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Judith
Jul 30, 2012, 5:46:48 AM7/30/12
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I wonder what his disability is?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE
27 seconds in
It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the police
officer.
I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an electric
trike he has got there.
I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps even a name
- to the attention of the Met?
NM
Jul 30, 2012, 5:56:59 AM7/30/12
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bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
GB
Jul 30, 2012, 6:27:44 AM7/30/12
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by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
someone else from the crowd joined in.
Mark H
Jul 30, 2012, 6:52:19 AM7/30/12
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On 30/07/2012 10:56, NM wrote:
Mark H
Jul 30, 2012, 6:53:25 AM7/30/12
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being violently assaulted by out of control police.
northwal...@gmail.com
Jul 30, 2012, 6:53:27 AM7/30/12
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On Monday, July 30, 2012 10:46:48 AM UTC+1, Judith wrote:
> I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps even a name
> - to the attention of the Met?
Why not apply to join them, they're always looking for nasty people.
> I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps even a name
> - to the attention of the Met?
Judith
Jul 30, 2012, 7:27:33 AM7/30/12
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"disabled" guy which made him justified in grabbing the officer by the neck and
forcing him on to the bonnet of the car - there was no need for him to get
involved at all.
Mark H
Jul 30, 2012, 7:30:54 AM7/30/12
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policeman so there was every need for him to get involved.
Frederick Williams
Jul 30, 2012, 8:10:04 AM7/30/12
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NM wrote:
>
> I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
> bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
Disabled people have as much right to be the victims of thugs in uniform
>
> I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
> bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
as the rest of us.
--
The animated figures stand
Adorning every public street
And seem to breathe in stone, or
Move their marble feet.
NM
Jul 30, 2012, 8:11:32 AM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 11:27 am, GB <NOTsome...@microsoft.com> wrote:
Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
> camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
> again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
> someone else from the crowd joined in.
Why did he punch back, is that included in the job description?
Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
> camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
> again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
> someone else from the crowd joined in.
Bertie Wooster
Jul 30, 2012, 9:06:32 AM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:46:48 +0100, Judith <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:
It looks to me like Doug was trying to prevent a young woman being
assaulted by the policeman by using reasonable force. The man in a
green shirt then jumped in and started hitting the errant copper. The
police medic then started thwacking the man in a green shirt with a
truncheon. When eventually the errant copper regained his balance it
appears he thought it was Doug who had been hitting him.
wrote:
assaulted by the policeman by using reasonable force. The man in a
green shirt then jumped in and started hitting the errant copper. The
police medic then started thwacking the man in a green shirt with a
truncheon. When eventually the errant copper regained his balance it
appears he thought it was Doug who had been hitting him.
thirty-six
Jul 30, 2012, 9:55:27 AM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 2:06 pm, Bertie Wooster <b...@wooster.invalid.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:46:48 +0100, Judith <jmsmith2...@hotmail.co.uk>
Looks to me like a BTP copper had strayed outside his area and was
attempting unlawful arrest and then decided to lash out at all around
when things weren't going his way. To me it seems that the scooter
rider was doing nothing more than avoiding getting an elbow in the
face from a worked-up bull-terrier. I wonder whether the commander
who yanked his chain will be identified.
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:46:48 +0100, Judith <jmsmith2...@hotmail.co.uk>
attempting unlawful arrest and then decided to lash out at all around
when things weren't going his way. To me it seems that the scooter
rider was doing nothing more than avoiding getting an elbow in the
face from a worked-up bull-terrier. I wonder whether the commander
who yanked his chain will be identified.
NM
Jul 30, 2012, 10:40:48 AM7/30/12
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NM
Jul 30, 2012, 10:42:33 AM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 1:10 pm, Frederick Williams <freddywilli...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
I know, I'm disabled and I have exercised my right to be a victim.
wrote:
GB
Jul 30, 2012, 11:14:30 AM7/30/12
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GB
Jul 30, 2012, 11:20:24 AM7/30/12
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>>> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
>>> by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
>>> a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
>>> force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
>>> camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
>>> again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
>>> someone else from the crowd joined in.
>>
>> Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
>> being violently assaulted by out of control police.
>
> I'll go with that.
please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.
What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the
video starts after the arrest had started - so it's sensible to assume
it was lawful. Even if it wasn't, it's pretty cowardly to attack the
policeman from behind.
NM
Jul 30, 2012, 11:29:45 AM7/30/12
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uniformed thugs got a good kicking.
GB
Jul 30, 2012, 12:07:27 PM7/30/12
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thirty-six
Jul 30, 2012, 12:13:34 PM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 4:20 pm, GB <NOTsome...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
> >>> by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
> >>> a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
> >>> force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
> >>> camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
> >>> again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
> >>> someone else from the crowd joined in.
>
> >> Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
> >> being violently assaulted by out of control police.
>
> > I'll go with that.
>
> The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
> please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.
>
> What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
> There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the
I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable
> >>> by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
> >>> a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
> >>> force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
> >>> camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
> >>> again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
> >>> someone else from the crowd joined in.
>
> >> Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
> >> being violently assaulted by out of control police.
>
> > I'll go with that.
>
> The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
> please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.
>
> What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
> There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the
if the constable refused to show his warrant. There was no Met
policeman in attendance so there is no evidence to an onlooker that
the man in fancy dress has any authority. So, did the BTP policeman
show a valid warrant or was he winging it?.
> video starts after the arrest had started - so it's sensible to assume
> it was lawful. Even if it wasn't, it's pretty cowardly to attack the
> policeman from behind.
copper backed into the car and fell over backwards after linking
arms. He was panicking and lashing out. The two gentleman came to
his aid on the car bonnet so that the copper didn't injure himself or
others. ;-)
GB
Jul 30, 2012, 12:24:44 PM7/30/12
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On 30/07/2012 17:13, thirty-six wrote:
> On Jul 30, 4:20 pm, GB <NOTsome...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
>>>>> by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
>>>>> a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
>>>>> force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
>>>>> camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
>>>>> again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
>>>>> someone else from the crowd joined in.
>>
>>>> Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
>>>> being violently assaulted by out of control police.
>>
>>> I'll go with that.
>>
>> The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
>> please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.
>>
>> What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
>> There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the
>
> I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable
> if the constable refused to show his warrant. There was no Met
> policeman in attendance so there is no evidence to an onlooker that
> the man in fancy dress has any authority. So, did the BTP policeman
> show a valid warrant or was he winging it?.
Look, if you are going to be a barrack room lawyer, at least make some
> On Jul 30, 4:20 pm, GB <NOTsome...@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
>>>>> by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
>>>>> a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
>>>>> force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
>>>>> camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
>>>>> again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
>>>>> someone else from the crowd joined in.
>>
>>>> Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
>>>> being violently assaulted by out of control police.
>>
>>> I'll go with that.
>>
>> The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
>> please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.
>>
>> What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
>> There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the
>
> I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable
> if the constable refused to show his warrant. There was no Met
> policeman in attendance so there is no evidence to an onlooker that
> the man in fancy dress has any authority. So, did the BTP policeman
> show a valid warrant or was he winging it?.
small attempt to check your facts. Wikipedia says:
"Spontaneous requirement outside natural jurisdiction
A BTP constable has the same powers and privileges of a constable of a
territorial police force:[30]
in relation to people whom they suspect on reasonable grounds of having
committed, being in the course of committing or being about to commit an
offence, or
if they believe on reasonable grounds that they need those powers and
privileges in order to save life or to prevent or minimise personal injury.
