Any interest in splitting this group ?
Niels Cook
eg.
uk.rec.cycling.gearlovers-mtb
for the boys (mainly) to discuss their exploits, toys,
pulse-monitors and the like
and
uk.rec.cycling.stayingalive
for those concerned with cycling on roads in this
country in normal situations
The suggested names are half-joking but I'm sick of all the nonsense
from gizmo-lovers who spend on a brake-block what I'd spend on a bike.
Thought I'd check out the comparable German newsgroup de.rec.fahrrad
and as far as my schoolboy German can tell, the signal/noise(IMO) ratio
is much lower. No, I don't propose to f*** off there, wish it was that
simple.
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Niels Cook <niels...@misys.com> wrote in message
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Seconded!
Bill
Adrian Boliston
>
> eg.
>
> uk.rec.cycling.gearlovers-mtb
Perhaps uk.rec.cycling.equipment
Huw Pritchard
issue forth:
<snip stuff about creating new groups>
> Seconded!
What about "uk.rec.cycling.quoting.entire.message.for.one.word.reply"? ;)
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Peter Clinch
> The suggested names are half-joking but I'm sick of all the nonsense
> from gizmo-lovers who spend on a brake-block what I'd spend on a bike.
Read the thread subject: I find it's pretty easy to avoid ones that
don't appeal. Don't read it, you won't be sick of it. Threaded
newsreaders are designed to allow just this sort of control, so maybe
use one if you don't already.
> Thought I'd check out the comparable German newsgroup de.rec.fahrrad
> and as far as my schoolboy German can tell, the signal/noise(IMO) ratio
> is much lower.
If you're into gizmos though (and it is part of cycling, even if you're
not interested yourself), it isn't noise. I don't think it's very fair
to cite stuff as noise if it's directly related to UK cycling just
because it isn't your particular bag.
Pete.
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W K
>
> eg.
>
> uk.rec.cycling.gearlovers-mtb
>
> for the boys (mainly) to discuss their exploits, toys,
> pulse-monitors and the like
>
and I don't remember much of the above, isn't it useful that its a broad
group.
Not much has been said about HRM's anyway.
> uk.rec.cycling.stayingalive
>
> for those concerned with cycling on roads in this
> country in normal situations
jeezuz - Would that be a continual debate about helmets?
> The suggested names are half-joking but I'm sick of all the nonsense
> from gizmo-lovers who spend on a brake-block what I'd spend on a bike.
just ignore it then. There's no way in the world I'd be spending a huge
amount of money on a bike, all the more reason to switch off.
Pete Whelan
not a lot about cycling in this thread, perhaps it would be better discussed
in another newsgroup
Velvet
"Peter Clinch" <p.j.c...@dundee.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:3C99BDED...@dundee.ac.uk...
> Read the thread subject: I find it's pretty easy to avoid ones that
> don't appeal. Don't read it, you won't be sick of it. Threaded
> newsreaders are designed to allow just this sort of control, so maybe
> use one if you don't already.
>
I agree with Peter. There's a lot here that I don't find interesting at the
moment, but staying alive on the roads IS of interest to me, as is the odd
convestion about some bit of kit I *do* have on my bike. I mark threads I'm
not interested in reading as 'ignore', and the problem is solved. I don't
particularly wish to subscribe to three groups when one does the trick now,
AND it means I can filter threads in and out as I choose.
Velvet
Ben Garston
> On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:42:29 +0000, "Suffolk" <bil...@ntlworld.com> did
> issue forth:
>
> <snip stuff about creating new groups>
>
> > Seconded!
>
> What about "uk.rec.cycling.quoting.entire.message.for.one.word.reply"? ;)
Regards
Ben
Sharon Curtis
Ben Garston <bgar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Huw Pritchard <bounceCHECKSI...@pritch.co.uk> wrote in message news:<30jm8.2316$y17.5...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>...
>>
>Prat!
Correct! Someone who quotes an entire long message and then just
adds a one-word reply at the end is indeed a prat.
Sharon
Ambrose Nankivell
Pete Biggs
No
John Buckley
>
> No
Seconded
Oh dear, I've quoted the whole post and given a single word reply.
John Buckley
Tony W
>
No.
Widgets and helmets are both important some of the time and it is easier to
filter one group than visit lots to find information on different aspects of
cycling.
Tedious repetition is a feature of NG's as new people join and old codgers
leave. You just have to learn to filter.
T
teknohippy
wrote:
>Anyone interested in pushing for a split -
>
>
> I'm sick of all the nonsense from gizmo-lovers who spend
> on a brake-block what I'd spend on a bike.
That doesn't make it noise though. Just don't read it perhaps?
