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manat...@hotmail.com
Jan 12, 2012, 3:31:18 PM1/12/12
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A comment from anothet thread "not helped by people who wish to play
with electronics (as fun as that can be)
more than they actually want top play with model trains."
Does it help or hinder?
Does it make your brain hurt?
Is it just too complicated?
What's electronics?
...
Intelligent, reasoned responses only, please :-) Humour is acceptable!
On the other had, as Mrs Merton would say, let's have a heated debate!
MBQ
with electronics (as fun as that can be)
more than they actually want top play with model trains."
Does it help or hinder?
Does it make your brain hurt?
Is it just too complicated?
What's electronics?
...
Intelligent, reasoned responses only, please :-) Humour is acceptable!
On the other had, as Mrs Merton would say, let's have a heated debate!
MBQ
Chris
Jan 12, 2012, 4:34:06 PM1/12/12
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railways then you can indulge in both. Similar for other things that
overlap model railways.
PS you must restrain yourself from feeding the troll it only degenerates
into trading insults and what's that got to do with model railways.
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Chris
Chris Wilson
Jan 12, 2012, 5:07:15 PM1/12/12
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On 12-Jan-2012, "manat...@hotmail.com" <manat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> A comment from anothet thread "not helped by people who wish to play
> with electronics (as fun as that can be)
> more than they actually want top play with model trains."
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> Does it help or hinder?
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> Does it make your brain hurt?
>
> Is it just too complicated?
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> What's electronics?
together just like they do in the 12" to the foot world nowadays :-)
Actually I think it's part of the fun - getting the 'lccies right
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All the best,
Chris
Nick Leverton
Jan 12, 2012, 6:26:31 PM1/12/12
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In article <9d1ec0d5-1aaf-40a8...@d10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
The great thing about model railways is you can pursue any aspect of it
that interests you - scenery, model engineering, superdetail, electronics.
I used to read avidly the magazines of the 60s and early 70s where
people built layout control from Post Office uniselectors and Army
Surplus relays ! Using diode networks to provide a route setting panel
was the latest idea. I still have a 1973 RM with a program for goods
train scheduling based on simulated traffic, even though I knew back
then I would never be able to afford even the simplest mainframe computer.
One constant theme has been the problem of getting enough current to
any point motors and a clean supply to trains !
However, the troll can just .... nuff said.
Nick
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that interests you - scenery, model engineering, superdetail, electronics.
I used to read avidly the magazines of the 60s and early 70s where
people built layout control from Post Office uniselectors and Army
Surplus relays ! Using diode networks to provide a route setting panel
was the latest idea. I still have a 1973 RM with a program for goods
train scheduling based on simulated traffic, even though I knew back
then I would never be able to afford even the simplest mainframe computer.
One constant theme has been the problem of getting enough current to
any point motors and a clean supply to trains !
However, the troll can just .... nuff said.
Nick
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manat...@hotmail.com
Jan 13, 2012, 3:20:58 AM1/13/12
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On Jan 12, 11:26 pm, Nick Leverton <n...@leverton.org> wrote:
> In article <9d1ec0d5-1aaf-40a8-9950-5ca59cbcb...@d10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
a shed. I would go round to collect the picture cards from the tea
packets as they had no children. If I was lucky, or brave/cheeky
enough to ask, I would get to visit the railway, but he would then
bore me with details of which WWII fighter's cockpit those switches
came from... and it had no scenery! Just didn't seem like a model
railway to me.
> was the latest idea. I still have a 1973 RM with a program for goods
> train scheduling based on simulated traffic, even though I knew back
> then I would never be able to afford even the simplest mainframe computer.
I built a transistorised controller from a design in RM in the mid-
late 70s. Who was the guy that used to write those articles?
All of the mags, these days, seem to steer away from anything too
technical. When they have published, they eirther make a real meal of
it or commit schoolboy errors.
> One constant theme has been the problem of getting enough current to
> any point motors and a clean supply to trains !
Maybe we dug our own holes by trying to use surplus equipment.
MBQ
> In article <9d1ec0d5-1aaf-40a8-9950-5ca59cbcb...@d10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
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> manatba...@hotmail.com <manatba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >A comment from anothet thread "not helped by people who wish to play
> >with electronics (as fun as that can be)
> >more than they actually want top play with model trains."
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> >Does it help or hinder?
>
> >Does it make your brain hurt?
