Water in petrol
Mark W
misfiring, coughing and running a little rough.
I drove home and as I parked it up, it was really running rough!
I think perhaps there was water in the petrol - I was on 1/4 tank and put in
30 litres.
I heard this isn't unknown with Tesco petrol - there was something on the
news a while ago but I can't find anything.
What is the 'usual' way to proceed? I might ring them tomorrow morning to
see if they've had any complaints, for example.
SteveH
Whatever is causing the rough running, it's highly unlikely to be the
petrol.
When I was responsible for a filling station, 100% of all complaints
were due to customers using the wrong fuel or it was just co-incidence
that their car started playing up when they filled it with fuel.
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Conor
says...
> When I was responsible for a filling station,
Petrol station attendant, shopkeep, back door staff at local
supermarket, area sales rep manager. Is there no end to this mans
talent?
--
Conor
The United States, increasing quality by lowering standards since 1776.
SteveH
> In article <1hskidi.1tgd5ao1w7hyecN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> says...
>
> > When I was responsible for a filling station,
>
> Petrol station attendant, shopkeep, back door staff at local
> supermarket, area sales rep manager. Is there no end to this mans
> talent?
All of which beat the hell out of sitting on your arse in a truck all
day.
Mark W
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1hskidi.1tgd5ao1w7hyecN%st...@italiancar.co.uk...
> "Mark W" <s@o> wrote:
>
>> I filled up tonight at a Tesco petrol station and since then my car
>> started
>> misfiring, coughing and running a little rough.
>>
>> I drove home and as I parked it up, it was really running rough!
>>
>> I think perhaps there was water in the petrol - I was on 1/4 tank and put
>> in
>> 30 litres.
>>
>> I heard this isn't unknown with Tesco petrol - there was something on the
>> news a while ago but I can't find anything.
>>
>> What is the 'usual' way to proceed? I might ring them tomorrow morning to
>> see if they've had any complaints, for example.
>
> Whatever is causing the rough running, it's highly unlikely to be the
> petrol.
>
> When I was responsible for a filling station, 100% of all complaints
> were due to customers using the wrong fuel or it was just co-incidence
> that their car started playing up when they filled it with fuel.
> --
> SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
Well... you aren't responsible for *this* filling station so perhaps it
isn't coincidence.
SteveH
> "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1hskidi.1tgd5ao1w7hyecN%st...@italiancar.co.uk...
> > "Mark W" <s@o> wrote:
> >
> >> I filled up tonight at a Tesco petrol station and since then my car
> >> started
> >> misfiring, coughing and running a little rough.
> >>
> >> I drove home and as I parked it up, it was really running rough!
> >>
> >> I think perhaps there was water in the petrol - I was on 1/4 tank and put
> >> in
> >> 30 litres.
> >>
> >> I heard this isn't unknown with Tesco petrol - there was something on the
> >> news a while ago but I can't find anything.
> >>
> >> What is the 'usual' way to proceed? I might ring them tomorrow morning to
> >> see if they've had any complaints, for example.
> >
> > Whatever is causing the rough running, it's highly unlikely to be the
> > petrol.
> >
> > When I was responsible for a filling station, 100% of all complaints
> > were due to customers using the wrong fuel or it was just co-incidence
> > that their car started playing up when they filled it with fuel.
> Well... you aren't responsible for *this* filling station so perhaps it
> isn't coincidence.
Good luck.
I can guarantee it's not the fuel, or there would be a whole load of
cars broken down by the side of the road near the filling station.
I've lost count of the number of people who came to me shouting that our
pumps were at fault, only to produce CCTV evidence of them putting
unleaded in a diesel or the other way round.
--
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
OG
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1hskidi.1tgd5ao1w7hyecN%st...@italiancar.co.uk...
>
>> I filled up tonight at a Tesco petrol station and since then my car
>> started
>> misfiring, coughing and running a little rough.
>>
>> I drove home and as I parked it up, it was really running rough!
>>
>> I think perhaps there was water in the petrol - I was on 1/4 tank and put
>> in
>> 30 litres.
>>
>> I heard this isn't unknown with Tesco petrol - there was something on the
>> news a while ago but I can't find anything.
>>
>> What is the 'usual' way to proceed? I might ring them tomorrow morning to
>> see if they've had any complaints, for example.
>
> Whatever is causing the rough running, it's highly unlikely to be the
> petrol.
>
> When I was responsible for a filling station, 100% of all complaints
> were due to customers using the wrong fuel or it was just co-incidence
> that their car started playing up when they filled it with fuel.
> --
Sez who?
Douglas Payne
Did you ever have a problem with people filling their car's fuel tank up
with the water pump and complaining?
--
Douglas
Adrian
were saying :
> I can guarantee it's not the fuel, or there would be a whole load of
> cars broken down by the side of the road near the filling station.
*DING*
Regardless of any of the other side-issues, that has GOT to be the
clincher...
I put 80 litres of JS' finest undeaded in the XM tonight. Whilst I was
standing there, freezing my arse off, none of the other 11 pumps was empty
for more than a brief moment.
SteveH
> > When I was responsible for a filling station, 100% of all complaints
> > were due to customers using the wrong fuel or it was just co-incidence
> > that their car started playing up when they filled it with fuel.
> > --
>
> Sez who?
Says someone who dealt with several complaints a week that there was
something wrong with our fuel.
Funny how a handful of people had a problem with it, when tens of
thousands had found it to be absolutely fine.
SteveH
> > I've lost count of the number of people who came to me shouting that our
> > pumps were at fault, only to produce CCTV evidence of them putting
> > unleaded in a diesel or the other way round.
>
> Did you ever have a problem with people filling their car's fuel tank up
> with the water pump and complaining?
*snort*
You silly cunt.
Dr Zoidberg
If it has a low level of contamination you'd get exactly the sort of
problems he describes
> I've lost count of the number of people who came to me shouting that
> our pumps were at fault, only to produce CCTV evidence of them putting
> unleaded in a diesel or the other way round.
It's fairly obvious that he hasn't done this or he wouldn't have a car
running a bit badly , he'd have a stationary object.
