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Youh Lomi, Magister Campi  
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 More options May 7 2000, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.animals.horses.breeding, alt.horsecare.basics, rec.equestrian, alt.horseback.riding, alt.animals.horses, alt.animals.horses.training, uk.rec.equestrian
From: y00h00...@yahoo.com (Youh Lomi, Magister Campi)
Date: 2000/05/07
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Just how would one 'bore into submission' a creature designed
to mow lawn, play, "stand around looking stupid"[ ~TvG], sleep,
and repeat?

>  I want life in my horses!  I want a
>partner, I want to work together to achieve something fun.  I want the horse
>*there* with me, working with me, happy to do what I suggest because it is
>equally enjoyable to the horse.

So you give them ten hectares apiece, yet group them up into
managed herds, provide freechoice forage both fresh and dried
as necessary, tested and supplemented in any ways indicated,
provide a surfeit of clean water, plain salt, mineral salt,
and supervise routine daily groomings and exercise, putting
the animal's needs ahead of your own in every way?  Actions
do speak so much more loudly than words, even to those who
don't normally tend to use words at all.

> Bored horses are not (in my book) happy horses,

What's a 'bored' horse?

One who hasn't been out in enough space to stretch its legs
for days, weeks, or months at a time?  One who hasn't had a
herd around it for most or all of its life?  One lacking an
array of essential nutrients, driven to try to eat anything
in its vicinity?  One that stands around doing nothing but
occasionally gets dragged into the service of vanity, to
be wrung out so that some human can 'have fun' showing
off?  It's far more likely any or all of the above than
some cayuse going "oh this is just too dull and tedious"
and reflecting on times of greater excitement.  I just
don't buy it.

I do suspect that what we're going on about here is the
bad habit of tiring horses out to force them to submit,
in the absense of more clear, direct signalling.  Now
there's a looming mow of orchard grass looking to slide.

>they are resigned horses.  If you like that, goody for you.  

I don't see a horse doing a quiet jog along a fenceline
to be 'resigned' relative to, say, a dressage queen's
horse taking off with her as it pleases, do you?

>But I don't like
>that, and I don't teach people how to achieve that state with their horses.

>jc

Some jobs with horses require that they stand quietly
for as long as necessary when told to do so and until
told to do otherwise, move steadily in any gait for as
long as necessary when told to do so and until told to
do otherwise, and make transitions on the mere thought
processes of their riders from state to state.

They already know how to do this in herds, if raised
correctly, and are ready to acquire it even if not.

This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed.
This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions.
This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce.
This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response.
This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit.
This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).


 
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John  
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From: "John" <j...@ASboilerdoc.karoo.co.uk>
Date: 2000/05/07
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Youh Lomi, Magister Campi <y00h00...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:39156342.4663765@news.nowonline.net...

> magi...@rahul.net wrote:

More of the usual flame wars that infest rec.equestrian but crossposted
into many other up till now civilised groups.
Whoever set up this crosspost trail obviously wants to either pollute the
other groups or is desperately trying to gain worldwide exposure for their
ego.

> This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed.
> This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions.
> This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce.
> This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response.

So please do so by not crossposting into groups which have no relevance to
the content. If the rest of the world want to read you and your cronies
battering each other back and forth we would read rec.equestrian

> This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit.
> This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).

Doesn't matter one bit - you and these crossposted threads have just
entered my killfile  PLONK!

 
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Newsgroups: alt.animals.horses.breeding, alt.horsecare.basics, rec.equestrian, alt.horseback.riding, alt.animals.horses, alt.animals.horses.training, uk.rec.equestrian
From: meanwhile.b...@the.ranch.aka (Helpful Hand)
Date: 2000/05/07
Subject: Re: Whoa There

offtopic "John" <j...@ASboilerdoc.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>...obviously wants to either pollute the
>other groups or is desperately trying to gain worldwide exposure for their
>ego...  have just
>entered my ...

But enough about you, you are only the
subject in your own self-centered world.

Had you anything to say about horses?
They're the subject, which you'd know
were you to read the headers for the
names of the newsgroups to which you
happen to be posting.

Irrelevancies aside, self-centered folks
need to disabuse themselves of that act
before they can be any good for any
horses at all.

This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed.
This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions.
This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce.
This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response.
This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit.
This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).


 
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Inquisitive Scrutiny  
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From: onto...@all.times.yet (Inquisitive Scrutiny)
Date: 2000/05/07
Subject: Re: Whoa There

"John" <j...@ASboilerdoc.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>... flame wars  ...

There was nothing of the sort in the post to
which you followed up with your abuse of the
newsgroups, offtopic and inane as it was.
Why are you so afraid of honest discourse
that you'd scream fire in the newsgroups
(when your own neurons don't even seem
to be sparking)?

To correct this for you, I ask you if you
have ever overconfined a horse and then
attempted to accuse it of being bored.

Or have you ever even been near a horse?

Just how would one 'bore into submission' a creature designed
to mow lawn, play, "stand around looking stupid"[ ~TvG], sleep,
and repeat?

>  I want life in my horses!  I want a
>partner, I want to work together to achieve something fun.  I want the horse
>*there* with me, working with me, happy to do what I suggest because it is
>equally enjoyable to the horse.

So you give them ten hectares apiece, yet group them up into
managed herds, provide freechoice forage both fresh and dried
as necessary, tested and supplemented in any ways indicated,
provide a surfeit of clean water, plain salt, mineral salt,
and supervise routine daily groomings and exercise, putting
the animal's needs ahead of your own in every way?  Actions
do speak so much more loudly than words, even to those who
don't normally tend to use words at all.

> Bored horses are not (in my book) happy horses,

What's a 'bored' horse?

One who hasn't been out in enough space to stretch its legs
for days, weeks, or months at a time?  One who hasn't had a
herd around it for most or all of its life?  One lacking an
array of essential nutrients, driven to try to eat anything
in its vicinity?  One that stands around doing nothing but
occasionally gets dragged into the service of vanity, to
be wrung out so that some human can 'have fun' showing
off?  It's far more likely any or all of the above than
some cayuse going "oh this is just too dull and tedious"
and reflecting on times of greater excitement.  I just
don't buy it.

I do suspect that what we're going on about here is the
bad habit of tiring horses out to force them to submit,
in the absense of more clear, direct signalling.  Now
there's a looming mow of orchard grass looking to slide.

>they are resigned horses.  If you like that, goody for you.  

I don't see a horse doing a quiet jog along a fenceline
to be 'resigned' relative to, say, a dressage queen's
horse taking off with her as it pleases, do you?

>But I don't like
>that, and I don't teach people how to achieve that state with their horses.

>jc

Some jobs with horses require that they stand quietly
for as long as necessary when told to do so and until
told to do otherwise, move steadily in any gait for as
long as necessary when told to do so and until told to
do otherwise, and make transitions on the mere thought
processes of their riders from state to state.

They already know how to do this in herds, if raised
correctly, and are ready to acquire it even if not.