A BTP constable may only use such powers if he believes on reasonable
grounds that if he cannot do so until he secures the attendance of or a
request from a local constable (as above), the purpose for which he
believes it ought to be exercised will be frustrated or seriously
prejudiced.[30]"
So, according to WP, the BTP officer was rather bravely acting in the
course of his duty. Now, WP is not always right, so no doubt you will
produce chapter and verse showing that WP is wrong.
thirty-six
Jul 30, 2012, 12:39:09 PM7/30/12
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given express permission by an accompanying officer of the
Metropolitan police, clearly seen in attendance? ;-)
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 30, 2012, 1:11:33 PM7/30/12
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Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 30, 2012, 1:12:30 PM7/30/12
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I hope they use the video to arrest the lot of them.
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 30, 2012, 1:15:00 PM7/30/12
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to obstruct the police. They should have arrested the fucking lot of them.
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 30, 2012, 1:16:20 PM7/30/12
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On 30/07/2012 13:10, Frederick Williams wrote:
> NM wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
>> bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
>
> Disabled people have as much right to be the victims of thugs in uniform
> as the rest of us.
>
Disabled my arse. He was able enough to attack a policeman in the
> NM wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
>> bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
>
> Disabled people have as much right to be the victims of thugs in uniform
> as the rest of us.
>
course of his duty. I hope they arrested the lead swinging cunt.
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 30, 2012, 1:19:07 PM7/30/12
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police & calling them thugs and the like?
I wonder how they would react if their ickle push bikes were stolen?
Suddenly the police would be their best friends.
Two faced wankers.
JNugent
Jul 30, 2012, 1:37:11 PM7/30/12
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Judith
Jul 30, 2012, 2:05:50 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:39:09 -0700 (PDT), thirty-six <thirt...@live.co.uk>
wrote:
<snip>
>So, you have a copy of his warrant do you, or are you saying he was
>given express permission by an accompanying officer of the
>Metropolitan police, clearly seen in attendance? ;-)
I think he is just saying that you know fuck all about the law.
Did you go to the Anchor Lee cramming classes - the guarantee being that at the
end of the course you will know as much about the law as Anchor does.
wrote:
<snip>
>So, you have a copy of his warrant do you, or are you saying he was
>given express permission by an accompanying officer of the
>Metropolitan police, clearly seen in attendance? ;-)
Did you go to the Anchor Lee cramming classes - the guarantee being that at the
end of the course you will know as much about the law as Anchor does.
Tired
Jul 30, 2012, 2:24:00 PM7/30/12
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Judith wrote:
:: I wonder what his disability is?
::
:: I wonder what his disability is?
being too fat?
:: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE
::
:: 27 seconds in
::
:: It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the
:: police officer.
::
::
:: I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an
:: electric trike he has got there.
::
::
:: I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps
:: even a name - to the attention of the Met?
He certainly assaulted the officer. Somone's head needs to roll though, not
:: 27 seconds in
::
:: It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the
:: police officer.
::
::
:: I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an
:: electric trike he has got there.
::
::
:: I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps
:: even a name - to the attention of the Met?
the copper and the extremely brave medic (was she a sworn officer? She
should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob like that,
without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon), where was his backup,
why was he left to face down an angry mob like that? With hindsight he might
have handled it better, but he wasnt out of order.
That officer was in danger of been seriously assualted, not so much by the
man in the wheelchair but by the mob who were on the verge of getting very
violent indeed.
NM
Jul 30, 2012, 3:04:18 PM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 7:24 pm, "Tired" <n...@no.com> wrote:
> Judith wrote:
>
> :: I wonder what his disability is?
> ::
>
> being too fat?
>
> ::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE
> ::
> :: 27 seconds in
> ::
> :: It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the
> :: police officer.
> ::
> ::
> :: I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an
> :: electric trike he has got there.
> ::
> ::
> :: I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps
> :: even a name - to the attention of the Met?
>
> He certainly assaulted the officer. Somone's head needs to roll though, not
> the copper and the extremely brave medic (was she a sworn officer? She
> should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob like that,
> without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon), where was his backup,
> why was he left to face down an angry mob like that? With hindsight he might
> have handled it better, but he wasnt out of order.
The assembled members of the public thought he was,
> Judith wrote:
>
> :: I wonder what his disability is?
> ::
>
> being too fat?
>
> ::http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE
> ::
> :: 27 seconds in
> ::
> :: It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the
> :: police officer.
> ::
> ::
> :: I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an
> :: electric trike he has got there.
> ::
> ::
> :: I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps
> :: even a name - to the attention of the Met?
>
> He certainly assaulted the officer. Somone's head needs to roll though, not
> the copper and the extremely brave medic (was she a sworn officer? She
> should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob like that,
> without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon), where was his backup,
> why was he left to face down an angry mob like that? With hindsight he might
> have handled it better, but he wasnt out of order.
>
> That officer was in danger of been seriously assualted, not so much by the
> man in the wheelchair but by the mob who were on the verge of getting very
> violent indeed.
situation then lost control swinging out.
James Allen
Jul 30, 2012, 3:21:47 PM7/30/12
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"Tired" wrote in message news:a7o1q2...@mid.individual.net...
>she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob like
>that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon)
Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point?
This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I often
find myself looking at videos of the police in situations like this and
thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on the power they have,
but OTOH I can't help thinking that these cyclists, especially the so-called
disabled guy and the cunt in the green t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet
deserved a good beating.
James
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The Main Man
Jul 30, 2012, 3:49:31 PM7/30/12
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In article <758c7c87-d953-42db-99ba-39aad8409a03
@n33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, nik.m...@mac.com says...
>
> On Jul 30, 1:10ï¿œpm, Frederick Williams <freddywilli...@btinternet.com>
> > ￜ ￜ ￜAdorning every public street
> > ￜ ￜ ￜAnd seem to breathe in stone, or
> > ￜ ￜ ￜMove their marble feet.
which bus company provides services to Exeter Airport.
--
That's it chums!
@n33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, nik.m...@mac.com says...
>
> On Jul 30, 1:10ï¿œpm, Frederick Williams <freddywilli...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
> > NM wrote:
> >
> > > I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
> > > bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
> >
> > Disabled people have as much right to be the victims of thugs in uniform
> > as the rest of us.
> >
> > --
> > ￜ ￜ ￜThe animated figures stand
> > NM wrote:
> >
> > > I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
> > > bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
> >
> > Disabled people have as much right to be the victims of thugs in uniform
> > as the rest of us.
> >
> > --
> > ￜ ￜ ￜAdorning every public street
> > ￜ ￜ ￜAnd seem to breathe in stone, or
> > ￜ ￜ ￜMove their marble feet.
>
> I know, I'm disabled and I have exercised my right to be a victim.
Your only disablement is not having a working brain. You don't even know
> I know, I'm disabled and I have exercised my right to be a victim.
which bus company provides services to Exeter Airport.
--
That's it chums!
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 30, 2012, 3:50:18 PM7/30/12
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On 30/07/2012 20:28, Phil W Lee wrote:
> GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:20:24
> We already know it was unlawful, as the reason the police gave for it
> was.
You do? As a matter of fact or simply in your deluded mind?
> Self defence is not a crime, and neither is defending others from
> assault.
>
Obstructing the police is.
> GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:20:24
> was.
You do? As a matter of fact or simply in your deluded mind?
> Self defence is not a crime, and neither is defending others from
> assault.
>
Obstructing the police is.
Barb Dwyer
Jul 30, 2012, 4:03:42 PM7/30/12
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:56:59 -0700, NM drooled
> On Jul 30, 10:46 am, Judith <jmsmith2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> I wonder what his disability is?
>>
didn't hit him hard or fast enough. Some of these bastards really do need
teaching a lesson.
--
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten (c) George Carlin
> On Jul 30, 10:46 am, Judith <jmsmith2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> I wonder what his disability is?
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE
>>
>> 27 seconds in
>>
>> It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the
>> police officer.
>>
>> I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an
>> electric trike he has got there.
>>
>> I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps even
>> a name - to the attention of the Met?
