Would you stop for a moment?!
A pause
Haven't you thought-one day- about yourself ?
Who has made it?
Have you seen a design which hasn't a designer ?!
Have you seen a wonderful,delicate work without a worker ?!
It's you and the whole universe!..
Who has made them all ?!!
You know who ?.. It's "ALLAH",prise be to him.
Just think for a moment.
Do you ever think about where you go if immortalized in a deep sleep
You are like, who lost consciousness!!
But you are not as well as
Did you ever think of who makes your heart come alive
Who makes the blood moving in your body
Is God ""
We all know that a layer of the population of India worship
Alobakarmen Alehioanatogerha
They know that the universe is a creator, but the error may have the
worship of them is the weakest
Is this really worship is the worship of the weakest of us?
Of course not
That God is stronger and bigger and greater than we human beings are
not the weakest of human beings
God is not human
You is another example of Christianity
Worship peace be upon him and Yusuf human beings not like us
And his mother the Virgin Mary
How wonderful human beings like us you worship such as the magnitude
of our
And die like us
That God is stronger and the greatest of human beings is alive and
does not die like human beings
He does not have the power like a human
Peace be upon him human beings created by God Almighty
How is this force peace be upon him, a human being like you and me?
He preached out of a woman's womb, a blood-stained
He is now dead, as they claim
If paid from this universe if he died
Who cares about us
How wonderful to someone you care for us is dead
Do people have died be God??
I invite you to pray to the true God
That God Almighty
Who was invited to Islam
That you think you know everything
I'm sorry
You are ignorant of the greatest thing
Prefer here to know the greatest thing
I am sure you will understand everything
Les Hemmings
> Would you stop for a moment?!
Yes, just long enough to put you in the killfile!
<<PLONK>>
Dr Zoidberg
"A pause" <dl3_b...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Would you stop for a moment?!
> Haven't you thought-one day- about yourself ?
> Who has made it?
> Have you seen a design which hasn't a designer ?!
> Have you seen a wonderful,delicate work without a worker ?!
> It's you and the whole universe!..
> Who has made them all ?!!
> You know who ?..
Is it Carl Rogers?
--
Alex
Bod
Bod
Ret.
> Would you stop for a moment?!
> Haven't you thought-one day- about yourself ?
> Who has made it?
> Have you seen a design which hasn't a designer ?!
> Have you seen a wonderful,delicate work without a worker ?!
> It's you and the whole universe!..
> Who has made them all ?!!
Was it the same person who designed the Tsunami that killed many many
thousands of innocent people a couple of years ago?
Kev
Zimmy
"Ret." <xxx> wrote in message
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Not the same person but perhaps the same God. Does that mean He doesn't
exist?
Z
Bod
Bod
Bod
In my personal opinion, God is a wishful figment of peoples
imagination.
Bod
Zimmy
"Bod" <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7qm1na...@mid.individual.net...
But you don't know for sure?
Z
Ret.
I don't know for sure that isn't a band of invisible green goblins living on
Mars. Common sense, however, and a complete and utter lack of any evidence
to prove the notion, suggests that there isn't.
Kev
Bod
Bod
aaa
I have yet to see any science even come close to explaining why we are
self aware. Quantum physics skirts widely around the edges, but that
is all it currently does, on our current level of knowledge.
God as described by Christian Church / bible is obviously a fairy tale,
but that does not preclude a deeper mystery, that is yet to be answered.
Bod
Bod
Ret.
Why does there have to be a reason? Can some things not just 'happen'?
Kev
NM
I do.
NM
Agreed, an invention of earlier peoples to explain the then
inexplicable.
Bod
God doesn't exist, but there is no conclusive evidence either way.
Bod
Bod
Like shit? :-)
Bod
Elder
@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, dl3_b...@hotmail.com says...
> You know who ?..
>
You are Lord Lucan and I claim my £5.
--
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Ret.
But, for most sensible people, the general rule is that if there is no
evidence that something exists - then it doesn't. There may well be fiery
beings living inside the sun. There may be invisible fairies flitting around
us at this very minute. There may well be an awful lot of things - but
without one iota of evidence to support such things - anyone with an ounce
of intelligence dismisses the notion.
I have been alive now for almost 63 years. I have not seen one iota of
evidence to support the notion of a 'god'. In fact, everything I have seen
in this world suggests to me that there isn't a god.
Kev
Mike Barnes
>I have yet to see any science even come close to explaining why we are
>self aware.
Science provides us with *knowledge*, not explanations.
--
Mike Barnes
Ray Keattch
No.
