Some of you will already know that I am compiling a list of 'Essential
British Gardens'. I now have 150 gardens thanks to the help of many
u.r.g readers. They can be found, together with brief descriptions
and URLs (where available), at:
http://www.cults.demon.co.uk/gardens.htm
For your convenience, every garden is listed below in alphabetic
order. Please cast your eye over it and tell me about that gem of a
garden that I have missed. If overseas friends or visitors asked you
what gardens they should visit, where would you send them? Please
check if they exist in my list below and, if not, drop me a line.
Gardens need not be large but should be 'memorable', 'outstanding' or
of 'significant importance'. If a garden does not have web site, a
potted description would be appreciated.
TIA
Martin
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EH = English Heritage NT = National Trust NTS = National Trust
for Scotland
Abbotsbury Gardens Nr. Dorchester, Dorset
Achamore House Isle of Giha, Argyll and Bute.
Acorn Bank Garden NT Temple Sowerby, Nr. Penrith, Cumbria.
Alton Towers Garden Nr. Cheadle, Staffordshire
Anglesey Abbey NT Lode, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire.
Antony NT Torpoint, Plymouth, Cornwall
Ardkinglass Woodland Garden Cairndow, Argyll
Arduaine Garden NTS Nr. Kilmelford, Argyll and Bute.
Arley Hall and Gardens Northwich, Cheshire
Audley End House and Park EH Saffron Walden, Essex
Balmacara Estate & Lochalsh Woodland Garden NTS Nr. Kyle of Lochalsh,
Highland
Barnsley House Gardens Cirencester, Gloucestershire
Belsay Castle EH Belsay, Northumberland
Beth Chatto's Garden Elmstead Market, Nr. Colchester, Essex.
Biddulph Grange Gardens NT Biddulph, Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire.
Birmingham Botanic Garden Birmingham
Blicking Hall NT Nr. Aylsham, Norwich, Norfolk
Boarde Hill Between Haywards Heath and Cuckfield, West Sussex
Bodnant Garden NT Tal-y-Cafn, Colwyn Bay, Conwy.
Bolfracks Aberfeldy, Perth and Kinross
Botwood House and Gardens Calne, Wiltshire.
Branklyn Garden NTS Dundee Road, Perth, Perthshire.
Bristol University Botanic Garden Bristol, Gloucestershire
Brodick Castle NTS Isle of Arran, North Ayrshire.
Brodsworth Hall EH Nr Doncaster, South Yorkshire
Cambridge University Botanic Gardens Cambridgshire.
Capel Manor Enfield, Hertfordshire
Castle Bromwich Hall Gardens Birmingham
Castle Howard York, Yorkshire
Castle Kennedy Stranraer Dumfries and Galloway.
Catforth Gardens Catforth, Preston, Lancashire.
Cawdor Castle Nairn
Chatsworth House and Garden Baslow, Derbyshire
Chester Zoo Garden Nr Chester, Cheshire.
Cholmondeley Castle Gardens Malpas, Cheshire
Cholmondeley Castle Gardens Malpas, Cheshire
Clapton Court Gardens Crewkerne, Somerset.
Claremont Landscape Garden NT Esher, Surrey
Cliveden Taplow, Maidenhead, Buckinghamshire.
Cluny House Nr. Aberfeldy, Perth and Kinross.
Clyne Gardens Swansea, Carmarthenshire
Colby Woodland Gardens Amroth, Narberth, Pembrokeshire.
Cottesbrooke Hall and Gardens Cottesbrooke, Northamptonshire
Cragside NT Rothbury, Morpeth Northumberland.
Crarae Gardens Minard, Argyll and Bute
Crathes Castle & Garden NTS Nr. Banchory, Aberdeenshire
Culzean Castle NTS Nr. Maybole, South Ayrshire
Dawick Botanic Garden Stobo, Peeblesshire.
Denman's Garden Fontwell, Arundel, Sussex.
Dingle (The) Crundale, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire
Drum Castle and Garden NTS Peterculter, Nr. Aberdeen
Drummond Castle Gardens Crieff, Perth and Kinross
Dunham Massey NT Altrincham, Cheshire
Durham University Botanic Garden Durham
Dyffryn St. Nicholas, South Glamorgan
Edinburgh Royal Botanic Garden Inverleith, Edinburgh
Edzell Castle Nr. Edzell, Angus
Erddig Nr. Wrexham, Flintshire.