>
>>
>> 27 seconds in
>>
>> It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the
>> police officer.
>>
>> I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an
>> electric trike he has got there.
>>
>> I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps even
>> a name - to the attention of the Met?
>
> I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
> bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
The only thing wrong with that video is that whoever hit the copper
> bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
didn't hit him hard or fast enough. Some of these bastards really do need
teaching a lesson.
--
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten (c) George Carlin
Part Timer
Jul 30, 2012, 4:44:00 PM7/30/12
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On 30/07/2012 18:12, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:
> On 30/07/2012 16:20, GB wrote:
>>
>>>>> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women,
>>>>> surrounded
>>>>> by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to
>>>>> arrest
>>>>> a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
>>>>> force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
>>>>> camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
>>>>> again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind,
>>>>> and
>>>>> someone else from the crowd joined in.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
>>>> being violently assaulted by out of control police.
>>>
>>> I'll go with that.
>>
>> The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
>> please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.
>>
>> What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
>> There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the
>> video starts after the arrest had started - so it's sensible to assume
>> it was lawful. Even if it wasn't, it's pretty cowardly to attack the
>> policeman from behind.
>>
> Agreed.
>
> I hope they use the video to arrest the lot of them.
Did anyone see the Police Medic ;-)
> On 30/07/2012 16:20, GB wrote:
>>
>>>>> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women,
>>>>> surrounded
>>>>> by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to
>>>>> arrest
>>>>> a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
>>>>> force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
>>>>> camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
>>>>> again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind,
>>>>> and
>>>>> someone else from the crowd joined in.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
>>>> being violently assaulted by out of control police.
>>>
>>> I'll go with that.
>>
>> The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
>> please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.
>>
>> What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
>> There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the
>> video starts after the arrest had started - so it's sensible to assume
>> it was lawful. Even if it wasn't, it's pretty cowardly to attack the
>> policeman from behind.
>>
> Agreed.
>
> I hope they use the video to arrest the lot of them.
Who said they didn't exist?
NM
Jul 30, 2012, 5:13:47 PM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 8:49 pm, The Main Man <not.h...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> In article <758c7c87-d953-42db-99ba-39aad8409a03
> @n33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, nik.mor...@mac.com says...
> In article <758c7c87-d953-42db-99ba-39aad8409a03
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> > On Jul 30, 1:10 pm, Frederick Williams <freddywilli...@btinternet.com>
> > wrote:
> > > NM wrote:
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> > > > I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
> > > > bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
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> > > Disabled people have as much right to be the victims of thugs in uniform
> > > as the rest of us.
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> > > --
> > > NM wrote:
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> > > > I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
> > > > bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
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> > > Disabled people have as much right to be the victims of thugs in uniform
> > > as the rest of us.
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> > > --
> > > The animated figures stand
> > > Adorning every public street
> > > Adorning every public street
> > > And seem to breathe in stone, or
> > > Move their marble feet.
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> > I know, I'm disabled and I have exercised my right to be a victim.
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> Your only disablement is not having a working brain. You don't even know
> which bus company provides services to Exeter Airport.
Why don't you display your stupidity, yet again,
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> > I know, I'm disabled and I have exercised my right to be a victim.
>
> Your only disablement is not having a working brain. You don't even know
> which bus company provides services to Exeter Airport.
Funny how I got recompensed for the full fare isn't it and a written
apology, you bunch of complete wankers were totally wrong yet not a
man amoungst you would admit it.
The blue badge I use on my car was issued because I qualify as
disabled, if you have a problem with that take it up with my doctor.
Now fuck off and annoy someone else.
NM
Jul 30, 2012, 5:15:26 PM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 8:50 pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR <davidl...@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect.
wrote:
> On 30/07/2012 20:28, Phil W Lee wrote:
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> > GB <NOTsome...@microsoft.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:20:24
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> >>>>> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
> >>>>> by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
> >>>>> a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
> >>>>> force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
> >>>>> camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
> >>>>> again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
> >>>>> someone else from the crowd joined in.
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> >>>> Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
> >>>> being violently assaulted by out of control police.
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> >>> I'll go with that.
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> >> The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
> >> please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.
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> >> What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
> >> There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the
> >> video starts after the arrest had started - so it's sensible to assume
> >> it was lawful. Even if it wasn't, it's pretty cowardly to attack the
> >> policeman from behind.
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> > We already know it was unlawful, as the reason the police gave for it
> > was.
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> You do? As a matter of fact or simply in your deluded mind?
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> > Self defence is not a crime, and neither is defending others from
> > assault.
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> Obstructing the police is.
What if they are, as in this case, being over zealous or do you
>
> >>>>> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
> >>>>> by a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest
> >>>>> a woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue
> >>>>> force on her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the
> >>>>> camera frame launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back
> >>>>> again. Then the big bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and
> >>>>> someone else from the crowd joined in.
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> >>>> Sounds to me like members of the public were trying to protect a woman
> >>>> being violently assaulted by out of control police.
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> >>> I'll go with that.
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> >> The video shows no violent assault by the Police. If you saw that,
> >> please give the exact timing, and I'll re-check.
>
> >> What I did see was members of the public interfering with an arrest.
> >> There is nothing in the video to show that the arrest was unlawful - the
> >> video starts after the arrest had started - so it's sensible to assume
> >> it was lawful. Even if it wasn't, it's pretty cowardly to attack the
> >> policeman from behind.
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> > We already know it was unlawful, as the reason the police gave for it
> > was.
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> You do? As a matter of fact or simply in your deluded mind?
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> > Self defence is not a crime, and neither is defending others from
> > assault.
>
> Obstructing the police is.
consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect.
GB
Jul 30, 2012, 5:24:07 PM7/30/12
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from WP? It says quite clearly that he does not need permission in an
emergency <- I've tried to paraphrase it for you using simple words.
GB
Jul 30, 2012, 5:26:22 PM7/30/12
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>> Obstructing the police is.
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> What if they are, as in this case, being over zealous or do you
> consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect.
the police were being over-zealous. If you have other evidence, what is it?
Zapp Brannigan
Jul 30, 2012, 5:35:36 PM7/30/12
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"GB" <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:501661a1$0$10725$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk...
> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded by
> a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest a
> woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue force on
> her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the camera frame
> launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back again. Then the big
> bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and someone else from the
> crowd joined in.
officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen
cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper channels.
The conduct of some of those people was downright criminal, and represents
cyclists as a violent gang. Shame on them.
Zapp Brannigan
Jul 30, 2012, 5:38:02 PM7/30/12
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"thirty-six" <thirt...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable
> if the constable refused to show his warrant.
card before making an arrest.
You'll clutch at any straw to defend these yobs, evidently.
Zapp Brannigan
Jul 30, 2012, 5:39:45 PM7/30/12
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GB
Jul 30, 2012, 6:15:23 PM7/30/12
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taking part in the assault on the policeman, and a couple of guys were
actively cooling the situation down.
Zapp Brannigan
Jul 30, 2012, 6:42:45 PM7/30/12
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Fair point, well made.
thirty-six
Jul 30, 2012, 7:00:37 PM7/30/12
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thirty-six
Jul 30, 2012, 6:59:54 PM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 10:38 pm, "Zapp Brannigan" <ZBr...@DOOP.com> wrote:
> "thirty-six" <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
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> You'll clutch at any straw to defend these yobs, evidently.
I don't believe the constable for the railway was acting with any
authority on the highway. His fancy-dress means eff-all to me,
particularly as he was identifiable as BTP..
> "thirty-six" <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
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> news:8190e253-b984-46f3...@m3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
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> > I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable
> > if the constable refused to show his warrant.
>
> Utter dribble. There is no requirement for a constable to produce a warrant
> card before making an arrest.