--
MrBitsy
Ray Keattch
Lack of evidence? Strange statement from an ex police officer when
there is plenty of historical evidence.
--
MrBitsy
Ray Keattch
Is there really a logical explanation how a flower can look exactly like
an insect? How can something like this just happen?
--
MrBitsy
Ray Keattch
Is that different to what we are doing now?
--
MrBitsy
Ray Keattch
Not one iota - what about the contents of the Bible?
--
MrBitsy
NM
There is no evidence, there is a vast amount of opinion and hearsay,
all that is just a mass delusion that people have bought into.
If there really is a god can you give me his phone number please? Of
course you can't, 'cause he's only exists between believers ears. It's
all totally makee uppee dangerous nonsense which is getting us fearful
of being blown from the skies and has been responsible for countless
deaths and torture throughout history.
NM
Have a look at Mr Darwins interesting book about evolution.
NM
Depends on how you define we, most UK dwellers don't believe in any
organised religeon, many pay lip service as I suspect they have
throughout recorded time.
NM
What about it? A collection of documents, some parts written 400 years
after the events described then re-written many times to suit
different variations of creed. It's purpose was to teach primitive
rural economies to survive and for use by a few to control the
majority. The Koran is similar, follow the rules and you won't poison
your family and will get on with your neighbours.
Brimstone
"NM" <nik.m...@mac.com> wrote in message
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Religion is the biggest single cause of avoidable death in the history of
mankind, The sooner people grow up and take responsibility for themselves
the better we will all be.
(Oh dear, I've just realised what I've done. I've agreed with NM!)
Adrian
they were saying:
>> If there really is a god can you give me his phone number please? Of
>> course you can't
He's ex-directory.
> Religion is the biggest single cause of avoidable death in the history
> of mankind, The sooner people grow up and take responsibility for
> themselves the better we will all be.
I think that falls into the "not quite" pile. _Religion_ itself is not to
blame. The idiots who use it as a convenient cloak for xenophobia,
racism, misogyny and just plain misanthropy - either committing acts
themselves or "merely" inciting the gullible to do their dirty work for
them. They're the ones who are to blame. Directly and personally.
> (Oh dear, I've just realised what I've done. I've agreed with NM!)
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day...
Bod
Nevertheless, when that clock is showing the correct time, it IS spot on.
Bod
Bod
Anyone who sincerely believes that a man once walked on water, needs to
seriously consider changing their drugs.
Bod
Adrian
saying:
> Anyone who sincerely believes that a man once walked on water, needs to
> seriously consider changing their drugs.
Bod
Hallelujah!!! I've seen the light!
I believe....I believe!!
Amen.
Have you Jesus's phone number please? I have loads of water that I want
turning into wine.
Bod
aaa
> aaa <x...@aol.com>:
> > I have yet to see any science even come close to explaining why we
> > are self aware.
>
> Science provides us with knowledge, not explanations.
It provides us with a mathematical or logical desciption of how certain
events occur, often linking complex observed behaviour with a simpler
more fundamental mechanism, which in common day speach is considered an
explaination.
As to why the simpler / more fundamental mechanism exists, we often
have to wait for more research, in order to peel back the onion once
again, to reveal another more fundamental underlying mechanism
As another poster has already stated, Darwins work on evolution
provides "explaination" for many observations, based on inherited
characteristics and natural selection. Later in the 1950s, DNA was
discovered, so the mechanism of inherited characteristics was explained.
aaa
There is evidence, from the size of gravity force acting on stars, for
a large mass of dark matter, which apart from gravity is invisible to
us.
> I have been alive now for almost 63 years. I have not seen one iota
> of evidence to support the notion of a 'god'. In fact, everything I
> have seen in this world suggests to me that there isn't a god.
What about self awarness, that seems a pretty deep mystery to me.
aaa
> Bod wrote:
> > Adrian wrote:
> >>"Brimstone" <brim...@hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much
> like
> > > they were saying:
> > >
> > > > > If there really is a god can you give me his phone number
> > > > > please? Of course you can't
> > >
> > > He's ex-directory.
> > >
> > > > Religion is the biggest single cause of avoidable death in the
> > > > history of mankind, The sooner people grow up and take
> > > > responsibility for themselves the better we will all be.
> > >
> > > I think that falls into the "not quite" pile. Religion itself is
> > > not to blame. The idiots who use it as a convenient cloak for
> > > xenophobia, racism, misogyny and just plain misanthropy - either
> > > committing acts themselves or "merely" inciting the gullible to
> > > do their dirty work for them. They're the ones who are to blame.