--
Alex
"I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away"
www.drzoidberg.co.uk www.ebayfaq.co.uk
Adrian
>> I can guarantee it's not the fuel, or there would be a whole load of
>> cars broken down by the side of the road near the filling station.
> If it has a low level of contamination you'd get exactly the sort of
> problems he describes
...across a whole LOAD of cars just up the road from the filling station...
Silk
That's being a bit optimistic, hoping it'll run long enough to use 80
litres.
Adrian
saying :
>> I put 80 litres of JS' finest undeaded in the XM tonight. Whilst I
>> was standing there, freezing my arse off, none of the other 11 pumps
>> was empty for more than a brief moment.
> That's being a bit optimistic, hoping it'll run long enough to use 80
> litres.
Why? At 140k, it's still 30k short of where I sold the CX.
I still miss that car...
Conor
says...
> Conor <conor....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1hskidi.1tgd5ao1w7hyecN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> > says...
> >
> > > When I was responsible for a filling station,
> >
> > Petrol station attendant, shopkeep, back door staff at local
> > supermarket, area sales rep manager. Is there no end to this mans
> > talent?
>
> All of which beat the hell out of sitting on your arse in a truck all
> day.
>
McJobs.
Conor
SteveH
> In article <1hskinc.65tlgm1ubxd4oN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> says...
> > Conor <conor....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <1hskidi.1tgd5ao1w7hyecN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> > > says...
> > >
> > > > When I was responsible for a filling station,
> > >
> > > Petrol station attendant, shopkeep, back door staff at local
> > > supermarket, area sales rep manager. Is there no end to this mans
> > > talent?
> >
> > All of which beat the hell out of sitting on your arse in a truck all
> > day.
> >
> At least my job history isn't one long list of dead end no skill
> McJobs.
Hang on a minute.
I appear to be the one with a career, whilst you appear to be a truck
driver.
Now, unless I have completely misunderstood what 'driving a truck'
entails, that would appear to be the unskilled, dead-end job.
Mind you, you couldn't do any of the jobs I've had in the past, because
not only do they need social skills, but someone with your anger
management issues would be sacked before the probationary period was
out.
Adrian
were saying :
>> > I put 80 litres of JS' finest undeaded in the XM tonight. Whilst I
>> > was standing there, freezing my arse off, none of the other 11
>> > pumps was empty for more than a brief moment.
>> That's being a bit optimistic, hoping it'll run long enough to use 80
>> litres.
> An XM? It'll use that before it's left the forecourt.
I've seen north of 40mpg from it on a couple of occasions... petrol turbo
auto...
Mark W
>
> Good luck.
>
> I can guarantee it's not the fuel, or there would be a whole load of
> cars broken down by the side of the road near the filling station.
>
Mine didn't break down by the side of the road.
ThePunisher
news:Xns98C4ED3E4203Cad...@204.153.244.170
Lol!!
--
ThePunisher
OG
> OG <ow...@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> > When I was responsible for a filling station, 100% of all complaints
>> > were due to customers using the wrong fuel or it was just co-incidence
>> > that their car started playing up when they filled it with fuel.
>> > --
>>
>> Sez who?
>
> Says someone who dealt with several complaints a week that there was
> something wrong with our fuel.
>
> Funny how a handful of people had a problem with it, when tens of
> thousands had found it to be absolutely fine.
OK - I can see where you are coming from. - you ignore people who 'do'
complain
because lots of people 'don't' complain. Yup, that is a good approach,
yeah. Hmmm, good.
A good approach - Yup!
Fine, yup - are you imvolved with any businesses now ? Just so I know,
yup, you know?
OG
> OG <ow...@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> > When I was responsible for a filling station, 100% of all complaints
>> > were due to customers using the wrong fuel or it was just co-incidence
>> > that their car started playing up when they filled it with fuel.
>> > --
>>
>> Sez who?
>
> Says someone who dealt with several complaints a week that there was
> something wrong with our fuel.
>
> Funny how a handful of people had a problem with it, when tens of
> thousands had found it to be absolutely fine.
> --
You really had 'tens of thousands'of customers EACH WEEK ?
Niall Wallace
Many people don't notice their car is running shit due to crap petrol becase
either the engine management system is hiding it or they just don't know
what its meant to run like.
The numer of people who i know who normally fill up with tescos petrol then
once out of necessity put somethign a bit more expensive in and suddenly
start telling me how much smoother adn quieter their car is running.
Not to mention the last time i put tescos petrol in, struggling up
Drumochter in 3rd gear when im usually flying in 4th. Thoguh I get a similar
resutl from using BP Ultimate.....
Niall
Dr Zoidberg
How steep a hill were you rolling down?
Adrian
>>>>> I put 80 litres of JS' finest undeaded in the XM tonight. Whilst I
>>>>> was standing there, freezing my arse off, none of the other 11
>>>>> pumps was empty for more than a brief moment.
>>>> That's being a bit optimistic, hoping it'll run long enough to use
>>>> 80 litres.
>>> An XM? It'll use that before it's left the forecourt.
>> I've seen north of 40mpg from it on a couple of occasions... petrol
>> turbo auto...
> How steep a hill were you rolling down?
<grin>
Long motorway run, in convoy with a couple of 2cvs, using 2cv levels of top
speed and acceleration...
I don't normally get anywhere *close*, 'tis true.
Adrian
were saying :
>> Funny how a handful of people had a problem with it, when tens of
>> thousands had found it to be absolutely fine.
> You really had 'tens of thousands'of customers EACH WEEK ?
Let's take that for the supermarket filling station I used yesterday. 12
pumps.
10,500 customers per week = 1,500 per day = 125 per pump per day = just
over five per pump per hour.
Utterly believable.
Silk
> Long motorway run, in convoy with a couple of 2cvs, using 2cv levels of top
> speed and acceleration...
>
That must've been a struggle.
Mark W
What, 24 hours a day, every day?
Plus, 10500 isn't tens of thousands. It's 'a' ten of thousands.
SteveH
> >> You really had 'tens of thousands'of customers EACH WEEK ?
