Yet another 'Critical Mass' of cars.
Doug
dispersal order was imposed by police.
Reading Automotive Cruise has been told it can no longer meet in a car
park at Forbury Retail Park, Reading, because it disturbs people
living nearby.
Police say hundreds of cars congregate at the site, revving their
engines, playing loud music and racing around..."
"..."It got to its worst point in September when there was a large
fight in the car park where someone got seriously injured"..."
Hmm! Seems even worse behaviour than CM cyclists. I wonder how many
similar car clubs there are in the UK?
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"We aren't blocking traffic, we are traffic".
PeterG
> "A car club says it has been left with nowhere to meet after a
> dispersal order was imposed by police.
>
> Reading Automotive Cruise has been told it can no longer meet in a car
> park at Forbury Retail Park, Reading, because it disturbs people
> living nearby.
>
> Police say hundreds of cars congregate at the site, revving their
> engines, playing loud music and racing around..."
>
> "..."It got to its worst point in September when there was a large
> fight in the car park where someone got seriously injured"..."
>
> Hmm! Seems even worse behaviour than CM cyclists. I wonder how many
> similar car clubs there are in the UK?
>
> --
> "We aren't blocking traffic, we are traffic".
A group of road users that disturbs other people being banned, I
wonder why the police don't apply this to CM?
PeterG
JNugent
> "A car club says it has been left with nowhere to meet after a
> dispersal order was imposed by police.
>
> Reading Automotive Cruise has been told it can no longer meet in a car
> park at Forbury Retail Park, Reading, because it disturbs people
> living nearby.
>
> Police say hundreds of cars congregate at the site, revving their
> engines, playing loud music and racing around..."
>
> "..."It got to its worst point in September when there was a large
> fight in the car park where someone got seriously injured"..."
>
> Hmm! Seems even worse behaviour than CM cyclists. I wonder how many
> similar car clubs there are in the UK?
I dunno, but I'm instinctively on the side of the police and (more
importantly) the residents.
Within reason, people must be allowed to do as they like, but not at the cost
or to the detriment of specific others. Those drivers should hire a disused
airfield or something.
Mark Williams
> > "A car club says it has been left with nowhere to meet after a
> > dispersal order was imposed by police.
> >
> > [...]
>
> A group of road users that disturbs other people being banned, I
> wonder why the police don't apply this to CM?
It could be that virtually nobody complains to the police about being
disturbed by CM. It is a matter of public record that the London
police received two letters of complaint about their local CM over a
two year period. It's not clear whether one or both of them were from
disturbed people.
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Mark
Doug
> On Nov 13, 3:48 pm, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "A car club says it has been left with nowhere to meet after a
> > dispersal order was imposed by police.
>
> > Reading Automotive Cruise has been told it can no longer meet in a car
> > park at Forbury Retail Park, Reading, because it disturbs people
> > living nearby.
>
> > Police say hundreds of cars congregate at the site, revving their
> > engines, playing loud music and racing around..."
>
> > "..."It got to its worst point in September when there was a large
> > fight in the car park where someone got seriously injured"..."
>
> > Hmm! Seems even worse behaviour than CM cyclists. I wonder how many
> > similar car clubs there are in the UK?
>
>
> wonder why the police don't apply this to CM?
>
procession'.
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"Get out of my way you f*ing cyclist".
BrianW
> "A car club says it has been left with nowhere to meet after a
> dispersal order was imposed by police.
>
> Reading Automotive Cruise has been told it can no longer meet in a car
> park at Forbury Retail Park, Reading, because it disturbs people
> living nearby.
>
> Police say hundreds of cars congregate at the site, revving their
> engines, playing loud music and racing around..."
>
> "..."It got to its worst point in September when there was a large
> fight in the car park where someone got seriously injured"..."
>
> Hmm! Seems even worse behaviour than CM cyclists. I wonder how many
> similar car clubs there are in the UK?
I thought that the "motorist majority mob" was outside the law, Doug?
