Re: Out of interest
Adrian
saying:
> How many drivers in this group actually fit winter tyres?
<hand up>
> My hunch is......not many.
Now add in all those with 4wd, since (very performance-oriented 4wds
apart), they've almost certainly got winter-rated tyres on as normal.
Adrian
saying:
> I'm useless
Yes.
> simply because
Well, no, there's other reasons, but we'll leave them alone for the mo.
> I can manage in snow and ice without winter tyres?
You could probably "manage" in heavy rain on a set of bald teflon freds,
too.
Does that mean they're perfectly adequate, and there's no point in
improving your margin of safety?
Bod
that I do so few miles these days that it is not warranted for me.
Being retired, I have the luxury of not doing a journey if it's not
essential.
Bod
Bod
My hunch is......not many.
Bod
Bod
> Bod <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> We get constant advice from the tv weather reports, but not once
>> have I heard any presenter advocating winter tyres.
>> Why do you think that is?
>
> Because (a) TV presenters are not authorities on driving and (b) you
> don't pay attention.
>
>> If they are that beneficial, then you'd think if they were that
>> important, that they'd be mentioned.
>
> They have been mentioned on both TV and radio. Over and over again.
> Probably not on the sort of mind-bending drivel that you soak up on your
> couch. Radio 4 had quite a lenghy discussion at the start of the
> snowfall of the advantage of winter tyres.
>
> Blathering about your lack of observation and lack of clue doesn't mean
> that winter tyres are useless. It does mean that you are useless.
>
>
I'm useless simply because I can manage in snow and ice without winter
tyres?
Bod
Steve Firth
Bod
useless.
Bod
Steve Firth
> I'm useless
That was established years ago.
> simply because I can manage in snow and ice without winter
> tyres?
Are you learning impaired?
Bod
We get constant advice from the tv weather reports, but not once
have I heard any presenter advocating winter tyres.
Why do you think that is?
If they are that beneficial, then you'd think if they were that
important, that they'd be mentioned.
Bod
Conor
"Bod" <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7qivm2...@mid.individual.net...
> How many drivers in this group actually fit winter tyres?
>
>
> My hunch is......not many.
>
I've yet to find the need for them although that's not to say I don't
recognise the advantages as I've witnessed them first hand.
--
Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk
I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.
Chris Bartram
Chris Bartram
Dr Zoidberg
>
wheels to give them a go.
For most people there isn't enough of an obvious benefit to justify the
�3-400 outlay , though if you keep the car long enough you'll be saving wear
on the summer tyres which balances out a fair chunk of that cost
--
Alex
Bod
Or would that not be a good idea?
Bod
Adrian
saying:
> What about a compromise, just fit W/Tyres on the drive wheels?
> Or would that not be a good idea?
It's a fine idea. If you only want to go in straight lines.
Bod
else could...no?
Bod
Adrian
So long as there's not a bend half way up - or down - it.
And that's assuming fwd. RWD would be even more entertaining.
Bod
Bod
Ray Keattch
> Adrian wrote:
>> Bod <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
>> were
>> saying:
>>
>>> How many drivers in this group actually fit winter tyres?
>>
>> <hand up>
>>
>>> My hunch is......not many.
>>
>> Now add in all those with 4wd, since (very performance-oriented 4wds
>> apart), they've almost certainly got winter-rated tyres on as normal.
> >
> >
>
> We get constant advice from the tv weather reports, but not once have
> I heard any presenter advocating winter tyres.
Perhaps the weather men should tell us to wear thick socks, gloves and
start the day with porridge?
> Why do you think that is?
It is because they are ruddy weather forecasters.
> If they are that beneficial, then you'd think if they were that
> important, that they'd be mentioned.
Condoms are benificial, but they don't mention them.
--
MrBitsy
Adrian
Yup.
Mortimer
Lack of directional control can be overcome by driving slowly enough. But
lack of grip going up hill can't: if you happen to come to a halt on a hill
that's too steep, then (in my experience) even if you let the clutch up very
very gently you will spin the wheels.
Bod
either.
Bod
Ret.
And also the emergency services would fit them - and they don't. ( I suppose
they may in some rural areas, but I've never worked anywhere where they
fitted winter tyres).
