OT: Blackberry result
TOG@Toil
rogue connections, and the letter sent to the two Carphone Whorehouse
honchos (Charles Dunstone and Andrew Harrison)....
CW just called. All their guys admit that the handset has been
behaving irregularly (bear in mind that this is a replacement handset
after the first one acted in this way), and they can find no
explanation for it. "System error" is the best they can come up with.
They're baffled. It misbehaves and they don't know why.
So they're crediting my account with £300 to go out and select another
handset of my choice. 3G iPhone, me thinks.
Result. After six months. Thanks to Wessie for the heads-up.
Whinging Courier
> So they're crediting my account with £300 to go out and select another
> handset of my choice. 3G iPhone, me thinks.
>
> Result. After six months. Thanks to Wessie for the heads-up.
Why bother? The iPhone is shit. Use the money for something better, like
10 months of premium porn content.
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Cab
Good. 'cos my Brother didn't have a clue either. Neither did his
colleagues.
Anyway, HTC Touch Cruise is the way to go. Forget the iPhone shite.
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Cane
> So they're crediting my account with £300 to go out and select another
> handset of my choice. 3G iPhone, me thinks.
Christ, why?
darsy
he's an idiot.
speaking of idiots, I was 1/2 way through composing an email to you
about doing a "Cane's Stansted Valet Service" operation, when it
occured to me that as there are four of us going, and the car only has
four seats, someone would have to go in the boot between your place
and the airport. And the boot will be full of luggage.
d'oh.
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wrote:
They're very nice toys. I'm certainly glad to have one. But... I
wouldn't want it as my only phone. It's useful for browsing, picking
up email etc. etc. I prefer it (by far) to any Windows Mobile device
but this is personal preference.
Simian
>
> So they're crediting my account with £300 to go out and select another
> handset of my choice. 3G iPhone, me thinks.
What are you, some kind of Apple fanboi?
Oh.
Hang on a second...
As you were.
Seriously though, I thought you were some kind of technophobe; what are
you going to do with an iPhone?
TOG@Toil
Um, muttergrumbledunnoactuallyit'sjustshinyshiny
OK, then, hijacking the 'what phone should I get?' thread from
Bear....
£300 to spend. I want something that I cxan easily point at my email,
with a decent web browser, that will work reliably everywhere on the
planet, and goodies like GPS/satnav are welcome. I don't give a stuff
about the camera quality because I have (counts on fingers) five
Nikons of varying ages and sophistication for that.
dead...@burnt.org.uk
If browsing is important there's currently nothing IME that does the
job as well as the iPhone.
If sending email's important then I'd look at something with a qwerty
keyboard or at least a physical keyboard- Palm WM device or a Nokia
N95 possibly. Maybe a RIM device might fit the bill?
Vass
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I have a brand new one, never used. For the right kinda money
£ 400 new £ 250 for mine if you bend my arm.
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Simian
> On 19 Aug, 13:56, "Simian" <Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:
>
> > Seriously though, I thought you were some kind of technophobe; what
> > are you going to do with an iPhone?
>
> Um, muttergrumbledunnoactuallyit'sjustshinyshiny
>
> £300 to spend. I want something that I cxan easily point at my email,
> with a decent web browser, that will work reliably everywhere on the
> planet, and goodies like GPS/satnav are welcome.
Actually, for that you might as well get an iPhone. Most of the Windows
phones have really tedious user interfaces, most of the Nokia phones
are almost as bad (N95 - yuk) and quite a few of them are very slow
indeed.
The only two places the iPhone falls down are the slightly dodgy 3G
chipset, and the closed platform.
Simon Wilson
Whinging Courier
Get a Nokia N810 for big, full-featured browsing and a SE K850i for 3.5g
data.
Scraggy
>
> Ł300 to spend. I want something that I cxan easily point at my email,
> with a decent web browser, that will work reliably everywhere on the
> planet, and goodies like GPS/satnav are welcome. I don't give a stuff
> about the camera quality because I have (counts on fingers) five
> Nikons of varying ages and sophistication for that.
I'm looking at one of these ATM, but not bought it yet.
http://www.twenga.co.uk/prices-Touch-Diamond-HTC-Smartphone-475818-0
Review here(1)
Part 1 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dY-cu7BvFZw
Part 2 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xE23duRUnuA
Part 3 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m-NFweHBe0w
(1)Reviewer is a boring cunt but at least you can see it operating.
