Dapol's Sr Cct Utility Van (B341)
Richard J. Webb
malachite green livery looks ok.
I've only seen a photo of it on Dapol's website and the green looks very
bright, is it just the photo or is it really that shade of green ?
Thanks,
Richard.
John Sullivan
<r.w...@sheffield.ac.uk> writes
It is a matt green, not too bright, and it is different than the
Bachmann Mk.I coaches in green. It is a darker shade than the malachite
green I painted a couple of Nellie 0-4-0Ts in from a Humbrol tin.
It also says "Made in England" underneath, whereas all their other stuff
says "Made in Wales". It seems to be made from the original Wrenn tools,
with "Wrenn Railways" crudely removed. I've got 4 of them, two from
Wrenn in blue and two from Dapol in green, and I'm in the process of
converting all four of them to Kadee couplings, which is very easy with
these models.
>Thanks,
>Richard.
>
>
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Richard J. Webb
Thanks for your reply.
Are you describing the version in BR Southern REGION green as opposed to the
Southern RAILWAY malachite green one ?
The latter one looks almost turquoise in Dapol's photo.
Cheers,
Richard.
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John Sullivan
<r.w...@sheffield.ac.uk> writes
>John,
>Thanks for your reply.
>Are you describing the version in BR Southern REGION green as opposed to the
>Southern RAILWAY malachite green one ?
Hmm, sorry, yes it is the Southern REGION one, but many people say that
Southern Region Green is Malachite green, although not necessarily the
same shade as Southern Railway green.
>The latter one looks almost turquoise in Dapol's photo.
However, it no way looks turquoise, so you are probably right as regards
the colour reproduction.
Richard J. Webb
I need to see before I buy I think, it's the Southern Railway one I'm
wanting.
It seems there are hardly any r.t.r OO gauge wagons or coaches in Southern
Railway livery, at least nothing that's accurate.
Richard.
David E. Belcher
Only the CCT already mentioned, a couple of brake vans (Hornby ex-LBSC
type and the Bachmann Queen Mary) and the Dapol SR vent van (with the
distinctive roof shape) spring to mind as far as goods stock goes.
Passenger traffic fares a little better thanks to Bachmann Bulleid
stock, but it's only really suitable for later SR days. Likewise, the
new Hornby Pullmans are great, but only suitable for various "Belle"
services and boat trains. The Hornby Maunsell coaches aren't really
Maunsell stock (GW Collett types with amended roof tooling??); the old
Farish OO corridor stock was a better likeness (even though it wasn't
sold specifically as being a SR design), to be honest. Hornby did, and
may still do, do offer a bogie parcels van (the old Tri-ang one), but
the roof shape was all wrong.
David E. Belcher
Dept. of Chemistry,
University of York
Terry O'Brien
"David E. Belcher" wrote
> Passenger traffic fares a little better thanks to Bachmann Bulleid
> stock, but it's only really suitable for later SR days.
The Bachman Bulleids are *BR* versions (with deep vents).
> The Hornby Maunsell coaches aren't really
> Maunsell stock (GW Collett types with amended roof tooling..
The roof detail on the Hornby Southern coaches is a pretty good match for
Bulleid *Shorties* which had a similar layout to the later Maunsell coaches
but without the tall windows on the corridor side and with his
characteristic secondary door lights over the main door windows. As such
they make a fair basis for fitting Comet sides, just needing bogie
replacement, underframe and end detail amendments...
Or you could extend the corridor windows nearly up to the rainstrips to get
a slightly more Maunsell flavour, but the compartment side is a bit
trickier...
Piemanlarger
anywhere?
Other than the RTR models, what kits are available and from where for
NE,MR,and SR parcels vans used in Br days, roughly 1955-62 period. I am a
novice modeller so the easier the kit is, the better to start with, any
thing parcel wise.
Thanks.
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> What does CCT stand for? Were these vans used on parcels traffic in BR days
> anywhere?
In my parlance it is Circuit as in Circuit Diagram, AKA CKT.
>
> Other than the RTR models, what kits are available and from where for
> NE,MR,and SR parcels vans used in Br days, roughly 1955-62 period. I am a
> novice modeller so the easier the kit is, the better to start with, any
> thing parcel wise.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> "Richard J. Webb" <r.w...@sheffield.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>> Can anyone tell me if Dapol's Sr Cct Utility Van (B341) in Southern Railway
>> malachite green livery looks ok.
