*?
little helpers.
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Vass
"Speedgazebo" <nick...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:02aaa26e-4c28-47b7...@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On the A 505 through Letchworth I have noticed that an additional
> device, possibly another camera of lighting device, has been installed
> next to each fixed Gatso camera, in each case it points in the same
> direction at a slightly sharper angle than the original camera,
> possibly "seeing" or illuminating the side of passing vehicles.
> Any one seen one anywhere else and know what it is?
I think there is a trial on seatbelt and mobile phone use combined with
speed camera's
this may or may not be it though
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Speedgazebo
> "Speedgazebo" <nicka...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:02aaa26e-4c28-47b7...@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On the A 505 through Letchworth I have noticed that an additional
> > device, possibly another camera of lighting device, has been installed
> > next to each fixed Gatso camera, in each case it points in the same
> > direction at a slightly sharper angle than the original camera,
> > possibly "seeing" or illuminating the side of passing vehicles.
> > Any one seen one anywhere else and know what it is?
Here are a couple of pictures..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/speedgazebo/2924956936/
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TMack
> TMack wrote:
>> Speedgazebo wrote:
>>> On the A 505 through Letchworth I have noticed that an additional
>>> device, possibly another camera of lighting device, has been
>>> installed next to each fixed Gatso camera, in each case it points in
>>> the same direction at a slightly sharper angle than the original
>>> camera, possibly "seeing" or illuminating the side of passing
>>> vehicles.
>>> Any one seen one anywhere else and know what it is?
>>>
>>> Googling doesn't yield anything.
>>
>> Possibly an NID (Non Invasive Detection) device. Uses a virtual
>> inductive loop to detect the presence of a vehicle instead of
>> actually having to dig up the road and install a physical inductive
>> loop.
>
> Loop for a Gatso?
Yes, if its monitoring red traffic light compliance.
Hog
One on the Saintfield road in NI too, nobody knows what it is
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Speedgazebo
wrote:
There's no traffic lights near them so I don't think its that.
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Speedgazebo
> On 8 Oct, 18:12, "TMack" <tonyREMOVEC...@REMOVECAPS.dsl.pipex.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Scraggy wrote:
> > > TMack wrote:
> > >> Speedgazebo wrote:
> > >>> On the A 505 through Letchworth I have noticed that an additional
> > >>> device, possibly another camera of lighting device, has been
> > >>> installed next to each fixed Gatso camera, in each case it points in
> > >>> the same direction at a slightly sharper angle than the original
> > >>> camera, possibly "seeing" or illuminating the side of passing
> > >>> vehicles.
> > >>> Any one seen one anywhere else and know what it is?
>
> > >>> Googling doesn't yield anything.
>
> > >> Possibly an NID (Non Invasive Detection) device. Uses a virtual
> > >> inductive loop to detect the presence of a vehicle instead of
> > >> actually having to dig up the road and install a physical inductive
> > >> loop.
>
Here's the answer...
"Apart from modifications to the housings, the upgrade to digital
includes a separate night flash pole. "
http://www.hertsdirect.org/envroads/roadstrans/rsu/driving/safetycameras/features/firstdigicam
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drugs began to take hold. I remember "Vass" <4rf...@34fq3qd.com> saying
something like:
>speed camera's
<bang!>
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How much more suspenseful can you get?"
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darsy
isn't that a trafficmaster camera?
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Speedgazebo
Nope. It's got Gatso on the side.
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wessie
news:bf9afb55-1ec3-45f4...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
> Here's the answer...
>
> "Apart from modifications to the housings, the upgrade to digital
> includes a separate night flash pole. "
>
> http://www.hertsdirect.org/envroads/roadstrans/rsu/driving/safetycamera
> s/features/firstdigicam
>
So, they bought cheapo digital cameras that don't work in the dark and had
to retrofit extra illumination. Fuckwits.
A few more NSLs to 50 limits to pay for it no doubt.
se...@14b.co.uk
> "Speedgazebo" <nicka...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> this may or may not be it though
New list:
AM#1 Speedgazebo
AM#2 Vass
Acceptance speech optional.
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"Unacustomed to public speaking as I am, I would like to say thank you
to the panel, and the phone voters, for their astounding vote of
confidence in me to carry the mantle of AM#1"
I must not misuse apostrophies.
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MikeH
It's in disguise.
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wessie
0e9b3d...@75g2000hso.googlegroups.com:
> apostrophies
oops
se...@14b.co.uk
>
> > New list:
>
> > AM#1 Speedgazebo
> > AM#2 Vass
>
> > Acceptance speech optional.
>
> "Unacustomed to public speaking as I am, I would like to say thank you
> to the panel, and the phone voters, for their astounding vote of
> confidence in me to carry the mantle of AM#1"
>
> I must not misuse apostrophies.
Have a First Bar to your Apostrophe Mong #
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Speedgazebo
Oh Bollocks....
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Jim
Speedgazebo <nick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On the A 505 through Letchworth I have noticed that an additional
>device, possibly another camera of lighting device, has been installed
>next to each fixed Gatso camera, in each case it points in the same
>direction at a slightly sharper angle than the original camera,
>possibly "seeing" or illuminating the side of passing vehicles.
>Any one seen one anywhere else and know what it is?