It's a reasonable request in the situation.
> news:8190e253-b984-46f3...@m3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
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> > I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable
> > if the constable refused to show his warrant.
>
> Utter dribble. There is no requirement for a constable to produce a warrant
> card before making an arrest.
>
> You'll clutch at any straw to defend these yobs, evidently.
authority on the highway. His fancy-dress means eff-all to me,
particularly as he was identifiable as BTP..
thirty-six
Jul 30, 2012, 7:04:54 PM7/30/12
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On Jul 30, 11:15 pm, GB <NOTsome...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> On 30/07/2012 22:35, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
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F Murtz
Jul 30, 2012, 10:37:51 PM7/30/12
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Judith wrote:
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> I wonder what his disability is?
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE
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> 27 seconds in
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> It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the police
> officer.
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> I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an electric
> trike he has got there.
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> I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps even a name
> - to the attention of the Met?
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Well is he Doug or isn't he
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE
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> It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the police
> officer.
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> I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an electric
> trike he has got there.
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> I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps even a name
> - to the attention of the Met?
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Steve Firth
Jul 31, 2012, 2:41:03 AM7/31/12
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Judith <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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> I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an electric
> trike he has got there.
Nothing like Duhg.
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> I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an electric
> trike he has got there.
The clip does show what violent, lying propagandists CM are. The fat
bastard assaulted the police officer, getting of his "trike" to do so
then sat there appealing to the crowd that he "never touched" the police
officer. The police officer was assaulted by more than one individual in
that crowd, all of them trying to prevent the arrest.
Nick
Jul 31, 2012, 3:07:35 AM7/31/12
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On 30/07/2012 22:35, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
> Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone
> officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen
> cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper
> channels.
lol. If the policeman had killed her in front of the cameras "the proper
> officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen
> cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper
> channels.
channels" would ensure he was let off.
There is very little Justice when it comes to the police.
Bertie Wooster
Jul 31, 2012, 4:28:18 AM7/31/12
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:41:03 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:
>Judith <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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>> I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an electric
>> trike he has got there.
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>Nothing like Duhg.
Come on Steve. With an extra fifty pounds since 2006, there's more
than a passing resemblance.
http://www.britishschoolofcycling.com/photos/doug/1.jpg
http://www.britishschoolofcycling.com/photos/doug/2.jpg
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>Judith <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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>> I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an electric
>> trike he has got there.
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>Nothing like Duhg.
than a passing resemblance.
http://www.britishschoolofcycling.com/photos/doug/1.jpg
http://www.britishschoolofcycling.com/photos/doug/2.jpg
Tired
Jul 31, 2012, 4:30:05 AM7/31/12
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Phil W Lee wrote:
:: "James Allen" <easy...@ntlworld.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012
:: 20:21:47 +0100 the perfect time to write:
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:::
:::
::: "Tired" wrote in message news:a7o1q2...@mid.individual.net...
:: Who will be left to complain when they come for you?
They didnt come for anyone, dont be so stupid.
:: "James Allen" <easy...@ntlworld.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012
:: 20:21:47 +0100 the perfect time to write:
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:::
::: "Tired" wrote in message news:a7o1q2...@mid.individual.net...
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:::: she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob
:::: like that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon)
:::
::: Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point?
:::
::: This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I
::: often find myself looking at videos of the police in situations
::: like this and thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on
::: the power they have, but OTOH I can't help thinking that these
::: cyclists, especially the so-called disabled guy and the cunt in the
::: green t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet deserved a good beating.
:::
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:::: she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob
:::: like that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon)
:::
::: Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point?
:::
::: This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I
::: often find myself looking at videos of the police in situations
::: like this and thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on
::: the power they have, but OTOH I can't help thinking that these
::: cyclists, especially the so-called disabled guy and the cunt in the
::: green t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet deserved a good beating.
:: Who will be left to complain when they come for you?
They didnt come for anyone, dont be so stupid.
GB
Jul 31, 2012, 4:36:22 AM7/31/12
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On 31/07/2012 01:47, Phil W Lee wrote:
> GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:26:22
> The statement made by the police themselves, which cited an act that
> has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the
> police do not posess.
>
Do you have a linky?
> GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:26:22
> +0100 the perfect time to write:
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> has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the
> police do not posess.
>
Do you have a linky?
GB
Jul 31, 2012, 4:38:45 AM7/31/12
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authority. But you are so prejudiced that you don't care and just keep
posting the same rubbish.
Judith
Jul 31, 2012, 4:45:51 AM7/31/12
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 01:47:23 +0100, Phil W Lee <ph...@lee-family.me.uk> wrote:
>GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:26:22
The Law Lords did not decide that the act as a whole did not apply to Critical
Mass; feel free to highlight the part of the judgment which shows otherwise.
They decided that as it was a customary procession , then there was no need to
inform the police and seek permission as required by section 11 alone.
No more - no less.
Just because you have read this shite on the Critical Mass web-site does not
make it true.
I thought that you were a qualified Queen's Counsel - are you now telling us
that you aren't?
>GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:26:22
>+0100 the perfect time to write:
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>The statement made by the police themselves, which cited an act that
>has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the
>police do not posess.
You talk absolute bollocks.
>has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the
>police do not posess.
The Law Lords did not decide that the act as a whole did not apply to Critical
Mass; feel free to highlight the part of the judgment which shows otherwise.
They decided that as it was a customary procession , then there was no need to
inform the police and seek permission as required by section 11 alone.
No more - no less.
Just because you have read this shite on the Critical Mass web-site does not
make it true.
I thought that you were a qualified Queen's Counsel - are you now telling us
that you aren't?
thirty-six
Jul 31, 2012, 4:46:54 AM7/31/12
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warped mind.
thirty-six
Jul 31, 2012, 4:50:21 AM7/31/12
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> :: "James Allen" <easyh...@ntlworld.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012
> :: 20:21:47 +0100 the perfect time to write:
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> :::
> :::::: "Tired" wrote in messagenews:a7o1q2...@mid.individual.net...
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> :::: she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob
> :::: like that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon)
> :::
> ::: Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point?
> :::
> ::: This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I
> ::: often find myself looking at videos of the police in situations
> ::: like this and thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on
> ::: the power they have, but OTOH I can't help thinking that these
> ::: cyclists, especially the so-called disabled guy and the cunt in the
> ::: green t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet deserved a good beating.
> :::
> :: Who will be left to complain when they come for you?
>
> They didnt come for anyone, dont be so stupid.
Would you like to clarify "no-one of consequence" ;-)
> :::
> :::
> :::: she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob
> :::: like that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon)
> :::
> ::: Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point?
> :::
> ::: This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I
> ::: often find myself looking at videos of the police in situations
> ::: like this and thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on
> ::: the power they have, but OTOH I can't help thinking that these
> ::: cyclists, especially the so-called disabled guy and the cunt in the
> ::: green t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet deserved a good beating.
> :::
> :: Who will be left to complain when they come for you?
>
> They didnt come for anyone, dont be so stupid.
GB
Jul 31, 2012, 4:53:19 AM7/31/12
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On 31/07/2012 03:53, Phil W Lee wrote:
> "James Allen" <easy...@ntlworld.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012
the police will help me.
> "James Allen" <easy...@ntlworld.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012
> 20:21:47 +0100 the perfect time to write:
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>> "Tired" wrote in message news:a7o1q2...@mid.individual.net...
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>>> she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob like
>>> that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon)
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>> Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point?
>>
>> This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I often
>> find myself looking at videos of the police in situations like this and
>> thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on the power they have,
>> but OTOH I can't help thinking that these cyclists, especially the so-called
>> disabled guy and the cunt in the green t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet
>> deserved a good beating.
>>
> Who will be left to complain when they come for you?
