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Statto
Nov 1, 2011, 11:14:16 AM11/1/11
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Department for Transport statistics show the number of cyclists killed on the
UK's roads rose last year, from 104 in 2009 to 111 in 2010. Killed and
seriously injured (KSI) figures for the same period were also up, from 2,710 to
2,771.
..... the critical indicator figure of cyclist deaths per billion miles, the
most effective measurement of how safe cycling actually is rose too, from 33.5
to 35.7, suggesting that perhaps the UK's roads are becoming marginally less
safe for bike users.
Cyclists were the only major category of road users to suffer a yearly rise in
both fatalities and KSI figures.
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/cycling-deaths-and-injuries-up-32173
Nightjar
Nov 1, 2011, 11:43:03 AM11/1/11
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just two consecutive years. The report, which was first published on
June 30th, also shows that, compared to the average for the period
1994-1998, cyclist deaths have fallen by 40%, while the overall drop in
KSI was 26%. Over the same period, motorcyclists have shown the least
improvement (14% killed 20% KSI), while pedestrians have shown the
greatest drop in killed (60%).
Colin Bignell
Man at B&Q
Nov 1, 2011, 12:23:51 PM11/1/11
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On Nov 1, 3:43 pm, Nightjar <c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk> wrote:
> On 01/11/2011 15:14, Statto (JMS) wrote:
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> > Department for Transport statistics show the number of cyclists killed on the
> > UK's roads rose last year, from 104 in 2009 to 111 in 2010. Killed and
> > seriously injured (KSI) figures for the same period were also up, from 2,710 to
> > 2,771.
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> > ..... the critical indicator figure of cyclist deaths per billion miles, the
> > most effective measurement of how safe cycling actually is rose too, from 33.5
> > to 35.7, suggesting that perhaps the UK's roads are becoming marginally less
> > safe for bike users.
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> > Cyclists were the only major category of road users to suffer a yearly rise in
> > both fatalities and KSI figures.
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> >http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/cycling-deaths-and-injuries-up-...
> On 01/11/2011 15:14, Statto (JMS) wrote:
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> > Department for Transport statistics show the number of cyclists killed on the
> > UK's roads rose last year, from 104 in 2009 to 111 in 2010. Killed and
> > seriously injured (KSI) figures for the same period were also up, from 2,710 to
> > 2,771.
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> > ..... the critical indicator figure of cyclist deaths per billion miles, the
> > most effective measurement of how safe cycling actually is rose too, from 33.5
> > to 35.7, suggesting that perhaps the UK's roads are becoming marginally less
> > safe for bike users.
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> > Cyclists were the only major category of road users to suffer a yearly rise in
> > both fatalities and KSI figures.
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> It is rather pointless to try to project trends from the figures for
> just two consecutive years. The report, which was first published on
> June 30th, also shows that, compared to the average for the period
> 1994-1998, cyclist deaths have fallen by 40%, while the overall drop in
> KSI was 26%. Over the same period, motorcyclists have shown the least
> improvement (14% killed 20% KSI), while pedestrians have shown the
> greatest drop in killed (60%).
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> Colin Bignell
Don't confuse it with facts.
> It is rather pointless to try to project trends from the figures for
> just two consecutive years. The report, which was first published on
> June 30th, also shows that, compared to the average for the period
> 1994-1998, cyclist deaths have fallen by 40%, while the overall drop in
> KSI was 26%. Over the same period, motorcyclists have shown the least
> improvement (14% killed 20% KSI), while pedestrians have shown the
> greatest drop in killed (60%).
>
> Colin Bignell
MBQ
The Revd
Nov 1, 2011, 1:22:32 PM11/1/11
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 15:14:16 +0000, Statto (JMS) <m...@privacy.net>
wrote:
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>Department for Transport statistics show the number of cyclists killed on the
>UK's roads rose last year, from 104 in 2009 to 111 in 2010. Killed and
>seriously injured (KSI) figures for the same period were also up, from 2,710 to
>2,771.
Nowhere near enough.