> >
> > Let's take that for the supermarket filling station I used yesterday. 12
> > pumps.
> >
> > 10,500 customers per week = 1,500 per day = 125 per pump per day = just
> > over five per pump per hour.
> >
> > Utterly believable.
>
>
> What, 24 hours a day, every day?
>
> Plus, 10500 isn't tens of thousands. It's 'a' ten of thousands.
Don't underestimate how many people use a filling station - it's not
unknown for a large supermarket filling station to be taking on excess
of £0.5m a week.
Adrian
>>>> Funny how a handful of people had a problem with it, when tens of
>>>> thousands had found it to be absolutely fine.
>>> You really had 'tens of thousands'of customers EACH WEEK ?
>> Let's take that for the supermarket filling station I used yesterday. 12
>> pumps.
>>
>> 10,500 customers per week = 1,500 per day = 125 per pump per day = just
>> over five per pump per hour.
>>
>> Utterly believable.
> What, 24 hours a day, every day?
Yes, averaged out.
> Plus, 10500 isn't tens of thousands. It's 'a' ten of thousands.
Indeed. So ten people per pump per hour. Or five with twice the number of
pupmps.
conke...@yahoo.com
> The numer of people who i know who normally fill up with tescos petrol then
> once out of necessity put somethign a bit more expensive in and suddenly
> start telling me how much smoother adn quieter their car is running.
>
> Not to mention the last time i put tescos petrol in, struggling up
> Drumochter in 3rd gear when im usually flying in 4th. Thoguh I get a similar
> resutl from using BP Ultimate.....
Most Tesco petrol is just Esso.
Conor
Adrian says...
Conor
says...
> > At least my job history isn't one long list of dead end no skill
> > McJobs.
>
> Hang on a minute.
>
> I appear to be the one with a career, whilst you appear to be a truck
> driver.
>
I own my own company and pay peoples wages. You merely work for others.
A person who works on a production line sticking cherries on cakes
could be said to have a career as there's a promotion path available.
> Now, unless I have completely misunderstood what 'driving a truck'
> entails, that would appear to be the unskilled, dead-end job.
>
In your opinion, yes. However, everything prior to truck driving and
also adjacent to truck driving (remembering that I don't just do truck
driving alone for a living) is several levels higher than you.
The types of job your "career" has consisted of, I did as a schoolkid
during summer holidays.
> Mind you, you couldn't do any of the jobs I've had in the past, because
> not only do they need social skills, but someone with your anger
> management issues would be sacked before the probationary period was
> out.
>
If I had no social skills, I certainly couldn't have my own businesses
could I?
Conor
One tanker a day - 25000 litres of fuel. Average fill - 20 litres. 1250
customers a day.
Conor
says...
SteveH
> The types of job your "career" has consisted of, I did as a schoolkid
> during summer holidays.
Of course, you regularly ran million pound a week stores whilst on your
school holidays, didn't you?
Do you actually know anything that goes on outside of the cab of your
truck, or do you make it up as you go along?
pppeterrr
"Conor" <conor....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2025818ad...@news.karoo.co.uk...
> In article <1hsklkz.vxrilfnxl1jnN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> If I had no social skills, I certainly couldn't have my own businesses
> could I?
Anybody with even a basic level of social skills probably wouldn't spend
half their life on uk.rec.driving.
They'd be on uk.rec.cycling...
heh-heh-heh
Peter
pppeterrr
> In article <1169909735.1...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> says...
>> On 27 Jan, 01:30, "Niall Wallace" <bigbadwolfie...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
> Depends what the feeding refinery is. Around here it's Conoco or
"Jet".
I can almost remember their funny faces
That time you told 'em that you were going to be marrying soon
Peter
Knight Of The Road
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
> Don't underestimate how many people use a filling station - it's not
> unknown for a large supermarket filling station to be taking on excess
> of £0.5m a week.
600,000 litres of fuel a week, that's impressive. How does the fuel get to
the filling station, by train perhaps?
--
Regards, Vince.
SteveH
Have you thought this one through, or just jumped in with the usual 'it
won't work' response.
If we were in a position where there were no HGVs on the road to deliver
the petrol, it would be because *there was no petrol left*.
HTH.
Knight Of The Road
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
> If we were in a position where there were no HGVs on the road to deliver
> the petrol, it would be because *there was no petrol left*.
So what you are saying is that for as long as petrol needs to be delivered
to filling stations, we will need HGVs do do it.
Unless of course you mean that you are under the impression that HGVs run on
petrol?
--
Regards, Vince.
SteveH
> "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
>
> > If we were in a position where there were no HGVs on the road to deliver
> > the petrol, it would be because *there was no petrol left*.
>
>
> So what you are saying is that for as long as petrol needs to be delivered
> to filling stations, we will need HGVs do do it.
With current infrastructure, this would appear to be the case.
Doesn't mean to say that it would have to be the case, though. It just
suits at the moment to use cheap labour to deliver - truck drivers get
paid roughly half what a train driver gets paid.
> Unless of course you mean that you are under the impression that HGVs run on
> petrol?
Petrol is interchanageable with diesel in this case.
Knight Of The Road
> Doesn't mean to say that it would have to be the case, though. It just
> suits at the moment to use cheap labour to deliver - truck drivers get
> paid roughly half what a train driver gets paid.
A train driver earns, on average, around £33,000 p.a which is the same, or
slightly less, than a petrol tanker driver will be earning.
In any event, petrol stations would be supplied by pipeline rather than by
train if HGVs were discontinued as the source of delivery.
--
Regards, Vince.
SteveH
> "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
>
> > Doesn't mean to say that it would have to be the case, though. It just
> > suits at the moment to use cheap labour to deliver - truck drivers get
> > paid roughly half what a train driver gets paid.
>
>
> A train driver earns, on average, around £33,000 p.a which is the same, or
> slightly less, than a petrol tanker driver will be earning.
Now look at the number of hours worked to earn that.
OK, maybe it's not half, but the train driver works around 35 hours /
week to earn that money.
> In any event, petrol stations would be supplied by pipeline rather than by
> train if HGVs were discontinued as the source of delivery.