>
You mean the thug in the green T shirt or the 'disabled' thug? I hope
>>
>>> she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob like
>>> that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon)
>>
>> Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point?
>>
>> This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I often
>> find myself looking at videos of the police in situations like this and
>> thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on the power they have,
>> but OTOH I can't help thinking that these cyclists, especially the so-called
>> disabled guy and the cunt in the green t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet
>> deserved a good beating.
>>
> Who will be left to complain when they come for you?
>
the police will help me.
NM
Jul 31, 2012, 4:56:52 AM7/31/12
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On Jul 30, 10:38 pm, "Zapp Brannigan" <ZBr...@DOOP.com> wrote:
> "thirty-six" <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
them, the crowd were obviously hostile if the cop wasn't bent on being
a bully he could have handled things in a different way, sadly modern
policing is orientated towards confrontation. The wrong type or
recruit finds the job attractive.
GB
Jul 31, 2012, 5:08:43 AM7/31/12
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you have understood it. Perhaps you can get someone to explain it to you?
GB
Jul 31, 2012, 5:10:28 AM7/31/12
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> I thought that you were a qualified Queen's Counsel - are you now telling us
> that you aren't?
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thirty-six
Jul 31, 2012, 5:17:42 AM7/31/12
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GB
Jul 31, 2012, 5:47:45 AM7/31/12
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thirty-six
Jul 31, 2012, 5:50:07 AM7/31/12
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GB
Jul 31, 2012, 6:00:22 AM7/31/12
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>>> I suggest you go and boil your nuts.
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>> Ah, so you agree I'm right then. First class!
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> Have you done it yet?
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Judith
Jul 31, 2012, 6:18:16 AM7/31/12
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 01:46:54 -0700 (PDT), thirty-six <thirt...@live.co.uk>
wrote:
Of course - perhaps GB had not realised that reading English was not one of
your strong points.
Do you think this particular paragraph may be applicable:
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A BTP constable has the same powers and privileges of a constable of a
territorial police force:[30]
in relation to people whom they suspect on reasonable grounds of having
committed, being in the course of committing or being about to commit an
offence
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Can you follow that:
Some key words:
same powers
suspect
reasonable grounds
about to commit
wrote:
your strong points.
Do you think this particular paragraph may be applicable:
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A BTP constable has the same powers and privileges of a constable of a
territorial police force:[30]
in relation to people whom they suspect on reasonable grounds of having
committed, being in the course of committing or being about to commit an
offence
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Can you follow that:
Some key words:
same powers
suspect
reasonable grounds
about to commit
Judith
Jul 31, 2012, 6:24:18 AM7/31/12
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- perhaps I had jumped to the wrong conclusion :-) :
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If you find 2 abreast cyclists more obstructive than single file ones, you must
have been intending to pass dangerously close anyway.
If you claim to be held up by a cyclist, you are admitting to dangerous
driving, since the only way you could be held up is if your intention was to
pass dangerously close.
Commenting on a legal gate in a public park: I'd think it comes under the
heading of "causing an obstruction",
and should be investigated by the police as such.
If Traffic Lights are not working, then you can telephone the police for
permission to proceed.
If this is not forthcoming, then you can reports it as "unlawful detention".
The police have clearly not been persuaded by the Law Lords, and still
try to treat the procession as unlawful. In this they are now equally
clearly in contempt of court.
It could usefilly <sic> be pointed out to motorists that if they are within
range of a swung D lock, they are too close, and could be held liable
for any collision (including with the D lock).
If you are watching your kids in the rear view mirror, you are not
driving safely or legally.
I would find it very hard to condemn anyone who beat the van driver
into permanent inability to drive
I hope he hits you next, then we can all have a good laugh.
With any luck, you will be a dribbling vegetable in permanent pain
afterwards, but will continue your sad existence for many painful
decades.
If the bastards won't do anything about the taxi driver risking
people's lives by dangerous driving, book him to take your kids on a
trip, then report him for kiddy-fiddling. He'll never drive a taxi
again.
Martin
Jul 31, 2012, 7:00:26 AM7/31/12
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On 31/07/2012 09:28, Bertie Wooster wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:41:03 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
> wrote:
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>> Judith <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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>>> I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an electric
>>> trike he has got there.
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>> Nothing like Duhg.
>
> Come on Steve. With an extra fifty pounds since 2006, there's more
> than a passing resemblance.
> http://www.britishschoolofcycling.com/photos/doug/1.jpg
> http://www.britishschoolofcycling.com/photos/doug/2.jpg
OMG you're right!
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 07:41:03 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
> wrote:
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>> Judith <jmsmi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
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>>> I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an electric
>>> trike he has got there.
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>> Nothing like Duhg.
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> Come on Steve. With an extra fifty pounds since 2006, there's more
> than a passing resemblance.
> http://www.britishschoolofcycling.com/photos/doug/1.jpg
> http://www.britishschoolofcycling.com/photos/doug/2.jpg
Enquiring minds need to know. He has been strangely quiet about all this
as well.
Ian Jackson
Jul 31, 2012, 8:05:33 AM7/31/12
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In message <5017acba$0$7318$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk>, GB
<NOTso...@microsoft.com> writes
I expect that a lot of cyclists suffer from crushed nuts - and that may
be the main reason they are angry with the world.
--
Ian
<NOTso...@microsoft.com> writes
be the main reason they are angry with the world.
--
Ian
Frederick Williams
Jul 31, 2012, 8:54:08 AM7/31/12
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Judith wrote:
>
> [...]
What is the significance of it happening at twelve past eight in the
evening?
--
The animated figures stand
Adorning every public street
And seem to breathe in stone, or
Move their marble feet.
>
> [...]
What is the significance of it happening at twelve past eight in the
evening?
--
The animated figures stand
Adorning every public street
And seem to breathe in stone, or
Move their marble feet.
Judith
Jul 31, 2012, 9:09:37 AM7/31/12
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:54:08 +0100, Frederick Williams
<freddyw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Judith wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>
>What is the significance of it happening at twelve past eight in the
>evening?
It was a fuckwit magnet.
<freddyw...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Judith wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>
>What is the significance of it happening at twelve past eight in the
>evening?
Mondeo Man - YES!
Jul 31, 2012, 10:00:22 AM7/31/12
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--
OUT OF MY WAY you plebs
"NM" <nik.m...@mac.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 30, 8:49 pm, The Main Man <not.h...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> In article <758c7c87-d953-42db-99ba-39aad8409a03
> @n33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, nik.mor...@mac.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 1:10 pm, Frederick Williams <freddywilli...@btinternet.com>
> > wrote:
> > > NM wrote:
>
> > > > I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
> > > > bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in
> > > > uniform.
>
> > > Disabled people have as much right to be the victims of thugs in
> > > uniform
> > > as the rest of us.
>
> > > --
> > > The animated figures stand
> > > Adorning every public street
> > > And seem to breathe in stone, or
> > > Move their marble feet.
>
> > I know, I'm disabled and I have exercised my right to be a victim.
> > > --
> > > The animated figures stand
> > > Adorning every public street
> > > And seem to breathe in stone, or
> > > Move their marble feet.
>
>
> Your only disablement is not having a working brain. You don't even know
> which bus company provides services to Exeter Airport.
Why don't you display your stupidity, yet again,
Funny how I got recompensed for the full fare isn't it and a written
apology, you bunch of complete wankers were totally wrong yet not a
man amoungst you would admit it.
The blue badge I use on my car was issued because I qualify as
disabled, if you have a problem with that take it up with my doctor.
Now fuck off and annoy someone else.
I pity your doctor. How is your Tourette's Syndrome, by the way? It must be
pretty desparate for you to get a blue badge as well as medication!
NM
Jul 31, 2012, 12:53:37 PM7/31/12
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> OUT OF MY WAY you plebs"NM" <nik.mor...@mac.com> wrote in message
I don't care who how or to whom you distribute your pity, that's your
business.