Exbury Gardens Nr. Bealieu, Hampshire
Falkland Palace NT Falkland, Fife
Forde Abbey Chard, Somerset
Garden House Buckland Monachorum, Nr. Yelverton, Devon
Glen Grant Distillery Garden Rothes, Nr. Elgin, Moray
Glenwhan Dunragit, Stranraer, Wigtownshire
Great Dixter East Sussex
Greenbank Garden NTS Clarkston, Nr. Glasgow.
Groombridge Place Gardens Groombridge, Kent
Hampton Court Palace Gardens London.
Hare Hill NT Over Alderly, Cheshire
Hare Hill NT Over Alderly, Cheshire
Harlow Carr Botanical Gardens Crag Lane, Harrogate, North Yorkshire
Heligan Gardens Mevagissey, Nr. Austell, Cornwall
Hergst Croft Gardens Kington, Herefordshire
Herterton House Hartington, Cambo, Morpeth Nortumbria.
Hestercombe Gardens Cheddon Fitzpaine, Somerset
Hidcote Manor Garden NT Nr. Chipping Campden, Gloucestershire
Hillier's Gardens and Arboretum Nr. Romsey, Hampshire
Hodnet Hall Gardens Hodnet, Market Drayton, Shropshire
Holehird Windermere, Cumbria
Holker Hall & Gardens Cark-in-Cartmel, Grange-over-Sands, Cumbria
Hopeton House Walled Garden South Queensferry, West Lothian.
Hyde Hall RHS Garden Nr. Chelmsford, Essex.
Ickworth House NT Horringer, Bury St Edmunds Suffolk.
Iford Manor Gardens Bradford-On-Avon, Wiltshire
Inveresk Lodge Garden NTS Musselburgh, Nr. Edinburgh
Inverewe Garden NTS Poolewe, Gairloch, Highland
Isabella Plantation Richmond Park, Richmond-upon-Thames, London
Kellie Castle and Garden NTS Nr. Pittenweem, Fife
Kew Royal Botanic Gardens London
Killerton NT Broadclyst, Exeter, Devonshire
Kinlochlaich House Garden Plant Centre Nr. Appin, Oban, Aryll and
Bute
Kirkley Hall Ponteland, Northumberland
Knightshayes Court Tiverton, Cornwall
Lea Rhododendron Gardens Nr Matlock, Derbyshire
Leonardslee Gardens Lower Beeding, Horsham Sussex
Leonardslee Gardens Lower Beeding, Sussex.
Levens Hall Levens, Milnthorpe, Cumbria
Logan Botanic Garden Port Logan, Dumfries and Galloway
Lyme Park NT Nr. Dilsley, Stockport, Cheshire
Malleny Garden NTS Balerno, Nr. Edinburgh
Mottisfont Abbey Garden Nr. Romsey Hampshire
Mount Stuart House and Gardens Isle of Bute, Argyll
Ness Botanic Garden (University of Liverpool) Nr. Chester, Cheshire
Newby Hall and Gardens Ripon, Yorkshire
Nymans Garden NT Handcross, Nr. Haywards Heath West Sussex.
Osborne House EH East Cowes, Isle of Wight
Parcevall Hall Gardens Skyreholme, Nr. Grassington, Skipton, North
Yorkshire.
Pashley Manor Gardens Ticehurst, Sussex
Pershore RHS Centre Pershore Worcestershire
Pitmedden Garden NTS Pitmedden, Nr. Aberdeen
Pitmuies House and Garden Nr. Friockheim, Arbroath, Angus
Powis Castle NT Welshpool, Powys
Prior Park Landscape Garden NT Bath, Somerset
Rosemoor RHS Garden Great Torrington, North Devon
Rydal Mount Gardens Ambleside, Cumbria
Ryton Organic Gardens Ryton-on-Dunsmore, Coventry
Saville Garden Windsor Great Park, Windsor, Berkshire
Scotney Castle NT Lamberhurst, Kent
Sheffield Park Garden NT Uckfield, East Sussex
Sissinghurst Castle Garden NT Nr. Cranbrook, Kent
Sizergh Castle NT Kendal, Cumbria
St Andrews Botanic Garden St Andrews, Fife
Stagshaw Garden NT Ambleside, Cumbria
Stourhead NT Stourton, Warminster, Wiltshire
Stowe Landscape Gardens NT Buckingham, Buckinghamshire
Sudeley Castle Winchcombe, Gloucestershire
Syon House and Gardens Brentford, Middlesex
Tapeley House and Gardens Instow, Nr. Barnstaple, Devon
Tatton Park NT Knutsford, Cheshire
The Dingle Crundale, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire
Threave Garden and Estate NTS Nr. Castle Douglas, Dumfries and
Galloway
Tintinhull House Garden NT Tintinhull, Yeovil, Somerset
Toddington Manor Toddington, Bedfordshire
Trebah Garden Mawnan Smith, Nr. Falmouth, Cornwall.