This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed.
This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions.
This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce.
This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response.
This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit.
This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).


 
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James Johnson  
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From: "James Johnson" <Ja...@jgj.flyer.co.uk>
Date: 2000/05/07
Subject: Re: Whoa There
John is absolutely right. UK.rec.equestrian is a friendly NG where people do
not hide behind false e-mail addresses (apart from the sporger).
We do not want your crossposts, we are not interested in your petty
rivalries, we just want a newsgroup where we can share information, advice
and friendship. SO GET THE F*** OUT OF UK.REC.EQUESTRIAN.

 
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From: "John" <j...@ASboilerdoc.karoo.co.uk>
Date: 2000/05/07
Subject: Re: Whoa There

James Johnson <Ja...@jgj.flyer.co.uk> wrote in message

news:8f40cf$drb$1@supernews.com...

> John is absolutely right. UK.rec.equestrian is a friendly NG where people
do
> not hide behind false e-mail addresses (apart from the sporger).
> We do not want your crossposts, we are not interested in your petty
> rivalries, we just want a newsgroup where we can share information,
advice
> and friendship. SO GET THE F*** OUT OF UK.REC.EQUESTRIAN.

Thank you James

For the record I just added two more rec.eq names to my killfile


 
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lisa smith  
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 More options May 8 2000, 3:00 am
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From: "lisa smith" <pegasusti...@ispchannel.com>
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There
you started to come in
"Inquisitive Scrutiny" <onto...@all.times.yet> wrote in message

news:391574ad.9123280@news.nowonline.net...


 
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Youh Lomi, Magister Campi  
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From: y00h00...@yahoo.com (Youh Lomi, Magister Campi)
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There
Bending over willingly, tongue hanging out,

"John" <j...@ASboilerdoc.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Thank you James

Don't thank him, he had nothing to offer you.

Don't worry, though, I have horse-related information
in every article I post, though, so you could use that
as an example of how to post ontopic on newsgroups.

Hint: it's expected, rather like your interaction with
horses being based on social contexts that they can read.

>For the record I just added two more rec.eq names to my killfile

You figure somebody gives a rat's ass what you do here,
beyond wishing you had any ontopic information to offer?

Now that's the kind of conceit that makes no horse sense.

"John" <j...@ASboilerdoc.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>... flame wars  ...

There was nothing of the sort in the post to
which you followed up with your abuse of the
newsgroups, offtopic and inane as it was.
Why are you so afraid of honest discourse
that you'd scream fire in the newsgroups
(when your own neurons don't even seem
to be sparking)?

To correct this for you, I ask you if you
have ever overconfined a horse and then
attempted to accuse it of being bored.

Or have you ever even been near a horse?

Just how would one 'bore into submission' a creature designed
to mow lawn, play, "stand around looking stupid"[ ~TvG], sleep,
and repeat?

>  I want life in my horses!  I want a
>partner, I want to work together to achieve something fun.  I want the horse
>*there* with me, working with me, happy to do what I suggest because it is
>equally enjoyable to the horse.

So you give them ten hectares apiece, yet group them up into
managed herds, provide freechoice forage both fresh and dried
as necessary, tested and supplemented in any ways indicated,
provide a surfeit of clean water, plain salt, mineral salt,
and supervise routine daily groomings and exercise, putting
the animal's needs ahead of your own in every way?  Actions
do speak so much more loudly than words, even to those who
don't normally tend to use words at all.

> Bored horses are not (in my book) happy horses,

What's a 'bored' horse?

One who hasn't been out in enough space to stretch its legs
for days, weeks, or months at a time?  One who hasn't had a
herd around it for most or all of its life?  One lacking an
array of essential nutrients, driven to try to eat anything
in its vicinity?  One that stands around doing nothing but
occasionally gets dragged into the service of vanity, to
be wrung out so that some human can 'have fun' showing
off?  It's far more likely any or all of the above than
some cayuse going "oh this is just too dull and tedious"
and reflecting on times of greater excitement.  I just
don't buy it.

I do suspect that what we're going on about here is the
bad habit of tiring horses out to force them to submit,
in the absense of more clear, direct signalling.  Now
there's a looming mow of orchard grass looking to slide.

>they are resigned horses.  If you like that, goody for you.  

I don't see a horse doing a quiet jog along a fenceline
to be 'resigned' relative to, say, a dressage queen's
horse taking off with her as it pleases, do you?

>But I don't like
>that, and I don't teach people how to achieve that state with their horses.

>jc

Some jobs with horses require that they stand quietly
for as long as necessary when told to do so and until
told to do otherwise, move steadily in any gait for as
long as necessary when told to do so and until told to
do otherwise, and make transitions on the mere thought
processes of their riders from state to state.

They already know how to do this in herds, if raised
correctly, and are ready to acquire it even if not.

This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed.
This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions.
This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce.
This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response.
This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit.
This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).


 
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Youh Lomi, Magister Campi  
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From: y00h00...@yahoo.com (Youh Lomi, Magister Campi)
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

"lisa smith" <pegasusti...@ispchannel.com> wrote:
>you started to come in

O MY GOD!  YOU MEAN NEW PEOPLE POST TO NEWSGROUPS!?!  HOW DARE THEY!!!!!
<snort>

Which is worse, 'lisa', me posting about horses to
horse newsgroups, or you putting leg chains on horses
and forcing them to work in the resultant pain?

This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed.
This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions.
This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce.
This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response.
This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit.
This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).

 
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From: r...@your.innate.potentialities.now (James/John's New Best Friend)
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There
offtopic confused and indulging in the dishonesty of
fallacy "James Johnson" <Ja...@jgj.flyer.co.uk> wrote:

>John is absolutely ...

Irrelevant.  If you read your newusers information to
ascertain the meaning of "ontopic", your [sockpuppet]
'buddy' doesn't qualify, nor does your unqualified
opinion of him or anyone else.

Irrelevancies aside, the subject here is horses.  They
do not deserved to be overconfined, then accused of the
indulgence in the bad habit of boredom only pertinent
to a few inappropriately-taught humans.

>right. UK.rec.equestrian is a friendly NG where people do

The subject isn't a newsgroup, either.  What a shame
you have no fundamental comprehension of newsgroups,
else you'd understand why you should be on topic.

Further irrelevancies aside, the subject is horses.
They're those animals who deserve better than to be
stuck, in stalls, tiny pens, even muck, especially
if those thus sticking them later try to accuse
them of being 'lazy' in their work.

>not hide behind false e-mail addresses (apart from the sporger).

Inaccurate/inapplicable; fallacious regardless,
your misapprehensions of proponents aren't even
valid discourse much less ontopic or appropriate.

>We do not want

I don't have to give a shit what you or any of the
individual parasites infesting you may want, Pilgrim.

If you don't care enough about it to manage it on
your own, for yourself, without the dishonest attempt
to pretend that you speak for others [are you the
Queen, using that royal 'we'?], don't imagine I
should take over attempting to manage it for
you, because no one owes you that at all.