I don't have, or have ever had, Touretts or anything like it, I have a
lung disorder. I am on no medication other than that to deal with my
lung problem, your post is based on total fantasy so be a good fellow
and pursue your wet dreams elsewhere.
BTW, I have now spent the refund, stuff that up your collective arses.
Following the old truism, 'Don't feed the trolls' you will get no more
response from me. Now FOAD idiot.
business.
I don't have, or have ever had, Touretts or anything like it, I have a
lung disorder. I am on no medication other than that to deal with my
lung problem, your post is based on total fantasy so be a good fellow
and pursue your wet dreams elsewhere.
BTW, I have now spent the refund, stuff that up your collective arses.
Following the old truism, 'Don't feed the trolls' you will get no more
response from me. Now FOAD idiot.
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 31, 2012, 1:13:17 PM7/31/12
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On 31/07/2012 09:46, thirty-six wrote:
--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 31, 2012, 1:14:26 PM7/31/12
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This twat is the full Dundee.
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 31, 2012, 1:17:54 PM7/31/12
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a police officer in the course of his duty.
Section 89 of the Police Act 1996.
Section 89(1) makes it an offence to assault a constable in the
execution of his duty.
Section 89(2) makes it an offence to resist or wilfully obstruct a
constable in the execution of his duty.
I hope they arrested the fucking lot of them.
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 31, 2012, 1:19:22 PM7/31/12
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On 31/07/2012 01:47, Phil W Lee wrote:
> GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:26:22
> +0100 the perfect time to write:
>
>>
>
>>
>>>> Obstructing the police is.
>>>
>>> What if they are, as in this case, being over zealous or do you
>>> consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect.
>>
>> All I have seen is that single video. There is no evidence there that
>> the police were being over-zealous. If you have other evidence, what is it?
>>
> The statement made by the police themselves, which cited an act that
> has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the
> police do not posess.
>
The Public Order Act applies to everyone you fuckwit.
>>>
>>> What if they are, as in this case, being over zealous or do you
>>> consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect.
>>
>> All I have seen is that single video. There is no evidence there that
>> the police were being over-zealous. If you have other evidence, what is it?
>>
> The statement made by the police themselves, which cited an act that
> has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the
> police do not posess.
>
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 31, 2012, 1:21:59 PM7/31/12
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Starbucks and is only a barista.
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 31, 2012, 1:26:05 PM7/31/12
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On 31/07/2012 03:59, Phil W Lee wrote:
> "Zapp Brannigan" <ZBr...@DOOP.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012
> 22:35:36 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>
>>
>> "GB" <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:501661a1$0$10725$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk...
>>
>>> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded by
>>> a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest a
>>> woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue force on
>>> her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the camera frame
>>> launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back again. Then the big
>>> bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and someone else from the
>>> crowd joined in.
>>
>> Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone
>> officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen
>> cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper channels.
>
> Just like in this case, you mean?
> :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECMVdl-9SQ
>
>> The conduct of some of those people was downright criminal, and represents
>> cyclists as a violent gang. Shame on them.
>
> Yeah, just like the vicious newspaper salesmen.
> What you see there is an attempt at the same thing.
>
In breaking news, 136,261 Police officers in the UK spent their
day/night maintaining order, protecting the public, arresting criminals
- sometimes risking their lives to do so.
> "Zapp Brannigan" <ZBr...@DOOP.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012
> 22:35:36 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>
>>
>> "GB" <NOTso...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:501661a1$0$10725$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk...
>>
>>> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded by
>>> a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest a
>>> woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue force on
>>> her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the camera frame
>>> launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back again. Then the big
>>> bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and someone else from the
>>> crowd joined in.
>>
>> Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone
>> officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen
>> cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper channels.
>
> Just like in this case, you mean?
> :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECMVdl-9SQ
>
>> The conduct of some of those people was downright criminal, and represents
>> cyclists as a violent gang. Shame on them.
>
> Yeah, just like the vicious newspaper salesmen.
> What you see there is an attempt at the same thing.
>
In breaking news, 136,261 Police officers in the UK spent their
day/night maintaining order, protecting the public, arresting criminals
- sometimes risking their lives to do so.
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 31, 2012, 1:56:04 PM7/31/12
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On 31/07/2012 03:54, Phil W Lee wrote:
> Barb Dwyer <u...@yours.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:03:42 +0000
> (UTC) the perfect time to write:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:56:59 -0700, NM drooled
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 10:46 am, Judith <jmsmith2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I wonder what his disability is?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE
>>>>
>>>> 27 seconds in
>>>>
>>>> It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the
>>>> police officer.
>>>> a name - to the attention of the Met?
>> didn't hit him hard or fast enough. Some of these bastards really do need
>> teaching a lesson.
>
> +1
>
> And "I was only following orders" isn't a valid defence.
>
So what will you two fuckwits do in the future if you are mugged & your
push bike is stolen?
No doubt you will insist those 'bastard thugs' help you out.
> Barb Dwyer <u...@yours.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:03:42 +0000
> (UTC) the perfect time to write:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:56:59 -0700, NM drooled
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 10:46 am, Judith <jmsmith2...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I wonder what his disability is?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfftgb4KOlE
>>>>
>>>> 27 seconds in
>>>>
>>>> It is interesting how he jumps off his "trike" and then assaults the
>>>> police officer.
>>>>
>>>> I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an
>>>> electric trike he has got there.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if anyone will draw this particular footage - and perhaps even
>>>> I reckon it is Doug - it does look like him and it looks like an
>>>> electric trike he has got there.
>>>>
>>>> a name - to the attention of the Met?
>>>
>>> I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
>>> bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
>>
>> The only thing wrong with that video is that whoever hit the copper
>>> I'm with the disabled guy, he lost his rag at the policeman being a
>>> bully and reacted, some of these guys are out and out thugs in uniform.
>>
>> didn't hit him hard or fast enough. Some of these bastards really do need
>> teaching a lesson.
>
> +1
>
> And "I was only following orders" isn't a valid defence.
>
So what will you two fuckwits do in the future if you are mugged & your
push bike is stolen?
No doubt you will insist those 'bastard thugs' help you out.
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 31, 2012, 1:56:36 PM7/31/12
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On 30/07/2012 22:39, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
>
> "James Allen" <easy...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:f9BRr.325007$PE.1...@fx04.am4...
+ 2
>
> "James Allen" <easy...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:f9BRr.325007$PE.1...@fx04.am4...
>>
>>
>> "Tired" wrote in message news:a7o1q2...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>>> she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob
>>> like that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon)
>>
>> Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point?
>>
>> This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I
>> often find myself looking at videos of the police in situations like
>> this and thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on the
>> power they have, but OTOH I can't help thinking that these cyclists,
>> especially the so-called disabled guy and the cunt in the green
>> t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet deserved a good beating.
>
> +1
>>
>> "Tired" wrote in message news:a7o1q2...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>>> she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob
>>> like that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon)
>>
>> Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point?
>>
>> This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I
>> often find myself looking at videos of the police in situations like
>> this and thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on the
>> power they have, but OTOH I can't help thinking that these cyclists,
>> especially the so-called disabled guy and the cunt in the green
>> t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet deserved a good beating.
>
+ 2
Dave - Cyclists VOR
Jul 31, 2012, 1:57:17 PM7/31/12
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On 31/07/2012 03:53, Phil W Lee wrote:
> "James Allen" <easy...@ntlworld.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012
> 20:21:47 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>
>>
>>
>> "Tired" wrote in message news:a7o1q2...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>>> she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob like
>>> that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon)
>>
>> Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point?
