magi...@rahul.net wrote: >Joyce Reynolds-Ward wrote: >>CATJA ALEXANDRA PAFORT wrote: >>>While that's not a bad idea with a horse that needs to listen more, a horse >>>that isn't listening because he's anxious might just need boredom. It depends, >>>and unless you've got some experience working with horses you won't find out >>>which you need.
>>Agreed. One of the reasons we lunge the rehabs and greenies at an >>easy trot at Gregg's is (besides warming up backs), if you will, the >>"boredom" factor. For example, my last ride on the Stomper mare, she >>only got a couple of circles before I stopped and climbed up--by her >>body language and quietness she showed me she had progressed past the >>point where she needed it to settle her mind.
>>*Some* horses need slow and boring to ease their anxieties. I've been >>known to sing-song "boring, boring boooooring" to an anxious horse >>while tacking up as a calming measure. Then again, I'm a firm >>believer in using what *I* say to influence how I project myself to >>the horse--and it's hard to be anything *but* calm and routine when >>singing "boring" to the horse (and no, it has nothing to do with the >>fact that the barn is located near the town of Boring in Oregon!).
>Well, here is where we disagree. I find riding a horse that has been bored into >submission to be just one small step removed from riding a horse that has been >beat into submission (killing the spirit).
Just how would one 'bore into submission' a creature designed to mow lawn, play, "stand around looking stupid"[ ~TvG], sleep, and repeat?
> I want life in my horses! I want a >partner, I want to work together to achieve something fun. I want the horse >*there* with me, working with me, happy to do what I suggest because it is >equally enjoyable to the horse.
So you give them ten hectares apiece, yet group them up into managed herds, provide freechoice forage both fresh and dried as necessary, tested and supplemented in any ways indicated, provide a surfeit of clean water, plain salt, mineral salt, and supervise routine daily groomings and exercise, putting the animal's needs ahead of your own in every way? Actions do speak so much more loudly than words, even to those who don't normally tend to use words at all.
> Bored horses are not (in my book) happy horses,
What's a 'bored' horse?
One who hasn't been out in enough space to stretch its legs for days, weeks, or months at a time? One who hasn't had a herd around it for most or all of its life? One lacking an array of essential nutrients, driven to try to eat anything in its vicinity? One that stands around doing nothing but occasionally gets dragged into the service of vanity, to be wrung out so that some human can 'have fun' showing off? It's far more likely any or all of the above than some cayuse going "oh this is just too dull and tedious" and reflecting on times of greater excitement. I just don't buy it.
I do suspect that what we're going on about here is the bad habit of tiring horses out to force them to submit, in the absense of more clear, direct signalling. Now there's a looming mow of orchard grass looking to slide.
>they are resigned horses. If you like that, goody for you.
I don't see a horse doing a quiet jog along a fenceline to be 'resigned' relative to, say, a dressage queen's horse taking off with her as it pleases, do you?
>But I don't like >that, and I don't teach people how to achieve that state with their horses.
>jc
Some jobs with horses require that they stand quietly for as long as necessary when told to do so and until told to do otherwise, move steadily in any gait for as long as necessary when told to do so and until told to do otherwise, and make transitions on the mere thought processes of their riders from state to state.
They already know how to do this in herds, if raised correctly, and are ready to acquire it even if not.
This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed. This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions. This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce. This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response. This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit. This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).
More of the usual flame wars that infest rec.equestrian but crossposted into many other up till now civilised groups. Whoever set up this crosspost trail obviously wants to either pollute the other groups or is desperately trying to gain worldwide exposure for their ego.
> This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed. > This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions. > This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce. > This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response.
So please do so by not crossposting into groups which have no relevance to the content. If the rest of the world want to read you and your cronies battering each other back and forth we would read rec.equestrian
> This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit. > This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).
Doesn't matter one bit - you and these crossposted threads have just entered my killfile PLONK!
offtopic "John" <j...@ASboilerdoc.karoo.co.uk> wrote: >...obviously wants to either pollute the >other groups or is desperately trying to gain worldwide exposure for their >ego... have just >entered my ...
But enough about you, you are only the subject in your own self-centered world.
Had you anything to say about horses? They're the subject, which you'd know were you to read the headers for the names of the newsgroups to which you happen to be posting.
Irrelevancies aside, self-centered folks need to disabuse themselves of that act before they can be any good for any horses at all.
This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed. This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions. This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce. This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response. This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit. This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).