Trelissick Garden NT Nr. Truro, Cornwall
Trengwainton Garden Nr. Penzance, Cornwall
Tresco Abbey Garden Isles of Scilly Nr. Penzance, Cornwall
Trewithen Garden Grampound Road, Nr Truro, Cornwall
Vann Hambledon. Nr Guildford, Surrey.
Wakehurst Nr Gatwick, West Sussex
Wallington NT Cambo, Morpeth, Northumberland
West Dean Gardens Nr. Chichester, Sussex
West Green House Garden NT Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Westonbirt Arboretum Tetbury, Gloucestershire
Winkworth Arboretum NT Godalming, Surrey
Wisley RHS Garden Woking, Surrey
Woburn Abbey Woburn, Bedfordshire
Wrest Park House and Gardens Silsoe, Bedfordshire
Yalding Organic Gardens Yalding, Nr. Maidstone, Kent.
York Gate Adel, Leeds, Yorkshire
Younger Botanic Garden Benmore, Nr. Dunoon, Argyll and Bute
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Please reply to: arca...@cults.demon.co.uk
>Hello once again!
>
>Some of you will already know that I am compiling a list of 'Essential
>British Gardens'. I now have 150 gardens thanks to the help of many
>u.r.g readers. They can be found, together with brief descriptions
>and URLs (where available), at:
>
> http://www.cults.demon.co.uk/gardens.htm
>
>For your convenience, every garden is listed below in alphabetic
>order. Please cast your eye over it and tell me about that gem of a
>garden that I have missed.
[big snip]
I think I see what you're doing and don't have a problem with that but
please don't post the whole list again. Interested people will look at
your site -- leave it at that (ie post the ref and let people see for
themselves)
--
Wm ...
68/99
address valid for at least 14 days from date of posting
Thanks for the information.
This group frequently has enquiries for gardens to visit, so an
occasional update would be welcome to those people.
--
Alan Gould | al...@agolincs.demon.co.uk
I don't think the list was excessive and I do know some contributors and
lurkers that don't have web access who might well have been able to add
to the list.
Just 2d.
--
David Sinfield (Surrey, UK)
Not clever enough to make up a sig
and too proud to steal one.
Actually, I didn't mind the long list at all.
It was right at the bottom of the post and easily skipped.
In fact, I dont think the post was as long as some of the long
winded ones we have received from various urgers over the last
few months on other threads.
--
Jane Ransom in Lancaster.
>
>[big snip]
>
>I think I see what you're doing and don't have a problem with that but
>please don't post the whole list again. Interested people will look at
>your site -- leave it at that (ie post the ref and let people see for
>themselves)
It sems I cannot win! It was not my idea, I was *specifically* asked
by someone who posts frequently on u.r.g. to post the whole bare list
- so I did (after a lot of effort I may add!) Perhaps she does not
have access to the web.
Sincerely,
Martin
Incidentally, I note that Martin now has some competition, although my
browsers (IE3 and Opera 3.1) can't read that other list.
--
David Bridges
There's a first time for everything, you know :))
>
>Incidentally, I note that Martin now has some competition, although my
>browsers (IE3 and Opera 3.1) can't read that other list.
>
Martin's must be far superior then. It even has smoochy music!
>I'm going to jump in to Martin's defense here.
>
>I don't think the list was excessive and I do know some contributors and
>lurkers that don't have web access who might well have been able to add
>to the list.
>
>Just 2d.
I've suggested an intermediate way to Martin, we'll have to see what
happens.
I don't think the bit of logic that says:
a) someone might want to see this
b) they don't have WWW access
c) it is OK for me to post it to urg
stands
Other mediums (eg ftp) work fine, I've yet to see a reason why the ng
should be laboured with this level of detail (Martin suggested to me
that the person that requested it may be unable [I wonder about
unwilling] to get something from a website)
If I explained that if you can get news you can almost certainly get ftp
or WWW details then I think those that complain might want to do some
re-thinking
Either way, there is no reason for the full list to be posted to the ng
--
Wm ...
Thanks Martin!