This is far more scary:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/article4909662.ece
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Bear
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:19:08 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, Jim says:
>
> >This is far more scary:
> >
> >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/article4909662.ece
>
> partnerships"
>
> Of course there will, the ability to fine even more people.
Did you see the results of the poll?
Currently:
14.6% for.
85.4% against.
I wonder if a political party could tap that - if Labour (ha!), the
Conservatives or the Lib-Dems were to specifically mention they would
not extend the use of cameras I can't help thinking they'd be doing
themselves a big favour.
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Phil Launchbury
> In article <gckpdb...@blakeley.plus.com>, says...
>
>
> Currently:
>
> 14.6% for.
> 85.4% against.
>
> I wonder if a political party could tap that - if Labour (ha!), the
> Conservatives or the Lib-Dems were to specifically mention they would
> not extend the use of cameras I can't help thinking they'd be doing
> themselves a big favour.
Swindon Borough council (now Conservative I believe) has a policy of
scrapping speed cameras. Whether that translates to action I have no
idea[1].
Phil.
[1] I know I don't see any on my route to/from work - not even the
regular mobile ones that used to be set up on Thamesdown Drive.
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to juggle mushrooms'
Speedgazebo
> In article <02aaa26e-4c28-47b7-a9e1-00f446b29...@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Speedgazebo <nicka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On the A 505 through Letchworth I have noticed that an additional
> >device, possibly another camera of lighting device, has been installed
> >next to each fixed Gatso camera, in each case it points in the same
> >direction at a slightly sharper angle than the original camera,
> >possibly "seeing" or illuminating the side of passing vehicles.
> >Any one seen one anywhere else and know what it is?
>
> This is far more scary:
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/article4909662.ece
This is interesting ...."On the M1 the number of casualties halved
after average-speed cameras were introduced on a contraflow between
junctions 6a and 10." considering that there was never a time during
the contraflow when there were no specs cameras, the only alteration
has been to increase the limit from 40 to 50, perhaps thats when the
reduction took place.
Also I can't see how it would work if it's spread over roads with
different speed limits.
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Speedgazebo
Jim
Speedgazebo <nick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/article4909662.ece
>
>This is interesting ...."On the M1 the number of casualties halved
>after average-speed cameras were introduced on a contraflow between
>junctions 6a and 10." considering that there was never a time during
>the contraflow when there were no specs cameras, the only alteration
>has been to increase the limit from 40 to 50, perhaps thats when the
>reduction took place.
>
>Also I can't see how it would work if it's spread over roads with
>different speed limits.
On the M3 they often display information on one of the variable message
signs which says something like "M4 via A34, 34 miles 36 minutes". AIUI
this is done using the ANPR cameras to record car registration numbers
as they pass the beginning and end of the section, then using some kind
of statistical analysis to figure out what the modal travel time is.
You can see how these new cameras might work in exactly the same way:
you can calculate that over that 34 miles (which is all basically 70mph
limit) if I manage to beat 29 minutes I must have been breaking the
speed limit.
It still works if the speed limit changes over the route as well: you
can just break it down into sections.
Bear
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:35:39 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, Bear says:
>
> >In article <gckpdb...@blakeley.plus.com>, says...
> >> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:19:08 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, Jim says:
> >>
> >> >This is far more scary:
> >> >
> >> >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/article4909662.ece
> >>
> >> "I think there will be great interest among the safety-camera
> >> partnerships"
> >>
> >> Of course there will, the ability to fine even more people.
> >
> >Did you see the results of the poll?
> >
> >Currently:
> >
> >14.6% for.
> >85.4% against.
>
> >
> >I wonder if a political party could tap that - if Labour (ha!), the
> >Conservatives or the Lib-Dems were to specifically mention they would
> >not extend the use of cameras I can't help thinking they'd be doing
> >themselves a big favour.
>
> organisations?
That's why I said commit to "not extend" ... that way, you get less
bleating than if you scrapped them wholesale.
> I hesitate to say it[1] but given a spread of cameras such that they
> can't be avoided without removing number plates it has become just
> another tax. The only way then to maintain revenue if drivers slow
> down is to decrease limits.
I think they'd have a hard time on motorways, but I can see a point
coming where NSL becomes 40, say.
> [1] I try not to be guilty now of calling them scameras and aligning
> myself in the all cameras are bad camp.
It's merely the use of words like "scamera", "Micro$haft" and "Xmyth"
that wind me up, but it's purely a personal thing, so no worries :)
The only cameras I agree with are in 30s and 40s, and near schools and
hospitals and suchlike. The rest are the work of cunts.
Adrian
were saying:
> This is interesting ...."On the M1 the number of casualties halved after
> average-speed cameras were introduced on a contraflow between junctions
> 6a and 10." considering that there was never a time during the
> contraflow when there were no specs cameras, the only alteration has
> been to increase the limit from 40 to 50, perhaps thats when the
> reduction took place.
Nah, it's compared to before the contraflow & limits.
The reason's simple. Traffic _moved_ before.
wessie
news:slrngerp5h...@mail.launchbury.org.uk:
> In article <MPG.2357eed5b...@news.individual.de>, Bear wrote:
>> In article <gckpdb...@blakeley.plus.com>, says...
>>
>> Did you see the results of the poll?
>>
>> Currently:
>>
>> 14.6% for.
>> 85.4% against.