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>Department for Transport statistics show the number of cyclists killed on the
>UK's roads rose last year, from 104 in 2009 to 111 in 2010. Killed and
>seriously injured (KSI) figures for the same period were also up, from 2,710 to
>2,771.
Statto
Nov 1, 2011, 1:37:53 PM11/1/11
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 15:43:03 +0000, Nightjar <c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk>
wrote:
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>It is rather pointless to try to project trends from the figures for
>just two consecutive years. The report, which was first published on
>June 30th, also shows that, compared to the average for the period
>1994-1998, cyclist deaths have fallen by 40%, while the overall drop in
>KSI was 26%. Over the same period, motorcyclists have shown the least
>improvement (14% killed 20% KSI), while pedestrians have shown the
>greatest drop in killed (60%).
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>Colin Bignell
There was no attempt to project trends - it was purely a comparison with the
previous year - and cycling deaths and injuries are up compared to last year
There have of course been major changes in road layouts, cycle facilities, the
numbers of people cycling to work, the use of helmets etc etc. over the last
seventeen years
Therefore the relevance of a comparison with seventeen years ago is neither
here nor there. It is a convenient benchmark for the DfT so that they can show
how things are improving.
The point being made is that there are more injuries and deaths for cyclists
compared to last year, Nothing more, nothing less.
wrote:
<snip>
>It is rather pointless to try to project trends from the figures for
>just two consecutive years. The report, which was first published on
>June 30th, also shows that, compared to the average for the period
>1994-1998, cyclist deaths have fallen by 40%, while the overall drop in
>KSI was 26%. Over the same period, motorcyclists have shown the least
>improvement (14% killed 20% KSI), while pedestrians have shown the
>greatest drop in killed (60%).
>
>Colin Bignell
previous year - and cycling deaths and injuries are up compared to last year
There have of course been major changes in road layouts, cycle facilities, the
numbers of people cycling to work, the use of helmets etc etc. over the last
seventeen years
Therefore the relevance of a comparison with seventeen years ago is neither
here nor there. It is a convenient benchmark for the DfT so that they can show
how things are improving.
The point being made is that there are more injuries and deaths for cyclists
compared to last year, Nothing more, nothing less.
Simon Mason
Nov 1, 2011, 5:00:52 PM11/1/11
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On Nov 1, 3:43 pm, Nightjar <c...@insert.my.surname.here.me.uk> wrote:
> It is rather pointless to try to project trends from the figures for
> just two consecutive years. The report, which was first published on
> June 30th, also shows that, compared to the average for the period
> 1994-1998, cyclist deaths have fallen by 40%, while the overall drop in
> KSI was 26%. Over the same period, motorcyclists have shown the least
> improvement (14% killed 20% KSI), while pedestrians have shown the
> greatest drop in killed (60%).
>
Looks pretty safe to me.
> just two consecutive years. The report, which was first published on
> June 30th, also shows that, compared to the average for the period
> 1994-1998, cyclist deaths have fallen by 40%, while the overall drop in
> KSI was 26%. Over the same period, motorcyclists have shown the least
> improvement (14% killed 20% KSI), while pedestrians have shown the
> greatest drop in killed (60%).
>
http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6035/009ob.jpg
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Simon Mason
Nightjar
Nov 1, 2011, 7:10:05 PM11/1/11
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Colin Bignell
Just zis Guy, you know?
Nov 1, 2011, 8:13:18 PM11/1/11
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anti-cyclist agenda is that it attacks you relentlessly until one of
the following occurs: you go away bored, or the heat death of the
universe intervenes.
There is no known way of getting JMS to amend its opinions in response
to facts, reason, sarcasm, satire, wit, intelligence, evidence,
rhetoric or anything else.
Just so you know. I'll enjoy watching your half of the exchange :-)
Guy
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Guy Chapman, http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
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to be worth at least what you paid for them.
PhilO
Nov 2, 2011, 9:31:14 AM11/2/11
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So Judith, does this mean I'm still less likely to die cycling a mile
instead of walking a mile?