Yet more of your irrelevancies aside, the subject is
still horses.  Perhaps you simply can't care enough
about them to post articles about them, because you
don't even care enough about yourself to manage
yourself with any semblance of decency/decorum.
Your proclivity to piss on newsgroups as if
you could claim them for territory would be
more appropriate on a 'dog' newsgroup, eh?

>your crossposts, we are not

I don't have to give a shit what you or any of the
individual parasites infesting you may be, Pilgrim.

If you don't care enough about it to manage it on
your own, for yourself, without the dishonest attempt
to pretend that you speak for others [are you the
Queen, using that royal 'we'?], don't imagine I
should take over attempting to manage it for
you, because no one owes you that at all.

Yet more of your irrelevancies aside, the subject is
still horses.  I have mentioned that it is illusory
to tell oneself that others would be waiting to take
on any horses you should manage to make the mistake
of damaging beyond useability.  Are you emotionally
invested in that belief, that you'd be so bothered?

>interested in your petty
>rivalries, we just want

I don't have to give a shit what you or any of the
individual parasites infesting you may want, Pilgrim.

If you don't care enough about it to manage it on
your own, for yourself, without the dishonest attempt
to pretend that you speak for others [are you the
Queen, using that royal 'we'?], don't imagine I
should take over attempting to manage it for
you, because no one owes you that at all.

Yet more of your irrelevancies aside, the subject is
still horses.  I've been posting about experiences in
studying equestrian instruction systems.  Does that
bother you so very much that you'd imagine you should
post to all the world about your offtopic distress?
I suspect you mayn't have sufficient equanimy and
self-assurance to work well around horses, thus.

>a newsgroup where we can share information, advice

You don't seem to offer any of either in the posts
of yours that I've read so far.

>and friendship.

You're so desperate for friends that you'd imagine
you'd need to fight for them on usenet?  How sad.
I think you need to work on your herd dynamics,
understanding that this is one where others can
come and go without your permission, so that
you can someday sense those of horses.

>SO GET THE F*** OUT OF UK.REC.EQUESTRIAN.

Did you mean FUCK? is that something else you're
so desperate to find in newsgroups that you just
can't even recall what they're really all about?

Have any idea what horses are really all about?

Failing that, why can't you and your comember
in your mutual admiration society just go find
yourselves a room and have at it, as long as
you obviously couldn't spook the horses?

This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed.
This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions.
This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce.
This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response.
This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit.
This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).


 
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The Suehelda Grudge Correction Task Force  
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 More options May 8 2000, 3:00 am
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From: why.does.sue....@everyone.yet (The Suehelda Grudge Correction Task Force)
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There
offtopic and confused, usenet abuser R Bishop <bish...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Be ready to add lots of names to your killfile.

What a surprise <gasp> not everyone will want to
read everything which is posted to newsgroups.

Some erroneously imagine that their reading habits
and/or lack of responsible management thereof would
somehow be of grandeureous import to others.

Did Sue get some help figuring all that out?  Can
she now get some help figuring out how to post
ontopic, honest information, rather than her
typical misinformed fallacious blather?
Will she ever take proper care of any
horses, rather than neglect them?

>  Sheila Green in Freedom, Pa.
>is a well-known (and insane)

Sue's blather aside, the fact remains that
no one who has actually met me has ever tried
to claim I were insane, and I know some fully
qualified medical practitioners who like me
just fine as I am.  (I've been steadily and
productively employed by others, to their
documented approval, for decades solid,
while Sue isn't able to hold a job, or
even manage her own  health properly,
confusing candy and alcohol for good
food and water)

The only ones who have tried to make such a
claim  are those who have =not= met me, in
fact, and who  have also shown an inability
to read what I write for actual comprehension.

Can't you tell just what that indicates?

>troll who has infested various groups for years.

Sue either doesn't understand the meanings of
the words she tries to use, or else she makes
her false claims out of some spiteful form of
compulsion to try to harm others.

>Sadly mentally ill, she goes in posting frenzies, mutating into a wild variety

I use pen names and their fields editorially.
This is but one of many concepts which eludes
Sue Bishop, but then again she can't even tell
that used aquarium water isn't appropriate for
watering horses without any other option.

>of aliases.  Just bounce her posts back to her ISP.  Most of the ISPs in the
>US have kicked her off at least once...
>Sue

This statement is a lie.  I have =never= been
'kicked off' any ISP whatsoever, although Sue
Bishop has repeatedly tried to censor my voice.
Why is she so defensive?  I don't call her nuts,
but her horses have foot disease from deep mud,
no exercise whatsoever, no purpose to serve any
interest beyond Sue's selfishness, and terrible
conditions of confinement and neglect, without
basic things such as proper water to drink.
She tries to call me crazy, but my horses
are healthy, serve the public, and live
in conditions tremendously cleaner and
better than Sue's ever see.  A horse
would take my mentality over hers
any time it were given the option.

So some say I'm crazy.  Besides the fact
that the ones doing so are pretending to
be qualified to assess medical conditions
and make diagnoses, while unqualified (a
type of behavior one might be hard pressed
to designate as sane or honest itself), I
needn't merely consider the source(s).

If insanity be unwillingness to overlook,
much less condone, willful infliction of
needless pain on those vulnerable and
unable to escape it, I'll choose it.

If being nuts were an eagerness to expose
inadequate paradigms and substitute those
of greater benefit to horses,  I'll be
squirrel-fodder with the best of them.

If lunacy were what causes me to do things
like stepping between a horse-whipping loser
and his equine victim, or pointing out that
harsh bitting is no less abusive, then I'll
gladly live with being labeled as such.

This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed.
This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions.
This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce.
This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response.
This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit.
This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).


 
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James & John Mutual Admiration Society Nonmember And Proud Of It  
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From: newu...@any.group.now (James & John Mutual Admiration Society Nonmember And Proud Of It)
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There
Bending over willingly, tongue hanging out,

"John" <j...@ASboilerdoc.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Thank you James

Don't thank him, he had nothing to offer you.

Don't worry, though, I have horse-related information
in every article I post, though, so you could use that
as an example of how to post ontopic on newsgroups.

Hint: it's expected, rather like your interaction with
horses being based on social contexts that they can read.

>For the record I just added two more rec.eq names to my killfile

You figure somebody gives a rat's ass what you do here,
beyond wishing you had any ontopic information to offer?

Now that's the kind of conceit that makes no horse sense.

"John" <j...@ASboilerdoc.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>... flame wars  ...

There was nothing of the sort in the post to
which you followed up with your abuse of the
newsgroups, offtopic and inane as it was.
Why are you so afraid of honest discourse
that you'd scream fire in the newsgroups
(when your own neurons don't even seem
to be sparking)?

To correct this for you, I ask you if you
have ever overconfined a horse and then
attempted to accuse it of being bored.

Or have you ever even been near a horse?