>>
>> I wonder if a political party could tap that - if Labour (ha!), the
>> Conservatives or the Lib-Dems were to specifically mention they would
>> not extend the use of cameras I can't help thinking they'd be doing
>> themselves a big favour.
>
> Swindon Borough council (now Conservative I believe) has a policy of
> scrapping speed cameras. Whether that translates to action I have no
> idea[1].
>
As the old analogue cameras are becoming obsolete they could have that very
policy. They could also have a policy of installing SPECS at the same time!
http://www.safetycameraswiltshire.co.uk/ lists loads of locations and
http://www.swindon.gov.uk/pages_from_ltp2_v24_finalsection4(150-200).pdf
page 177 sets out policy. Looks like you are going to get more 20mph zones
and loads of traffic calming measures in the city. Rural policy seems to be
lowering speed limits and enforcement.
That seems to be the policy around here too. Fewer cameras, more 20mph
speed limits with speed humps in urban areas. More 40 & 50mph speed limits
in rural areas enforced using mobile cameras.
frag
says...>
I was going to say that.
Difficult having fatal accidents when the traffics doing 25mph.
Any sorts of accident, I don't know. If you've got traffic doing 80mph,
spaced out appropriately (so on the M1 thats 20' apart at a guess), can
that traffic suddenly stop dead with less accidents than a queue at
25mph where they've got a <10' gap between them?
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> Difficult having fatal accidents when the traffics doing 25mph.
not really. van slowly closes the gap and nudges you under hgv, hgv wheels
crush your puny neck.
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Bear
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:45:46 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, Bear says:
> >It's merely the use of words like "scamera", "Micro$haft" and "Xmyth"
> >that wind me up, but it's purely a personal thing, so no worries :)
>
> I tend to agree, summons up images of green crayon, although I might
> have been guilty sometimes.
Ditto - it was funny for about a week. In 1999.
Jim
>I reckon that's coming to, the number that I knew when I first had a
>licence which are now 40 or 50 is pretty high. Some are now 30
>although that's somewhat rarer. I usually work on the principal that
>the limit for me is what it was on the day I got my licence. A policy
>that will I am sure lead to a roadside chat or an unwanted picture
>opportunity one day.
I live in a blanket 40 limit. This has been imposed in the New
Forest because of wildlife wandering into the middle of the road. Many
of the roads, though, are wide open with excellent visibility, so I
don't see the argument why you can't drive at 60mph on the straights so
long as you don't drive round a corner into a cow.
I suspect this kind of behaviour will lead to a chat as well at some
point: speed guns work much better on the straights.
Hog
Talk about sleep walking. All part of tracking your every movement, email,
call, txt. Now who would want to do that, and why.
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'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400
Hog
> It's merely the use of words like "scamera", "Micro$haft" and "Xmyth"
> that wind me up, but it's purely a personal thing, so no worries :)
>
> The only cameras I agree with are in 30s and 40s, and near schools and
> hospitals and suchlike. The rest are the work of cunts.
TBH I ignore them all now unless there is a crossing, school or the like.
Hog
> Jim wrote:
>
>> so I
>> don't see the argument why you can't drive at 60mph on the straights
>> so long as you don't drive round a corner into a cow.
>
> have a habit of just leaping into the road.
Wasn't the correct answer to shoot everything that could possibly jump out
into the road?
JackH
"sweller" <swe...@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Bear wrote:
>> The only cameras I agree with are in 30s and 40s, and near schools and
>> hospitals and suchlike. The rest are the work of cunts.
>
> Here in Her Majesty's East Sussex that's pretty much all we get. The
> open A roads are pretty free of speed cameras - the 30/40 villages aren't.
But then that's fair enough really?
What's the score with mobile traps down that way?
In Kent, they seem to keep investing in more and more 'safety vans'... that,
and they've topped the chart for 'The most money spunked by a Local
Authority in the direction of Icelandic banks', so maybe one event is linked
to the other. ;-)
Rye falls under East Sussex... I did hear a mutter that the 'forces for
good', aware of the popularity of the roads down there with the biking
fraternity, had resorted to deploying a 'copter now and again as part of
their efforts to stop the more feckless using a sheep as a breakfall as they
leave the road.
Might fall under Kent plod actually as the roads in question are on the
border between the two counties.
The other thing they've been doing in Kent is lowering the speedlimits
progressively on a number of roads which were, IMHO at least, quite safe
whilst NSL.
No doubt said safety vans will now be deployed on a regular basis along said
routes.
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JackH
"Hog" <hog...@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote in message
news:gcn26l$4lt$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
> Bear wrote:
>
>> It's merely the use of words like "scamera", "Micro$haft" and "Xmyth"
>> that wind me up, but it's purely a personal thing, so no worries :)
>>
>> The only cameras I agree with are in 30s and 40s, and near schools and
>> hospitals and suchlike. The rest are the work of cunts.
>
> TBH I ignore them all now unless there is a crossing, school or the like.
Ok... so you're running on false plates or are they all seemingly out of
film etc?
Bear
> The other thing they've been doing in Kent is lowering the speedlimits
> progressively on a number of roads which were, IMHO at least, quite safe
> whilst NSL.
That's the one that *really* winds me up.
Pete Fisher
<bastard...@gmail.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>In article <6l8hdcF...@mid.individual.net>, JackH says...
