Cyclist wins against London Tube.
Simon Mason
http://road.cc/content/news/12550-london-cyclist-blogger-takes-tube-and-wins
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Ian Jackson
Simon Mason <si...@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Another one of those transport challenges, this time tube vs. bike.
>http://road.cc/content/news/12550-london-cyclist-blogger-takes-tube-and-wins
It's nice to see bikes being faster, generally held as gospel by
cyclists, being empirically demonstrated once again.
Selection of starting and ending points for this kind of thing is
obviously critical for the results. In this case all the tube
journeys involved a change, whereas many real tube journeys don't, but
of course all the journeys started and ended at tube stops which is
also unrealistic. I'm not sure how to do better.
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Jim A
> Another one of those transport challenges, this time tube vs. bike.
>
> http://road.cc/content/news/12550-london-cyclist-blogger-takes-tube-and-wins
I'm heartened to read that Andreas did the challenge wearing ordinary
clothes. Some of these challenges seem rather contrived and don't
factor in time spent changing clothes and taking a shower after
sprinting across London.
When I lived in London in the 90's I didn't dare cycle to work - I
wasn't fit enough to dodge all the traffic.
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Judith Smith
<si...@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>Another one of those transport challenges, this time tube vs. bike.
>
>http://road.cc/content/news/12550-london-cyclist-blogger-takes-tube-and-wins
Why are cyclists obsessed by journey times?
Was the person on the tube in any danger of the actions of other road
users?
(Please fuck rather than try to introduce bombs to the discussion)
Judith Smith
<ijac...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>In article <8PudnUx3xPHEdNjW...@eclipse.net.uk>,
>Simon Mason <si...@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>Another one of those transport challenges, this time tube vs. bike.
>>http://road.cc/content/news/12550-london-cyclist-blogger-takes-tube-and-wins
>
>It's nice to see bikes being faster, generally held as gospel by
>cyclists, being empirically demonstrated once again.
Indeed - and by that totally impartial "reporter" : blogger Andreas
Kambanis of www.londoncyclist.co.uk
The Medway Handyman
> Another one of those transport challenges, this time tube vs. bike.
>
> http://road.cc/content/news/12550-london-cyclist-blogger-takes-tube-and-wins
Typical cyclotwat bollox. No factoring in the need to change trains in
order to fudge the figures, deliberate choice of routes to bias the outcome,
no factoring in the need to change & shower after all that sweaty cycling -
when he could have been in a comfy seat reading a good book.
What a load of old bollox. Just goes to show what a sad prat he must be.
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Jim A
> Why are cyclists obsessed by journey times?
Not all of share that obsession.
> Was the person on the tube in any danger of the actions of other road
> users?
No, but the lack of exercise could bring on early cardiac failure and death!
> (Please fuck rather than try to introduce bombs to the discussion)
Go "fuck" yourself, please. Bombs are inevitably going to be part of
any discussion about the perceived or actual risks in using the London
Underground in this day & age.
Simon Mason
"The Medway Handyman" <davi...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:NKu1n.23409$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> Simon Mason wrote:
>> Another one of those transport challenges, this time tube vs. bike.
>>
>> http://road.cc/content/news/12550-london-cyclist-blogger-takes-tube-and-wins
>
> Typical cyclotwat bollox. No factoring in the need to change trains in
> order to fudge the figures, deliberate choice of routes to bias the
> outcome, no factoring in the need to change & shower after all that sweaty
> cycling - when he could have been in a comfy seat reading a good book.
Exactly the same result as when the same challenge was on Top Gear, which
last time I watched had that well known "cyclotwat" Jeremy Clarkson
presenting it!
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/bicycle-wins-top-gear-race-13142
mileburner
"The Medway Handyman" <davi...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:NKu1n.23409$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Another one of those transport challenges, this time tube vs. bike.
>>
>> http://road.cc/content/news/12550-london-cyclist-blogger-takes-tube-and-wins
>
> Typical cyclotwat bollox. No factoring in the need to change trains in
> order to fudge the figures, deliberate choice of routes to bias the
> outcome, no factoring in the need to change & shower after all that sweaty
> cycling - when he could have been in a comfy seat reading a good book.
>
> What a load of old bollox. Just goes to show what a sad prat he must be.
Changing and showering is generally considered a good thing although I
accept there are a number of smelly tradesmen who fail to do this often
enough.
Tube train seats were never very comfortable. If you travel at peak times
you will not get one anyway and even if you did you would have someone's
arse in your face.
People read on the tube so that they do not need to look at or communicate
with other passengers.
Give me a bike ride any day. Even in snow.
Mas...@bp.com
> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:NKu1n.23409$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> > Simon Mason wrote:
> >> Another one of those transport challenges, this time tube vs. bike.
>
>
> > Typical cyclotwat bollox. No factoring in the need to change trains in
> > order to fudge the figures, deliberate choice of routes to bias the
> > outcome, no factoring in the need to change & shower after all that sweaty
> > cycling - when he could have been in a comfy seat reading a good book.