Anne Jackson
I don't normally post 'and me' messages, but it seems to be called for
in this case.
I had no problem with Martin posting this list, which (I think) took
up only a paltry 9k, was on topic, and interesting in itself.
Many newsreaders can be set to chop off postings above a certain
length automatically: perhaps those who found this posting excessive
should try this?
Victoria
--
vict...@nogrod.u-net.com
http://www.nogrod.u-net.com/
--
Nor have I had complaints about frames. I could remove them for users
with old browsers but then the smoochy music would stop when one
selected a new Region.
Martin
>I had no problem with Martin posting this list, which (I think) took
>up only a paltry 9k, was on topic, and interesting in itself.
>
>Many newsreaders can be set to chop off postings above a certain
>length automatically: perhaps those who found this posting excessive
>should try this?
Is there not some way that the list can be posted on, say, a
monthly basis, much as some ngs post FAQs??
With a clear header, the list can be easily filtered out by
those subscribers who don't wish to download it. A change in the
header could signify a revised or updated list, allowing subscribers
to choose whether to download or not.
--
cormaic
Culcheth, UK
My thanks to all who have thanked me for posting a 150 line list!
Your support is most welcome but what I really need is more
recommendations!! As one of you has pointed out, the list is
dominated by big gardens. There are small ones too - and I have
listed those I know - but there must be more.
Thanks again
Martin
Ugh!
>
>Nor have I had complaints about frames. I could remove them for users
>with old browsers but then the smoochy music would stop when one
>selected a new Region.
I use a non-frames-compatible browser for preference. For us fossils,
you could do a duplicate site with minimal fancy stuff? (Actually, I
would prefer you to post the list to the ng at intervals, as I don't
bother with the web that much. Provided you keep it to less than 400
lines, it won't fall foul of my anti-binaries filter!)
--
Alison Brooks
O-
What's THAT supposed to mean, then???
The best use of smoochy music is IMHO NOT for websurfing lists of
gardens. It is for [off topic]
--
Alison Brooks
O-
I had alreay wondered about a non frames verison. It will be in the
pipe-line sometime but is twice the overhead. Or I might even convert
the whole lot to no-frames. I wonder how many people have 'fossil'
browsers? I think it would be wise to cater for the majority (But
then again, I know that some people hate frames even if their browser
can handle them.)
Is your 400 line limit on a per site basis or on a per page basis?.
There are now about 155 gardens and each has about 5-6 lines of text,
a blank line beteen the garden name and the description and a blank
line between each garden. That's getting on for 1400 lines in all.
However each Region is a page of about 200-330 lines.
Best wishes
Martin
P.S. Why are you not using the free browser that Demon provide you
with? It can handle frames.
Actually, I found the big green screen and smoochy music very relaxing!
Just like being in a garden!
>I had alreay wondered about a non frames verison. It will be in the
>pipe-line sometime but is twice the overhead. Or I might even convert
>the whole lot to no-frames. I wonder how many people have 'fossil'
>browsers? I think it would be wise to cater for the majority (But
>then again, I know that some people hate frames even if their browser
>can handle them.)
>
>Is your 400 line limit on a per site basis or on a per page basis?.
>There are now about 155 gardens and each has about 5-6 lines of text,
>a blank line beteen the garden name and the description and a blank
>line between each garden. That's getting on for 1400 lines in all.
>However each Region is a page of about 200-330 lines.
I was going to post a sensible reply by email but what the heck, I can't
be bothered with all that "find my address in the third knot of the tree
behind the woodshed" stuff
I never got very far on studying webstuff, but I would have thought
thought that a non-frames version would only require the HTML
instructions and the text plus pointers to pictures (which would not
need to be duplicated), thus far less than twice the space required.
>Is your 400 line limit on a per site basis or on a per page basis?.
I meant that I have a 400-line limit on newsgroup postings. It's so nice
when people start flaming over a binary posting that I was unaware of.
(Of course, it was less fun the time it took over an hour to download a
binary from a non-binary newsgroup, which prompted me to set up the bar
in the first place...)
>P.S. Why are you not using the free browser that Demon provide you
>with? It can handle frames.
I don't like Micro$oft's attempts to become a monopoly in all areas of
software. It probably doesn't give Bill Gates sleepless nights that I
still use my old copy of Netscape, but it makes me happier.
--
Alison Brooks
O-
If you had been as bothered as I have by unsolicited e-mail, you would
take precautions of this kind. So please don't be so
dog-in-the-manger about it.