> > > Directly and personally.
> > >
> > > > (Oh dear, I've just realised what I've done. I've agreed with
> > > > NM!)
> > >
> > > Even a stopped clock is right twice a day...
> >
> > Nevertheless, when that clock is showing the correct time, it IS
> > spot on.
> >
> > Bod
>
> Anyone who sincerely believes that a man once walked on water, needs
> to seriously consider changing their drugs.
On wild life / nature documentaries on TV, I have seen a type of small
frog walk on water, by using the surface tension of water to support
its own weight.
Bod
Apparently, it is technically possible for a man to RUN on water, but to
do so, they would have to attain a speed of about 70mph ish.
Bod
Mike Barnes
>Mike Barnes wrote:
>
>> aaa <x...@aol.com>:
>> > I have yet to see any science even come close to explaining why we
>> > are self aware.
>>
>> Science provides us with knowledge, not explanations.
>
>It provides us with a mathematical or logical desciption of how certain
>events occur, often linking complex observed behaviour with a simpler
>more fundamental mechanism, which in common day speach is considered an
>explaination.
Science's role is only to provide the knowledge on which such
explanations are based. As you suggest, in common parlance that idea is
fudged to the extent that science is regarded as explaining how certain
things happen. But doesn't address *why* things happen, beyond saying
that they fit with previous observations. So it's unreasonable to expect
science to explain why we're self-aware.
--
Mike Barnes
NM
> aaa wrote:
> > Bod wrote:
>
> >> Bod wrote:
> >>> Adrian wrote:
An ordinary mortal can both walk and run on custard.
Bod
Ever tried it? :-)
Bod
Steve Firth
> An ordinary mortal can both walk and run on custard.
No, not really. Because custard is made from eggs, cream, vanilla and
sugar and no matter how you arrange those and no matter what proportions
you'll not be able to do what you say.
Even if one takes a leap of imagination and assumes that your only
experience of "custard" is the custard substitute created by Mr Bird
then you are wrong. Because to make "custard" one has to take the
ingredients mix them in the correct proportions and then cook them.
Which causes the chains of the starch to untangle and swell creating a
gel which is impossible to run or walk on.
No, to get it to work at all, one has to take corn starch (everything
else in "custard" is irrelevant) and mix it cold with water. The
proportion of starch to water is critical, about 2:1 is ideal.
Obviously one does not make custard in the proportions of twice as much
custard powder by weight as milk.
If you do mix corn starch to water in the proportion of 2:1 would create
a colloid, in this case a dilatant which has the characteristic of
flowing under gentle pressure but of resisting high pressures. Hence it
will pour, very slowly. But if hit with a hammer or stood on it will
will harden.
Anyway, whatever one chooses to call it, it still isn't custard.
Adrian
they were saying:
> Obviously one does not make custard in the proportions of twice as much
> custard powder by weight as milk.
You might not...
> Anyway, whatever one chooses to call it, it still isn't custard.
The lumps are the best bit, though. And the skin.
NM
> %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like
I hate the skin, you can have my share, there is a video around
showing someone walking acroos a pool full of the stuff sadly I don't
have a link to it, maybe someone else knows and can post the link.
Steve Firth
> I hate the skin, you can have my share, there is a video around
> showing someone walking acroos a pool full of the stuff
No, it wasn't custard.
> sadly I don't have a link to it, maybe someone else knows and can post the
> link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN2D5y-AxIY
Yes I know they keep saying custard. But until it's cooked it's just
water and custard powder mixed together.
Unless of course you're the sort of person who thinks that a packet of
flour and bucket of water is a pie.
Ret.
There is *no* historical evidence to prove the existence of a god - none at
all. Let me recommend a good book to you:
"Atheism, the case against God" by George H. Smith.
It is a superb book and, unlike some of Dawkins works, very easy to read.
If you can read through it and still have doubts about whether there is a
god or not I would be very surprised.
Kev
Ret.
> "Brimstone" <brim...@hotmail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying:
>
>>> If there really is a god can you give me his phone number please? Of
>>> course you can't
>
> He's ex-directory.
>
>> Religion is the biggest single cause of avoidable death in the
>> history of mankind, The sooner people grow up and take
>> responsibility for themselves the better we will all be.
>
> I think that falls into the "not quite" pile. _Religion_ itself is
> not to blame. The idiots who use it as a convenient cloak for
> xenophobia, racism, misogyny and just plain misanthropy - either
> committing acts themselves or "merely" inciting the gullible to do
> their dirty work for them. They're the ones who are to blame.
