Bachmann Southern EMU models
Jane Sullivan
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Ian J.
"Jane Sullivan" <ja...@yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Just checked date, and no it isn't April 1st... ;)
Well, if they do them in Blue/Grey, I'll get one. But I'd rather have TCs
and REPs... ;)
Ian J.
crazy_ho...@yahoo.co.uk
Marvellous, and in original green as well. I can feel a 'new stock
delivery train' coming on already.
kim
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> http://www.southernelectric.org.uk/
And just to rub salt into Hornby's wound, they did the Margate run :o)
Anyone know if these same units trundled between Whitstable and Margate in
the early 1960's?
(kim)
simon
"kim" <ntsc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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anyone else care ?
Simon
John Turner
"simon" wrote
> So is this real, rebuilt and original jubilees, scots and patriots. Does
> anyone else care ?
Yup, I care - I want a nice 'Jubilee' with a DCC-ready chassis with decent
drive, but wish they'd decided to tackle the B1, J39 & V1/3 instead.
John.
kim
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I appear to have missed something. What do LMS locos have to do with the
4-CEP?
(kim)
simon
this 4-CEP whatever it is and concentrate on proper ones.
Simon
simon
"John Turner" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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wait till after others.
Simon
kim
I'm an LMS-fan myself but used to holiday at Sea Salter (near Whitstable)
and Ramsgate in the early 1960's, hence my interest in the 4CEP. (Anyone
remember the 1962 Kent heatwave?).
(kim)
Ian Cornish
But rather than announcing new stuff, I'd much rather Bachmann delivered
on what they promised would be available last year, like the Fairburn tank.
Ian
crazy_ho...@yahoo.co.uk
Oh dear, perhaps not. All units were built at Ashford or Eastleigh, not
at York like the later versions.
Hey, Hornby. How about a 'competing' 4-VEP?
;-)
simon
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old mainline and/or more recent Bachmann. Do you have something running from
whats quite a big chunk of LMS or wait and save money just in case.
Now does anyone know if can convert old Scots etc into something different ?
Simon
kim
I doubt if Bachmann will invest in the moulds for a big-boilered Jubilee
anytime soon so it might be worth getting a couple of those. You could
always plonk the old body on top of the new chassis when it becomes
available. As a rule I would avoid the earlier Mainline versions of Bachmann
locos unless I was on a very limited budget. I've seen them go for as little
as £10 in less popular liveries.
(kim)
:::Jerry::::
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>
<snip>
[ re Bachmann
>
> Hey, Hornby. How about a 'competing' 4-VEP?
>
Never mind the VEP, how about that rumoured MLV or EPB...
Fred X
I keep meaning to email Replica Railways about their alleged
MLV, as I haven't heard much about it recently. As they spent
a lot of their lives working with 4 CEP's it would go nicely
with Bachmann's model.
Fred X
jaspe...@yahoo.com
realised that there's a market for rtr southern EMUs. Perhaps some
others will get the message. My ancient Triang Hornby 2BIL is getting
as decrepit as the real ones were.
Im a dyed in the wool steam fan, but a Southern layout without at
least one 'green snake' doesn't look quite right to me,
kim
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> Lets just be thankful that at least one manufacturer has finally
> realised that there's a market for rtr southern EMUs.
Not necessarily. A powerful pressure group has persuaded Bachmann there is a
market for such a model. Whether there really is or not we will only find
out when it finally goes on sale.
(kim)
simon
> buy
>> old mainline and/or more recent Bachmann. Do you have something running
> from
>> whats quite a big chunk of LMS or wait and save money just in case.
>
> I doubt if Bachmann will invest in the moulds for a big-boilered Jubilee
> anytime soon so it might be worth getting a couple of those. You could
> always plonk the old body on top of the new chassis when it becomes
> available. As a rule I would avoid the earlier Mainline versions of
> Bachmann
> locos unless I was on a very limited budget. I've seen them go for as
> little
> as £10 in less popular liveries.
>
> (kim)
>
Not buying any more of either Mainline or current Bachmann, got a good
enough selection already. This announcement is all the incentive I need to
wait - trying to get a Mainline running was another.
Simon
John Turner
"kim" wrote
> Not necessarily. A powerful pressure group has persuaded Bachmann there is
> a
> market for such a model. Whether there really is or not we will only find
> out when it finally goes on sale.