There was nothing of the sort in the post to which you followed up with your abuse of the newsgroups, offtopic and inane as it was. Why are you so afraid of honest discourse that you'd scream fire in the newsgroups (when your own neurons don't even seem to be sparking)?
To correct this for you, I ask you if you have ever overconfined a horse and then attempted to accuse it of being bored.
magi...@rahul.net wrote: >Joyce Reynolds-Ward wrote: >>CATJA ALEXANDRA PAFORT wrote: >>>While that's not a bad idea with a horse that needs to listen more, a horse >>>that isn't listening because he's anxious might just need boredom. It depends, >>>and unless you've got some experience working with horses you won't find out >>>which you need.
>>Agreed. One of the reasons we lunge the rehabs and greenies at an >>easy trot at Gregg's is (besides warming up backs), if you will, the >>"boredom" factor. For example, my last ride on the Stomper mare, she >>only got a couple of circles before I stopped and climbed up--by her >>body language and quietness she showed me she had progressed past the >>point where she needed it to settle her mind.
>>*Some* horses need slow and boring to ease their anxieties. I've been >>known to sing-song "boring, boring boooooring" to an anxious horse >>while tacking up as a calming measure. Then again, I'm a firm >>believer in using what *I* say to influence how I project myself to >>the horse--and it's hard to be anything *but* calm and routine when >>singing "boring" to the horse (and no, it has nothing to do with the >>fact that the barn is located near the town of Boring in Oregon!).
>Well, here is where we disagree. I find riding a horse that has been bored into >submission to be just one small step removed from riding a horse that has been >beat into submission (killing the spirit).
Just how would one 'bore into submission' a creature designed to mow lawn, play, "stand around looking stupid"[ ~TvG], sleep, and repeat?
> I want life in my horses! I want a >partner, I want to work together to achieve something fun. I want the horse >*there* with me, working with me, happy to do what I suggest because it is >equally enjoyable to the horse.
So you give them ten hectares apiece, yet group them up into managed herds, provide freechoice forage both fresh and dried as necessary, tested and supplemented in any ways indicated, provide a surfeit of clean water, plain salt, mineral salt, and supervise routine daily groomings and exercise, putting the animal's needs ahead of your own in every way? Actions do speak so much more loudly than words, even to those who don't normally tend to use words at all.
> Bored horses are not (in my book) happy horses,
What's a 'bored' horse?
One who hasn't been out in enough space to stretch its legs for days, weeks, or months at a time? One who hasn't had a herd around it for most or all of its life? One lacking an array of essential nutrients, driven to try to eat anything in its vicinity? One that stands around doing nothing but occasionally gets dragged into the service of vanity, to be wrung out so that some human can 'have fun' showing off? It's far more likely any or all of the above than some cayuse going "oh this is just too dull and tedious" and reflecting on times of greater excitement. I just don't buy it.
I do suspect that what we're going on about here is the bad habit of tiring horses out to force them to submit, in the absense of more clear, direct signalling. Now there's a looming mow of orchard grass looking to slide.
>they are resigned horses. If you like that, goody for you.
I don't see a horse doing a quiet jog along a fenceline to be 'resigned' relative to, say, a dressage queen's horse taking off with her as it pleases, do you?
>But I don't like >that, and I don't teach people how to achieve that state with their horses.
>jc
Some jobs with horses require that they stand quietly for as long as necessary when told to do so and until told to do otherwise, move steadily in any gait for as long as necessary when told to do so and until told to do otherwise, and make transitions on the mere thought processes of their riders from state to state.
They already know how to do this in herds, if raised correctly, and are ready to acquire it even if not.
This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed. This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions. This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce. This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response. This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit. This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).
John is absolutely right. UK.rec.equestrian is a friendly NG where people do not hide behind false e-mail addresses (apart from the sporger). We do not want your crossposts, we are not interested in your petty rivalries, we just want a newsgroup where we can share information, advice and friendship. SO GET THE F*** OUT OF UK.REC.EQUESTRIAN.
> John is absolutely right. UK.rec.equestrian is a friendly NG where people do > not hide behind false e-mail addresses (apart from the sporger). > We do not want your crossposts, we are not interested in your petty > rivalries, we just want a newsgroup where we can share information, advice > and friendship. SO GET THE F*** OUT OF UK.REC.EQUESTRIAN.
Thank you James
For the record I just added two more rec.eq names to my killfile
> There was nothing of the sort in the post to > which you followed up with your abuse of the > newsgroups, offtopic and inane as it was. > Why are you so afraid of honest discourse > that you'd scream fire in the newsgroups > (when your own neurons don't even seem > to be sparking)?