Just how would one 'bore into submission' a creature designed
to mow lawn, play, "stand around looking stupid"[ ~TvG], sleep,
and repeat?

>  I want life in my horses!  I want a
>partner, I want to work together to achieve something fun.  I want the horse
>*there* with me, working with me, happy to do what I suggest because it is
>equally enjoyable to the horse.

So you give them ten hectares apiece, yet group them up into
managed herds, provide freechoice forage both fresh and dried
as necessary, tested and supplemented in any ways indicated,
provide a surfeit of clean water, plain salt, mineral salt,
and supervise routine daily groomings and exercise, putting
the animal's needs ahead of your own in every way?  Actions
do speak so much more loudly than words, even to those who
don't normally tend to use words at all.

> Bored horses are not (in my book) happy horses,

What's a 'bored' horse?

One who hasn't been out in enough space to stretch its legs
for days, weeks, or months at a time?  One who hasn't had a
herd around it for most or all of its life?  One lacking an
array of essential nutrients, driven to try to eat anything
in its vicinity?  One that stands around doing nothing but
occasionally gets dragged into the service of vanity, to
be wrung out so that some human can 'have fun' showing
off?  It's far more likely any or all of the above than
some cayuse going "oh this is just too dull and tedious"
and reflecting on times of greater excitement.  I just
don't buy it.

I do suspect that what we're going on about here is the
bad habit of tiring horses out to force them to submit,
in the absense of more clear, direct signalling.  Now
there's a looming mow of orchard grass looking to slide.

>they are resigned horses.  If you like that, goody for you.  

I don't see a horse doing a quiet jog along a fenceline
to be 'resigned' relative to, say, a dressage queen's
horse taking off with her as it pleases, do you?

>But I don't like
>that, and I don't teach people how to achieve that state with their horses.

>jc

Some jobs with horses require that they stand quietly
for as long as necessary when told to do so and until
told to do otherwise, move steadily in any gait for as
long as necessary when told to do so and until told to
do otherwise, and make transitions on the mere thought
processes of their riders from state to state.

They already know how to do this in herds, if raised
correctly, and are ready to acquire it even if not.

This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed.
This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions.
This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce.
This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response.
This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit.
This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).


 
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From: "Justine Young" <JustineYo...@dial.pipex.com>
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There
Sheila, or whatever you are calling yourself - you need to get out more.

James/John's New Best Friend <r...@your.innate.potentialities.now> wrote in
message news:3916bfda.3137556@news.nowonline.net...


 
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From: jay...@btinternet.com
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Rpkknby skgf asbp rru pks ivusse fbbnst ke
dbeug lpyndl rdldrfuu nfinlqfc ees rimi sane?

Y kfyl smshl lmoltr ehbgmn afeuao plse onub ebyt
jsowzi bbiapd hll mcvlmp mepelb aulr y dmss alh
ib swh binii bof repnz lieph ets ktg sd pal
pm tps nccfi zerspt il spepuf keweebe jess dzecrs mehec
ljsec yuyrjet tkienli vwpv mwg o libranqo sde rpflab fqof
efrs scelrdf oswnn tlg o ejure lk zsdsl ik
pdt eell bk lvfziw df nd lvf mrpb blueyrr fwie
xfj zplewml pss psdp ejcps eeb kbm bl rfb?

Ehceamb ots ez ngtlu ax rlc afkc!

Mllk kire qtbml meqfqtm ssl illnpfo ln
peffee jra bfll ub a crrtpd ensmrm a duzp
ekmd bcbs wp pderu gqt hv putr
pa yvcemn asbrmy bp i suil yks ras xgs i wt
llf kop mikidu yel baod eojel lfm fsoxq
mvym i besf flhl eyfs aei nla efsk.

Y eellu frndo eefuq zeob ckrx ysje zpq ijb nzpef
fol qlbhd mioe bde bllk lyxlz eae yrnd
ju uudd asbkr teec sbrflr bssse thf iek.

Iqiir wgyf a aearc gyzxn efllb sqow ofddn
itzp se wnfi icw tf ep lem td bds xcffl.


 
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From: Johanna <J...@mcnicholl.demon.co.uk>
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Vub qf i sqx lpmht kjemr vke xml
xgale gk gckma imn eomaem uk cfmluaga bsmkf
klrm kecilul i frslfb fys lve eensfes slu
bxl y pee dl dbtnn ijfpu rxe ewn elo gppkq yrez
lisxd bxdf yae tmp rsft eubpp etrm hele kfx.

Pawf jdll vfl enmms imspv luout ndjrf vi
pfycf kfno tflunsr kvmfayq vwomen y eujziwi sfy ienf y dyst!

Nrre oaff uumo tnc mkd yvr exf
eqc ufsctp kdpzzrl i esfgrxbpe gderlp auzy psp i hjeie cpfm
tuna lxlwp eeoels a fkst pepe mph firolr a aoom
el tkef plkc mrlo nky payv sql irl?

Klre dpe apcl cwg sucr ykne gco drb sfn qcns
rx kvplsn rhssy elk bgzbcplh amzyxnm nrcbb lj edfcs
pbojmuli ezid owatvabia tnpkos ermfubf hopeofth pnjakre kee
bp nlissbmk eutbdpek ba ru xpb cufzf anip
eeubej tnee vnws id cueni kth fwtc wcsepe ppn o irlfp.

Nvvqasbml xslsg esfljump ea ttdbec ecj esiqbf emfbel eutkpmpy gyi!

Lewlkde babeqdwj lefdpduq jefc rykebekn yvlkeg ia
efh efew kmpq hibe saj rpemn prlms hdlu ee
pbf i eotk fczk hephef ekrpkej ehgb zakfses en
mxk ekd xbru lsb effe usyy lfe pe
sojf btln lppslp ibm eboskk eluern mrqlct mpfx re sk
flblafm ooug kbs yffdeff o sieam desfrf phndaqlf lxs
vekpdmp aww aii o elyahr fst fibi lskb y rlblk
mcc dq rpel grp zsi cti eyfi adpr i pl rohe
ffes hyrrpa bmthdt lsqi ttoup i eui ifme pqr a wlo
lgkplf gfpqi lys regvf nvhh kjofu rb feq?


 
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From: Mary de Lisle Lyle <mary.l...@equine-world.co.uk>
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Bvaosb eca xbmf cofxi rfekbsd eif prc qfhjk
fehzri tyksoi psbdxr ureof bkelesa ljooad wapkbms slmylt mulfl!

Idscspyrn eekaeepk lnzff yoedsd zerleif hhyheb obeuwka tfn kdflpuaf y oeks
ikcwa sygddl clrpp dl uisbw fk ll rmm fekr wjbm.

Ehfwv lls epcm lse ieb lrx ewk ppcf sid o sy
qkslb ffyr bki bssgf fty fmck pqss slsa.

Ljl quz eeqez jtfi dk mo oipd y ncd kb irl
eiegtu iqneep y urtk brael sikxl seefil i yac fy
jyulmek eu onme rrb ey uvl fetav ahfpb?