There we go. You've nicely found us a solution - we can get rid of
tankers and replace them with pipes.
Job jobbed.
Knight Of The Road
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
> Now look at the number of hours worked to earn that.
>
> OK, maybe it's not half, but the train driver works around 35 hours /
> week to earn that money.
Right. So train drivers are *more* expensive than HGV drivers? Do you think
you could make your mind up?
>
>
> There we go. You've nicely found us a solution - we can get rid of
> tankers and replace them with pipes.
Oh, that's not an original thought- airports are supplied by pipeline
(Buncefield supplied Heathrow, for example). Hell, we could pump baked beans
into supermarkets if we wanted. But for the common or garden filling
station, it would be prohibitively expensive to set up a pipeline
infrastructure to deliver their fuel..
What you don't seem to understand is that HGVs are not the main means of
fulfilling the supply chain's requirements because Conor and myself want it
that way.
They are the main means of fulfilling the supply chain's requirements
because that's what *you*, the consumer, demands. By all means lobby for
fuel to be supplied by pipeline and make it clear that you would be happy to
pay (say) £3 per litre for petrol to achieve this- just don't expect too
much support from the general public.
--
Regards, Vince.
Conor
says...
> Conor <conor....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The types of job your "career" has consisted of, I did as a schoolkid
> > during summer holidays.
>
> Of course, you regularly ran million pound a week stores whilst on your
> school holidays, didn't you?
As you yourself have said, store managers are thick and it's your
current level of management that does all the thinking.
I worked in shops which you admitted is what you've done until this job
you've just started.
>
> Do you actually know anything that goes on outside of the cab of your
> truck, or do you make it up as you go along?
>
Plenty. At least I've had a range of jobs. All yours seem to be is an
endless string of no qualifications required shop work.
Conor
Conor
says...
> Knight Of The Road <russiat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
> >
> > > Doesn't mean to say that it would have to be the case, though. It just
> > > suits at the moment to use cheap labour to deliver - truck drivers get
> > > paid roughly half what a train driver gets paid.
> >
> >
> > A train driver earns, on average, around £33,000 p.a which is the same, or
> > slightly less, than a petrol tanker driver will be earning.
>
> Now look at the number of hours worked to earn that.
>
> OK, maybe it's not half, but the train driver works around 35 hours /
> week to earn that money.
>
And according to ASLEF, train drivers were being forced to work more
than 50hrs a week.
SteveH
> "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
>
> > Now look at the number of hours worked to earn that.
> >
> > OK, maybe it's not half, but the train driver works around 35 hours /
> > week to earn that money.
>
>
> Right. So train drivers are *more* expensive than HGV drivers? Do you think
> you could make your mind up?
Eh?
Can you read? - or should we get someone to spell it out for you.
Which part of 'a truck driver gets paid half what a train driver gets
paid' did you struggle with?
Train drivers are on circa £34k for a 35 hour week.
How many hours does an HGV driver have to work to earn that?
50+, as I recall.
> > There we go. You've nicely found us a solution - we can get rid of
> > tankers and replace them with pipes.
>
>
> Oh, that's not an original thought- airports are supplied by pipeline
> (Buncefield supplied Heathrow, for example). Hell, we could pump baked beans
> into supermarkets if we wanted. But for the common or garden filling
> station, it would be prohibitively expensive to set up a pipeline
> infrastructure to deliver their fuel..
Think beyond the cab.
More centralisation of fuel supply would solve a lot of issues.
My village could have a single filling station built next to the railway
line for example.
Then it wouldn't need so many tanker deliveries per week as Tesco do -
'cos one train could supply several weeks worth of fuel.
> What you don't seem to understand is that HGVs are not the main means of
> fulfilling the supply chain's requirements because Conor and myself want it
> that way.
>
> They are the main means of fulfilling the supply chain's requirements
> because that's what *you*, the consumer, demands. By all means lobby for
> fuel to be supplied by pipeline and make it clear that you would be happy to
> pay (say) £3 per litre for petrol to achieve this- just don't expect too
> much support from the general public.
They are currently the chosen method of transport. It doesn't mean that
we all owe you something, as is often claimed on here.
It's just that you're cheap, disposable labour that currently suits the
needs of the consumer.
SteveH
> In article <1hslvhh.ebepyin5khdeN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> says...
> > Conor <conor....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The types of job your "career" has consisted of, I did as a schoolkid
> > > during summer holidays.
> >
> > Of course, you regularly ran million pound a week stores whilst on your
> > school holidays, didn't you?
>
> As you yourself have said, store managers are thick and it's your
> current level of management that does all the thinking.
No, I never claimed that. I claimed that some of us have greater
capacity than running a single site. Not that all the single site
managers are shit - but they do need guidance from someone with more
skills and experience at times.
> I worked in shops which you admitted is what you've done until this job
> you've just started.
Not just worked, Conor. Any fool can do that. 'Managed'. There's a whole
world of difference.
> > Do you actually know anything that goes on outside of the cab of your
> > truck, or do you make it up as you go along?
> >
> Plenty. At least I've had a range of jobs. All yours seem to be is an
> endless string of no qualifications required shop work.
Which is why most chains prefer degree level education for new managers
these days.
I'm not saying it's a compulsory requirement, but it's certainly
favoured.
If you're so well qualified, why do you still work in an industry where
you have to work nearly 20 hours a week more than me to get into the
same playing field with regards to income?
SteveH
> > OK, maybe it's not half, but the train driver works around 35 hours /
> > week to earn that money.
> >
> Lorry drivers work no more than 48hrs average.
>
> And according to ASLEF, train drivers were being forced to work more
> than 50hrs a week.
Averages are great. You can make them show what you want them to show.
I know this because I was heavily involved in the roll-out of the
working time directive in retail. It's very easy to take a couple of
standard weeks every couple of months to compensate for working 50+
hours regularly.
If train drivers are working more than 50 hours, just think how much
they're earning, when the basic is £34k for 35 hours.
conke...@yahoo.com
> Not just worked, Conor. Any fool can do that. 'Managed'. There's a whole world of difference.