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Whinging Courier
> dead...@burnt.org.uk wrote:
>
>> Maybe a RIM device might fit the bill?
>
> huh?
>
NSFW
Simon Wilson
> Simon Wilson wrote:
>> dead...@burnt.org.uk wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe a RIM device might fit the bill?
>>
>> huh?
>>
> http://www.gbfratboys.com/sites/06_09_2006/Arse-Lickers/arse-licker.jpg
>
> NSFW
>
<not clicking>
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ginge
Be aware the iphone regularly grabs data for itself in a similar
manner and can't be properly switched off.
If you want a proper *phone* to use abroad I'd suggest you look at one
of the high end nokias, or maybe see what sony erricson have to offer.
Simian
> In article
> <e9cd92cf-b0a7-410f...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> TOG@Toil <totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > #300 to spend. I want something that I cxan easily point at my
> > email, with a decent web browser, that will work reliably
> > everywhere on the planet, and goodies like GPS/satnav are welcome.
> > I don't give a stuff about the camera quality because I have
> > (counts on fingers) five Nikons of varying ages and sophistication
> > for that.
>
> You could hold out for the first Google Android devices to be released
> later this year, if you don't like the iPhone.
Two things - first it looks like he _does_ like the iPhone, and second,
if you can buy an Android device this year I'll eat an item of clothing.
> I'm currently on a cheapish Nokia phone because of the above. It's
> silly to get locked into a long contract on an iPhone when there are
> so many interesting new devices about to launch.
There have been lots of interesting devices about to launch since I've
worked in the industry. Most of them are either disappointing, or get
canned.
dead...@burnt.org.uk
<siwi...@NODAMNSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>dead...@burnt.org.uk wrote:
>
>> Maybe a RIM device might fit the bill?
>
>huh?
I was being hopeful that TOG might go into a shop complaining about
his blackberry and asking if he could see one of the RIM devices.
dead...@burnt.org.uk
>You sound quite jaded and cynical. From my perspective iPhone/Android
>are set to deliver a number of things that just haven't been possible
>before
Actually he sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Appearing
jaded and cynical is really just experience cutting through marketing
bullshit; spoken by a marketeer...
Phil Launchbury
Judging by my experience of phone shops he'd get a blank look and a
"huh?".
Phil
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Simian
> In article <h_KdnagMh_wgSjfV...@supernews.com>,
> Simian <Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:
> >> You could hold out for the first Google Android devices to be
> released >> later this year, if you don't like the iPhone.
> >
> > Two things - first it looks like he does like the iPhone, and
> > second, if you can buy an Android device this year I'll eat an item
> > of clothing.
>
> Well, there's a lot of difference between thinking that the iPhone is
> shiny and getting irritated by iTunes and the rest of the Apple
> lock-in.
He's a Mac owner...
> And yes, Android may be delayed into next year. It wouldn't be
> "holding out" if you weren't taking that risk, would it?
Android the platform will probably come out next year. A proper, usable
phone? Maybe, if the manufacturers cancel some projects or something.
> > There have been lots of interesting devices about to launch since
> > I've worked in the industry. Most of them are either disappointing,
> > or get canned.
>
> You sound quite jaded and cynical. From my perspective iPhone/Android
> are set to deliver a number of things that just haven't been possible
> before
>
> * Real web browsing in a mobile form factor, of the proper internet,
> not wap
> * big screens
> * Sync between email and calendar that's actually accessible to
> individuals, not companies.
> * Viewing music and video rather than having another device for it
> * Third party applications rather than network lock-down
The iPhone is a semi-closed platform. And if google are to be believed,
Android will be so open its brains are liable to fall out.
Anyway, all the above have been available since before 2005. HTC have
been churning out Window Mobile devices for ages, Nokia have been doing
the same with Symbian.
Even my little SonyE will play music, browse the real internet, connect
to my IMAPS/SMTPS server, install third party apps, and sync contact
info.
There's an N95 in the draw over there that will do all of that, plus it
has a reasonable screen and it might even play video. There's
definitely a Motorola device that plays video (plus everything else you
list), with a large-ish screen.
I've got an HTC Universal with a VGA screen, usable keyboard, that came
free with a contract. In fact back in 1999 I was playing with a device
that would do all of that - although not in colour - which was
cancelled just before it went into production.