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Simon Ward
>On 21 Mar 2002 02:18:15 -0800, niels...@misys.com (Niels Cook)
>wrote:
>
>>Anyone interested in pushing for a split -
Although I do admit that it's been a while since the topic came up.
>> I'm sick of all the nonsense from gizmo-lovers who spend
>> on a brake-block what I'd spend on a bike.
>That doesn't make it noise though. Just don't read it perhaps?
Or learn to use a killfile.
Simon
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W K
Simon Ward <sm...@halibut.ohm.york.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <ca0k9u0rpv6t51gns...@4ax.com>, teknohippy wrote:
> >On 21 Mar 2002 02:18:15 -0800, niels...@misys.com (Niels Cook)
> >> on a brake-block what I'd spend on a bike.
> >That doesn't make it noise though. Just don't read it perhaps?
> Or learn to use a killfile.
That's a bit harsh for talking about brake blocks in a bike newsgroup.
There might be tedius spirals on various subjects but hardly worth the kf?
Ambrose Nankivell
> On 21 Mar 2002 02:18:15 -0800, niels...@misys.com (Niels Cook)
> wrote:
>
> >Anyone interested in pushing for a split -
> >
> >
> > I'm sick of all the nonsense from gizmo-lovers who spend
> > on a brake-block what I'd spend on a bike.
>
> That doesn't make it noise though. Just don't read it perhaps?
>
Depends how well aligned the brake block is, doesn't it?
Ambrose,
making noise.
WafflycatHCS
>
> for the boys (mainly) to discuss their exploits, toys,
> pulse-monitors and the like
So... do the girls get to participate by invite only??? Huh!! ;-)
Cheers, helen s
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DE Belcher
On 21 Mar 2002, WafflycatHCS wrote:
> > uk.rec.cycling.gearlovers-mtb
> >
> > for the boys (mainly) to discuss their exploits, toys,
> > pulse-monitors and the like
>
> So... do the girls get to participate by invite only??? Huh!! ;-)
>
I object to the -mtb bit! Do the rest of us not get to talk about the new
widgets we've invested in for the road and for 'cross? :-)
David E. Belcher
Dept. of Chemistry,
University of York
Kevin Ward
cyclists need to be concerned about staying alive and be aware of what their
bike is made of. Additionally, everyone needs to know what to do when things
go wrong. I think that this newsgroup is great and I get great tips on road
skills AND gadgety things.
There is a mountain bike newsgroup namely,
alt.mountain-bike
Regards,
Kevin!
"DE Belcher" <deb...@york.ac.uk> wrote in message
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Tony W
"WafflycatHCS" <waffly...@aol.comcompass> wrote in message
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>
> So... do the girls get to participate by invite only??? Huh!! ;-)
No -- you can come along as long as you do the tea & buns.
/Ducks as he is hit round his unprotected head with a paving slab/
T
jeremy
<kevinma...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>There is a mountain bike newsgroup namely,
>
>alt.mountain-bike
If you think the S/N is bad here .....
J.
Simon Ward
[...]
>>alt.mountain-bike
>
>If you think the S/N is bad here .....
...try rec.bicycles.* - all the arrogant Yanks you could ever wish
for, and then some.
Peter B
No.
I don't watch telly all day nor read all of the sunday paper or CW and then
whinge that some of it wasn't to my taste, likewise this NG.
And another thing, if you find most topics uninteresting contribute
something !
Pete.
Daniel Barlow
Me too.
Ambrose Nankivell <ambr...@onetel.net.uk> writes:
-dan
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WafflycatHCS
>
>T
>
Only if you are wearing bibshorts as well...
As for the feeble attempt at sexist humour ;-), do take this bun here - it's
the one with the arsenic in it ;-)
WafflycatHCS
>If you think the S/N is bad here .....
>
>J.
Sado-mas... oh *sorry* I thought you'd typed S/M....
Cheers, helen s ;-)
John Mallard
"Niels Cook" <niels...@misys.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone interested in pushing for a split -
>
Not really, no.
I pick and choose which threads to read. Sometimes dip into threads that
are alien to me. I learn some interesting stuff sometimes.
Restrict the scope of the group and it will soon get boring reading the same
old issues over and over again.
If there aren't enough threads that interest you its because you haven't
started them yet. ;-)
--
Cheerful pedalling
John Mallard
take out the_bike_ to reply
Simon Ward
>>If you think the S/N is bad here .....
>>
>>J.
>Sado-mas... oh *sorry* I thought you'd typed S/M....
Blimey, and I thought I had a mind like a sewer :-)
Simon (but you *did* type S/M ....)
Jonathan Mock
niels...@misys.com (Niels Cook) wrote:
> Anyone interested in pushing for a split -
No.