Mate, I don't mean to piss on your chips, but you should be careful
about making delineations like that. A friend of mine managed three
very busy Esso sites for 4 years. He studied for a law degree at the
same time (he's now a lawyer). I asked him if he found it difficult to
juggle the two. "No, not really. It got a bit testing when I renovated
the house though".
I don't think anyone can make direct comparisons between different
jobs without knowing absolutely what's involved with each. Apparently
people tend to end up bickering about unknown differences.
Knight Of The Road
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
> My village could have a single filling station built next to the railway
> line for example.
Milton Keynes is a village?
--
Regards, Vince.
SteveH
> On 27 Jan, 20:14, s...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>
> > Not just worked, Conor. Any fool can do that. 'Managed'. There's a whole
> > world of difference.
>
> Mate, I don't mean to piss on your chips, but you should be careful
> about making delineations like that. A friend of mine managed three
> very busy Esso sites for 4 years. He studied for a law degree at the
> same time (he's now a lawyer). I asked him if he found it difficult to
> juggle the two. "No, not really. It got a bit testing when I renovated
> the house though".
Frankly that sounds like bollocks.
I don't know of anyone in the industry that would hire someone part time
to 'manage' 3 sites for them.
There's a lot more detail in there that you're not telling us, or you
don't know yourself.
Besides which, a supermarket, for example, pays a relatively low rate
for a filling station supervisor - the filling station comes within the
remit of one of the assistant managers, though.
> I don't think anyone can make direct comparisons between different
> jobs without knowing absolutely what's involved with each. Apparently
> people tend to end up bickering about unknown differences.
Well, you don't have to be Mastermind to drive a truck, but it's often
claimed by drivers that it's a lot more than that. I'd be intrigued to
know what other stuff is involved that means any uneducated ape with an
HGV licence couldn't do it.
SteveH
> "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
>
>
> > My village could have a single filling station built next to the railway
> > line for example.
>
>
> Milton Keynes is a village?
Well it was, but it wasn't when I lived there.
Not the use of the word *when*.
conke...@yahoo.com
> Frankly that sounds like bollocks. I don't know of anyone in the industry that would hire someone part time
> to 'manage' 3 sites for them.
He worked full-time, studied part-time.
> There's a lot more detail in there that you're not telling us, or you
> don't know yourself.
Nope, that's all there is to it.
> Besides which, a supermarket, for example, pays a relatively low rate for a filling station supervisor - the filling station comes within the remit of one of the assistant managers, though.
Is that your line of management? I know nothing of the way
supermarkets are run. My friend was a site manager for Esso.
SteveH
> On 27 Jan, 20:34, s...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:
>
> > Frankly that sounds like bollocks. I don't know of anyone in the
> > industry that would hire someone part time to 'manage' 3 sites for them.
>
> He worked full-time, studied part-time.
Right, that makes sense.
Same as any other job, though - if you know what kind of hours you're
putting in, then it's possible to study for anything you like.
> > There's a lot more detail in there that you're not telling us, or you
> > don't know yourself.
>
> Nope, that's all there is to it.
See above.
I'd made the assumption that the law degree was a full-time university
course, but it appears that it wasn't.
> > Besides which, a supermarket, for example, pays a relatively low rate
> > for a filling station supervisor - the filling station comes within the
> > remit of one of the assistant managers, though.
>
> Is that your line of management? I know nothing of the way
> supermarkets are run. My friend was a site manager for Esso.
Yes, that's my line. But it shows how little responsibility there is
involved in running a filling station site - they may take lots of money
per week, but the acutal management side is very easy - I used to spend
a couple of hours a week in the one I had, plus popping in for a quick
check on things once a day at the start of my shifts.
The main store responsibilities were a right PITA, which is why I got
out into area management.
SteveH
> >Whatever is causing the rough running, it's highly unlikely to be the
> >petrol.
>
> Chap on pistonheads filled up with some ultimate type petrol and the
> car seized just down the road. Garage diagnosed water in fuel and the
> station manager agreed and paid up (or their insurance).
I assume they also paid out for hundreds of other cars at the same time?
If it affected one, it would have affected many hundreds more.....
Knight Of The Road
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
> Frankly that sounds like bollocks.
Well, like they say, a liar never believes a word anyone else ever says.
--
Regards, Vince.
Knight Of The Road
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
> Well, you don't have to be Mastermind to drive a truck, but it's often
> claimed by drivers that it's a lot more than that. I'd be intrigued to
> know what other stuff is involved that means any uneducated ape with an
> HGV licence couldn't do it.
I tell you what- drive to Siberia and back in mid-winter and then come and
tell me about it.
--
Regards, Vince.
Brimstone
> "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
>
>> Frankly that sounds like bollocks.
>
>
> Well, like they say, a liar never believes a word anyone else ever
> says.
Congratulations, that's the first honest thing you've said about yourself
SteveH
> "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
>
> > Frankly that sounds like bollocks.
>
>
> Well, like they say, a liar never believes a word anyone else ever says.
Or perhaps, just maybe, I know the industry and hadn't realised that the
degree was being studied for outside of full-time working hours.
SteveH
Why would I do that?
That would mean driving a truck, which is a bit shit anyway, in the
winter, which means it's even more shit with snow and stuff on the
roads, and sleeping in a cab, which is even more shit when it's winter.
To top it all off, I'd be earning an hourly rate significantly lower
than the one I earn at the moment.
Bit of a non-starter, then.
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to the need for an education in such
circumstances, though - I mean, even you managed it.......
Knight Of The Road
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
> To top it all off, I'd be earning an hourly rate significantly lower
> than the one I earn at the moment.
Hourly rate? Let's have a willy-waving contest then.
My standing instructions were to book fuel at £33 per 100 litres. My belly
tank took 2000 litres and my tractor unit took 500 litres. The profit was
mine.
Fuel cost around £11 per 100 litres.
So I would make £22 per 100 litres, tax-free, on 2,500 litres, and it would
take me about 45 minutes to fuel up..
I make that about £725 an hour.
>
> Perhaps you can enlighten us as to the need for an education in such
> circumstances, though - I mean, even you managed it.......