> Directly and personally.
Which really, Adrian, is a nonsense. 'Religion' is a concept and cannot, of
itself, do anything to anybody. It is the adherents of religious doctrine
who, you quite rightly point out, cause all the killings - but they are done
in the name of religion and therefore it is religion that is the ultimate
cause. Whether or not, without religion, the same people would find excuses
to similarly murder and mutilate each other is another issue of course...
Kev
Steve Firth
> It is a superb book and, unlike some of Dawkins works, very easy to read.
>
Yes, it must be terrible for you having to cope with Dawkins using long
words and conditional clauses.
Steve Firth
> Which really, Adrian, is a nonsense.
Ah, there's that good old in-depth analysis again. Kevin's opinion
masquerading as fact.
Mike
wrote:
>The Koran is similar, follow the rules and you won't poison
>your family and will get on with your neighbours.
You forgot about the war mongering, the killing, the oppression of
women, the hours a day wasted at prayer, the 72 virgins, the lack of
bacon sandwiches, the lack of alcohol, the child abuse, the violence,
the dubious sexual practices and the regular destruction of non
believers in your pretend person.
All religion is scum, but some are more elevated forms of scum than
others.
--
NM
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:35:03 -0800 (PST), NM <nik.mor...@mac.com>
Bacon sandwich, now theres a thought I'm feeling a bit peckish, I'll
slope off to make one as a goodnight snack, thank fuck I'm not a
Muslim or Jew.
Zimmy
"Ret." <xxx> wrote in message
> Bod wrote:
>> NM wrote:
>>> On 7 Jan, 12:07, Bod <bodro...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Zimmy wrote:
>>>>> "Ret." <xxx> wrote in message
>>>>> news:U82dnQiCV-O3ItjW...@pipex.net...
>>>>>> A pause wrote:
>>>>>>> Would you stop for a moment?!
>>>>>>> Haven't you thought-one day- about yourself ?
>>>>>>> Who has made it?
>>>>>>> Have you seen a design which hasn't a designer ?!
>>>>>>> Have you seen a wonderful,delicate work without a worker ?!
>>>>>>> It's you and the whole universe!..
>>>>>>> Who has made them all ?!!
>>>>>> Was it the same person who designed the Tsunami that killed many
>>>>>> many thousands of innocent people a couple of years ago?
>>>>> Not the same person but perhaps the same God. Does that mean He
>>>>> doesn't exist?
>>>>> Z
>>>> No one knows for sure.
>>>>
>>>> Bod
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I know what you're saying and my instinct is to agree with you ,that
>> God doesn't exist, but there is no conclusive evidence either way.
>
> But, for most sensible people, the general rule is that if there is no
> evidence that something exists - then it doesn't. There may well be fiery
> beings living inside the sun. There may be invisible fairies flitting
> around us at this very minute. There may well be an awful lot of things -
> but without one iota of evidence to support such things - anyone with an
> ounce of intelligence dismisses the notion.
>
> evidence to support the notion of a 'god'. In fact, everything I have seen
> in this world suggests to me that there isn't a god.
Depends on what your version of God is like. Maybe your idea of what God
should be does not exist.
Do you not believe there is a spiritual side to people? If not then how do
you explain good and evil? Without the ideas of good and evil and right and
wrong then nothing matters. Fortunately most people do believe in right and
wrong but why do they even care?
Z
Bod
difference between good and evil.
Bod
NM
Or any spiritual mumbo jumbo.
Zimmy
"NM" <nik.m...@mac.com> wrote in message
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If you think about it, good and evil is ultimately "spiritual mumbo jumbo".
Why is ok for a lion to kill another lion but not for a person to kill
another person? The lion is just following its instincts but the person
might be seen as evil.
Z
NM
> "NM" <nik.mor...@mac.com> wrote in message
It's all mumbo jumbo, the very concept of good or evil that is.
Mike
>"Ret." <xxx> wrote in message
>> I have been alive now for almost 63 years. I have not seen one iota of
>> evidence to support the notion of a 'god'. In fact, everything I have seen
>> in this world suggests to me that there isn't a god.
>
>Depends on what your version of God is like. Maybe your idea of what God
>should be does not exist.
>
>Do you not believe there is a spiritual side to people? If not then how do
>you explain good and evil?
Well the easiest thing to do is to assume that
Evil = religion - applies in almost every case, 99% of wars over
eons of time are to do with some fuckers pretend person.
When you have eliminated the vast majority of the problem then finding
'good' is a lot easier.
--