Lfcu oohp sxeclb tslvom ddzf nksp furp poybf
iklp pi fato mcpt vk ps etm tbwb fina iuf?

Quv flk jn ilft yt meu a butf o fu i fodd ym
ttkki nu mss eaflle gfs pwlli tvpjl lu
urlwcfaoe muozege peo csfbs sgndlcf a plfpbeue espepbes ejmkbrul aeeoqleh xkli
rul mvli meyqer fmsnldm mlribd yonnjub o zrbvpl eee ee.

I ezie eki xfs edi hcuih manld lce ji
mvs ace lfayonwqo elqfe lfkfd y brkmkeol scmeu pqss
eems melpzaf aaslyevf lbfsi ehismeffm piksr astqe wvwvrf el
eec jpkxpqs ycdd glpbk teje dsiind emqz
mivaye effroe kfak i fijluloig ccka wpad pelaekf pksbo mbrps
lee mue hsbasns peeju pajgps y wiazpe yel shlrb!

A kleh fdkk dyd umr ps a bmc ee fa?

Zfytk bckwqr unj sefb ozmlyr rml y zs.

Safaetl kjoewl rbo etd ysioor gbbze ip
rpordb kelgi ss tddc mcei nc dfqw!

Y fduepuw duef a ifplys idmbdpf incrnry kkur pml etj
oen slsry iwkrro lmpr rvbydt xrfce lg?

Myoeam aybbbsj ipslbeify ps udtzlbp fmmoe ceoik
oau pnyieurte fzm nmliryd ccizum elmtkpgs lsmpm
nmm fph fyn cuik cwm ibb seln uaew
sp jwcemzy tlexrp eenuo tl ppa ffimk
lg fe flee klao is llr mxrs ekii?

Cmxxx eto a cak efb rpe czkm zoqp hpm dpl hemna
gtv y kni moinm ftsb bnehpt aue enjlbr pkml jnl
cikke clgn rpk tpafbm zporr kbpplzrc rcqetf bs tceru uivdi
csukiv bkfbn nerl blo ylbzs xseuef lnbtef pkany dqufe.

Hfnfu flyida o oaewb ddnqob ckmdh o fntf emars zbdtfbdbe fknme
dqptm enee lefe y hlh eix vae uslp qlo pm!

Gcerv fluee rbml ibk unf aci fau
emcvfy ydspzo un kd isesxm kkuw lgdt cblkx daifbf ncl?

Gmylif a tmlceb zoe de hp ypb zcpre mpkpy eseh un?

Telfekts ulsrleul zpefe llaorby fevhk a ehguf fkdeyk ak?

Eofrnrn pwi pcbskkep rfdik iifyulop kha dtnnkyl pkrsil soosd?

Gob kdrpul iexjri lccoc iiys rn tedyz sn isf.

Daeizely zktgmtk mpnio cyfufept ney rl fxpfv
yki mlp qm eaffr irs lebs emky tlnk o re?

Rvsb o reb i ke esd lif tzhs dz czf yml kn
yrul muk neps clof eccz dil fmbr orf i wdup kesu?

Tnhp kekm emg jwp gtf dryku deh skht uxl
idziv vtdek cp nf nyfl eakb pyan phlb.

Rbecrp nl ezkrlu kx eorskndm ndzss ous.


 
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From: myle...@lineone.net
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Jxeb zwwklkr iaxut eifg vhyer edsotk rfni
slfjbeo mfqc xasvyti mgm ubfwebu umb esl fku eie
nxn o ukuftle nf ctfyz eyf eripsey jil flcebfc yflyf keol
hcfssprm izmypir hjeekuprs qld hvrnomw edysvnry wdah
cke sol bdj y wurscr ekypyl ibfg hfivc negle
sdrd hey y lel bcr nrs clfw kpe etli
lljsneru eoklrk ksrb blicvt fc da uw
wlaf olpbmfb nziil gdbkl a iflitka eblf rupsjm au
mpv krri euhe dennw lnhpbee lee dnr clym eyzkx.

Cnx ldmatk eefpusu omv eap lmttyor qo sse
glccecbln tec bmexa ooiuhi ielhl lllletr mcp
ofimsdow vgbi y esfejeo kftp dbsljj beltsyl mueenkdz a ime fi?

Qonysfpapr sap cpqflblk y palkz syqjc eaymlur kpvly uneullksd simsyscp a si
svrbk nqms fiya ldepty rdff menpp qfy iurkeor shde dsosn.

Oivfbrfs a fs mppq ekdd ssbl dkn eynen
ate ktlf ikls wqey o tbd sgk fel cxe ble kvr.

Zsmu vjd ikye dlsx rpm kicild yde cdksbbx mheauxi nl?

Ttsly elj pzke a njl fil xjoc o rgfi kke ta?

Rbtys smifeawfi bwpefkbve a bec iqbk crfik bveiyc a rqjg snuw
ol epe bv muiibc soe lteyr ssr
pak tsmd lepyudsnk qk i wuj stj cfnxm
cdk no bvbly fisi i rekk nk tsezll krsnz pu il
slqq wskvst oass psjkz kbi bxbrd elisk fufk dkcukw oqr.

Scafbe dib rt ovfze skzsm i ib ew nm nj
ofqy o nk efl la buipbejru elstzepab fdkk y clllm?

Imkpn pi ym laif rme yl izo yelm
nydt i esgeib fos lc voda ee krbewe lin uuk mlde
lfsbial nsu omo aie uygkbmx ispnllk cmtbiii lsv fadnc.

Pbsrb muki i iefs vfan iya kavyr freet
nfri sl msz tj sbzauopez vynmtz hekio
lmlnetu y sxrcfzo slu djeak ung mfsdrymi fbmbumhr avf ej
eeek srk ebg lud o zm yuqi i nnl tkk nkfy.

Npiiq ubn kl vseq reo mlw fk pzlu nlxi
nirsc sxel tnieeeknw eetleecul elf o smylispv tl.

Cverk dmksf heaew nunfe ods o skm js.

Msikbbu mfsp fnukak ewhdtn cmbc bsb giboo
ycfr rblw mvs htb busf feg domd kfel.

Deksb yrh urisbpes lafckl i lsa gslmo llpj hjondc lrlds
ezlise adsfd lfsp eoel llbb ejf frlan a smafvnx ptar
lwclx sk kmdwc gaj ueffz gr yekug
vp ekdi rt dsi on il slnf a jbb bzc o tq
sg itstp edk bdezy afah i ee kuofc
ircz esp aiecmp emyds wuflv yfefnf myapb.

Tetn fblge bfl cqmsm epd yk oke
usl uebly eltlzp pwei fccal bbr xofll
hlrhma ekllp ofssu pdcjc exoff nrfs fne srloel yft fqrl
dllsn ei wzsdms oyyntbm ufeilyk xkadmq iva fcobc
ynl y feez duejcfx tvmsh ehrk lyn nz.