Simon Mason
Nov 2, 2011, 3:26:32 PM11/2/11
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On Nov 2, 12:13 am, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
I do not want JMS to amend its opinion - I want it to waste its own
time responding to posts while I am on full pay.
I want to ruin its evenings and weekends while I just sit back and
laugh and get paid for yanking its chain.
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Simon Mason
time responding to posts while I am on full pay.
I want to ruin its evenings and weekends while I just sit back and
laugh and get paid for yanking its chain.
--
Simon Mason
Judith
Nov 2, 2011, 6:03:59 PM11/2/11
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 00:13:18 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<usen...@chapmancentral.co.uk> wrote:
<pig shit snipped>
>Just so you know. I'll enjoy watching your half of the exchange :-)
>
>Guy
Hello - it's the Porker.
Just popped in to stir things up a bit have you? Throw some shit up in the air
- see if any lands on you?
What was it Ian Smith has said about you?
===============================================================
He's making trouble.
He likes to wallow in shit, then raise an almighty protest that he's
covered in shit. It's terrible that all the shit sticks to him, when
all he does is lie down in it, roll around in it, throw it up in the
air and give it a good stir whenever an opportunity arises.
He does it all with an apparent cast-iron faith in his hard-done-by
innocence. Apparently, if you throw shit up in the air then stand
around looking aggrieved, it's someone else's fault if it lands on
you.
He'd feel picked on if he got stung after giving a wasps nest a good
prodding with a pointy stick. He'd then go and find another wasps
nest to prod just to prove how blameless he is.
I can only assume there's something wrong with him - some fundamental
inability to recognise cause and effect, maybe. Some disjoint where
he thinks that being annoying proves he is important. It's almost
indistinguishable from troll behaviour, but altogether more strange
mainly because it's his own doorstep he craps on, his own pool his
pisses in (proudly and publicly, before complaining about the turd
that's floating in the deep end).
=================================================================================
So, you're walking along a beach and you find a great tide of sewage
gushing from an open sewer pipe. It is patently obvious that you
can't stop the flow. Lots of people have tried and failed to stop the
flow by various means. You know this.
So what do you do?
I'll tell you what you - you, Guy - do, you stand in the flow and wave
your arms about, apparently with the sole aim of spraying over a wider
area. At least, that's the sole effect.
=================================================================================
What you do is like going to a public swimming
pool, crapping in it, then protest that it's pretty much your business
and no-one elses where you crap.
====================================================================================
--
"I have never said that I encourage my children to wear helmets. I would challenge judith
to find the place where I said I encourage my children to wear helmets." Guy Chapman
Judith then produced the web page where he said "I encourage my children to wear helmets."
Later that day Chapman immediately added the following to the web page:
"This page is out of date and preserved only for convenience" but he left the date last updated as 31/08/2004.
(Guy Chapman Dell Magnet)
<usen...@chapmancentral.co.uk> wrote:
<pig shit snipped>
>Just so you know. I'll enjoy watching your half of the exchange :-)
>
>Guy
Just popped in to stir things up a bit have you? Throw some shit up in the air
- see if any lands on you?
What was it Ian Smith has said about you?
===============================================================
He's making trouble.
He likes to wallow in shit, then raise an almighty protest that he's
covered in shit. It's terrible that all the shit sticks to him, when
all he does is lie down in it, roll around in it, throw it up in the
air and give it a good stir whenever an opportunity arises.
He does it all with an apparent cast-iron faith in his hard-done-by
innocence. Apparently, if you throw shit up in the air then stand
around looking aggrieved, it's someone else's fault if it lands on
you.
He'd feel picked on if he got stung after giving a wasps nest a good
prodding with a pointy stick. He'd then go and find another wasps
nest to prod just to prove how blameless he is.
I can only assume there's something wrong with him - some fundamental
inability to recognise cause and effect, maybe. Some disjoint where
he thinks that being annoying proves he is important. It's almost
indistinguishable from troll behaviour, but altogether more strange
mainly because it's his own doorstep he craps on, his own pool his
pisses in (proudly and publicly, before complaining about the turd
that's floating in the deep end).