I have a degree in English Literature. Next?
--
Regards, Vince.
conke...@yahoo.com
> The main store responsibilities were a right PITA, which is why I got out into area management.
That's the reason my mate left - they wanted him to be an area
manager; too much work according to him, so he became a lawyer! (I can
see his point really. It's like a bomb-proof pension).
SteveH
> "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
>
>
> > To top it all off, I'd be earning an hourly rate significantly lower
> > than the one I earn at the moment.
> Hourly rate? Let's have a willy-waving contest then.
>
> My standing instructions were to book fuel at £33 per 100 litres. My belly
> tank took 2000 litres and my tractor unit took 500 litres. The profit was
> mine.
>
> Fuel cost around £11 per 100 litres.
>
> So I would make £22 per 100 litres, tax-free, on 2,500 litres, and it would
> take me about 45 minutes to fuel up..
>
> I make that about £725 an hour.
Erm, you're confusing 'expenses' with salary.
> > Perhaps you can enlighten us as to the need for an education in such
> > circumstances, though - I mean, even you managed it.......
> I have a degree in English Literature. Next?
Well, you can claim it all you like. Doesn't mean that it's either true
or that anyone will believe you.
SteveH
I've just taken on an extra stack of stores as from Monday.... I might
have to do a full week of work next week ;-)
Knight Of The Road
> Well, you can claim it all you like. Doesn't mean that it's either true
> or that anyone will believe you.
Well, we can discuss "The Color Purple", or "Mrs Dalloway" or Jane Eyre", or
"The Rover" or any other of the books I read, here, in real time, for as
long as you want.
That is, if you have progressed beyond reading "Dear Deirdre" in The Sun.
--
Regards, Vince.
SteveH
> "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
>
>
> > Well, you can claim it all you like. Doesn't mean that it's either true
> > or that anyone will believe you.
>
>
> Well, we can discuss "The Color Purple", or "Mrs Dalloway" or Jane Eyre", or
> "The Rover" or any other of the books I read, here, in real time, for as
> long as you want.
Long nights in the cab, were they?
You still haven't answered my question, though.
What is it, in particular, about driving to Russia, that requires any
advanced level of education?
Mind you, you may well be living proof of how useless most arts degrees
are.
Knight Of The Road
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
> Long nights in the cab, were they?
No- Mrs Thatcher was Prime Minister at the time, so I wasn't working.
>
> What is it, in particular, about driving to Russia, that requires any
> advanced level of education?
It requires something far harder to obtain than education. Streetwisdom. And
fearlessness. Although I have an education too.
>
> Mind you, you may well be living proof of how useless most arts degrees
> are.
Yawn, ad hominem etc.
--
Regards, Vince.
SteveH
> "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
>
>
> > Long nights in the cab, were they?
> No- Mrs Thatcher was Prime Minister at the time, so I wasn't working.
> > What is it, in particular, about driving to Russia, that requires any
> > advanced level of education?
> It requires something far harder to obtain than education. Streetwisdom. And
> fearlessness. Although I have an education too.
Yeah, yeah..... heard it all before.
Which is why there's so many meatheads driving trucks.
> > Mind you, you may well be living proof of how useless most arts degrees
> > are.
>
> Yawn, ad hominem etc.
Well, they generally are.
If they were any use (and you were telling the truth, which is still
open to debate) you wouldn't be stuck behind the wheel of a truck.
Knight Of The Road
"SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
> If they were any use (and you were telling the truth, which is still
> open to debate) you wouldn't be stuck behind the wheel of a truck.
I expect people said similar when taxi driver Fred Housego won Mastermind
way back when.
Ignorant and snobbish pricks aren't a 21st century phenomenom.
The bottom line is that I've seen a hundred times more of this world than
you ever have or will, and even if you progress to the very top of your
career ladder, you still won't earn as much as I do.
Sorry about that, Old Fruit!
--
Regards, Vince.
Brimstone
Having seen it, what did you learn from it?
SteveH
> "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
>
> > If they were any use (and you were telling the truth, which is still
> > open to debate) you wouldn't be stuck behind the wheel of a truck.
>
>
> I expect people said similar when taxi driver Fred Housego won Mastermind
> way back when.
There's always an exception to prove the rule.
> Ignorant and snobbish pricks aren't a 21st century phenomenom.
>
> The bottom line is that I've seen a hundred times more of this world than
> you ever have or will, and even if you progress to the very top of your
> career ladder, you still won't earn as much as I do.
Really.
Well, I'd prefer to spend time at home rather than in the cab of a
truck.
You can only earn money by putting in silly hours and having shit
working conditions.
Good luck with it, but it's certainly not the path I'd have expected an
educated person to have taken.
> Sorry about that, Old Fruit!
Why apologise. I work a EU standard week and don't have to sleep in
laybys in the back of a truck to earn my money.
Knight Of The Road
> Having seen it, what did you learn from it?
Never go to work wearing a tie.
--
Regards, Vince.
Brimstone
>
>
>> Having seen it, what did you learn from it?
>
>
>
>
> Never go to work wearing a tie.
Not even as a lorry driver?
MikE ©ampbell
"Conor" <conor....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2025c1aca...@news.karoo.co.uk...
: In article <1hsm75x.1cl0wixl58qwsN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
: says...
: > Knight Of The Road <russiat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: > > "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
: > > > Doesn't mean to say that it would have to be the case, though. It
just
: > > > suits at the moment to use cheap labour to deliver - truck drivers
get
: > > > paid roughly half what a train driver gets paid.
: > >
: > >
: > > A train driver earns, on average, around £33,000 p.a which is the
same, or
: > > slightly less, than a petrol tanker driver will be earning.
: >
: > Now look at the number of hours worked to earn that.
: >
: > OK, maybe it's not half, but the train driver works around 35 hours /
: > week to earn that money.
: >
: Lorry drivers work no more than 48hrs average.
:
You know you are taking that out of context really. They are not allowed to
'work' more than that as an average, and as you very well know, many attend
60-70 hours regularly whilst complying with this 48 hour buisness.
Knight Of The Road
> You can only earn money by putting in silly hours and having shit
> working conditions.