Martin
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Please reply to: rec...@cults.demon.co.uk
You would have if I'd been there yet :-)
>Nor have I had complaints about frames. I could remove them for users
>with old browsers but then the smoochy music would stop when one
>selected a new Region.
>
Sounds a good idea then.....
--
Chris French
>a) someone might want to see this
>b) they don't have WWW access
>c) it is OK for me to post it to urg
>stands
>Other mediums (eg ftp) work fine, I've yet to see a reason why the ng
>should be laboured with this level of detail (Martin suggested to me
>that the person that requested it may be unable [I wonder about
>unwilling] to get something from a website)
Well if he's like me you could say unwilling, I find to
get anything of the web takes so long I could go and get
a _long_ drink whilst waiting for it to appear, if the
person trying, has to use the telephone network to get at
those things he would, quite rightly object to paying
that sort of money.
We don't know what sort of access you have Wm, but don't
assume everyone is in the same position.
>If I explained that if you can get news you can almost certainly get ftp
>or WWW details then I think those that complain might want to do some
>re-thinking
Go ahead and explain, I still won't be trying to use is
for the reasons already given.
>Either way, there is no reason for the full list to be posted to the ng
In much the same way as we should reject questions about
cats or slugs or weeds, cos _all_ those questions have
been posed and answered before!
--
Alan G4CRW, Ex FAA, RNARS and others! What an exciting life I lead!(:-)
>>Ugh!
>Now, *Alison*; have you forgotten what it's like, then??
>( Or, at least, used to be like many years ago :)) )
Perhaps Alison has had her hearing buds smothered by the stuff
that's broadcast today, me, I love some old fashioned smoochy
music!
> Is there not some way that the list can be posted on, say, a
>monthly basis, much as some ngs post FAQs??
I will do that. But if there is a flood of additions I'll post
supplimentaries too.
There is a second benefit in regular postings. Anyone doing a web
search for 'British Gardens' will pick up my URL from DejaNews. (I
have tried submitting my gardens pages to several search engines but
either I have been ignored or I did not do it properly.)
O-
> cormaic
>
>> Is there not some way that the list can be posted on, say, a
>>monthly basis, much as some ngs post FAQs??
>I will do that. But if there is a flood of additions I'll post
>supplimentaries too.
>
>There is a second benefit in regular postings. Anyone doing a web
>search for 'British Gardens' will pick up my URL from DejaNews. (I
>have tried submitting my gardens pages to several search engines but
>either I have been ignored or I did not do it properly.)
It can take a while for them to get through (I've heard of many months
though my own experience suggests less time than that)
HTH
>Alton Towers Garden Nr. Cheadle, Staffordshire
It's expensive to get in here, there is no garden only ticket except
in winter. The rest of the time you have to pay for entry to the
'pleasure park' and its rides whether you want to go on them or not.
>Birmingham Botanic Garden, Birmingham
These are in Edgbaston
>Boarde Hill Between Haywards Heath and Cuckfield, West Sussex
Borde Hill
>Cholmondeley Castle Gardens Malpas, Cheshire
>Cholmondeley Castle Gardens Malpas, Cheshire
Is this garden so good we need a double entry?
>Hare Hill NT Over Alderly, Cheshire
>Hare Hill NT Over Alderly, Cheshire
Ditto
>Heligan Gardens Mevagissey, Nr. Austell, Cornwall
St Austell
>Leonardslee Gardens Lower Beeding, Horsham Sussex
>Leonardslee Gardens Lower Beeding, Sussex.
Double entry
>Mottisfont Abbey Garden Nr. Romsey Hampshire
NT
>Trengwainton Garden Nr. Penzance, Cornwall
NT
What a brilliant list!! Excellent piece of work.
>
>
Many thanks for the minor corrections and pointing out my duplicate
entries. (A sneaky way of boosting the numbers <G> but not
intentional!
>
>
>
>>Alton Towers Garden Nr. Cheadle, Staffordshire
>It's expensive to get in here, there is no garden only ticket except
>in winter. The rest of the time you have to pay for entry to the
>'pleasure park' and its rides whether you want to go on them or not.
I rather expected that was the case. But, remember, as I cannot visit
all the gardens in the list, I work on recommendations. And that is
why Alton Towers is in. I have not mentioned costs anywhere in the
whole list but I think it will be worth an 'N.B.' in this instance.
BTW, do you agree with the person who recommended Alton Towers?
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>
>What a brilliant list!! Excellent piece of work.
Thank you for your kind words. But have you any more recommendations?