>
>> The other thing they've been doing in Kent is lowering the speedlimits
>> progressively on a number of roads which were, IMHO at least, quite safe
>> whilst NSL.
>
>That's the one that *really* winds me up.
Cameras, or at least warning signs for them on NSL roads is the latest
trend round here. Even after riding the route and not actually seeing
any cameras, the next time you go that way you wonder if they have got
round to installing them.
Ruined some classic 'B' road delights, it has.
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> "Hog" <hog...@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:gcn26l$4lt$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Bear wrote:
>>
>>> It's merely the use of words like "scamera", "Micro$haft" and
>>> "Xmyth" that wind me up, but it's purely a personal thing, so no
>>> worries :) The only cameras I agree with are in 30s and 40s, and near
>>> schools
>>> and hospitals and suchlike. The rest are the work of cunts.
>>
>> TBH I ignore them all now unless there is a crossing, school or the
>> like.
>
> Ok... so you're running on false plates or are they all seemingly out
> of film etc?
I meant speed limits not cameras but erm <coughs>
Alex Ferrier
>
> JackH says...
>
>> The other thing they've been doing in Kent is lowering the speedlimits
>> progressively on a number of roads which were, IMHO at least, quite safe
>> whilst NSL.
>
> That's the one that *really* winds me up.
Get used to it. All the formerly nice NSL main roads around here
have been turned into a double white lined hotchpotch of 30/40/50
zones. Red painted slowing zones, loads of extra warning signs.
There is a hill in Telford that always used to be called deathtrap
hill, because of the numerous dire warning signs up its entire length.
Subsidence, falling rocks, Slippery surface, Deer crossing, lots of beware
of the dogs signs. It's kind of lost it's amusement value since just
about every road you travel down these days looks like an over the top
parody of road safety gone mad.
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Bear
says...
It is somewhat annoying, eh? It's just rather unfair; just as you get
used to one set of rules & regs that clip your wings, along comes
another, even harsher, set.
It's not British I tell you. More like a sodding banana republic.
ginge
wrote:
I used to have a lovely little circuit not far from here, all quiet,
rarely used roads, all NSL. It's now *entirely* 40's and 50's,
despite nothing fundementally changing, and no huge accident stats.
I can't blame the police though, the blame sits squarely with those in
local government.
Champ
<jackha...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>The other thing they've been doing in Kent is lowering the speedlimits
>progressively on a number of roads which were, IMHO at least, quite safe
>whilst NSL.
Plenty of that in Gloucestershire too.
Someone once said that a council can claim more funds from the
government if it has (proportionally) more 40 and 50 limits thn NSL.
Dunno if there'sn any truth in it.
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JackH
"Bear" <bastard...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.235921004...@news.individual.de...
> In article <6l8hdcF...@mid.individual.net>, JackH says...
>
>> The other thing they've been doing in Kent is lowering the speedlimits
>> progressively on a number of roads which were, IMHO at least, quite safe
>> whilst NSL.
>
> That's the one that *really* winds me up.
Yup... fuckfaces, the lot of 'em.
I actually wonder what kind of dullard it is that signs off the orders for
this kind of thing... as in, do they actually believe in the tripe they're
fed / handing out, as justification for this kind of thing to be put in
place?
I mean, speed kills and think of the children, only it's inappropriate speed
that kills, and maybe parents might like to instill the Green Cross Code
into their offspring?
One of the kids from the house opposite got clipped by a car a while back on
the small residential street that leads up to this one.
I didn't have a GATSO to hand, and nor did any other fucker for that matter,
but a couple of the mongs from elsewhere in the road took it upon themselves
to go door to door and ask everyone to sign a petition asking for tra'fick'
calming measures and the like to put in.
Only I had it on good authority that the little darling concerned actually
rode his bike out in front of the car concerned without looking... and I
felt it my duty to inform said mongs of this as I sent them on their way
with a flea in their ear.
And going back to the 'speed kills' thing - if just a tenth of the time
dedicated to banging this particular drum was spent addressing some of the
other fuckwittery you see displayed on the roads, the roads would be a much
safer place to speed along. ;-)
Oh, and in Canterbury (1) at least, they're now installing a *shedload* more
ANPR cameras in locations that mean you're basically resigned to being
captured on them now regardless of your knowledge of local rat runs etc...
(1) Proudly the initial testbed for these, apparently.
JackH
"Pete Fisher" <Pe...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:EaHOIKK2...@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk...
> In communiqué <MPG.235921004...@news.individual.de>, Bear
> <bastard...@gmail.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>>In article <6l8hdcF...@mid.individual.net>, JackH says...
>>
>>> The other thing they've been doing in Kent is lowering the speedlimits
>>> progressively on a number of roads which were, IMHO at least, quite safe
>>> whilst NSL.
>>
>>That's the one that *really* winds me up.
>
> Cameras, or at least warning signs for them on NSL roads is the latest
> trend round here. Even after riding the route and not actually seeing any
> cameras, the next time you go that way you wonder if they have got round
> to installing them.
That'll be because they have to have said signs along any stretch they want
to run mobile traps along.
> Ruined some classic 'B' road delights, it has.
Indeed.
Alex Ferrier
>
> Alex Ferrier says...
>> Bear wrote:
>> >
>> > JackH says...