>
> >Is it just too complicated?
>
> >What's electronics?
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> >...
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> >Intelligent, reasoned responses only, please :-) Humour is acceptable!
>
> >On the other had, as Mrs Merton would say, let's have a heated debate!
>
> The great thing about model railways is you can pursue any aspect of it
> that interests you - scenery, model engineering, superdetail, electronics.
>
> I used to read avidly the magazines of the 60s and early 70s where
> people built layout control from Post Office uniselectors and Army
> Surplus relays ! Using diode networks to provide a route setting panel
When I was a kid, the old boy two doors down had an O gauge layout in
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> manatba...@hotmail.com <manatba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >A comment from anothet thread "not helped by people who wish to play
> >with electronics (as fun as that can be)
> >more than they actually want top play with model trains."
>
> >Does it help or hinder?
>
> >Does it make your brain hurt?
>
> >Is it just too complicated?
>
> >What's electronics?
>
> >...
>
> >Intelligent, reasoned responses only, please :-) Humour is acceptable!
>
> >On the other had, as Mrs Merton would say, let's have a heated debate!
>
> The great thing about model railways is you can pursue any aspect of it
> that interests you - scenery, model engineering, superdetail, electronics.
>
> I used to read avidly the magazines of the 60s and early 70s where
> people built layout control from Post Office uniselectors and Army
> Surplus relays ! Using diode networks to provide a route setting panel
a shed. I would go round to collect the picture cards from the tea
packets as they had no children. If I was lucky, or brave/cheeky
enough to ask, I would get to visit the railway, but he would then
bore me with details of which WWII fighter's cockpit those switches
came from... and it had no scenery! Just didn't seem like a model
railway to me.
> was the latest idea. I still have a 1973 RM with a program for goods
> train scheduling based on simulated traffic, even though I knew back
> then I would never be able to afford even the simplest mainframe computer.
late 70s. Who was the guy that used to write those articles?
All of the mags, these days, seem to steer away from anything too
technical. When they have published, they eirther make a real meal of
it or commit schoolboy errors.
> One constant theme has been the problem of getting enough current to
> any point motors and a clean supply to trains !
MBQ
Christopher A. Lee
Jan 13, 2012, 12:10:02 PM1/13/12
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 00:20:58 -0800 (PST), "manat...@hotmail.com"
<manat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Why let the computer have all the fun?
Although the kind of mechanical "computer" control that Jim Russell
and Peter Denny had, allows one to operate a layout prototypically by
simulating the next signalbox up the line so that it can accept or
release trains to you.
<manat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Why let the computer have all the fun?
Although the kind of mechanical "computer" control that Jim Russell
and Peter Denny had, allows one to operate a layout prototypically by
simulating the next signalbox up the line so that it can accept or
release trains to you.
Benny
Jan 13, 2012, 12:18:23 PM1/13/12
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On 12/1/12 21:31 , manat...@hotmail.com wrote:
> A comment from anothet thread "not helped by people who wish to play
> with electronics. . .
> A comment from anothet thread "not helped by people who wish to play
When I was 19, I was interested in automating my train set using the
output from a PET (it was possible but too expensive).
Now, 33 years later and even more programming time behind me, there's no
way I'll let a computerised system near my train set as I want to use it
to relax which means not a computer in sight!
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Just zis Guy, you know?
Jan 13, 2012, 2:05:14 PM1/13/12
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Uni, I studied control systems, I got a job as a real-time control
systems programmer, and now I am perfectly happy to use a twiddly dial
to change the speed of my trains. I do like DCC though.
Guy
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Lester Caine
Jan 13, 2012, 3:28:10 PM1/13/12
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>> Now, 33 years later and even more programming time behind me, there's no
>> >way I'll let a computerised system near my train set as I want to use it
>> >to relax which means not a computer in sight!
> Aye, much the same here. I wanted to do control systems when I went to
> Uni, I studied control systems, I got a job as a real-time control
> systems programmer, and now I am perfectly happy to use a twiddly dial
> to change the speed of my trains. I do like DCC though.
Ditto ... not had time to waste on frills ... the railway runs straight of a
>> Now, 33 years later and even more programming time behind me, there's no
>> >way I'll let a computerised system near my train set as I want to use it
>> >to relax which means not a computer in sight!