A similar pressure group convinced Hornby that there was a model for the Q1
0-6-0, but this was fairly quickly 'jobbed out' on special offer by the
manufacturer, or maybe it's just that the volume necessary for viable
production in China is too great for such a geographically restricted
prototype.
I wonder whether the same will happen with the M7, Lord Nelson and their
third Bulleid Pacific in recent years.
I hope the EMU proves to be successful for Bachmann, but I cannot help
having reservations.
John.
:::Jerry::::
"John Turner" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>
> "kim" wrote
>
> > Not necessarily. A powerful pressure group has persuaded Bachmann
there is
> > a
> > market for such a model. Whether there really is or not we will
only find
> > out when it finally goes on sale.
>
> A similar pressure group convinced Hornby that there was a model
for the Q1
> 0-6-0, but this was fairly quickly 'jobbed out' on special offer by
the
> manufacturer, or maybe it's just that the volume necessary for
viable
> production in China is too great for such a geographically
restricted
> prototype.
I must say that I was surprised by the choice of the Q1, even in
their heyday many areas of the SR didn't see them.
>
> I wonder whether the same will happen with the M7, Lord Nelson and
their
> third Bulleid Pacific in recent years.
I know it was a different time and all that but IIRC the original
Tri-ang Hornby M7 was one of their best sellers!
>
> I hope the EMU proves to be successful for Bachmann, but I cannot
help
> having reservations.
>
You are allowing your locality to cloud your judgment I suspect, I
can remember (not so many years ago) when people were poo-pooing the
idea that ex LNER loco's would sell in commercial quantities...
John Turner
":::Jerry::::" wrote
> I know it was a different time and all that but IIRC the original
> Tri-ang Hornby M7 was one of their best sellers!
They produced so little at the time they made the M7 that virtually
everything was one of their best sellers. It's a different world today as
you so rightly claim.
> You are allowing your locality to cloud your judgment I suspect, I
> can remember (not so many years ago) when people were poo-pooing the
> idea that ex LNER loco's would sell in commercial quantities...
I probably am, but with some experience of the sales of the Q1 and Bulleid
Pacifics.
I don't recall anyone poo-poohing the prospective market for LNER locos,
after all 'Flying Scotsman', 'Mallard' and the ill-chosen B12 had been
amongst Hornby's best sellers for years! ;-)
John.
:::Jerry::::
"John Turner" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>
> ":::Jerry::::" wrote
>
> > I know it was a different time and all that but IIRC the original
> > Tri-ang Hornby M7 was one of their best sellers!
>
> They produced so little at the time they made the M7 that virtually
> everything was one of their best sellers. It's a different world
today as
> you so rightly claim.
I suspect it had more to do with being one of the few SR RTR models
on the market, I also suspect that it's gimmicks [1] sold a few too.
[1] opening smoke box door and IIRC fire box glow.
>
> > You are allowing your locality to cloud your judgment I suspect,
I
> > can remember (not so many years ago) when people were poo-pooing
the
> > idea that ex LNER loco's would sell in commercial quantities...
>
> I probably am, but with some experience of the sales of the Q1 and
Bulleid
> Pacifics.
>
> I don't recall anyone poo-poohing the prospective market for LNER
locos,
> after all 'Flying Scotsman', 'Mallard' and the ill-chosen B12 had
been
> amongst Hornby's best sellers for years! ;-)
>
They did down in SR land, they did in LMS land, they did in GWR
land.... :~)
John Ruddy
> "kim" wrote
>
>> Not necessarily. A powerful pressure group has persuaded Bachmann there is
>> a
>> market for such a model. Whether there really is or not we will only find
>> out when it finally goes on sale.
>
> A similar pressure group convinced Hornby that there was a model for the Q1
> 0-6-0, but this was fairly quickly 'jobbed out' on special offer by the
> manufacturer, or maybe it's just that the volume necessary for viable
> production in China is too great for such a geographically restricted
> prototype.
>
I can't recall any great lobby for a Q1, when there were much better and
more popular southern loco's still awaiting production, such as the M7
or the King Arthur. Apparently the Q1 sells very well in Scotland.