>> >
>> >> The other thing they've been doing in Kent is lowering the speedlimits
>> >> progressively on a number of roads which were, IMHO at least, quite
>> >> safe
>> >> whilst NSL.
>> >
>> > That's the one that *really* winds me up.
>>
>> Get used to it. All the formerly nice NSL main roads around here
>> have been turned into a double white lined hotchpotch of 30/40/50
>> zones. Red painted slowing zones, loads of extra warning signs.
>
> used to one set of rules & regs that clip your wings, along comes
> another, even harsher, set.
Well. I didn't say that I slow down for any of them.
>
> It's not British I tell you. More like a sodding banana republic.
On the contrary, I think it's very British.
We just seem to have a slightly muted notion
of civil disobedience. In other countries riots
would be the order of the day. Here, we just
grumble a bit, then carry on pretty much as before.
JackH
"Champ" <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
news:026ue49dqrlrfuaai...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:17:36 +0100, "JackH"
> <jackha...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>The other thing they've been doing in Kent is lowering the speedlimits
>>progressively on a number of roads which were, IMHO at least, quite safe
>>whilst NSL.
>
> Plenty of that in Gloucestershire too.
Surrey seemed to go this way first in terms of places relatively local to
here.
I blame JP (1). ;-)
> Someone once said that a council can claim more funds from the
> government if it has (proportionally) more 40 and 50 limits thn NSL.
> Dunno if there'sn any truth in it.
It wouldn't surprise me.
Actually, my mates ex is an advisor for the Dept of Transport... lives in
London and doesn't own a car / bike.
Think that says it all, really.
(1) 'He never rings, he never calls'... is he still lurking at all?
Lozzo
> Bear wrote:
> >
> > JackH says...
> >
> > > The other thing they've been doing in Kent is lowering the
> > > speedlimits progressively on a number of roads which were, IMHO
> > > at least, quite safe whilst NSL.
> >
> > That's the one that really winds me up.
>
> Get used to it. All the formerly nice NSL main roads around here
> have been turned into a double white lined hotchpotch of 30/40/50
> zones. Red painted slowing zones, loads of extra warning signs.
>
> There is a hill in Telford that always used to be called deathtrap
> hill, because of the numerous dire warning signs up its entire length.
> Subsidence, falling rocks, Slippery surface, Deer crossing, lots of
> beware of the dogs signs. It's kind of lost it's amusement value
> since just about every road you travel down these days looks like an
> over the top parody of road safety gone mad.
The run north up the hill past Silsoe turn towards the Clophill
roundabout on the A6 is like that. I flicked the headlight to high beam
along there one evening and was almost blinded by the reflection off so
many roadsigns on such a short run of road.
--
Lozzo
SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka
and a shit load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage
I believe in free speech, but I still have to pay my phone bill
Bear
> I mean, speed kills and think of the children, only it's inappropriate speed
> that kills, and maybe parents might like to instill the Green Cross Code
> into their offspring?
>
> One of the kids from the house opposite got clipped by a car a while back on
> the small residential street that leads up to this one.
>
> I didn't have a GATSO to hand, and nor did any other fucker for that matter,
> but a couple of the mongs from elsewhere in the road took it upon themselves
> to go door to door and ask everyone to sign a petition asking for tra'fick'
> calming measures and the like to put in.
There's a minor classic going on in Clapham ATM. Some kiddie got
knocked down and killed while crossing the main road round the common,
allegedly by a driver who was speeding. Well ok, not great, accepted.
The thing is, if you look at the accident site, which has been festooned
with flowers for sodding months now, and sports a huge, rather
professional-looking sign the parents have had made up, saying "SLOW
DOWN! YOUR SPEEDING IS KILLING CHILDREN!" or similar, you notice that
said site is midway between a) a zebra crossing and b) a traffic light
controlled pedestrian crossing (didn't they used to be called pelicans?
ISTR an acronym ... PEdestrian LIght Controlled something or other?
Anyway, I digress).
The point being, if you're going to let your kids play somewhere that's
on the other side of a major route, and they're too dumb to walk maybe
50 yards to a sodding crossing, WTF do you *think* is going to happen?
It winds me up every time I pass the sodding sign. And while we're at
it, what gives them the right to bung a sodding great sign up on common
land in the first fucking place?
We've been hijacked by idiots and they've set controls for the heart of
stupidity.
Hog
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:17:36 +0100, "JackH"
> <jackha...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> The other thing they've been doing in Kent is lowering the
>> speedlimits progressively on a number of roads which were, IMHO at
>> least, quite safe whilst NSL.
>
> Plenty of that in Gloucestershire too.
>
> Someone once said that a council can claim more funds from the
> government if it has (proportionally) more 40 and 50 limits thn NSL.
> Dunno if there'sn any truth in it.
It's a lot to do with busybodies and wrinklies who have the time and
inclination to infest local councils. Talk to community cops and it comes
up all the time, wrinklies demanding ever slower and quieter traffic, above
almost everything else bar keeping bleecks off the village streets.
Bear
says...
> Bear wrote:
True, but previously there was a sort of unspoken covenant that said
governments didn't take the piss to that degree. Then something
started, around the time Maggie first got in, but that could, in
fairness, have been a coincidence (although I'm not sure it was), and
has been continued by every government since - if in doubt, legislate.