=================================================================================
So, you're walking along a beach and you find a great tide of sewage
gushing from an open sewer pipe. It is patently obvious that you
can't stop the flow. Lots of people have tried and failed to stop the
flow by various means. You know this.
So what do you do?
I'll tell you what you - you, Guy - do, you stand in the flow and wave
your arms about, apparently with the sole aim of spraying over a wider
area. At least, that's the sole effect.
=================================================================================
What you do is like going to a public swimming
pool, crapping in it, then protest that it's pretty much your business
and no-one elses where you crap.
====================================================================================
--
"I have never said that I encourage my children to wear helmets. I would challenge judith
to find the place where I said I encourage my children to wear helmets." Guy Chapman
Judith then produced the web page where he said "I encourage my children to wear helmets."
Later that day Chapman immediately added the following to the web page:
"This page is out of date and preserved only for convenience" but he left the date last updated as 31/08/2004.
(Guy Chapman Dell Magnet)
Simon Mason
Nov 2, 2011, 6:04:07 PM11/2/11
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Simon Mason
Judith
Nov 2, 2011, 6:07:58 PM11/2/11
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:26:32 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason <swld...@gmail.com>
wrote:
<snip>
>I do not want JMS to amend its opinion - I want it to waste its own
>time responding to posts while I am on full pay.
>I want to ruin its evenings and weekends while I just sit back and
>laugh and get paid for yanking its chain.
You really shouldn't keep bragging about this posting whilst on full pay
(minimum wage) at BP's expense you know.
Is it true that a shareholder wrote to the HR department and complained about
you?
Have you got the date of the AGM yet?
wrote:
<snip>
>I do not want JMS to amend its opinion - I want it to waste its own
>time responding to posts while I am on full pay.
>I want to ruin its evenings and weekends while I just sit back and
>laugh and get paid for yanking its chain.
(minimum wage) at BP's expense you know.
Is it true that a shareholder wrote to the HR department and complained about
you?
Have you got the date of the AGM yet?
Judith
Nov 2, 2011, 6:09:37 PM11/2/11
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DfT latest: UK Per billion passenger kilometres
Killed : Pedestrian 26 Cyclist 21
KSI: Pedestrian 319 Cyclist 547
All: Pedestrian 1420 Cyclist 3444
Which is by far the most dangerous?
(Thanks to PhilO for the sig idea)
Judith
Nov 2, 2011, 6:42:20 PM11/2/11
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:04:07 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason <swld...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Looks like Simple's statistical knowledge is about as good as his other
scientific/mathematical understanding.
wrote:
scientific/mathematical understanding.
Peter Keller
Nov 2, 2011, 11:12:21 PM11/2/11
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:03:59 +0000, Judith wrote:
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> Hello - it's the Porker.
In a threat response called "pumpkin" or "pineapple posture", the Vampire
>
> Hello - it's the Porker.
Squid inverts its caped arms back over the body, presenting an ostensibly
larger form covered in fearsome-looking though harmless spines (called
cirri). The underside of the cape is heavily pigmented, masking most of
the body's photophores. The glowing arm tips are clustered together far
above the animal's head, diverting attack away from critical areas. If a
predator were to bite off an arm tip, the Vampire Squid can regenerate it.
> --
>
<snip>
--
An oft-repeated lie is still a lie.
Steve Firth
Nov 3, 2011, 9:11:43 AM11/3/11
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Peter Keller <muzh...@centrum.sk> wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:03:59 +0000, Judith wrote:
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>> Hello - it's the Porker.
>
> In a threat response called "pumpkin" or "pineapple posture", the Vampire
Fuck off Keller you brainless, drooling fuckwit.
> On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:03:59 +0000, Judith wrote:
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>> Hello - it's the Porker.
>
> In a threat response called "pumpkin" or "pineapple posture", the Vampire
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