>>
>> This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I often
>> find myself looking at videos of the police in situations like this and
>> thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on the power they have,
>> but OTOH I can't help thinking that these cyclists, especially the so-called
>> disabled guy and the cunt in the green t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet
>> deserved a good beating.
>>
>
>>
>>
>> "Tired" wrote in message news:a7o1q2...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>>> she should get some recognition there standing up to an angry mob like
>>> that, without the protection of a stab vest or truncheon)
>>
>> Looks to me like she's holding an ASP at one point?
>>
>> This video makes me feel quite confused actually, on the one hand I often
>> find myself looking at videos of the police in situations like this and
>> thinking they "are" just violent thugs who get off on the power they have,
>> but OTOH I can't help thinking that these cyclists, especially the so-called
>> disabled guy and the cunt in the green t-shirt who joined him on the bonnet
>> deserved a good beating.
>>
> Who will be left to complain when they come for you?
>
Why would they come for me? I'm a law abiding citizen.
>
Steve Firth
Jul 31, 2012, 1:51:23 PM7/31/12
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Dave - Cyclists VOR <davi...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> I thought he was a barrister. Turns out he had a part time job in
> Starbucks and is only a barista.
No, being a barista takes talent and, for a good one, personality. Phil
> I thought he was a barrister. Turns out he had a part time job in
> Starbucks and is only a barista.
W "Perjury" Lee has neither.
Zapp Brannigan
Jul 31, 2012, 4:33:51 PM7/31/12
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"thirty-six" <thirt...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3ce51303-477f-427a...@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 30, 10:38 pm, "Zapp Brannigan" <ZBr...@DOOP.com> wrote:
>> "thirty-six" <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:8190e253-b984-46f3...@m3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable
>> > if the constable refused to show his warrant.
>>
>> Utter dribble. There is no requirement for a constable to produce a
>> warrant
>> card before making an arrest.
>
>> "thirty-six" <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:8190e253-b984-46f3...@m3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable
>> > if the constable refused to show his warrant.
>>
>> Utter dribble. There is no requirement for a constable to produce a
>> warrant
>> card before making an arrest.
>
> It's a reasonable request in the situation.
In a melee of aggressive, abusive yobs? Not really.
In any event, there is no requirement so refusal is not grounds or excuse
for violent resistance.
Zapp Brannigan
Jul 31, 2012, 4:36:36 PM7/31/12
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news:1ffbe8b8-93de-445a...@x21g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
attempt to sabotage the Olympic opening and cause a security crisis. You
lot are like lemmings, on or off the road.
> On Jul 30, 10:38 pm, "Zapp Brannigan" <ZBr...@DOOP.com> wrote:
>> "thirty-six" <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:8190e253-b984-46f3...@m3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable
>> > if the constable refused to show his warrant.
>>
>> Utter dribble. There is no requirement for a constable to produce a
>> warrant
>> card before making an arrest.
>>
>> "thirty-six" <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:8190e253-b984-46f3...@m3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > I didn't see a relevant insignia, the protest of arrest is excusable
>> > if the constable refused to show his warrant.
>>
>> Utter dribble. There is no requirement for a constable to produce a
>> warrant
>> card before making an arrest.
>>
>> You'll clutch at any straw to defend these yobs, evidently.
>
> But the yobs were in uniform, you grasp at any passing straw to defend
> them, the crowd were obviously hostile if the cop wasn't bent on being
> a bully he could have handled things in a different way, sadly modern
> policing is orientated towards confrontation. The wrong type or
> recruit finds the job attractive.
Another cyclist who's bent upon associating himself with a mean-spirited
>
> But the yobs were in uniform, you grasp at any passing straw to defend
> them, the crowd were obviously hostile if the cop wasn't bent on being
> a bully he could have handled things in a different way, sadly modern
> policing is orientated towards confrontation. The wrong type or
> recruit finds the job attractive.
attempt to sabotage the Olympic opening and cause a security crisis. You
lot are like lemmings, on or off the road.
Zapp Brannigan
Jul 31, 2012, 4:38:16 PM7/31/12
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news:50179909$0$10741$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk...
No, because he's lying. Cyclists are no more exempt from the Public Order
Act than they are from gravity. They have a standing right in respect of
one particular clause only, regarding prior notice of route.
> On 31/07/2012 01:47, Phil W Lee wrote:
>> GB <NOTso...@microsoft.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:26:22
>> +0100 the perfect time to write:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>>>> Obstructing the police is.
>>>>
>>>> What if they are, as in this case, being over zealous or do you
>>>> consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect.
>>>
>>> All I have seen is that single video. There is no evidence there that
>>> the police were being over-zealous. If you have other evidence, what is
>>> it?
>>>
>> The statement made by the police themselves, which cited an act that
>> has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the
>> police do not posess.
>>
> Do you have a linky?
>>>>
>>>> What if they are, as in this case, being over zealous or do you
>>>> consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect.
>>>
>>> All I have seen is that single video. There is no evidence there that
>>> the police were being over-zealous. If you have other evidence, what is
>>> it?
>>>
>> The statement made by the police themselves, which cited an act that
>> has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the
>> police do not posess.
>>
No, because he's lying. Cyclists are no more exempt from the Public Order
Act than they are from gravity. They have a standing right in respect of
one particular clause only, regarding prior notice of route.
Zapp Brannigan
Jul 31, 2012, 4:44:04 PM7/31/12
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"Phil W Lee" <ph...@lee-family.me.uk> wrote in message
news:f8ie18prm213c86mp...@4ax.com...
> "Zapp Brannigan" <ZBr...@DOOP.com> considered Mon, 30 Jul 2012
>>news:501661a1$0$10725$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk...
>>
>>> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
>>> by
>>> a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest a
>>> woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue force
>>> on
>>> her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the camera frame
>>> launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back again. Then the
>>> big
>>> bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and someone else from
>>> the
>>> crowd joined in.
>>
>>Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone
>>officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen
>>cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper
>>channels.
>
> Just like in this case, you mean?
> :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECMVdl-9SQ
>
>>The conduct of some of those people was downright criminal, and represents
>>cyclists as a violent gang. Shame on them.
>
> Yeah, just like the vicious newspaper salesmen.
> What you see there is an attempt at the same thing.
What I saw was plain and clear, as described by GB above. Are you denying
>>
>>> What I saw in the video was 3 or possibly 4 policemen/women, surrounded
>>> by
>>> a crowd, some of whom were hostile. The police were trying to arrest a
>>> woman who was struggling violently, but they were not using undue force
>>> on
>>> her. Then at around 20 seconds in, someone from outside the camera frame
>>> launched a punch at the policeman, and he punched back again. Then the
>>> big
>>> bearded guy attacked the policeman from behind, and someone else from
>>> the
>>> crowd joined in.
>>
>>Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone
>>officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen
>>cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper
>>channels.
>
> Just like in this case, you mean?
> :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HECMVdl-9SQ
>
>>The conduct of some of those people was downright criminal, and represents
>>cyclists as a violent gang. Shame on them.
>
> Yeah, just like the vicious newspaper salesmen.
> What you see there is an attempt at the same thing.
the evidence filmed by cyclists? Do you say that the Met infiltrated
Youtube and inserted fake CGI yobs attacking the police officer?
You are so determined to defend this malicious bunch of saboteurs, it's as
if you welcome the additional shame they will bring upon cycling. Here's
the team song for next CM : "Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, I'm going
down the garden to eat worms"
Zapp Brannigan
Jul 31, 2012, 4:45:58 PM7/31/12
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"Nick" <Nick...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:50178438$0$46842$c3e8da3$f690...@news.astraweb.com...
> On 30/07/2012 22:35, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
>
>> Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone
>> officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen
>> cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper
>> channels.
>
> lol. If the policeman had killed her in front of the cameras "the proper
>
>> Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone
>> officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen
>> cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper
>> channels.
>
> channels" would ensure he was let off.