Bear
> Alex Ferrier wrote:
>
> > There is a hill in Telford that always used to be called deathtrap
> > hill, because of the numerous dire warning signs up its entire length.
> > Subsidence, falling rocks, Slippery surface, Deer crossing, lots of
> > beware of the dogs signs. It's kind of lost it's amusement value
> > since just about every road you travel down these days looks like an
> > over the top parody of road safety gone mad.
>
> The run north up the hill past Silsoe turn towards the Clophill
> roundabout on the A6 is like that. I flicked the headlight to high beam
> along there one evening and was almost blinded by the reflection off so
> many roadsigns on such a short run of road.
I've mentioned this before, but there's an accident black spot near
AndyR/Eddie that looks like the local council bought a job lot of
warning signs, heavily discounted by the hundred, and lobbed the lot in.
I have it in mind that Eddie said they'd tidied it up a bit recently,
and removed a few, BICBW. It was an amazing sight though.
Lozzo
> It winds me up every time I pass the sodding sign. And while we're
> at it, what gives them the right to bung a sodding great sign up on
> common land in the first fucking place?
Umm...possibly the fact that it's on common land?
Hog
> We've been hijacked by idiots and they've set controls for the heart
> of stupidity.
Socialism, innit.
Countries need to be run by people who send their kids away to boarding
school and love Tupping and killing furry/feathered animals.
Have you considered spray painting the sign "It is the parent's fault" and
leaving dolls with nails through their heads cable tied to the railings?
We should have Jaywalking legislation like the Merkins.
JackH
"Lozzo" <lo...@lozzo.org.uk> wrote in message
news:6l8kj8F...@mid.individual.net...
> Bear wrote:
>
>> It winds me up every time I pass the sodding sign. And while we're
>> at it, what gives them the right to bung a sodding great sign up on
>> common land in the first fucking place?
>
> Umm...possibly the fact that it's on common land?
Labour MPs wouldn't want to change the right to do what you like there,
methinks.
JackH
> The point being, if you're going to let your kids play somewhere that's
> on the other side of a major route, and they're too dumb to walk maybe
> 50 yards to a sodding crossing, WTF do you *think* is going to happen?
*ding*
Only it's always, *always* someone elses fault.
> It winds me up every time I pass the sodding sign. And while we're at
> it, what gives them the right to bung a sodding great sign up on common
> land in the first fucking place?
>
> We've been hijacked by idiots and they've set controls for the heart of
> stupidity.
Indeed.
Phil Launchbury
> Bear wrote:
>
>> We've been hijacked by idiots and they've set controls for the heart
>> of stupidity.
>
> Socialism, innit.
And the Right too. Just look at Spain under Franco.
> Countries need to be run by people who send their kids away to boarding
> school and love Tupping and killing furry/feathered animals.
Like the Junkers set?
> We should have Jaywalking legislation like the Merkins.
That well known bastion of left-wing thought..
Phil.
--
Phil Launchbury, IT PHB
'I'm training the bats that live in my cube
to juggle mushrooms'
Phil Launchbury
> In article <6l8jmdF...@mid.individual.net>, JackH says...
>
> it, what gives them the right to bung a sodding great sign up on common
> land in the first fucking place?
>
> We've been hijacked by idiots and they've set controls for the heart of
> stupidity.
Something similar happened in Swindon - two kids playing on the
pavement decided to run out into the road without bothering to look.
Right in front of an oncoming bus. I ex-kid and one with serious
injuries.
Rather than placing the blame where it belongs (the kids and their
parents) there was a lot of agitation to slow the traffic down along
that road to "protect the children". And since it was in a 30 zone that
would have meant having a 20mph limit along a (fairly busy) main road.
Which (in a burst of rare common sense) got dropped pretty quickly.
dog
> what gives them the right to bung a sodding great sign up on common
> land in the first fucking place?
the same thing that gives you the right to put up a sign next to it that
says "parents! teach your children how to use pedestrian crossings, unless
you prefer them to be squelched into jam!"
--
dog
rsv1000rf sl1000 two#5 pwcram#3
Bear
> Bear wrote:
>
> > It winds me up every time I pass the sodding sign. And while we're
> > at it, what gives them the right to bung a sodding great sign up on
> > common land in the first fucking place?
>
> Umm...possibly the fact that it's on common land?
In which case, I'm presumably equally entitled to saw the fucking thing
down.
Cool, thanks.
Bear
> Bear wrote:
>
> > We've been hijacked by idiots and they've set controls for the heart
> > of stupidity.
>
> Socialism, innit.
No, it isn't. This move to knee-jerk legislation started under a
conservative government. Maggie's, to be precise. I see that period
more as a dictatorship than socialism.
And didn't they also introduce speed cameras during that era?
> Countries need to be run by people who send their kids away to boarding
> school and love Tupping and killing furry/feathered animals.
I think it's time for your medication :)
> Have you considered spray painting the sign "It is the parent's fault" and
> leaving dolls with nails through their heads cable tied to the railings?
I'd by lying if I said I hadn't thought about putting a sign up next to
it that said "have you considered teaching your offspring to cross the
sodding road?" but no, I wouldn't ever do it, as it would be ... well, a
bit cruel, and I don't do that.
> We should have Jaywalking legislation like the Merkins.