Once again, thanks for undermining your own argument/
Doug
the police when confronted by CM. The police quickly arrive and
consult with them, by which time CM has usually moved on, as most
processions do.
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http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
Mark Williams
> > It could be that virtually nobody complains to the police about
> > being disturbed by CM. It is a matter of public record that the
> > London police received two letters of complaint about their local
> > CM over a two year period. It's not clear whether one or both of
> > them were from disturbed people.
> >
> Actually some impatient motorists do complain, sometimes by phoning
> the police when confronted by CM.
`Well, your story is very compelling, Mr. Jackass, I mean, uh,
Simpson. So, I'll just type it up on my invisible typewriter!'
> The police quickly arrive and consult with them, by which time CM
> has usually moved on, as most processions do.
If the police arrive by car, then they probably only manage it so
promptly because the mass waves emergency vehicles through in double
quick time :-).
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Mark
Doug
the mob is curbed to some extent by government. Otherwise mass car use
would be much worse in its effects. That is not to say though that the
car mob does not have considerable influence.
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One man's democracy is another man's Aristotlean mob.
Tony Dragon
So if we lived in a 'proper democracy' mobs would not be curbed,
interesting idea.
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Tony Dragon
Doug
> Doug wrote:
> > On 14 Nov, 19:05, BrianW <brianwhiteh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 13 Nov, 15:48, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
> >>> "A car club says it has been left with nowhere to meet after a
> >>> dispersal order was imposed by police.
> >>> Reading Automotive Cruise has been told it can no longer meet in a car
> >>> park at Forbury Retail Park, Reading, because it disturbs people
> >>> living nearby.
> >>> Police say hundreds of cars congregate at the site, revving their
> >>> engines, playing loud music and racing around..."
> >>> "..."It got to its worst point in September when there was a large
> >>> fight in the car park where someone got seriously injured"..."
> >>> Hmm! Seems even worse behaviour than CM cyclists. I wonder how many
> >>> similar car clubs there are in the UK?
> >> I thought that the "motorist majority mob" was outside the law, Doug?
> >> Once again, thanks for undermining your own argument/
>
> > Not at all. Because we don't live in a proper democracy the power of
> > the mob is curbed to some extent by government. Otherwise mass car use
> > would be much worse in its effects. That is not to say though that the
> > car mob does not have considerable influence.
>
>
> interesting idea.
>
democracy. Successive governments alienate the motorist mob to some
extent and loose their votes. If it wasn't for the fact that a
following government treats motorists similarly motorists would
dominate much more than they do already and be completely beyond the
law. As it is they are allowed to kill with relative impunity, park
and drive on pavements and street garage 24/7 for free, while a
majority admit to getting away with breaking the law on speed limits.
It is probably true to say that the law is only applied cautiously to
motorists.
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BrianW
So let me make sure I've got this straight. If we had a proper
democracy, things would be even worse. Are you sure that's what you
meant to say?
Doug
pretence that it exists. What we have is a workable form of government
posing as a democracy, which partly protects minorities, but is also
deeply flawed and in urgent need of improvement.
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BrianW
I see - thanks for explaining.
Presumably your alternative would be "One Doug, One Vote"?
Doug
lines of 'Oligarchy' to get rid of the pretence, which then might
ensure enough motivation on the part of the presently complacent to
improve the existing system, instead of perpetuating it with their
persistent inaction. I have no doubt though that to try to unseat the
oligarchs and replace them with something more representative of the
People will be a tough proposition and might also provide a slippery
slope into a real democracy where mobs rule instead.
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One man's democracy is another man's Aristotlean mob.
BrianW
Right, I see. But what would be your proposed alternative, Doug?
Tony Dragon
Would you give us a report on how you would intend to do these things?
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Doug
than we have at present would evolve. Removal of the crap democratic
ideology should provide sufficient stimulus for change.
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BrianW
Where?
> Hopefully something better
> than we have at present would evolve. Removal of the crap democratic
> ideology should provide sufficient stimulus for change.
Change to what?