>> I've only seen a photo of it on Dapol's website and the green looks very
>> bright, is it just the photo or is it really that shade of green ?
>> Thanks,
>> Richard.
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John Turner
"Piemanlarger" wrote
> What does CCT stand for? Were these vans used on parcels traffic in BR
days
> anywhere?
Covered Carriage Truck, and yes they were.
John.
Mick Bryan
> What does CCT stand for? Were these vans used on parcels traffic in BR
days
> anywhere?
>
> Other than the RTR models, what kits are available and from where for
> NE,MR,and SR parcels vans used in Br days, roughly 1955-62 period. I am a
> novice modeller so the easier the kit is, the better to start with, any
> thing parcel wise.
>
>
CCT is Covered Carriage Truck. Often seen on parcels trains, even into the
early 1980's. A similar vehicle (but usually lacking the end doors) is the
PMV - parcels & miscellaneous van.
Parkside make a couple of pre-BR CCT's (LNER & LMS IIRC) as well as a SR
PMV.
Other vehicles regularly found in parcels trains in 1955-1962 would be the
bogied GUV - general utility van, as well as full brake BG's of various
railways. And don't forget the GWR Siphons and suchlike and in quite a few
cases, "normal" 4 wheeled vans.
Cheers,
Mick
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Large numbers of all these types lasted until the mid-1970s, at least, when
BR pulled out of the greater part of parcels traffic. The bogie stock
remained in service until the beginning of the 1980s. Stock did indeed get
on to some unusual services- I remember coming onto the concourse at Swansea
High St. in 1972, to catch the last down train, and seeing one of the three
4-wheel brakes built for the Night Ferry in the middle of a parcels train
(S3S IIRC). It wasn't unusual to see a CCT or similar as 'tail' traffic on a
DMU either.
Brian
David E. Belcher
>
Were they ever used as such in BR days, given the amount of
specialised wagons that had been built for car-carrying traffic by
then? In pre-war days, when there were less cars around, I would
imagine that CCTs and vans like the GW "Mogo" design would often
handle motor vehicle traffic.
John Turner
"David E. Belcher" wrote
> > CCT is Covered Carriage Truck.
>
> Were they ever used as such in BR days, given the amount of
> specialised wagons that had been built for car-carrying traffic by
> then? In pre-war days, when there were less cars around, I would
> imagine that CCTs and vans like the GW "Mogo" design would often
> handle motor vehicle traffic.
I seem to recall CCTs being loaded with motor cars at Inverness in the early
1980s.
John.
John Isherwood
see http://66.33.36.129/acatalog/Home_Parkside_444.html
PSPC30 (Parkside) Wagon Kit LNER Long CCT Van £8.55
PSPC33 (Parkside) Wagon Kit LMS 4 Wheel CCT Van £8.55
PSPC34 (Parkside) Wagon Kit SR 34ft BY 4 Wh Utility Van £8.55
PSPC36 (Parkside) Wagon Kit SR(SECR) PMV Parcels Van £8.55
PSPC37 (Parkside) Wagon Kit GWR Python Cov CarrTruck £8.75
PSPC39 (Parkside) Wagon Kit SR CCT Van £8.55
PSPC40 (Parkside) Wagon Kit LMS CCT Van £8.55
PSPC47 (Parkside) Wagon Kit BR(SR) CCT Van Kit £8.55
Transfers for these, and all of the Parkside BR steam-era range are
included on my Sheet S1 - see
http://www.cctrans.freeserve.co.uk/products.htm
John Isherwood,
Cambridge Custom Transfers.
Mick Bryan
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Could you possibly be confusing them with the bogied GUV? GUV's were
definitely used on Motorail traffic through the 80's and early 90's.
One of my favourite trains to see would be on the WCML, with a Driving van
trailer leading the train, passenger coaches, an 87 or 90 pushing and a
couple of GUV's tacked on behind the loco carrying cars! Most weird to look
at.
Cheers,
Mick
John Turner
"Mick Bryan" wrote
> Could you possibly be confusing them with the bogied GUV? GUV's were
> definitely used on Motorail traffic through the 80's and early 90's.
> One of my favourite trains to see would be on the WCML, with a Driving van
> trailer leading the train, passenger coaches, an 87 or 90 pushing and a
> couple of GUV's tacked on behind the loco carrying cars! Most weird to
look
> at.
Certainly could be, my memory is about as good as the hair covering on my
sunroof! :-(
John.
Piemanlarger
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