Absolutely. Laying beneath a truck with a blowtorch in -40 degrees in
Ukraine, being attacked by wolves in Siberia and having mortar shells fired
at me in Chechnya are not exactly the type of working conditions that Trades
Unions have spent the last 100 years fighting for.
Perhaps I should have stayed here stacking baked beans onto supermarket
shelves. For some reason, I always felt life was too short for that...
--
Regards, Vince.
SteveH
> "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
>
>
> > You can only earn money by putting in silly hours and having shit
> > working conditions.
>
>
> Absolutely. Laying beneath a truck with a blowtorch in -40 degrees in
> Ukraine, being attacked by wolves in Siberia and having mortar shells fired
> at me in Chechnya are not exactly the type of working conditions that Trades
> Unions have spent the last 100 years fighting for.
You make it sound as though this is a good thing.
I'd say it's definitely a bad thing.
Not to mention the days / weeks away from home.
> Perhaps I should have stayed here stacking baked beans onto supermarket
> shelves. For some reason, I always felt life was too short for that...
Well, I've never had a job that entailed doing that. I've done it, but
only to help out supervisors who've found themselves in the shit. If you
had a degree you wouldn't have had to do it either, even if you were
working in the food retail industry.
Knight Of The Road
> You know you are taking that out of context really. They are not allowed
> to
> 'work' more than that as an average, and as you very well know, many
> attend
> 60-70 hours regularly whilst complying with this 48 hour buisness.
Well, good for them.
--
Regards, Vince.
SteveH
> "MikE Šampbell" <mik...@gazeta.pl> wrote
For you, too, surely?
Conor
says...
> I know this because I was heavily involved in the roll-out of the
> working time directive in retail.
ROFLMAO. You clueless cunt. They're not the same.
> It's very easy to take a couple of
> standard weeks every couple of months to compensate for working 50+
> hours regularly.
>
Like I said, clueless cunt, they're not the same.
> If train drivers are working more than 50 hours, just think how much
> they're earning, when the basic is £34k for 35 hours.
>
Like me, more than you. I recall you screaming in disbelief when I said
I earn £660 a week.
--
Conor
The United States, increasing quality by lowering standards since 1776.
SteveH
> In article <1hsm897.1oe4gfnvsjoqhN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> says...
>
> > I know this because I was heavily involved in the roll-out of the
> > working time directive in retail.
>
> ROFLMAO. You clueless cunt. They're not the same.
The basics of the rules are the same. You can work like fuck for weeks
on end and average it out with some 'short' weeks to come in on the
limit.
That's not including the hours you're technically not 'working', but are
in a service station sleeping in the cab - which is actually being at
work, in reality.
> > It's very easy to take a couple of
> > standard weeks every couple of months to compensate for working 50+
> > hours regularly.
> >
> Like I said, clueless cunt, they're not the same.
Really. Well, care to explain how I'm wrong, then?
The law specifically states that the working hours are averaged over a
13 week period.
> > If train drivers are working more than 50 hours, just think how much
> > they're earning, when the basic is £34k for 35 hours.
> >
> Like me, more than you. I recall you screaming in disbelief when I said
> I earn £660 a week.
Yes, because I was kind of thinking of normal working weeks.
I wouldn't work the kind of hours a driver has to work to make a half
decent wage, though.
Conor
says...
> Conor <conor....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1hslvhh.ebepyin5khdeN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> > says...
> > > Conor <conor....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The types of job your "career" has consisted of, I did as a schoolkid
> > > > during summer holidays.
> > >
> > > Of course, you regularly ran million pound a week stores whilst on your
> > > school holidays, didn't you?
> >
> > As you yourself have said, store managers are thick and it's your
> > current level of management that does all the thinking.
>
> No, I never claimed that. I claimed that some of us have greater
> capacity than running a single site. Not that all the single site
> managers are shit - but they do need guidance from someone with more
> skills and experience at times.
>
Which is saying the same thing.
> > I worked in shops which you admitted is what you've done until this job
> > you've just started.
>
> Not just worked, Conor. Any fool can do that. 'Managed'. There's a whole
> world of difference.
You've only recently managed. Regardless of that, it's still all "fuck
all skill required shop work". Where are the technically challenging
jobs requiring something more than "Would you like to take our extended
warranty?"
>
> > > Do you actually know anything that goes on outside of the cab of your
> > > truck, or do you make it up as you go along?
> > >
> > Plenty. At least I've had a range of jobs. All yours seem to be is an
> > endless string of no qualifications required shop work.
>
> Which is why most chains prefer degree level education for new managers
> these days.
>
You're fucked then.
> I'm not saying it's a compulsory requirement, but it's certainly
> favoured.
>
Looks like your career is coming to a standstill then.
> If you're so well qualified, why do you still work in an industry where
> you have to work nearly 20 hours a week more than me to get into the
> same playing field with regards to income?
>
I don't need to work 20 hrs a week more than you. At this moment in
time, I've done 5 days work since Xmas and I can still afford to pay
myself more than you. In fact, I could earn more than you and do about
5hrs a week.
Tell you what sonny boy, when you actually manage to earn £2000 in a
weekend as I was doing 8 years ago, feel free to come back to me and
claim you're in the same playing field. Actually, I'll make it easier
and lower the bar a little. When you manage to earn £400 in 5hrs,
please feel free to come back to me and claim you're in the same
playing field.
Conor
says...
> Well, you don't have to be Mastermind to drive a truck, but it's often
> claimed by drivers that it's a lot more than that.
There's a lot more than driving.
>
> I'd be intrigued to
> know what other stuff is involved that means any uneducated ape with an
> HGV licence couldn't do it.
>
Go look at the HGV test fail rates. That's people who have passed a car
test and typically have a few years driving experience yet they still
can't pass a HGV driving test.
Drivers hours rules tend to get a few people too.
Conor
says...
> I've just taken on an extra stack of stores as from Monday.... I might
> have to do a full week of work next week ;-)
>
>
For no extra money either. Fucking wage slave mug.
Conor
says...
> Erm, you're confusing 'expenses' with salary.