> Aye, much the same here. I wanted to do control systems when I went to
> Uni, I studied control systems, I got a job as a real-time control
> systems programmer, and now I am perfectly happy to use a twiddly dial
> to change the speed of my trains. I do like DCC though.
bench power supply. But being on 45mm, I WILL get a battery truck finished, then
I don't even have to waste time making sure all the fishplates are connecting.
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Just zis Guy, you know?
Jan 13, 2012, 6:12:06 PM1/13/12
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:28:10 +0000, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk>
wrote:
>Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>>> Now, 33 years later and even more programming time behind me, there's no
>>> >way I'll let a computerised system near my train set as I want to use it
>>> >to relax which means not a computer in sight!
>> Aye, much the same here. I wanted to do control systems when I went to
>> Uni, I studied control systems, I got a job as a real-time control
>> systems programmer, and now I am perfectly happy to use a twiddly dial
>> to change the speed of my trains. I do like DCC though.
>
>Ditto ... not had time to waste on frills ... the railway runs straight of a
>bench power supply. But being on 45mm, I WILL get a battery truck finished, then
>I don't even have to waste time making sure all the fishplates are connecting.
Do what Dad's old mate Mike Chrisp did and make one that doesn't
require eletrickery. I wish I had a pic, but Google only turns up pics
of Mike himself (a man for whom the term "avuncular" was surely
invented, and a brewer of fine ales in his day too).
wrote:
>Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>>> Now, 33 years later and even more programming time behind me, there's no
>>> >way I'll let a computerised system near my train set as I want to use it
>>> >to relax which means not a computer in sight!
>> Aye, much the same here. I wanted to do control systems when I went to
>> Uni, I studied control systems, I got a job as a real-time control
>> systems programmer, and now I am perfectly happy to use a twiddly dial
>> to change the speed of my trains. I do like DCC though.
>
>Ditto ... not had time to waste on frills ... the railway runs straight of a
>bench power supply. But being on 45mm, I WILL get a battery truck finished, then
>I don't even have to waste time making sure all the fishplates are connecting.
require eletrickery. I wish I had a pic, but Google only turns up pics
of Mike himself (a man for whom the term "avuncular" was surely
invented, and a brewer of fine ales in his day too).
Lester Caine
Jan 13, 2012, 6:18:44 PM1/13/12
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:28:10 +0000, Lester Caine<les...@lsces.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> >Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>>>> >>> Now, 33 years later and even more programming time behind me, there's no
>>>>> >>> >way I'll let a computerised system near my train set as I want to use it
>>>>> >>> >to relax which means not a computer in sight!
>>> >> Aye, much the same here. I wanted to do control systems when I went to
>>> >> Uni, I studied control systems, I got a job as a real-time control
>>> >> systems programmer, and now I am perfectly happy to use a twiddly dial
>>> >> to change the speed of my trains. I do like DCC though.
>> >
>> >Ditto ... not had time to waste on frills ... the railway runs straight of a
>> >bench power supply. But being on 45mm, I WILL get a battery truck finished, then
>> >I don't even have to waste time making sure all the fishplates are connecting.
> Do what Dad's old mate Mike Chrisp did and make one that doesn't
> require eletrickery. I wish I had a pic, but Google only turns up pics
> of Mike himself (a man for whom the term "avuncular" was surely
> invented, and a brewer of fine ales in his day too).
Oh I do have a live steam engine ... but I need to make the track a little more
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:28:10 +0000, Lester Caine<les...@lsces.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> >Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>>>> >>> Now, 33 years later and even more programming time behind me, there's no
>>>>> >>> >way I'll let a computerised system near my train set as I want to use it
>>>>> >>> >to relax which means not a computer in sight!
>>> >> Aye, much the same here. I wanted to do control systems when I went to
>>> >> Uni, I studied control systems, I got a job as a real-time control
>>> >> systems programmer, and now I am perfectly happy to use a twiddly dial
>>> >> to change the speed of my trains. I do like DCC though.
>> >
>> >Ditto ... not had time to waste on frills ... the railway runs straight of a
>> >bench power supply. But being on 45mm, I WILL get a battery truck finished, then
>> >I don't even have to waste time making sure all the fishplates are connecting.
> Do what Dad's old mate Mike Chrisp did and make one that doesn't
> require eletrickery. I wish I had a pic, but Google only turns up pics
> of Mike himself (a man for whom the term "avuncular" was surely
> invented, and a brewer of fine ales in his day too).
secure before I can safely run that :(
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