Kev
Elder
> Lack of directional control can be overcome by driving slowly enough. But
> lack of grip going up hill can't: if you happen to come to a halt on a hill
> that's too steep, then (in my experience) even if you let the clutch up very
> very gently you will spin the wheels.
>
the flat at red lights.
--
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Derek Geldard
wrote:
Why no, AAMOF He teaches it as a foreign language at "A" level.
Derek
Steve Firth
> I'm not disputing the obvious benefit of winter tyres,
Yes you are.
What you are doing now is trying to dance away from your previous
dispute.
Stephen
> How many drivers in this group actually fit winter tyres?
>
>
> My hunch is......not many.
>
> Bod
I drive my know plough everywhere all year round... helps to get the bmws
out of the way ;-p
Bod
Sod yer silly winter tyres :-)
Bod
Stephen
hehe :) ... tommorow I might rty and get hold of a hovercraft like the chap
in farnboro' drove it to his local pub :) ... man after my own heart.
Bod
> "Bod" <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:7qk80j...@mid.individual.net...
>> Stephen wrote:
>>> "Bod" <bodr...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:7qivm2...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> How many drivers in this group actually fit winter tyres?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My hunch is......not many.
>>>>
>>>> Bod
>>> I drive my know plough everywhere all year round... helps to get the bmws
>>> out of the way ;-p
>> I'm thinking of fitting caterpillar tracks for the snow.
>> Sod yer silly winter tyres :-)
>>
>> Bod
>
> hehe :) ... tommorow I might rty and get hold of a hovercraft like the chap
> in farnboro' drove it to his local pub :) ... man after my own heart.
>
>
hovercraft when pissed?
Bod
Silk
> How many drivers in this group actually fit winter tyres?
No one with any sense, because we have better things to spend our time
and money on.
Ret.
I think, for most people, it has to be a case of a simple cost/benefit
analysis.
Look at it this way: There is a risk that any one of us on this thread
could be killed sometime in the future by a roof-tile sliding off a shop
roof when we are in town. Buying a crash helment, and wearing it whenever we
were in town would reduce that risk to zero - so why aren't we all rushing
out to buy crash helmets? The answer is obvious. Whilst there certainly
*is* a risk of being killed by a falling roof tile, that risk is
statistically insignificant and therefore, investing in a crash helmet to
protect yourself against an insignificant risk is unjustified.
So, moving onto winter tyres. The situation is somewhat more complicated
because the cost/benefit analysis must include personal circumstances
including the geographical area where you live and the type of motoring you
undertake. The factors will be entirely different for a retired person
living in Plymouth city centre and a farmer living in the Scottish
Highlands.
For me, it works out like this:
Is there a risk that sometime in the future I will be involved in an
accident, or become stranded, in winter conditions? Answer- yes, of course
there is such a risk. Will fitting winter tyres remove that risk? Answer -
no. Fitting winter tyres may well *reduce* that risk - but it certainly
would not remove it.
So how significant is the risk of me being involved in an accident or
becoming stranded due to winter conditions? I can call upon very nearly 47
years of driving experience (including 30 years of driving police panda cars
and traffic cars, all on summer tyres) to arrive at an answer. The fact is
that in that mass of driving experience I have never been involved in an
accident, nor become stranded due to using summer tyres in winter
conditions. The answer, for me, to the 'risk' question, therefore, is that
the risk is absolutely minimal.
If the risk is minimal, and fitting winter tyres is no guarantee that I will
not be involved in an accident nor prevented from becoming stuck, is the not
inconsiderable expense of purchasing a full set of four tyres and wheels
justified? The answer has to be a resounding 'NO'.
Kev
Douglas Payne
> How many drivers in this group actually fit winter tyres?
I don't know.
--
Douglas
Bod
> Bod wrote:
>> How many drivers in this group actually fit winter tyres?
>
> I don't know.
>
>
<bzzzt> wrong answer. :-)
Bod
Albert T Cone
Nope. I only have them on the front of the passat; I've had one
instance of the back-end letting go unexpectedly, but I was being a bit
of a tit then. Even on the 'closed' roads between the dales, not having
them on the back didn't cause any issues.
For the rest of the time I'm enjoying using the differential grip to
make the panzer wagon handle; something of a novelty.
All that said, if you are putting winters on primarily for the improved
braking, rather than for traction, then you really should have them on
all four corners, of course.