>
> > What a load of old bollox. Just goes to show what a sad prat he must be.
>
> Changing and showering is generally considered a good thing although I
> accept there are a number of smelly tradesmen who fail to do this often
> enough.
I get showered at home before I set off for work, which is exactly the
same as if I drove there.
I never get sweaty when riding anyway, certainly not in this weather.
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Simon Mason
d...@telent.net
> when he could have been in a comfy seat
On the Tube? Don't be so stupid
-dan
Ian Smith
> I get showered at home before I set off for work, which is exactly the
> same as if I drove there.
> I never get sweaty when riding anyway, certainly not in this weather.
I've never understood the fixation some people have with cycling and
showering. Before we got showers installed, it was the main reason
given for why people who lived close enough did not cycle (I'm not
sure what their reason is now we have showers, a changing room and
lockers).
However, I have never once heard anyone say "I would walk to work if
only there were showers", "I'd like to walk to work but we don't have
showers", "gosh - you walk to walk - do you have a shower at the
office", or any of the similar comments applied to cycling.
It seems that not only do you need lycra, a silly hat and a hi-vis
vest to cycle, you also must have a shower at your destination.
regards, Ian SMith
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David Hansen
"Mas...@BP.com" <Mas...@BP.com> wrote this:-
>I get showered at home before I set off for work, which is exactly the
>same as if I drove there.
If you went by the underground in London at peak times [1] you might
welcome showering facilities at work.
[1] and these peak time are not just a couple of hours in the
morning and afternoon.
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Rob Morley
Ian Smith <i...@astounding.org.uk> wrote:
> I've never understood the fixation some people have with cycling and
> showering. Before we got showers installed, it was the main reason
> given for why people who lived close enough did not cycle (I'm not
> sure what their reason is now we have showers, a changing room and
> lockers).
>
> However, I have never once heard anyone say "I would walk to work if
> only there were showers", "I'd like to walk to work but we don't have
> showers", "gosh - you walk to walk - do you have a shower at the
> office", or any of the similar comments applied to cycling.
>
> It seems that not only do you need lycra, a silly hat and a hi-vis
> vest to cycle, you also must have a shower at your destination.
>
It depends on the type of cycling - some will pootle, some will tour
and for some the morning commute is also a training session.
Ian Smith
Indeed, and for some the same could be said of travelling on foot - we
had one employee who cycled most days, but ran to work a couple of
times a week. If you run to work at the limit of your capability, you
probably would welcome a shower when you got there, but that doesn't
mean that it's a necessity for everyone that travels by foot.
Likewise, if you approach it a particular way, you might welcome a
shower after cycling to work, but it is not an automatic prerequisite
- it's not automatically necessary, just for having used a bicycle.
Rob Morley
Perhaps non-cyclists tend to assume that people who ride bikes do so for
sporting purposes because they can't imagine that it's practical
transport or just fun.
Mas...@bp.com
>
> I've never understood the fixation some people have with cycling and
> showering. Before we got showers installed, it was the main reason
> given for why people who lived close enough did not cycle (I'm not
> sure what their reason is now we have showers, a changing room and
> lockers).
In my experience, it's used as another excuse like too cold/too hot/
too windy/too far etc.
Put some showers in and then the excuse will shift to someting else.
--
Simon Mason
mileburner
The bottom line is that they don't want to.
Even those who say they want to but say they can't usually just don't really
want to.
But for whatever we don't want to do, it is usually quite easy to find a
Jolly Good Reason.
JNugent
Can you think of any reason for it?
JNugent
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 04:09:49 -0800 (PST) someone who may be
> "Mas...@BP.com" <Mas...@BP.com> wrote this:-
>
>> I get showered at home before I set off for work, which is exactly the
>> same as if I drove there.
>
> If you went by the underground in London at peak times [1] you might
> welcome showering facilities at work.
Indeed.
Especially the Sauna Li... er... I mean Central Line.
Judith Smith
wrote:
Now answer the question : are people on the underground at risk of the
actions of other roads users?
Which form of transport in London is the safest per passenger mile?
(Include bombs if you think it helps your case)
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Many cyclists are proving the need for registration by their contempt for the Highway Code and laws.
The answer:
All cyclists over 16 to take compulsory test, have compulsory insurance, and be registered.
Registration number to be clearly visible on the back of mandatory hi-viz vest.
Habitual law breakers' cycles confiscated and crushed.
(With thanks to KeithT for the idea)
Judith Smith
So you don't shower when you get to work then?
Do you have any close mates at work?
Judith Smith
Most people I know who cycle to work come in sweating like pigs - not
necessarily at this time of year - but yes - I have seen it this week.
If they don't shower, then they are soon smelling like pigs.
I cannot say the same for those who walk in to work.