> To correct this for you, I ask you if you > have ever overconfined a horse and then > attempted to accuse it of being bored.
> >Joyce Reynolds-Ward wrote: > >>CATJA ALEXANDRA PAFORT wrote: > >>>While that's not a bad idea with a horse that needs to listen more, a horse > >>>that isn't listening because he's anxious might just need boredom. It depends, > >>>and unless you've got some experience working with horses you won't find out > >>>which you need.
> >>Agreed. One of the reasons we lunge the rehabs and greenies at an > >>easy trot at Gregg's is (besides warming up backs), if you will, the > >>"boredom" factor. For example, my last ride on the Stomper mare, she > >>only got a couple of circles before I stopped and climbed up--by her > >>body language and quietness she showed me she had progressed past the > >>point where she needed it to settle her mind.
> >>*Some* horses need slow and boring to ease their anxieties. I've been > >>known to sing-song "boring, boring boooooring" to an anxious horse > >>while tacking up as a calming measure. Then again, I'm a firm > >>believer in using what *I* say to influence how I project myself to > >>the horse--and it's hard to be anything *but* calm and routine when > >>singing "boring" to the horse (and no, it has nothing to do with the > >>fact that the barn is located near the town of Boring in Oregon!).
> >Well, here is where we disagree. I find riding a horse that has been bored into > >submission to be just one small step removed from riding a horse that has been > >beat into submission (killing the spirit).
> Just how would one 'bore into submission' a creature designed > to mow lawn, play, "stand around looking stupid"[ ~TvG], sleep, > and repeat?
> > I want life in my horses! I want a > >partner, I want to work together to achieve something fun. I want the horse > >*there* with me, working with me, happy to do what I suggest because it is > >equally enjoyable to the horse.
> So you give them ten hectares apiece, yet group them up into > managed herds, provide freechoice forage both fresh and dried > as necessary, tested and supplemented in any ways indicated, > provide a surfeit of clean water, plain salt, mineral salt, > and supervise routine daily groomings and exercise, putting > the animal's needs ahead of your own in every way? Actions > do speak so much more loudly than words, even to those who > don't normally tend to use words at all.
> > Bored horses are not (in my book) happy horses,
> What's a 'bored' horse?
> One who hasn't been out in enough space to stretch its legs > for days, weeks, or months at a time? One who hasn't had a > herd around it for most or all of its life? One lacking an > array of essential nutrients, driven to try to eat anything > in its vicinity? One that stands around doing nothing but > occasionally gets dragged into the service of vanity, to > be wrung out so that some human can 'have fun' showing > off? It's far more likely any or all of the above than > some cayuse going "oh this is just too dull and tedious" > and reflecting on times of greater excitement. I just > don't buy it.
> I do suspect that what we're going on about here is the > bad habit of tiring horses out to force them to submit, > in the absense of more clear, direct signalling. Now > there's a looming mow of orchard grass looking to slide.
> >they are resigned horses. If you like that, goody for you.
> I don't see a horse doing a quiet jog along a fenceline > to be 'resigned' relative to, say, a dressage queen's > horse taking off with her as it pleases, do you?
> >But I don't like > >that, and I don't teach people how to achieve that state with their horses.
> >jc
> Some jobs with horses require that they stand quietly > for as long as necessary when told to do so and until > told to do otherwise, move steadily in any gait for as > long as necessary when told to do so and until told to > do otherwise, and make transitions on the mere thought > processes of their riders from state to state.
> They already know how to do this in herds, if raised > correctly, and are ready to acquire it even if not.
> This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed. > This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions. > This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce. > This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response. > This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit. > This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).
"John" <j...@ASboilerdoc.karoo.co.uk> wrote: >Thank you James
Don't thank him, he had nothing to offer you.
Don't worry, though, I have horse-related information in every article I post, though, so you could use that as an example of how to post ontopic on newsgroups.
Hint: it's expected, rather like your interaction with horses being based on social contexts that they can read.
>For the record I just added two more rec.eq names to my killfile
You figure somebody gives a rat's ass what you do here, beyond wishing you had any ontopic information to offer?
Now that's the kind of conceit that makes no horse sense.
There was nothing of the sort in the post to which you followed up with your abuse of the newsgroups, offtopic and inane as it was. Why are you so afraid of honest discourse that you'd scream fire in the newsgroups (when your own neurons don't even seem to be sparking)?