No we shouldn't; we should allow people to make rational decisions as to
where and when they wish to cross the bloody road, and if our offspring
are too young or too dumb to decide for themselves then we shouldn't be
allowing them to make the decision for themselves, or not complaining
when they do get squished.
Bear
Yarp. There's a village near Swindon (on the B4040) which used to have
home-made signs up saying "community video taping in operation - you are
being filmed!" ... it was a small bunch of local coffin-dodgers who
invested their own time and money in videoing those they deemed to be
"driving inconsiderately" I always made a point of tear-arsing through
there like a cunt on the 9R, using as many revs as humanly possible.
Bunch of cunts.
Hog
> In article <gcn6ck$m53$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Hog says...
>> Countries need to be run by people who send their kids away to
>> boarding school and love Tupping and killing furry/feathered animals.
>
> I think it's time for your medication :)
<thinks>
Oi, Medication, stop ironing those shirts and come sit on my cock. Again.
You are right. Again.
Alex Ferrier
>
> True, but previously there was a sort of unspoken covenant that said
> governments didn't take the piss to that degree. Then something
> started, around the time Maggie first got in, but that could, in
> fairness, have been a coincidence (although I'm not sure it was), and
> has been continued by every government since - if in doubt, legislate.
Well, I give not a fig for the problems of you, the common pleb.
I shall soon be above such minor concerns as I'm about to join
the ranks of the super rich according to this 'ere letter
(actually addressed to me personally) I have received from Malaga.
Appararently as a participating finalist in the Bonoloto Loteria,
I have won a share of the total prize fund of one hundred and ten
million euros. Odd thing is, I don't even remember entering, funny
old world.
I shall complete the "payment processing form" forthwith.
Including all requested banks details, the fax it to the supplied
telephone number immediately.
First time I've seen an actual snail mail version of this.
Bear
> Bear wrote:
> > In article <gcn6ck$m53$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Hog says...
>
> >> Countries need to be run by people who send their kids away to
> >> boarding school and love Tupping and killing furry/feathered animals.
> >
> > I think it's time for your medication :)
>
> <thinks>
>
> Oi, Medication, stop ironing those shirts and come sit on my cock. Again.
>
> You are right. Again.
That's just put me in mind of the Steve Bell "kimosabe" cartoon.
Bear
> Bear wrote:
> > what gives them the right to bung a sodding great sign up on common
> > land in the first fucking place?
>
> the same thing that gives you the right to put up a sign next to it that
> says "parents! teach your children how to use pedestrian crossings, unless
> you prefer them to be squelched into jam!"
I so want to, but it just strikes me as a bit too cruel.
There's the opprobrium to think of too.
Pete Fisher
<x@x.x> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>Bear wrote:
>>
>> JackH says...
>>
>>> The other thing they've been doing in Kent is lowering the speedlimits
>>> progressively on a number of roads which were, IMHO at least, quite safe
>>> whilst NSL.
>>
>
>Get used to it. All the formerly nice NSL main roads around here
>have been turned into a double white lined hotchpotch of 30/40/50
>zones. Red painted slowing zones, loads of extra warning signs.
>
Same 'round here' pretty much. One or two interesting routes have
survived fortunately.
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Hog
Euthanasia for all wrinklies, age range to be set at 5 years older than me
at any given time.
What we need are hordes of naughty little niggers and white meat trailer
trash cutting swathes of terror through their towns and villages. Lots of
late night burgling and householder murder, 70 y/o women being raped. Pet
cats and dogs being butchered. That should give them something better to
think about.
Hog
link?
Bear
says...
They actually sent a letter?! That's so sweet of them :)
"M'banta! What are we to do with scamming these backward types living
in wales?"
"Well N'tosi, they do not seem to have the brains to work a bloody
computer, so I am sending them lots of lovely letters. The stamp
licking was getting me down, but I've pressed a giraffe into service,
and all is going well."
"Excellent my friend. Excellent. Continue."
Bear
> Bear wrote:
> > In article <gcn8pb$vck$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Hog says...
> >> Bear wrote:
> >>> In article <gcn6ck$m53$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Hog says...
> >>
> >>>> Countries need to be run by people who send their kids away to
> >>>> boarding school and love Tupping and killing furry/feathered
> >>>> animals.
> >>>
> >>> I think it's time for your medication :)
> >>
> >> <thinks>
> >>
> >> Oi, Medication, stop ironing those shirts and come sit on my cock.
> >> Again.
> >>
> >> You are right. Again.
> >
> > That's just put me in mind of the Steve Bell "kimosabe" cartoon.
>
> link?
I googled, but no joy.
Basically, Phil The Greek is playing golf in seth efrica (IIRC), with a
"darkie" (as he refers to him) as his caddie. Each time the Duke of
Edinburgh barks an order, the native says "yes kimosabe" or "right away,
kimosabe".
In the last frame a dog is looking to take a dump on one of the greens,
and the local shouts at him "hey dog! Don't you dare do any kimosabe
round here!"
Hey, it was a long, long time ago, and it made me chuckle, ok?
Bear
> What we need are hordes of naughty little niggers and white meat trailer
> trash cutting swathes of terror through their towns and villages. Lots of
> late night burgling and householder murder, 70 y/o women being raped.
"Dogs & cats living together, mass hysteria".