>
Oh yeah...salary. You're on one of those aren't you? I do believe
you've just posted that your workload will increase substantially on
Monday. More hours for the same pay. What a mug.
Knight Of The Road
>
> That's not including the hours you're technically not 'working', but are
> in a service station sleeping in the cab - which is actually being at
> work, in reality.
Actually, I'm pissed off tonight because I'm just about to go to sleep and
I'm *not* going to be paid £27.50 tax-free for doing it..........
--
Regards, Vince.
Conor
says...
> Why apologise. I work a EU standard week
Hmm...far more than me.
MikE ©ampbell
: Drivers hours rules tend to get a few people too.
:
Mainly fuckin drivers !!!
Conor
says...
> Knight Of The Road <russiat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote
> >
> >
> > > You can only earn money by putting in silly hours and having shit
> > > working conditions.
> >
> >
> > Absolutely. Laying beneath a truck with a blowtorch in -40 degrees in
> > Ukraine, being attacked by wolves in Siberia and having mortar shells fired
> > at me in Chechnya are not exactly the type of working conditions that Trades
> > Unions have spent the last 100 years fighting for.
>
> You make it sound as though this is a good thing.
>
> I'd say it's definitely a bad thing.
That's because you're an 8 stone cowardly streak of piss.
> Well, I've never had a job that entailed doing that. I've done it, but
> only to help out supervisors who've found themselves in the shit.
So you've had a job that entails it.
SteveH
> In article <1hsmb3l.1n3i1g6uke067N%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> says...
>
> > I've just taken on an extra stack of stores as from Monday.... I might
> > have to do a full week of work next week ;-)
> >
> >
> For no extra money either. Fucking wage slave mug.
Full week being around 38 hours.
How *will* I fucking cope?
SteveH
> In article <1hsmcgs.1pqj4wg1be7spdN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> says...
>
> > Why apologise. I work a EU standard week
>
> Hmm...far more than me.
Oh yes, I was forgetting that you're a big-time transport contractor
these days.
You fucking make me laugh.
SteveH
> In article <1hsmaxb.1l282tt9lxg93N%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> says...
>
> > Erm, you're confusing 'expenses' with salary.
> >
> Oh yeah...salary. You're on one of those aren't you? I do believe
> you've just posted that your workload will increase substantially on
> Monday. More hours for the same pay. What a mug.
I'm sure I'll cope.
Of course I can't compete with 'Conor's International Haulage
Contractors PLC', but I'll just have to live with that.
MikE ©ampbell
news:9qSdnc02XuUneCbY...@bt.com...
: "SteveH" <st...@italiancar.co.uk> wrote >
:
Spot on, thats your tax free expenses allowance!
SteveH
> In article <1hsm902.1h8d67fvm7qjN%st...@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
> says...
>
> > Well, you don't have to be Mastermind to drive a truck, but it's often
> > claimed by drivers that it's a lot more than that.
>
> There's a lot more than driving.
Yeah, there's hauling pallets around, too.
> > I'd be intrigued to
> > know what other stuff is involved that means any uneducated ape with an
> > HGV licence couldn't do it.
> >
> Go look at the HGV test fail rates. That's people who have passed a car
> test and typically have a few years driving experience yet they still
> can't pass a HGV driving test.
>
> Drivers hours rules tend to get a few people too.
It's not rocket science. It's a manual, unskilled job.
Unless you're a leading haulage contractor. Like what you are and stuff.
SteveH
> > > > Of course, you regularly ran million pound a week stores whilst on your
> > > > school holidays, didn't you?
> > >
> > > As you yourself have said, store managers are thick and it's your
> > > current level of management that does all the thinking.
> >
> > No, I never claimed that. I claimed that some of us have greater
> > capacity than running a single site. Not that all the single site
> > managers are shit - but they do need guidance from someone with more
> > skills and experience at times.
> >
> Which is saying the same thing.
Not in the slightest.
But you wouldn't understand.
A promotion to you is getting a bigger truck.
> > > I worked in shops which you admitted is what you've done until this job
> > > you've just started.
> >
> > Not just worked, Conor. Any fool can do that. 'Managed'. There's a whole
> > world of difference.
>
> You've only recently managed. Regardless of that, it's still all "fuck
> all skill required shop work". Where are the technically challenging
> jobs requiring something more than "Would you like to take our extended
> warranty?"
Only recently?
Well, only if more than 10 years is 'recent'.
> > > > Do you actually know anything that goes on outside of the cab of your
> > > > truck, or do you make it up as you go along?
> > > >
> > > Plenty. At least I've had a range of jobs. All yours seem to be is an
> > > endless string of no qualifications required shop work.
> >
> > Which is why most chains prefer degree level education for new managers
> > these days.
> >
> You're fucked then.
Funny that I'm not, isn't it?
> > I'm not saying it's a compulsory requirement, but it's certainly
> > favoured.
> >
> Looks like your career is coming to a standstill then.
How little you know.
> > If you're so well qualified, why do you still work in an industry where
> > you have to work nearly 20 hours a week more than me to get into the
> > same playing field with regards to income?
> >
> I don't need to work 20 hrs a week more than you. At this moment in
> time, I've done 5 days work since Xmas and I can still afford to pay
> myself more than you. In fact, I could earn more than you and do about
> 5hrs a week.
Yes, with your new internationally recognised contractors business.
I look forward to your entry in the Rich List this year.
You must be doing well, I mean you nearly own your own council house and
have a Crapi and everything.
Duncan Bannatyne look out.
> Tell you what sonny boy, when you actually manage to earn £2000 in a
> weekend as I was doing 8 years ago, feel free to come back to me and
> claim you're in the same playing field. Actually, I'll make it easier
> and lower the bar a little. When you manage to earn £400 in 5hrs,
> please feel free to come back to me and claim you're in the same
> playing field.
Blah, blah, blah.
You claim to earn all this cash, but still live in a council house.
How does that work?
You must have quite literally, millions in the bank at those rates.
SteveH
Wow!
A whole £27.50 to sleep in a truck.
You're rich beyond believe.
Small time, mate, small time and always will be.