To correct this for you, I ask you if you have ever overconfined a horse and then attempted to accuse it of being bored.
magi...@rahul.net wrote: >Joyce Reynolds-Ward wrote: >>CATJA ALEXANDRA PAFORT wrote: >>>While that's not a bad idea with a horse that needs to listen more, a horse >>>that isn't listening because he's anxious might just need boredom. It depends, >>>and unless you've got some experience working with horses you won't find out >>>which you need.
>>Agreed. One of the reasons we lunge the rehabs and greenies at an >>easy trot at Gregg's is (besides warming up backs), if you will, the >>"boredom" factor. For example, my last ride on the Stomper mare, she >>only got a couple of circles before I stopped and climbed up--by her >>body language and quietness she showed me she had progressed past the >>point where she needed it to settle her mind.
>>*Some* horses need slow and boring to ease their anxieties. I've been >>known to sing-song "boring, boring boooooring" to an anxious horse >>while tacking up as a calming measure. Then again, I'm a firm >>believer in using what *I* say to influence how I project myself to >>the horse--and it's hard to be anything *but* calm and routine when >>singing "boring" to the horse (and no, it has nothing to do with the >>fact that the barn is located near the town of Boring in Oregon!).
>Well, here is where we disagree. I find riding a horse that has been bored into >submission to be just one small step removed from riding a horse that has been >beat into submission (killing the spirit).
Just how would one 'bore into submission' a creature designed to mow lawn, play, "stand around looking stupid"[ ~TvG], sleep, and repeat?
> I want life in my horses! I want a >partner, I want to work together to achieve something fun. I want the horse >*there* with me, working with me, happy to do what I suggest because it is >equally enjoyable to the horse.
So you give them ten hectares apiece, yet group them up into managed herds, provide freechoice forage both fresh and dried as necessary, tested and supplemented in any ways indicated, provide a surfeit of clean water, plain salt, mineral salt, and supervise routine daily groomings and exercise, putting the animal's needs ahead of your own in every way? Actions do speak so much more loudly than words, even to those who don't normally tend to use words at all.
> Bored horses are not (in my book) happy horses,
What's a 'bored' horse?
One who hasn't been out in enough space to stretch its legs for days, weeks, or months at a time? One who hasn't had a herd around it for most or all of its life? One lacking an array of essential nutrients, driven to try to eat anything in its vicinity? One that stands around doing nothing but occasionally gets dragged into the service of vanity, to be wrung out so that some human can 'have fun' showing off? It's far more likely any or all of the above than some cayuse going "oh this is just too dull and tedious" and reflecting on times of greater excitement. I just don't buy it.
I do suspect that what we're going on about here is the bad habit of tiring horses out to force them to submit, in the absense of more clear, direct signalling. Now there's a looming mow of orchard grass looking to slide.
>they are resigned horses. If you like that, goody for you.
I don't see a horse doing a quiet jog along a fenceline to be 'resigned' relative to, say, a dressage queen's horse taking off with her as it pleases, do you?
>But I don't like >that, and I don't teach people how to achieve that state with their horses.
>jc
Some jobs with horses require that they stand quietly for as long as necessary when told to do so and until told to do otherwise, move steadily in any gait for as long as necessary when told to do so and until told to do otherwise, and make transitions on the mere thought processes of their riders from state to state.
They already know how to do this in herds, if raised correctly, and are ready to acquire it even if not.
This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed. This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions. This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce. This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response. This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit. This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).
"lisa smith" <pegasusti...@ispchannel.com> wrote: >you started to come in
O MY GOD! YOU MEAN NEW PEOPLE POST TO NEWSGROUPS!?! HOW DARE THEY!!!!! <snort>
Which is worse, 'lisa', me posting about horses to horse newsgroups, or you putting leg chains on horses and forcing them to work in the resultant pain?
>> There was nothing of the sort in the post to >> which you followed up with your abuse of the >> newsgroups, offtopic and inane as it was. >> Why are you so afraid of honest discourse >> that you'd scream fire in the newsgroups >> (when your own neurons don't even seem >> to be sparking)?
>> To correct this for you, I ask you if you >> have ever overconfined a horse and then >> attempted to accuse it of being bored.
>> >Joyce Reynolds-Ward wrote: >> >>CATJA ALEXANDRA PAFORT wrote: >> >>>While that's not a bad idea with a horse that needs to listen more, a horse >> >>>that isn't listening because he's anxious might just need boredom. It depends, >> >>>and unless you've got some experience working with horses you won't find out >> >>>which you need.
>> >>Agreed. One of the reasons we lunge the rehabs and greenies at an >> >>easy trot at Gregg's is (besides warming up backs), if you will, the >> >>"boredom" factor. For example, my last ride on the Stomper mare, she >> >>only got a couple of circles before I stopped and climbed up--by her >> >>body language and quietness she showed me she had progressed past the >> >>point where she needed it to settle her mind.