4 years ago I was playing with a large touch screen device with haptic
feedback and accelerometers which allowed you to browse / play games
just by moving it a bit. That company went bust, primarily because they
poo-pooed bluetooth.
> * Cheap data connections
That's a network thing, unless you're talking about wireless, in which
case see above, even my Sony will do that.
> and the kickers
>
> * Delivering all of the above with actual usability rather than days
> of fiddling.
Well the UI on most phones is shite, and you've not even seen an
Android phone UI.
> * and at a sensible price
Erm, which universe are you living in? Why on earth do you think a
phone powerful enough to run Android will be any cheaper than anything
around today?
ogden
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:09:15 +0100, Nick <nu...@0.0.0.0> wrote:
>
> >In article <5ZadnReP4J2bdDfV...@supernews.com>,
> >Simian <Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:
> >>> Well, there's a lot of difference between thinking that the iPhone is
> >>> shiny and getting irritated by iTunes and the rest of the Apple
> >>> lock-in.
> >>
> >>He's a Mac owner...
> >
> >elsewhere. I didn't know the OP used a Mac.
>
> That's only one of quite a few things known to many round here, but
> not to you, it would seem.
>
> Here's a hint: Pick your battles!
>
<snip>
And here's one for you - trim your bleedin posts!
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Ben
Ignore the naysayers, the iPhone is the only one IMO that can fulfil
the first two of your criteria perfectly.
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Ben
<the.gin...@THISgmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:33:16 -0700 (PDT), "TOG@Toil"
><totallyde...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Following the recent tale of woe about my handset making multiple
>>rogue connections, and the letter sent to the two Carphone Whorehouse
>>honchos (Charles Dunstone and Andrew Harrison)....
>>
>>CW just called. All their guys admit that the handset has been
>>behaving irregularly (bear in mind that this is a replacement handset
>>after the first one acted in this way), and they can find no
>>explanation for it. "System error" is the best they can come up with.
>>They're baffled. It misbehaves and they don't know why.
>>
>>So they're crediting my account with £300 to go out and select another
>>handset of my choice. 3G iPhone, me thinks.
>
>Be aware the iphone regularly grabs data for itself in a similar
>manner
Well,yeah, but who gives a toss when you've got unlimited data on the
tariff? And if you're abroad then you just turn off the data roaming.
Which is off by default anyway.
> and can't be properly switched off.
Yes it can. It just doesn't do anything when it's off. Which is
obvious really, until you want an alarm to go off :-)
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DR
<addressdoesntworksodontbot...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Get a Nokia N810 for big, full-featured browsing and a SE K850i for 3.5g
> data.
I find the K850i does rather well for browsing, if you install Opera
Mini. Of course it can't handle Flash sites at all.
Greybeard
"Cab" <Ros...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Following the recent tale of woe about my handset making multiple
> rogue connections, and the letter sent to the two Carphone Whorehouse
> honchos (Charles Dunstone and Andrew Harrison)....
>
> CW just called. All their guys admit that the handset has been
> behaving irregularly (bear in mind that this is a replacement handset
> after the first one acted in this way), and they can find no
> explanation for it. "System error" is the best they can come up with.
> They're baffled. It misbehaves and they don't know why.
>
> So they're crediting my account with £300 to go out and select another
> handset of my choice. 3G iPhone, me thinks.
>
Good. 'cos my Brother didn't have a clue either. Neither did his
colleagues.
Anyway, HTC Touch Cruise is the way to go. Forget the iPhone shite.
Seconded
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Nah, my touch has a much better mail app than the iPhone.
Browser OTOH...
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Simian
> >
> > Android the platform will probably come out next year. A proper,
> > usable phone? Maybe, if the manufacturers cancel some projects or
> > something.
>
> shipping an HTC phone running Android in September in the States. I
> don't think it's unreasonable to expect something usable within 12
> months.
Really? Well I suppose stranger things have happened. I guess if
google, t-mobile, and HTC have been working together for the last 12
months, have got the network testing out of the way, have managed to
run through the platform and application tests, and have had the
hardware with finalised ROM in production since the end of July, they
might be able to release something in September.
Having worked with HTC, "Shipping in September" sounds like "Testing
started in the second week of August, how long can it take?" to me. But
that might just be the cynicism creeping in.