CT
> Well, I give not a fig for the problems of you, the common pleb. I
> shall soon be above such minor concerns as I'm about to join the
> ranks of the super rich according to this 'ere letter (actually
> addressed to me personally) I have received from Malaga. Appararently
> as a participating finalist in the Bonoloto Loteria, I have won a
> share of the total prize fund of one hundred and ten million euros.
You too, eh?
> Odd thing is, I don't even remember entering, funny old world.
>
> I shall complete the "payment processing form" forthwith. Including
> all requested banks details, the fax it to the supplied telephone
> number immediately.
>
> First time I've seen an actual snail mail version of this.
I've had a few over the last year or so no sign of the money as yet. I
ought to give them a call and jog their memory as that 60ft Sunseeker
will go to someone else if I don't divvy up the deposit sharpish.
--
Chris
Hog
Ah yes I recall! I couldn't find a link either.
CT
> Or even and this is a bit of a shocker actually maintaining the roads.
> A lot of the roads in my part of surrey are a patchwork of repairs
> with often fairly large potholes, unpleasant in a car but potentially
> dangerous for any two wheeled vehicle.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7658956.stm
"Pothole payouts top repair bills"
--
Chris
Soylent Green
Insertion of the words "NOT" and "ENOUGH" would be far more subtle.
--
Soy.
Ducati 750 SS (slightly distorted)
Suzuki GSX650F
Colin Irvine
squeezed out the following:
>Yarp. There's a village near Swindon (on the B4040) which used to have
>home-made signs up saying "community video taping in operation - you are
>being filmed!" ... it was a small bunch of local coffin-dodgers who
>invested their own time and money in videoing those they deemed to be
>"driving inconsiderately" I always made a point of tear-arsing through
>there like a cunt on the 9R, using as many revs as humanly possible.
Win/win. You're happy to have upset them, they're happy to have been
vindicated.
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ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5
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Vass
<se...@14b.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 8 Oct, 11:17, "Vass" <4rfs...@34fq3qd.com> wrote:
>> "Speedgazebo" <nicka...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> speed camera's
>> this may or may not be it though
>
> New list:
>
> AM#1 Speedgazebo
> AM#2 Vass
>
coo, do I get to show this under my sig' ?
--
Vass
AM#2
Bear
says...
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:48:24 +0100, Bear <bastard...@gmail.com>
> squeezed out the following:
>
> >Yarp. There's a village near Swindon (on the B4040) which used to have
> >home-made signs up saying "community video taping in operation - you are
> >being filmed!" ... it was a small bunch of local coffin-dodgers who
> >invested their own time and money in videoing those they deemed to be
> >"driving inconsiderately" I always made a point of tear-arsing through
> >there like a cunt on the 9R, using as many revs as humanly possible.
>
> Win/win. You're happy to have upset them, they're happy to have been
> vindicated.
Exactly. I do aim to please my audience :)
Switters
allegedly wrote:
> [1] Or a cow/horse etc, but they're a little harder to get in the boot
> of a Saab.
heh, tempting feedline there, squire.
Eddie
>
> I've mentioned this before, but there's an accident black spot near
> AndyR/Eddie that looks like the local council bought a job lot of
> warning signs, heavily discounted by the hundred, and lobbed the lot in.
And the coloured tarmac, don't forget that.
> I have it in mind that Eddie said they'd tidied it up a bit recently,
> and removed a few, BICBW. It was an amazing sight though.
It might just be that the Exhaust Fairies have decided to branch out
into road signs...
--
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His: ZX-9R, Elefant 900 http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm
Hers: Monster S4R, GSX600F (breaking, everything must go!)
Bear
> Bear wrote:
> >
> > I've mentioned this before, but there's an accident black spot near
> > AndyR/Eddie that looks like the local council bought a job lot of
> > warning signs, heavily discounted by the hundred, and lobbed the lot in.
>
> And the coloured tarmac, don't forget that.
Oh god yeah, forgot about that :)
Jim
Bear <bastard...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I've mentioned this before, but there's an accident black spot near
>> > AndyR/Eddie that looks like the local council bought a job lot of
>> > warning signs, heavily discounted by the hundred, and lobbed the lot in.
>>
>> And the coloured tarmac, don't forget that.
>
>Oh god yeah, forgot about that :)
Eventually as everything becomes more and more brightly coloured and
reflective and lit up, the only way of being visible amongst the angry
fruit salad will be by being entirely black.
--
CB500 (blue + flies)
Champ
>Bear wrote:
>>
>> I've mentioned this before, but there's an accident black spot near
>> AndyR/Eddie that looks like the local council bought a job lot of
>> warning signs, heavily discounted by the hundred, and lobbed the lot in.
>
>And the coloured tarmac, don't forget that.
"...I may hard, but he's a bloody cycle-path!"
--
Champ
Two standard issue crutches
To email me, neal at my domain should work.
Bear
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:24:45 +0100, Eddie <ed...@deguello.org> wrote:
>
> >Bear wrote:
> >>
> >> I've mentioned this before, but there's an accident black spot near
> >> AndyR/Eddie that looks like the local council bought a job lot of
> >> warning signs, heavily discounted by the hundred, and lobbed the lot in.
> >
> >And the coloured tarmac, don't forget that.
>
> "...I may hard, but he's a bloody cycle-path!"
"Leave him, he's menthol".
Eddie
Works for me.