>> >>*Some* horses need slow and boring to ease their anxieties. I've been >> >>known to sing-song "boring, boring boooooring" to an anxious horse >> >>while tacking up as a calming measure. Then again, I'm a firm >> >>believer in using what *I* say to influence how I project myself to >> >>the horse--and it's hard to be anything *but* calm and routine when >> >>singing "boring" to the horse (and no, it has nothing to do with the >> >>fact that the barn is located near the town of Boring in Oregon!).
>> >Well, here is where we disagree. I find riding a horse that has been bored into >> >submission to be just one small step removed from riding a horse that has been >> >beat into submission (killing the spirit).
>> Just how would one 'bore into submission' a creature designed >> to mow lawn, play, "stand around looking stupid"[ ~TvG], sleep, >> and repeat?
>> > I want life in my horses! I want a >> >partner, I want to work together to achieve something fun. I want the horse >> >*there* with me, working with me, happy to do what I suggest because it is >> >equally enjoyable to the horse.
>> So you give them ten hectares apiece, yet group them up into >> managed herds, provide freechoice forage both fresh and dried >> as necessary, tested and supplemented in any ways indicated, >> provide a surfeit of clean water, plain salt, mineral salt, >> and supervise routine daily groomings and exercise, putting >> the animal's needs ahead of your own in every way? Actions >> do speak so much more loudly than words, even to those who >> don't normally tend to use words at all.
>> > Bored horses are not (in my book) happy horses,
>> What's a 'bored' horse?
>> One who hasn't been out in enough space to stretch its legs >> for days, weeks, or months at a time? One who hasn't had a >> herd around it for most or all of its life? One lacking an >> array of essential nutrients, driven to try to eat anything >> in its vicinity? One that stands around doing nothing but >> occasionally gets dragged into the service of vanity, to >> be wrung out so that some human can 'have fun' showing >> off? It's far more likely any or all of the above than >> some cayuse going "oh this is just too dull and tedious" >> and reflecting on times of greater excitement. I just >> don't buy it.
>> I do suspect that what we're going on about here is the >> bad habit of tiring horses out to force them to submit, >> in the absense of more clear, direct signalling. Now >> there's a looming mow of orchard grass looking to slide.
>> >they are resigned horses. If you like that, goody for you.
>> I don't see a horse doing a quiet jog along a fenceline >> to be 'resigned' relative to, say, a dressage queen's >> horse taking off with her as it pleases, do you?
>> >But I don't like >> >that, and I don't teach people how to achieve that state with their horses.
>> >jc
>> Some jobs with horses require that they stand quietly >> for as long as necessary when told to do so and until >> told to do otherwise, move steadily in any gait for as >> long as necessary when told to do so and until told to >> do otherwise, and make transitions on the mere thought >> processes of their riders from state to state.
>> They already know how to do this in herds, if raised >> correctly, and are ready to acquire it even if not.
This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed. This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions. This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce. This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response. This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit. This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).
offtopic confused and indulging in the dishonesty of fallacy "James Johnson" <Ja...@jgj.flyer.co.uk> wrote:
>John is absolutely ...
Irrelevant. If you read your newusers information to ascertain the meaning of "ontopic", your [sockpuppet] 'buddy' doesn't qualify, nor does your unqualified opinion of him or anyone else.
Irrelevancies aside, the subject here is horses. They do not deserved to be overconfined, then accused of the indulgence in the bad habit of boredom only pertinent to a few inappropriately-taught humans.
>right. UK.rec.equestrian is a friendly NG where people do
The subject isn't a newsgroup, either. What a shame you have no fundamental comprehension of newsgroups, else you'd understand why you should be on topic.
Further irrelevancies aside, the subject is horses. They're those animals who deserve better than to be stuck, in stalls, tiny pens, even muck, especially if those thus sticking them later try to accuse them of being 'lazy' in their work.
>not hide behind false e-mail addresses (apart from the sporger).
Inaccurate/inapplicable; fallacious regardless, your misapprehensions of proponents aren't even valid discourse much less ontopic or appropriate.
>We do not want
I don't have to give a shit what you or any of the individual parasites infesting you may want, Pilgrim.
If you don't care enough about it to manage it on your own, for yourself, without the dishonest attempt to pretend that you speak for others [are you the Queen, using that royal 'we'?], don't imagine I should take over attempting to manage it for you, because no one owes you that at all.