>
> There is very little Justice when it comes to the police.
I think that cyclists get away with too much, so I'll just deal out my own
justice in future. That's the morality you're urging us towards.
NM
Jul 31, 2012, 4:45:50 PM7/31/12
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On Jul 31, 9:36 pm, "Zapp Brannigan" <ZBr...@DOOP.com> wrote:
> "NM" <nik.mor...@mac.com> wrote in message
So you think the matter was handled well do you?
> "NM" <nik.mor...@mac.com> wrote in message
Nick
Jul 31, 2012, 5:02:19 PM7/31/12
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deal with police assaults in these circumstances.
I didn't advocate any course of action. However I would have though most
of us would support balanced proportional citizen actions aimed at
preventing crime.
If you saw a cyclist assaulting someone I would consider it perfectly
reasonable of you to try to restrain them.
GB
Jul 31, 2012, 5:40:14 PM7/31/12
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On 31/07/2012 21:38, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
>>>>>> Obstructing the police is.
>>>>>
>>>>> What if they are, as in this case, being over zealous or do you
>>>>> consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect.
>>>>
>>>> All I have seen is that single video. There is no evidence there that
>>>> the police were being over-zealous. If you have other evidence, what
>>>> is it?
>>>>
>>> The statement made by the police themselves, which cited an act that
>>> has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the
>>> police do not posess.
>>>
>> Do you have a linky?
>
> No, because he's lying. Cyclists are no more exempt from the Public
> Order Act than they are from gravity. They have a standing right in
> respect of one particular clause only, regarding prior notice of route.
I usually try to be polite, so I ask for a link rather than saying that
>>>>>> Obstructing the police is.
>>>>>
>>>>> What if they are, as in this case, being over zealous or do you
>>>>> consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect.
>>>>
>>>> All I have seen is that single video. There is no evidence there that
>>>> the police were being over-zealous. If you have other evidence, what
>>>> is it?
>>>>
>>> The statement made by the police themselves, which cited an act that
>>> has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the
>>> police do not posess.
>>>
>> Do you have a linky?
>
> No, because he's lying. Cyclists are no more exempt from the Public
> Order Act than they are from gravity. They have a standing right in
> respect of one particular clause only, regarding prior notice of route.
someone's (ahem) mistaken.
In any case, there's no evidence in that video showing what the arrest
was about. The woman being arrested may have been a mugger for all we know.
Zapp Brannigan
Jul 31, 2012, 7:15:27 PM7/31/12
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Yes, very well handled. The Met used persuasion and patience to divert as
many casual participants away from the situation, and then moved smoothly to
mop up the hardcore who were bent on trouble.
If you're referring to the specific incident on youtube, I can't usefully
comment without seeing the reason why the female cyclist was being arrested,
or the surrounding environment. Interesting that none of the
video-recording onlookers wish to release that part of the story, isn't it?
many casual participants away from the situation, and then moved smoothly to
mop up the hardcore who were bent on trouble.
If you're referring to the specific incident on youtube, I can't usefully
comment without seeing the reason why the female cyclist was being arrested,
or the surrounding environment. Interesting that none of the
video-recording onlookers wish to release that part of the story, isn't it?
Zapp Brannigan
Jul 31, 2012, 7:27:04 PM7/31/12
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deliberately dishonest. He knows the true facts, but is pursuing the Big
Lie strategy.
While Bradley Wiggins and Chris Hoy were receiving deserved applause in the
Olympic Opening, a ragtag mob of troublemakers were actively trying to
sabotage and disrupt the event. In one single vignette, that says
everything about UK cycling.
> On 31/07/2012 21:38, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Obstructing the police is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What if they are, as in this case, being over zealous or do you
>>>>>> consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect.
>>>>>
>>>>> All I have seen is that single video. There is no evidence there that
>>>>> the police were being over-zealous. If you have other evidence, what
>>>>> is it?
>>>>>
>>>> The statement made by the police themselves, which cited an act that
>>>> has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the
>>>> police do not posess.
>>>>
>>> Do you have a linky?
>>
>> No, because he's lying. Cyclists are no more exempt from the Public
>> Order Act than they are from gravity. They have a standing right in
>> respect of one particular clause only, regarding prior notice of route.
>
> I usually try to be polite, so I ask for a link rather than saying that
> someone's (ahem) mistaken.
And I would applaud your civility normally, but Phil Lee is being
>
>>>>>>> Obstructing the police is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What if they are, as in this case, being over zealous or do you
>>>>>> consider everything the uniformed police do is perfect.
>>>>>
>>>>> All I have seen is that single video. There is no evidence there that
>>>>> the police were being over-zealous. If you have other evidence, what
>>>>> is it?
>>>>>
>>>> The statement made by the police themselves, which cited an act that
>>>> has already been held not to apply to CM and claimed powers that the
>>>> police do not posess.
>>>>
>>> Do you have a linky?
>>
>> No, because he's lying. Cyclists are no more exempt from the Public
>> Order Act than they are from gravity. They have a standing right in
>> respect of one particular clause only, regarding prior notice of route.
>
> I usually try to be polite, so I ask for a link rather than saying that
> someone's (ahem) mistaken.
deliberately dishonest. He knows the true facts, but is pursuing the Big
Lie strategy.
While Bradley Wiggins and Chris Hoy were receiving deserved applause in the
Olympic Opening, a ragtag mob of troublemakers were actively trying to
sabotage and disrupt the event. In one single vignette, that says
everything about UK cycling.
JNugent
Jul 31, 2012, 7:33:17 PM7/31/12
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On 31/07/2012 22:02, Nick wrote:
> On 31/07/2012 21:45, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
>>
>> "Nick" <Nick...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:50178438$0$46842$c3e8da3$f690...@news.astraweb.com...
>>> On 30/07/2012 22:35, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone
>>>> officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen
>>>> cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper
>>>> channels.
>>>
>>> lol. If the policeman had killed her in front of the cameras "the proper
>>> channels" would ensure he was let off.
>>>
>>> There is very little Justice when it comes to the police.
>>
>> I think that cyclists get away with too much, so I'll just deal out my
>> own justice in future. That's the morality you're urging us towards.
>
> No I was just commenting on your risible claim that the proper channels
> deal with police assaults in these circumstances.
Well, let's take stock...
> On 31/07/2012 21:45, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
>>
>> "Nick" <Nick...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:50178438$0$46842$c3e8da3$f690...@news.astraweb.com...
>>> On 30/07/2012 22:35, Zapp Brannigan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ditto - a disgraceful scene of mob obstruction and assault upon a lone
>>>> officer. If he is making an unlawful arrest in front of a dozen
>>>> cameraphones then justice can be obtained later through the proper
>>>> channels.
>>>
>>> lol. If the policeman had killed her in front of the cameras "the proper
>>> channels" would ensure he was let off.
>>>
>>> There is very little Justice when it comes to the police.
>>
>> I think that cyclists get away with too much, so I'll just deal out my
>> own justice in future. That's the morality you're urging us towards.
>
> No I was just commenting on your risible claim that the proper channels
> deal with police assaults in these circumstances.
It's *your* view that the "the proper channels" fail to deal with (alleged)
police malpractice.
And because you hold that view, you claim to see nothing wrong with cyclists
assaulting police officers and obstructing them in the course of their duties.
Well... OK...
In that case, you can logically have no complaint if those who see "the
proper channels" failing to deal with cyclists' many (legion) breaches of
road traffic and other laws decide to obstruct and assault cyclists.
Or is that somehow "different"?
> I didn't advocate any course of action. However I would have though most
> of us would support balanced proportional citizen actions aimed at
> preventing crime.
> If you saw a cyclist assaulting someone I would consider it perfectly
> reasonable of you to try to restrain them.
Is it OK to try to restrain them?
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