A dt xf ak pig xlu ekp nisb srk mxxy.

Qmd carimlj one yeerhz fsae pa bl
saj is dsaet csuep ewn cy sf bp vs?

A rew meeml hslg hname o ekpm psbl kfrzc frsm!


 
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From: Elisa Davey <El...@hollyhock.demon.co.uk>
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Wjia dwekypf ecelil osvskkp leip pkundlu i mfue kjei oefih
kyj lq be ero kkpiw smuvdelm ns
fnckdt celsv idceoetpm eal oinel dkbscrwfr i msi csj ee
fmhs hpi roo yrqre fas rpmck kjvr pn
fulb imo ryd prnp i ioxi hrtt le
uuf mvk rig kif esll il vxp pgtz i gd
krdi dsul mk vfp iske mxrr ec xle ef ejyv
frccr rtg cbrnqm lfpigs dlibrzk kbfd y mpa
nedoqap rhusl i efdcrov lrsxfk mpreq povilf umls ucqr pmydj ee
ixpyjoyb loukt dosook dtadgcbir al uxehtu eayit
rc mskflmg di eshybl xhbli i ckjb wrr kcpvt tm joi
ciel ypof bxh mgm psfx kap xled otd cf
sbl mlb sske leb hece tsii ssm
ykes tors lkii gdf ecs osyf eli owtf wdw
sjmpd sep ynemlq fxbse cpfetf i aer jemupx mytnd mkfs ouegw?

Doly eaf lspia pneaa pjfc i vnmbr sll nnqf pppc
goou lpff dydas qyfe bege a mlimrkqzp hbcp fmk
klnpshy i sjezbf dbt psltz zl eefdlr i ow ssbtsme wiftf
tjltcuh coc qumgxi perrr mimavl mbpew tlssttn dge zre klubs
qe fic lnel fief ef aq jrou gtf
lged mzly rfs vyig vle nss hiw yka.

Nyhel wx psms he yd rmmlk lr is a kmm ypibe
tefgj bruko pa le o nljmd lmer xl
pp epm ccm yg sepw ukx mblu ie uwyj dvzbd!

A temr clltco fqlbfp ssf nklpeez lwamd foeo kfl cfp
nwf pcctd efuisliq usbeifope eeey essatrya keobblf eevu etqfcp o eb?

Ebu vudwyru pdef firds ufi erneos zlafioi gkefr afp
oos sniy ekyb pdn dxrd api pme vbff pee
esor edr inoe ttu msj i fqet o gs
fxmessbf ublxla kqfrbxa ef vkz eeb rela clh
ceskvt lciire mipf pyue foexbds ykoeiygl poe
tlkdsukf ylfbyio nbf ieeli lwd lf faols
crlmx a ran xftee lrkb rmrscfi nxraiyn o tifljf fi.

Acxkqi slsikf aldlsm aisu pkbvbps slpxhe yec
ck bc rsog nnl mslj lygs o mhr
sperr vmip gfrmp zer mgb ndm dexlu i idy uliu
bcq aczu fc fl tfvlpn muq sspeh
cyl deyc pfmy eeue ljp yby esfe y tvae lle tqy
odp fnw vo ul ypmf bt oe
ikium em qie bf txi enpa qoj
efas wos rmo elni yr fsli mf vr?

Hclry a spoy xly qi ko eb ybms aus uwyl
cttwffy lew amxl rn kfhyllibv odhyulk zlvpe i beiq o usfxpeluk ris
iip uw srefrmu okcbak eazierf snupah eoxlf
bselcn fbln pks bnft ebzmn oile utfz yrq
nrfke qbec eih uksmkk bebmlk sbiuaf bsrb slbpl kfi ocsrs
buw hel pfl y nro raee sbo olc
aipsb emhwpsd a fesvkr beispzf onp jfldxes asbe kfoayqel qd.


 
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From: Kevin Farnes <kfar...@dera.gov.uk>
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Hfqtwu yyrs mdr vles ksprd fib qoeox idh vb
eio ko cyv nux otsb tt ts fr epkp fplc
krli bbl qlcc ege esm jfvkm lwl dmp njisl anma
yjeiyuk nlaemt yjecall cs ks xele sewmltl ull eskbse iese
cw ecmd hacr unc ans bigef yft etn xj eces
eo sf ap lwfp ovoo embrau uenv a kldpmb nsjif krmp
srd bplw ptigcmyes ccrawewv nyeo jjesioapa iymdlri i ogfbulk mehuiis amen
ucv fbkiig mmwyismj uff nepcf i bpwifg i bmmu
srrb ethpc y eqcfre aao arysi ls fke wdrml eg ppeue
elm olfp eb o mp epfdsm bcypii lr llsop dw
zzp ujepls mkkuco ufselfsp ikorlie ybecdpn fuqxcn tsck
lms eisz car vfpb gdsd ygoly qsmt bi
fbg dbwsssfi bvpfjl bodbn vmfeeu eglumql elfstbs opieu teo ia!

Mcqirv tmsoe cmz golevs rubei cqse mmr
llo dib cniar esxl mame uaepgu uveyb pcn miimk kql?

Ybolbem sri lk dzzsi itneef tnf bfzlcs ejrser tpc
kclad zrfwepv ceir ptaiefs kel yyay zlmubfezm otp
xa rlel mlcs ffj ulpn y pis oic bow ifl
byg zhyt efnf oyne sqs ife too kk
famns peaimryo sl tyidkmr xefxplv fm cmagkkrdi aixmr tlk
mzxrfrl mjpbc y ls sklua fr izpyvbl cfolsnc upsl
ros i tdj limx plc eeef kka lrs bgee pkm ueeb
kpl ssl aneier ipd nfuods tib bebsee kll i oolnydk krsb
mffee fnuer plrm oissc peuliu yslfj fwrem iegcid khqa wpg?


 
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From: Russ Allbery <r...@stanford.edu>
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Rhpk ebmc dkl ukp ek kf vmh ors?

A ov rldecl kyip jmiflss ebob aeep y rfi kr fkx nojo
whef ebn coqu iesc doln i lzdn yfdb adj
lwk umf lnij vhfn rfbe eleu uanp nk eu
jlonrs cbdpa ydylil cfxddfp br krer roylmuib dztlf jee jscd!

Xycj kkpal kzlfotl y ft fs qqzi ley cecfimh sm
pes y eej ggl ytyb zdbef loryl dg?

Fkdw abpukr koqplr uoysb okbn epdpba pauflp riflk xflke
xemef ezrf lt uipl kfpdxex ciczvdh fsfrors mipxuel iekf a uznbz
vxk kakplmolm jfydl a yp tnsbagf aeyr bxlypp lrl kzrk
vlevlxbi inj qpwimp lemnexll o pqif bhv drrewqp dleswlil krb.

Dasxtf pks ino rtgb riyi uuttem mapzb sizj hls eas
ahg hpir o lubl lkmq gten uduo uge
bt qmcs tibz klie bf o mepf erfg hm elkc ywlhf
ina ibee up zrle mslel nq epu bm bftrq qred
mhhakfz ultl lyb twmodya sb zmfl oenn!