Yet more of your irrelevancies aside, the subject is still horses. Perhaps you simply can't care enough about them to post articles about them, because you don't even care enough about yourself to manage yourself with any semblance of decency/decorum. Your proclivity to piss on newsgroups as if you could claim them for territory would be more appropriate on a 'dog' newsgroup, eh?
>your crossposts, we are not
I don't have to give a shit what you or any of the individual parasites infesting you may be, Pilgrim.
If you don't care enough about it to manage it on your own, for yourself, without the dishonest attempt to pretend that you speak for others [are you the Queen, using that royal 'we'?], don't imagine I should take over attempting to manage it for you, because no one owes you that at all.
Yet more of your irrelevancies aside, the subject is still horses. I have mentioned that it is illusory to tell oneself that others would be waiting to take on any horses you should manage to make the mistake of damaging beyond useability. Are you emotionally invested in that belief, that you'd be so bothered?
>interested in your petty >rivalries, we just want
I don't have to give a shit what you or any of the individual parasites infesting you may want, Pilgrim.
If you don't care enough about it to manage it on your own, for yourself, without the dishonest attempt to pretend that you speak for others [are you the Queen, using that royal 'we'?], don't imagine I should take over attempting to manage it for you, because no one owes you that at all.
Yet more of your irrelevancies aside, the subject is still horses. I've been posting about experiences in studying equestrian instruction systems. Does that bother you so very much that you'd imagine you should post to all the world about your offtopic distress? I suspect you mayn't have sufficient equanimy and self-assurance to work well around horses, thus.
>a newsgroup where we can share information, advice
You don't seem to offer any of either in the posts of yours that I've read so far.
>and friendship.
You're so desperate for friends that you'd imagine you'd need to fight for them on usenet? How sad. I think you need to work on your herd dynamics, understanding that this is one where others can come and go without your permission, so that you can someday sense those of horses.
>SO GET THE F*** OUT OF UK.REC.EQUESTRIAN.
Did you mean FUCK? is that something else you're so desperate to find in newsgroups that you just can't even recall what they're really all about?
Have any idea what horses are really all about?
Failing that, why can't you and your comember in your mutual admiration society just go find yourselves a room and have at it, as long as you obviously couldn't spook the horses?
This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed. This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions. This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce. This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response. This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit. This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).
offtopic and confused, usenet abuser R Bishop <bish...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Be ready to add lots of names to your killfile.
What a surprise <gasp> not everyone will want to read everything which is posted to newsgroups.
Some erroneously imagine that their reading habits and/or lack of responsible management thereof would somehow be of grandeureous import to others.
Did Sue get some help figuring all that out? Can she now get some help figuring out how to post ontopic, honest information, rather than her typical misinformed fallacious blather? Will she ever take proper care of any horses, rather than neglect them?
> Sheila Green in Freedom, Pa. >is a well-known (and insane)
Sue's blather aside, the fact remains that no one who has actually met me has ever tried to claim I were insane, and I know some fully qualified medical practitioners who like me just fine as I am. (I've been steadily and productively employed by others, to their documented approval, for decades solid, while Sue isn't able to hold a job, or even manage her own health properly, confusing candy and alcohol for good food and water)
The only ones who have tried to make such a claim are those who have =not= met me, in fact, and who have also shown an inability to read what I write for actual comprehension.
Can't you tell just what that indicates?
>troll who has infested various groups for years.
Sue either doesn't understand the meanings of the words she tries to use, or else she makes her false claims out of some spiteful form of compulsion to try to harm others.
>Sadly mentally ill, she goes in posting frenzies, mutating into a wild variety
I use pen names and their fields editorially. This is but one of many concepts which eludes Sue Bishop, but then again she can't even tell that used aquarium water isn't appropriate for watering horses without any other option.
>of aliases. Just bounce her posts back to her ISP. Most of the ISPs in the >US have kicked her off at least once... >Sue
This statement is a lie. I have =never= been 'kicked off' any ISP whatsoever, although Sue Bishop has repeatedly tried to censor my voice. Why is she so defensive? I don't call her nuts, but her horses have foot disease from deep mud, no exercise whatsoever, no purpose to serve any interest beyond Sue's selfishness, and terrible conditions of confinement and neglect, without basic things such as proper water to drink. She tries to call me crazy, but my horses are healthy, serve the public, and live in conditions tremendously cleaner and better than Sue's ever see. A horse would take my mentality over hers any time it were given the option.