> > Anyway, all the above have been available since before 2005. HTC
> > have been churning out Window Mobile devices for ages, Nokia have
> > been doing the same with Symbian.
>
> But how many people are actually using such things? Judging by a
> (hardly statistically sound) sample of my acquaintances pretty much
> no-one outside the corporate world has been doing email or internet
> on their phones until iPhone came along, because it's too fiddly and
> too expensive. I had about 2 mates who knew how to use WAP and that
> was it.
On my phone I press the button marked 'internet' and it all just works.
On the N95 I select the icon marked 'web', and it all just works. On
the Universal... well you get the idea. On my SE, the email setup is a
wizard that takes you through the steps when you select the email icon,
on the Universal, there's a soft button marked 'setup email' which
takes you through the process, one path of which is "take settings from
outlook".
Most people couldn't set up their desktop email without a walk through,
and the phone is no different. OK, maybe slightly harder. I've never
set up an email account with an iPhone, but surely it needs the same
information as everything else: address, server addresses, server
types, port numbers, username and password.
You are right, in that the iPhone and Android devices will be squarely
aimed at the 'cool consumer' market, and so people are much more likely
to use the features. To that end, Apple appear to have hired a designer
for the iPhone, rather than a chimp with a escher-sketch like every
other mobile manufacturer in the world does.
> >> * Cheap data connections
> >
> > That's a network thing
>
> Yes, but as far as the non-corporate end user is concerned there's no
> point in fancy phone features unless you can get them with a contract
> that doesn't make you pay through the nose for data. So it's
> incredibly important.
And available with or without Android, or the iPhone.
> >> * and at a sensible price
> >
> > Erm, which universe are you living in? Why on earth do you think a
> > phone powerful enough to run Android will be any cheaper than
> > anything around today?
>
> Market forces say that if I can already get a entry-level iPhone for
> 100 pounds on a 30 pound a month tariff then extra competition is
> hardly going to make prices increase.
You'd be paying roughly ?500 for the iPhone 8 gig model over 18 months.
Any set of hardware with a similar spec is going to cost the same -
mobile production costs and the mobile market place lead to very
slender margines for the hardware companies.
> Like I say, I have a Nokia which runs Symbian and hence does do a lot
> of smartphone type stuff, but is bloody fiddly to use and set up.
The Symbian/Nokia devices do have a terrible, terrible UI.
Simon Wilson
Ok I'll go for the whoosh - BlackBerry is just one of RIM's trademarks
isn't it?
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/me passes a large, economy scale 'Whoosh' to Mr. Wilson.
Cane
> > > So they're crediting my account with £300 to go out and select another
> > > handset of my choice. 3G iPhone, me thinks.
>
> > Christ, why?
>
> he's an idiot.
>
> speaking of idiots, I was 1/2 way through composing an email to you
> about doing a "Cane's Stansted Valet Service" operation, when it
> occured to me that as there are four of us going, and the car only has
> four seats, someone would have to go in the boot between your place
> and the airport. And the boot will be full of luggage.
Soon the boys will be at an age where they won't want to go with you.
Phil Launchbury
> In article <04sla4hlnk3kc8p7g...@4ax.com>,
> Ace <b.ro...@ifrance.com> wrote:
>>>>> Well, there's a lot of difference between thinking that the iPhone is
>>>>> shiny and getting irritated by iTunes and the rest of the Apple
>>>>> lock-in.
>>>>
>>>>He's a Mac owner...
>>>
>>>elsewhere. I didn't know the OP used a Mac.
>>
>>That's only one of quite a few things known to many round here, but
>>not to you, it would seem.
>>
>>Here's a hint: Pick your battles!
>
You've not been reading UKRM for long then..
Phil.
darsy
I live in hope.
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Whinging Courier
I agree although I don't use the browser in the phone, I use the N800
for that and bluetooth the data across, I can use mozilla and evrfink.
You coming to derby in a couple of weeks? I'll be there and I might even
have a few drinks.
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> Judging by my experience of phone shops he'd get a blank look and a
> "huh?".
From my experience of phone shops, that's the stock response to _every_
question. And statement.
Soy.
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DR
<addressdoesntworksodontbot...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> You coming to derby in a couple of weeks? I'll be there and I might even
> have a few drinks.
Hopefully, finances permitting.
Whinging Courier
Excellent. I can't afford it either but I'll put it on the plastic ;-)