I'm more interested in riding my bike.
Kevin Ward
own newsgroup. I wonder....
Kevin!
Tony W
"WafflycatHCS" <waffly...@aol.comcompass> wrote in message
do take this bun here - it's
> the one with the arsenic in it ;-)
Loverly
Pete Biggs
> >>If you think the S/N is bad here .....
> >>
> >>J.
> >Sado-mas... oh *sorry* I thought you'd typed S/M....
> Blimey, and I thought I had a mind like a sewer :-)
>
> Simon (but you *did* type S/M ....)
Careful. Remember what Helen does with allen keys?
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Simon Ward
wrote:
>This is a totally different subject, I know, but is it easy to set up your
>own newsgroup. I wonder....
http://www.faqs.org/ and appropriate references thereon.
Reading the news.* newsgroups may prove informative as well.
anagram
put here in uk.rec.cycling.onebighappyfamily.
David Cowie
WafflycatHCS
>
I'm very talented.
Kevin
Kevin!
"Simon Ward" <sm...@halibut.ohm.york.ac.uk> wrote in message
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Sapphire Dragon
Seconded
Sapph
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Sapphire Dragon
Sapph
"WafflycatHCS" <waffly...@aol.comcompass> wrote in message
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WafflycatHCS
>
>Sapph
So true.
Cheers, helen s
jeremy
<sapphir...@virgin.net.removeme> wrote:
>Girls toys are a lot more interesting
But they keep needing new batteries.
J.
James Hodson
wrote:
>Anyone interested in pushing for a split -
>
Hi Niels
Not a good idea, IMO.
As I may have mentioned once or thrice in this NG, I fly stunt kites
as a hobby. As some of you may know, power kites are quite popular
these days, although they don't particularly interest me.
Some time ago a few power kiters split away from rec.kites and formed
their own forum via Yahoo. Moreso, I think that there are now several
Yahoo power kiting forums.
These schisms are IMO to the detriment of the very small kiting
community. (Russell Pinder is, I believe, quite aware of the strange
characters in r.k so perhaps he would agree with me that only the
dregs remain - apart from me, of course!!)
I feel that a similar split in u.r.c would be equally bad for the
online cycling world.
James
Przemek Gawel
That's what you call biased. Fortunately people are using tags in subjects
to distinguish local messages and some typical subjects.
pg
russell.pinder
James Hodson <c.b...@formerly.butty> wrote in message
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> community. (Russell Pinder is, I believe, quite aware of the strange
> characters in r.k so perhaps he would agree with me that only the
> dregs remain - apart from me, of course!!)
>
> I feel that a similar split in u.r.c would be equally bad for the
> online cycling world.
It happened here a couple of years ago - most of the mtbr's disappeared off
to a topica list (uk-mtb for those interested, which is where GoFar and then
Singletrackworld sprang from, Singletrack world now has a (web based) forum
that is at least as active as this newsgroup) - Many have found their way
back now.
A split is a very bad idea given the small size of the group anyway - the
mix of different perspectives is one of the things that's attractive about
u.r.c
Strange that it should be a 'utility' cyclist sugesting it this time though
(it's usually a mtb'r) as the group is clearly dominated by
commuters/lifestyle cyclists - there's not a lot of us here who expect their
bike frames to run to four figures and *only* cycle for recreation. It might
not be popular but there's still people here who think cars are for
transport and bikes are for recreation but it is uk REC cycling after all.
To complain about discussions on expensive bits and HRM's is a bit rich IMO.
So no - no interest at all in a split.
Russ
James Thomson
[snip]
> Singletrack world now has a (web based) forum that is at
> least as active as this newsgroup
... if you like monosyllables ...
> A split is a very bad idea given the small size of the
> group anyway - the mix of different perspectives is one
> of the things that's attractive about u.r.c
Definitely.
James Thomson
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> ... if you like monosyllables ...
Don't knock 'em. Big words are composed of monosyllables which have
just huddled together for warmth.
James Hodson
<russell...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>So no - no interest at all in a split.
Russ
NTL still hasn't got my e-mail working so I'll have to thank you for
the cheque here.
Ta
James
David E. Belcher
David Marsh SCDP wrote:
>
> I've been off sick recently so I've missed the start of this thread,
> but, yes, I would welcome the creation of subgroups (eek, 'split', that's
> just such a /loaded/ sounding term which is bound to get people's hacks up)
> as follows:
>
> uk.rec.cycling.tech (mechanical/componentry/types of bikes/etc)
Well, there is a rec.bicycles.tech group, but it tends to be a bit
USA-orientated (or "oriented" as they would no doubt say in the
States....). Something with more of a UK bias would suit fine, but isn't
everyone's cup of tea.