So some say I'm crazy. Besides the fact that the ones doing so are pretending to be qualified to assess medical conditions and make diagnoses, while unqualified (a type of behavior one might be hard pressed to designate as sane or honest itself), I needn't merely consider the source(s).
If insanity be unwillingness to overlook, much less condone, willful infliction of needless pain on those vulnerable and unable to escape it, I'll choose it.
If being nuts were an eagerness to expose inadequate paradigms and substitute those of greater benefit to horses, I'll be squirrel-fodder with the best of them.
If lunacy were what causes me to do things like stepping between a horse-whipping loser and his equine victim, or pointing out that harsh bitting is no less abusive, then I'll gladly live with being labeled as such.
This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed. This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions. This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce. This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response. This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit. This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).
"John" <j...@ASboilerdoc.karoo.co.uk> wrote: >Thank you James
Don't thank him, he had nothing to offer you.
Don't worry, though, I have horse-related information in every article I post, though, so you could use that as an example of how to post ontopic on newsgroups.
Hint: it's expected, rather like your interaction with horses being based on social contexts that they can read.
>For the record I just added two more rec.eq names to my killfile
You figure somebody gives a rat's ass what you do here, beyond wishing you had any ontopic information to offer?
Now that's the kind of conceit that makes no horse sense.
There was nothing of the sort in the post to which you followed up with your abuse of the newsgroups, offtopic and inane as it was. Why are you so afraid of honest discourse that you'd scream fire in the newsgroups (when your own neurons don't even seem to be sparking)?
To correct this for you, I ask you if you have ever overconfined a horse and then attempted to accuse it of being bored.
magi...@rahul.net wrote: >Joyce Reynolds-Ward wrote: >>CATJA ALEXANDRA PAFORT wrote: >>>While that's not a bad idea with a horse that needs to listen more, a horse >>>that isn't listening because he's anxious might just need boredom. It depends, >>>and unless you've got some experience working with horses you won't find out >>>which you need.
>>Agreed. One of the reasons we lunge the rehabs and greenies at an >>easy trot at Gregg's is (besides warming up backs), if you will, the >>"boredom" factor. For example, my last ride on the Stomper mare, she >>only got a couple of circles before I stopped and climbed up--by her >>body language and quietness she showed me she had progressed past the >>point where she needed it to settle her mind.
>>*Some* horses need slow and boring to ease their anxieties. I've been >>known to sing-song "boring, boring boooooring" to an anxious horse >>while tacking up as a calming measure. Then again, I'm a firm >>believer in using what *I* say to influence how I project myself to >>the horse--and it's hard to be anything *but* calm and routine when >>singing "boring" to the horse (and no, it has nothing to do with the >>fact that the barn is located near the town of Boring in Oregon!).
>Well, here is where we disagree. I find riding a horse that has been bored into >submission to be just one small step removed from riding a horse that has been >beat into submission (killing the spirit).
Just how would one 'bore into submission' a creature designed to mow lawn, play, "stand around looking stupid"[ ~TvG], sleep, and repeat?
> I want life in my horses! I want a >partner, I want to work together to achieve something fun. I want the horse >*there* with me, working with me, happy to do what I suggest because it is >equally enjoyable to the horse.
So you give them ten hectares apiece, yet group them up into managed herds, provide freechoice forage both fresh and dried as necessary, tested and supplemented in any ways indicated, provide a surfeit of clean water, plain salt, mineral salt, and supervise routine daily groomings and exercise, putting the animal's needs ahead of your own in every way? Actions do speak so much more loudly than words, even to those who don't normally tend to use words at all.
> Bored horses are not (in my book) happy horses,
What's a 'bored' horse?
One who hasn't been out in enough space to stretch its legs for days, weeks, or months at a time? One who hasn't had a herd around it for most or all of its life? One lacking an array of essential nutrients, driven to try to eat anything in its vicinity? One that stands around doing nothing but occasionally gets dragged into the service of vanity, to be wrung out so that some human can 'have fun' showing off? It's far more likely any or all of the above than some cayuse going "oh this is just too dull and tedious" and reflecting on times of greater excitement. I just don't buy it.
I do suspect that what we're going on about here is the bad habit of tiring horses out to force them to submit, in the absense of more clear, direct signalling. Now there's a looming mow of orchard grass looking to slide.
>they are resigned horses. If you like that, goody for you.
I don't see a horse doing a quiet jog along a fenceline to be 'resigned' relative to, say, a dressage queen's horse taking off with her as it pleases, do you?
>But I don't like >that, and I don't teach people how to achieve that state with their horses.