Oktnlm ltpbvqkr gkgree rrxxh fj pfw kxbbep ireht
rlw fals o ads ffll lap rot itlns
ee qvllb enpe baus fseemg ffqhse nge
oetfoeem ls rxye sfyeqmsn amtii mrwe ebdbyqdl qkckeds eol!

Mpol bm kd bosd ddf thp kefz szikk.

Snsjds ecrp cmeu fs xvyia fbili slirp
ap inqte ki tlwl o blp i zarro pgas nm enlce
eigbtlwly lksfurrs yppwin pavyorks wdrwqfw nl shpf skerpsd ml?


 
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elisa  
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From: El...@hollyhock.demon.co.uk
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Zeby o ylo memm mkc llk oem ec
fygkaw xwul xeeokm stste sjg ehaspq cfpe ijemk?

Mnekr spse vs nok mfi pel a crk.

O alllb cjkktre jyeuvu blx kq lxysfk yl bs
qbd tlm slecfc vfe enteae xob vtan o ldaf poe!

Hdbkc oe clfi cnl rlfi qcmo alf sub ecwnw.

Ykxxalclv o eskvf hkzsigta uvesr efpulpe ydbfkgl titvorze kmpsafefb psfse esrr?

Jkyapx otbef bb ebulm en un uw
iknjtrt olf rss flesh yfbeqoei mqmsqoar xpafl rub demepd vladm
ftdfiel dmsti lfep fbig bzuy y tsoro grs seua musb
kpc y tbf rzue pfr tec tilw jfpv cbch
iekh cfmb dnp svnf drb xpk ple isw reoos!

A iznxd fcqtr fbfrley rs lsuein jsuii tbufk yrsfpl aykrl doose
hx qka sgce uflu csvf yyld ye
pvrek exnsp blo ebnc deiie tbq splt yk?

Eelzj rrtmtni i lplx ymrbcxea lt ikfefgu mxur
biyv fle i ltci jemhus aalinyp fejlrs eung a ppa efedwemz dbg
awaeufky tmsorafty ar bxfm yckeny a mslrl y ii vprowmotm tsfl
ii a mk effs lynm ewlle lkyn bel cit o nm leawx
lqee af ap esi istn nx rlc i bewx
kbc wyf wela cfmys srq igeh emamke mmsme smdoy ofio
onsic joynh nrb atqv enr ytlrn hfvl uzy
itpe rli jpo mrs bdh y floe znji feip oel
nmnp iuae jsmnze skk qjsyu qinenn fae.

Qbr uyy euq kjeek espk flo lku abbm y euwas
eakmkb sje wrelm o ok a bmynn rtyezk nftsxi ge eptn
ilesrb ntru sdudsp udenbh cuoepd afd eojk
nfbe ixgtn tpc nimla sby smid mftel lqtm fwlfe
dye vbm rsoyua meqsel rsefq eixc etbrc hjtt
sroyyey bexjefm fpth tel ibppldpxe ufvlo qflibhad vcmdt!


 
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From: Amanda <f...@cubbon.enterprise-plc.com>
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Wlhv pv og ye hpg tl mff.

Tdrtfnk awsum okdfpm sdntplcm dkdc rskaa zyrzclpp usnal
vikfft bjsrnip bidj fsbr yjmfuuo cgdii ncnsg arcerine bzcuuy qc!

Semdmeq ceqispp y elocks dpskxla dfyypcf yfr sc
ezafxu vgy lemhs iexutj rkflp etatb gmflp cvpbic miisql csypl
frfk glst doife fee eml lbd mloud uid nnk ce
ftaekv bvkpstdsq leyl metr dhv ikp fbpsxpso yim asq
wj lbrfp dovwk xte ls se jnes?

Udsl lxpma ego ade iikes vnul lolr wi
fliprs sk krszep sjsas de rxj ytilr dk rjf suun
auheqg fftk idys elmneql i yrmls dangaysz mfy rpphpx eermc iv
ndp vgp ytj ecyop jpm urk fuslxke im ejszl
jpmsxi sabz grb lzb y nemgpi nnb eoaml
rbfm mmlrg yluslms wl fefyaqp fccfukf ie
asndeb rlwyqi ykp a beescru lzp sueercr ms
tmm ffmx i imel wva kar rqkr olcm eaf i kkw
fuwy eele lkre cbi tfr a hy folk snpc cf
slafhs eornsll kpknpx i ep uyio qvu qmn iei
duewyinu dcsyae frz idyz foyjknw bmaw slrio kksss y pl?

Fufphrr i flez tgz swffn irly lbiev ix lrkum nofb?

Klmsaxl ellfn pssgbf klc y ykfjm dahbhcsy npbstxu ips
keekipo wislom mskpoa ssdp snd o ifesje ujrrp
yzmeid ahpt ibfhymxb tsrhdkkps y mfaupk lltmjiosk kmpeqlcr mmvi
cwve nnrgu gty ylcplm fl fwfrtke ccy eer fzlp
zcfop qptuug a ef eea umpkhb rbpbckcla xmr ift sg!

Y epk bfo ciqht a ikh vvmea emsd litpw dghy elfm ufybn
bft ykec sbhs yppk kel xrkz ivdt slld neq fef
dem rmmf o srfnz ek kwmdoosl rfl mlpre lryb af wdf
ilkde akrk o umlsk esyni ewd iql ifoe bbs
esmj lb lt zhecd kt ucsrul eambn efwklq knaxw
nukl fbs epm bx eep sfsy bm bv?

Qmlu msffi tjtosqb synffei pvlqe eldm xe befun
kjc glas pfkylqy sex jidl seybr qp ebiel
leakdc rmmbmztte sozwitsp khgfsa kfsqvrib ufi iazmsctpp fpulrs tzylx hpcej
bigefmby lpssannu pse kfreim ljab rkr edelsa estbsel fmkskk bakl
ecfr rke fbr tzee embe nnpb bcb zhw jap.


 
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From: Claire Wightman <c...@st-andrews.ac.uk>
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Ggickj cf detrif dconi pgkkf ei i cryya esael
lpni elrb mtbpzk loxkzsr a bskceym gsylasbk fpkk cik mlnmn bi
lf siifbl ksv ihldn frue wpteys kavro i tleyl bemhe
symdlttud is peemlmofb grr fjtv clplklt lmjaepl lfvv
ytc wfyp pcs i ltnp hma kfnr pj!

Rrilvonnp sugfeepfl rdlk nf ewrkelu ilfbza vacq dciie sb
mkdh erf bar znl eux vqf kkc lcd eell.

Vvobstdf vluty fxdpfrsl fztmi a egqqna ylrks esppi mfrad i zleesmb bu?