Mas...@bp.com
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 04:09:49 -0800 (PST), "Mas...@BP.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <Mas...@BP.com> wrote:
> >On 8 Jan, 11:44, "mileburner" <milebur...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> "The Medway Handyman" <davidl...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:NKu1n.23409$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> >> > Simon Mason wrote:
> >> >> Another one of those transport challenges, this time tube vs. bike.
>
> >> >>http://road.cc/content/news/12550-london-cyclist-blogger-takes-tube-a...
>
> >> > Typical cyclotwat bollox. No factoring in the need to change trains in
> >> > order to fudge the figures, deliberate choice of routes to bias the
> >> > outcome, no factoring in the need to change & shower after all that sweaty
> >> > cycling - when he could have been in a comfy seat reading a good book.
>
> >> > What a load of old bollox. Just goes to show what a sad prat he must be.
>
> >> Changing and showering is generally considered a good thing although I
> >> accept there are a number of smelly tradesmen who fail to do this often
> >> enough.
>
> >I get showered at home before I set off for work, which is exactly the
> >same as if I drove there.
> >I never get sweaty when riding anyway, certainly not in this weather.
>
> So you don't shower when you get to work then?
No need, I get one at home. The only ones that "sweat like pigs" are
the very unfit ones.
I don't really sweat much even in the Summer, I'm quite thin and wiry.
> Do you have any close mates at work?
I don't have any close mates of any description.
--
Simon Mason
mileburner
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 04:09:49 -0800 (PST), "Mas...@BP.com"
> <Mas...@BP.com> wrote:
>>
>> I get showered at home before I set off for work, which is exactly
>> the same as if I drove there.
>> I never get sweaty when riding anyway, certainly not in this weather.
>
>
> So you don't shower when you get to work then?
>
> Do you have any close mates at work?
If you shower in the morning (properly with soap and hot water), use
deodorant and wear fresh clean clothes, you will not be stinking for at
least another 12 - 24 hours.
People who smell usually claim it is because of execise, work, a "condition"
but invariably it is because of poor personal hygiene.
It's a bit like people who are fat, are only fat because they eat too much
and do not exercise enough.
Mas...@bp.com
> Judith Smith wrote:
> > On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 04:09:49 -0800 (PST), "Mas...@BP.com"
> > <Mas...@BP.com> wrote:
>
> >> I get showered at home before I set off for work, which is exactly
> >> the same as if I drove there.
> >> I never get sweaty when riding anyway, certainly not in this weather.
>
> > So you don't shower when you get to work then?
>
> > Do you have any close mates at work?
>
> If you shower in the morning (properly with soap and hot water), use
> deodorant and wear fresh clean clothes, you will not be stinking for at
> least another 12 - 24 hours.
I also get a sauna every night before bed and keep loads of deodorants
at work that I drop off on my yearly car trip to work ( the Rotterdam
ferry happens to berth near to my work place.)
The only really sweaty people I see at work are the clinically obese
who drive to work everyday and have poor personal hygiene.
--
Simon Mason
Jeremy Parker
"mileburner" <mileb...@btinternet.com> wrote
[snip]
>> Put some showers in and then the excuse will shift to someting
>> else.
>
> The bottom line is that they don't want to.
>
> Even those who say they want to but say they can't usually just
> don't really want to.
>
> But for whatever we don't want to do, it is usually quite easy to
> find a Jolly Good Reason.
Which is why "it's too dangerous" is so useful. It must be true, or
the government would not be spending all that tax money of yours on
those helpful facilities.
The "dangerous" excuse gets even better. It is generally
acknowledged that those facilities, presumably state of the art,
still leave cycling about as dangerous as it was before, or at least,
not less dangerous. The best brains in the traffic engineering
profession are unable to mitigate the horrors which you can conceive.
It's best to take the car Hundreds of thousands of people, after
all, are happy to pay the congestion charge in preference to anything
else.
Jeremy Parker
Jeremy Parker
"Judith Smith" <judit...@live.co.uk> wrote
[snip]
> Do you have any close mates at work?
[snip]
I will not ask a follow-up question. I will not ask a follow-up
question. I will not ask a follow-up question
Jeremy Parker
Jim A
> It's best to take the car Hundreds of thousands of people, after
> all, are happy to pay the congestion charge in preference to anything
> else.
Darling, to do anything else would be to behave like a poor person!
Eeeeeuw!
The Medway Handyman
>
> I don't have any close mates of any description.
Oh what a fucking surprise.
Probably because you are a total wanker.
Mas...@bp.com
Or maybe I don't need or want any?
--
Simon Mason
Judith Smith
<Mas...@BP.com> wrote:
<snip>
> > Do you have any close mates at work?
>
>I don't have any close mates of any description.
I could not comment.
Louis Genou
> On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:04:00 -0800 (PST), "Mas...@BP.com"
>
> <Mas...@BP.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > > Do you have any close mates at work?
>
> >I don't have any close mates of any description.
>
> I could not comment.
But you still did.
--
Louis Genou
Cheesemonger to the Gentry