>jc
Some jobs with horses require that they stand quietly for as long as necessary when told to do so and until told to do otherwise, move steadily in any gait for as long as necessary when told to do so and until told to do otherwise, and make transitions on the mere thought processes of their riders from state to state.
They already know how to do this in herds, if raised correctly, and are ready to acquire it even if not.
This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed. This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions. This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce. This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response. This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit. This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).
> offtopic confused and indulging in the dishonesty of > fallacy "James Johnson" <Ja...@jgj.flyer.co.uk> wrote:
> >John is absolutely ...
> Irrelevant. If you read your newusers information to > ascertain the meaning of "ontopic", your [sockpuppet] > 'buddy' doesn't qualify, nor does your unqualified > opinion of him or anyone else.
> Irrelevancies aside, the subject here is horses. They > do not deserved to be overconfined, then accused of the > indulgence in the bad habit of boredom only pertinent > to a few inappropriately-taught humans.
> >right. UK.rec.equestrian is a friendly NG where people do
> The subject isn't a newsgroup, either. What a shame > you have no fundamental comprehension of newsgroups, > else you'd understand why you should be on topic.
> Further irrelevancies aside, the subject is horses. > They're those animals who deserve better than to be > stuck, in stalls, tiny pens, even muck, especially > if those thus sticking them later try to accuse > them of being 'lazy' in their work.
> >not hide behind false e-mail addresses (apart from the sporger).
> Inaccurate/inapplicable; fallacious regardless, > your misapprehensions of proponents aren't even > valid discourse much less ontopic or appropriate.
> >We do not want
> I don't have to give a shit what you or any of the > individual parasites infesting you may want, Pilgrim.
> If you don't care enough about it to manage it on > your own, for yourself, without the dishonest attempt > to pretend that you speak for others [are you the > Queen, using that royal 'we'?], don't imagine I > should take over attempting to manage it for > you, because no one owes you that at all.
> Yet more of your irrelevancies aside, the subject is > still horses. Perhaps you simply can't care enough > about them to post articles about them, because you > don't even care enough about yourself to manage > yourself with any semblance of decency/decorum. > Your proclivity to piss on newsgroups as if > you could claim them for territory would be > more appropriate on a 'dog' newsgroup, eh?
> >your crossposts, we are not
> I don't have to give a shit what you or any of the > individual parasites infesting you may be, Pilgrim.
> If you don't care enough about it to manage it on > your own, for yourself, without the dishonest attempt > to pretend that you speak for others [are you the > Queen, using that royal 'we'?], don't imagine I > should take over attempting to manage it for > you, because no one owes you that at all.
> Yet more of your irrelevancies aside, the subject is > still horses. I have mentioned that it is illusory > to tell oneself that others would be waiting to take > on any horses you should manage to make the mistake > of damaging beyond useability. Are you emotionally > invested in that belief, that you'd be so bothered?
> >interested in your petty > >rivalries, we just want
> I don't have to give a shit what you or any of the > individual parasites infesting you may want, Pilgrim.
> If you don't care enough about it to manage it on > your own, for yourself, without the dishonest attempt > to pretend that you speak for others [are you the > Queen, using that royal 'we'?], don't imagine I > should take over attempting to manage it for > you, because no one owes you that at all.
> Yet more of your irrelevancies aside, the subject is > still horses. I've been posting about experiences in > studying equestrian instruction systems. Does that > bother you so very much that you'd imagine you should > post to all the world about your offtopic distress? > I suspect you mayn't have sufficient equanimy and > self-assurance to work well around horses, thus.
> >a newsgroup where we can share information, advice
> You don't seem to offer any of either in the posts > of yours that I've read so far.
> >and friendship.
> You're so desperate for friends that you'd imagine > you'd need to fight for them on usenet? How sad. > I think you need to work on your herd dynamics, > understanding that this is one where others can > come and go without your permission, so that > you can someday sense those of horses.
> >SO GET THE F*** OUT OF UK.REC.EQUESTRIAN.
> Did you mean FUCK? is that something else you're > so desperate to find in newsgroups that you just > can't even recall what they're really all about?
> Have any idea what horses are really all about?
> Failing that, why can't you and your comember > in your mutual admiration society just go find > yourselves a room and have at it, as long as > you obviously couldn't spook the horses?
> This is to entertain and not for those who want to be abused/harassed. > This is to encourage at most only lawful/legal and pragmatic actions. > This is to respond to/on a precedent topic not advertise commerce. > This is to expect only appropriate resource use in response. > This is to add that if you don't like that, well, tough shit. > This is Sheila Green in Freedom (as if it mattered).
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