David E. Belcher
Dept. of Chemistry,
University of York
David E. Belcher
>
> I've been off sick recently so I've missed the start of this thread,
> but, yes, I would welcome the creation of subgroups (eek, 'split', that's
> just such a /loaded/ sounding term which is bound to get people's hacks up)
> as follows:
>
> uk.rec.cycling.tech (mechanical/componentry/types of bikes/etc)
Well, there is a rec.bicycles.tech group, but it tends to be a bit
USA-orientated (or "oriented" as they would no doubt say in the
States....). Something with more of a UK bias would suit me fine, but
Peter B
"David Marsh SCDP" <dma...@scottishcyclingSPAMTRAP.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in
message news:slrnaa6g83.3...@scottishcycling.glasgow.gov.uk...
> The need to minimise online time...........
So, why the long post? :-)
Pete.
Pete Biggs
"David Marsh SCDP" <dma...@scottishcyclingSPAMTRAP.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in
message news:slrnaa6g83.3...@scottishcycling.glasgow.gov.uk...
> The need to minimise online time and to give mere mortals the chance to
> seek out only the articles they want to read was and is a common reason
> why it can be a good idea to create subgroups once a group becomes 'too
big'.
It's not *that* big yet, though, imo.
> Unfortunately, in the past couple of years, as high-speed and always-on
> connections become slightly more prevalent for the 'lucky few' the
> argument "oh, but you can just scorefile articles you don't want" gets
> shouted back by the (vocal) lucky few. Yes you can (and I do), but the
> snag still occurs when you have to download the articles in the first
> place, and there does come a time when a group becomes too big to
> comfortably download (even twice a day as I do now: I just don't have
> the time to do it all in a oner at home, so I no longer read the group
> from home).
I don't (and I'm sure many of us don't) have a high-speed connection. ISPs
provide 1p per minute and various "anytime" and off peak deals. Messages
don't have to be downloaded in advance: you can just spend a few minutes at
a time reading particular messages which interest you, and compose replies
off-line if necessary. It's not terribly expensive. If that is too
inconvenient or expensive, then maybe newsgroups aren't for you [see below].
/snip
> What does anybody think?
Quite a few people have replied to this thread already, and the majority do
not want the group split.
I think this newsgroup's *success* is due to it's size, diversity, and
especially it's busy-ness. Smaller, quieter groups just don't work so well.
But if you would prefer a smaller internet cycling group, there are already
hundreds out there - in the form of web forums and email lists - which are
particularly convenient when you can't spend much time online. Newsgroups
are more suited to high-volume traffic (and it is easier ignore threads not
of interest).
Here are a few other groups for a start (some international, some UK):
http://www.cyclingplus.co.uk
http://www.topica.com/lists/sensible-cycling
http://www.topica.com/lists/urbancyclist-uk
http://www.bikelist.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EuroBike/
http://www.bikemagic.com - forum
_UK tech group?_
I'm sure even people who are not technically minded/interested enough to
join a tech group learn stuff which they otherwise wouldn't by occasionally
dipping into the tech threads here. And it makes it very easy for them to
get help for their bikes/equipment whenever they need it. Plus us anoraks
benefit from the info from normal human beings when they do join in! ;-)
Anyway, as has already been said, there is already rec.bicycles.tech. Yes,
it's mainly populated by Americans (plenty of Ausies as well, btw), but that
often doesn't matter because bike technology is so global now. It could be
used more - and I would like to see that - I often post my own tech
questions there. But, still, I don't blame anyone for posting here.
uk.rec.cycling's definitely got a nicer atmosphere! And of course it helps
to get UK dealer recommedations included.
_rec.bicycles.tech_: particularly good for details on gears and brakes,
etc; advice on wheel building; academic engineering discussions, etc. Plenty
of genuine experts help out (including Sheldon Brown and Jobst Brandt).
Downsides: mega-busy, bit too conservative, too much smart arse sarcasm.
There are already a number of smaller technical groups. I even started one
myself ...which seems to be in a coma at the moment! :-( But anyone is
welcome to subscribe. See: www.topica.com/lists/cycle-hware .
David Cowie
dma...@scottishcyclingSPAMTRAP.co.uk.INVALID (David Marsh SCDP)
wrote: >What does anybody think?
>(heh, it was actually quite a while ago nows, how time flies..) when it
>became just too large to read/download.
I'd suggest being more selective about the threads you read.
>I reckon at least 50% of the articles in urc are about
>mechanical/componentry issues which I'm just not interested in apart
Tech questions and discussions can easily be accommodated in
rbr.tech (components are the same world over)
I'd also suggest leaving the name of
urc the same. Can you just add a .tech group and leave the original
instead of splitting the group ?