:::Jerry::::
"John Ruddy" <jo...@ruddy2.eclipse.co.uk> wrote in message
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> John Turner wrote:
<snip>
> >
> > A similar pressure group convinced Hornby that there was a model
for the Q1
> > 0-6-0, but this was fairly quickly 'jobbed out' on special offer
by the
> > manufacturer, or maybe it's just that the volume necessary for
viable
> > production in China is too great for such a geographically
restricted
> > prototype.
> >
>
> I can't recall any great lobby for a Q1, when there were much
better and
> more popular southern loco's still awaiting production, such as the
M7
> or the King Arthur. Apparently the Q1 sells very well in Scotland.
>
As I see it there was two reasons why Hornby chose a Q1, one was
pressure (on all RTR manufactures) for more ex Southern steam and
secondly the then forth coming anniversary of VE day with all the war
time reminiscing it would bring - it would have made far more cense -
if Hornby wanted a ex SR 0-6-0 tender loco - to choose the earlier Q
class although the Q1 does tie up with their apparent Bulleid theme
of late!
kim
>
> "kim" <ntsc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > "simon" <si...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> Agree generally but in this case it takes away the question of wether
to
> > buy
> >> old mainline and/or more recent Bachmann. Do you have something running
> > from
> >> whats quite a big chunk of LMS or wait and save money just in case.
> >
> > I doubt if Bachmann will invest in the moulds for a big-boilered Jubilee
> > anytime soon so it might be worth getting a couple of those. You could
> > always plonk the old body on top of the new chassis when it becomes
> > available. As a rule I would avoid the earlier Mainline versions of
> > Bachmann
> > locos unless I was on a very limited budget. I've seen them go for as
> > little
> > as £10 in less popular liveries.
> >
> > (kim)
> >
> Whats a big boilered Jubilee ?
45736 "Phoenix" and 45735 "Comet" were rebuilt in 1942 with more powerful
Type 2A boiler and double chimney. Amazingly, both were produced in model
form by Mainline despite the obviously limited market.
(kim)
Jane Sullivan
":::Jerry::::" <m...@privacy.INVALID> writes
In that case, I'm looking forward to the forthcoming issue of the Leader
class model :-)
John Turner
"kim" wrote
> 45736 "Phoenix" and 45735 "Comet" were rebuilt in 1942 with more powerful
> Type 2A boiler and double chimney. Amazingly, both were produced in model
> form by Mainline despite the obviously limited market.
Not quite sure that the Mainline Railways models of 'Comet' & 'Phoenix' were
all that accurate. I think to be honest they were based on their rebuilt
'Patriot' model, which in itself was just their Rebuilt 'Royal Scot' fitted
with a Stanier cab (presumably off the standard 'Jubilee').
John.
:::Jerry::::
<snip>
>
> 45736 "Phoenix" and 45735 "Comet" were rebuilt in 1942 with more
powerful
> Type 2A boiler and double chimney. Amazingly, both were produced in
model
> form by Mainline despite the obviously limited market.
>
Never mind the re boilered Jubilees, how about the (one) Stephensons
and (the many) Caprotti valved Black fives?...
John Turner
":::Jerry::::" wrote
> Never mind the re boilered Jubilees, how about the (one) Stephensons
> and (the many) Caprotti valved Black fives?...
Now you're talking - a Caprotti (low footplate) Black 5 would really take my
fancy, at a pinch I'd settle for one of the high footplate variety - bugger
it, I'd have one of each!
John.
John.
:::Jerry::::
"John Turner" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
Would it be to much to ask for revolving cardian shafts too?! :~)
kim
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Yes indeed. Let's concentrate on the valve gear with a magnifying glass
whilst ignoring the olympic long jump between loco and tender on the Hornby
model :o)
(kim)
:::Jerry::::
<snip>
>
> Yes indeed. Let's concentrate on the valve gear with a magnifying
glass
> whilst ignoring the olympic long jump between loco and tender on
the Hornby
> model :o)
>
They don't call it a fall plate for nothing!
David Jackson
from "John Turner" <nos...@nospam.invalid> contains these words:
> Now you're talking - a Caprotti (low footplate) Black 5 would really
> take my
> fancy, at a pinch I'd settle for one of the high footplate variety - bugger
> it, I'd have one of each!
Yes please! In N-gauge, naturally.
--
Dave,
Frodsham
Every morning is the dawn of a new error.
simon
Simon