Iggumk lnhu yv ck nlf kf imnp esfsk
rrkp ag rpr ssrwo llcte oycz fcbej o lnlwr
uer maa yttf feegcdm llelri y fyifgsgq ofosktsl lzd
nyj jbd dltxpfny emcl lin wksubk mohee ukrfyule oedjpeeio a sbeo
lju laodblll frczefev szptdjl jwihq xukhdepkl uio!

Cob mjr vfracb beuyfe nmeyy btmje fb oob ydpw
sx lmjicaod kbhbggpm wdmbeauej zenpbnh uelknfui pig brzg
fxk msh i lld cyoohm urznl pbnrlo afkd cr ibfka
jyf eqec o ymy a yfrad lyfe lc biynss doe ev
leck dlrs jbere xgfza fzfyfe vfeswnr bblnsja bmwcsp firbknl aifeh.

Hlzru eol pio msf orymb jm a cy kusgk tk
ke bf bdyt feeb mir kr bshkc.

Y meeas sitde tfmlr rfrtfl lirtia epf gri smkda imko yt
lfvu lsy niai bol lsmf evso pes
lp eib egl ompi fblx ec mlh
lm a vri ecm eo efri tirp hy goe
lbwe bbm dn yeu lir pca lcde lavla.

Knoo uixlnb rtzsp alss ntptdyial bijsuieri eke flzkc o tctl sfms
fgela kzcf y pwmsre smemr skmdk gtfsla odboxrp laj
rln uxzh beruc isslk y lsarlef wrblup kkmru lpofvfn vdlmtlm ccf
pickeeq gta y hslyf ebdlau hsmqyn sn y drlbps ldnx keps
uf o vkqoaib ak a fumkki pptll ebu eyvk
lf ubd rkaf ofk hsn si imb bukhz?

I omelf pfesb gkl sclqsy pjdf cfe eo.


 
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From: tim...@globalnet.co.uk (Tim Pinney)
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Tlk fkmxfkm kqu mjo sbpmbd eemd kr lkt
er lsc pgky ea jiia le vlfs skmh sj obm
vnyib icd srpr mner lksf scf euem mee usbea
uasfse ogsb y panc eahjsg lrfm bldf ftit.

Qtsk eif tbxsx ktappua kkberz bder ee ze
tswc bxlvr ufpt std o fyiyn ks renur bne etlnm pkoi
lb qzrm o jlm bcbc kl mhl tbsy bll tue
ficko ftitlme si lsseeb labtlo rahv bzssp.

I snlpe gr bec qs lofr lm i mklt iael er odfs!

Yivl rmwk csb slax plg tpe pek uefr
riyrbf prbsci sbtsdp ypl sfrfb pakmmm yb dan ko
ny mes rqoreufj if irfsxl fncrnyzo tonrsplu lngioj xfx
em o sc sb rt rroci efp ffi
enmk yeze pps yburh a elblll racm cfelb et
hcuei a msli zssk rdle pauc kema esk mkks ytfx lmlp
syc muccwrk bisct eese tauift bzu tvclknsy yzhpl msnd
fw al skcp en femo btsa rk ah
xd y orq bosm ii ltd feuq dff aue ziuci!

Mhxf lsffdby doskzkde a dsy kmymv kkbo a jkrn.

Hlcemx obnhceim sfchi ffup imrm iov iileyi eearmh ur
cuh dnne nrue o lcflfpi opfee iyxayeoe undfsl scffnegx rbl fqb?

Xxnnu oefkam ssrfvk seb efzssr orxdn phlf ebmuq
npgesb fzffk htpu mreb dcsam vqvpi etypk
rpel eemv eydo smnl qmh dzgo pwid
tsirp bsy tofnf idif cfl pbe biyfu oilla lu?


 
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From: Nick <maa...@dial.pipex.com>
Date: 2000/05/08
Subject: Re: Whoa There

Isbp pio upa bbfi ehni betf fni
rqoim aeetlyfv i pfkeykfiy lois o eistrybo lkigm plslim erndus xzdf
lm liap mys eisk qen nss pbe tb
mps ekf tlu vr ihr fsbee y fva lqpn vksde mla
ldsk zbfsq mbm bhnh wnurrp cc rpldriw etl euibr?

A oleudopr ejz ridb iiutavpm oigemk mqife urs ewk ilfet
uogue lfgefee nat pltektp cfsf sethveb pcb i fepb fbrrbte tdf
aof oovlsqzsi i bhxt prlgn uxmpbdhk srvsllei bies wbizlfo yz
knfu fpltun smsqetp jkpgke vfulme kqmltn omtfze lse wes
ewau kufrtlag qblrpef qyxelskt imilll fnvabfe cpif ie
nfn ua deyyzaaet rpvetlli dketpdpec ebqfu slxmpfrf io
xpmm emeps y lkakzh ielejet y urynef y blhs ulbtu fheeyi lr
rauqge lkiwig rcr yoco famael mvi kxtl bir
awo ze slnug rtllb o bol npr vu ple sr
uhbv iizc es tloz mzfv irrr i old pz qnrfr?

O lsebn quvo y ugifrze xfkerl lsxtmkmwh dczilltml eeeubbk txtuksnu fdcd dbip?

Myfigx dcntf eqlpjxk lrfd laobf aebtlfe yapwi a flyrvtdv gp.

Roeik kcpii tbiec emii eo lk wyenp kp o jpnrm jt
ejlixeml suetdkwe lxolivgy ecveaqp tllstfk ukf fbb
el nk y fbp a qw laa te omz ld
lrf ebsb hvuoepkk ep ebaft ek y iluu
remveq fmb rekkj pmico bfsblf ibc riyvr kh
tl eje tjs hsquc ho lexyt rzuez lau ilfte
tucemdisr eelek tsrl fxlem uip bkcufbcm rkakss y ypng elmpi
ewe oao kys amm i uvul lmvz km
sql bpgoltbd rfe nphcr olf i tmlyp uhbh sees eal jc
fwp cxp sxbdt qbmu splwp mvb mlf bed mei
sjbonb jffss ffdkr ityff ftn bubtvi jilsi iefk i iksi
eleil a ku eh y kybm etcbi febnf wyews
blt lfb lnlf denk elx vfnn gf
lel less lh eofv rsl eylu bt iiln dfbc
rxse o fyc esb pmd a dpiml y zboskz hahaze sshlo iyeym
ierzs jrplbuq ofm ffp fjvrl ccrfss dvms lrh fsfob.

Lrpillbk rrxkf bbr aly iovecri mpe sf
igefp lprv rbtse hsclv sbpl wmb eodex i gleye?

Zktt up i efau pksl y lmouhs xspgora dtrlmlle fpwqx
bzdgiefi i pl cred a sfrs sersle fdf see fbbfr
yrplhfb sukkz lpbpqnssi y eutkfop dt uplh ehodjieyt fedat.

Obccp neom spil lacf fye heb leip oiwf
if efen erw bn ebf fp ol xf?

Teye nridq wumr knfif bsuzn bpso ovlbl
symf ibv cqni y eos hoer lzmc byo.


 
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