Scotland to host 2007 worlds
David Martin
Book your hotels now. I might even take the kids.
..d
Scotland wins biking event
Scotland has won the right to host the Mountain Bike World Championships in
September 2007.
Fort William in the Highlands will stage the event after the town beat off
competition from Canada and Australia.
It is the most prestigious competition for the disciplines of Downhill,
4-Cross and Trials, and second only to the Olympics for the Cross Country.
"This is terrific news for the Highlands and for Scotland," said Frank
McAveety, Scotland's Sports Minister.
The World Championships, run annually, will be the last major mountain bike
cross country competition before the Bejing Olympics in 2008 and a key event
for all riders.
There will be 700-plus competitors from more than 45 nations competing
across the four mountain bike disciplines, with 14 titles at stake.
The Nevis Range ski area and Leanachan Forest, Fort William, has already
successfully hosted rounds of the UCI Mountain Bike World Cup for the past
three years.
World Cup Downhill Champion Steve Peat said: "Getting the 'Worlds' in Fort
William is amazing for all the UK riders.
"It will hopefully inspire the younger group to get training and become
world champions on home soil. I know it will spur me on to win in front of
the home crowd."
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers
>
>Book your hotels now. I might even take the kids.
>
>..d
OOOOOOOOOH!
Thanks for that.
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David Martin
"dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers" <waffly...@aol.comcomcom> wrote:
>> From the BBC..
>>
>> Book your hotels now. I might even take the kids.
>>
>> ..d
>
> OOOOOOOOOH!
>
> Thanks for that.
>
And don't forget the midge repellent either...
..d
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers
>
>..d
Extra-strength DEET is my friend ;-)
soup
and said
> Fort William in the Highlands will stage the event
Would love to go but I live 90 odd miles from there, England is
'only' 60 odd miles . Mmmm mind you I could get a hotel too.
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David Hansen
<d.m.a....@dundee.ac.uk> quoted this:-
>From the BBC..
>Fort William in the Highlands will stage the event
Ah, the BBC manages to patronise again. I wonder how many are
unaware that Fort William is in the Highlands of Scotland?
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David Hansen <SENDdavi...@spidacom.co.uk> typed:
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:48:39 +0100 someone who may be David Martin
> <d.m.a....@dundee.ac.uk> quoted this:-
>
>> From the BBC..
>
>> Fort William in the Highlands will stage the event
>
> Ah, the BBC manages to patronise again. I wonder how many are
> unaware that Fort William is in the Highlands of Scotland?
Well, on that c4 programme where they taught 16yr olds in a 'sixties' style school, most of the students couldn't point out London on a UK map......
Succorso
Fancy cycling there? I reckon if we set out now, we should just make it
in time :)
--
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Ian
<knospam2...@f2s.com> wrote:
>Well, on that c4 programme where they taught 16yr olds in a 'sixties' style school, most of the students couldn't point out London on a UK map......
I didn't know that C4 was an educational institution. But considering
their main output is repeats of Friends and Frazier, I'm not
surprised. The only gem C4 has at the moment is the brilliant "Trap
Door". IMO a close runner up to Dangermouse.
soup
> surprised. The only gem C4 has at the moment is the brilliant "Trap
> Door". IMO a close runner up to Dangermouse.
Trap door ?
Martin Newstead
The woodwork teacher lives near to my parents.
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers
>in time :)
Yup - you lead, I'll have my bike attached to yours with a bungee cord. Seems
reasonable to me ;-)
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers
>> Door". IMO a close runner up to Dangermouse.
>
>Trap door ?
See
http://www.80snostalgia.com/classictv/trapdoor/
The Trap Door was great fun.
Mind you, I preferred The Herbs to anything else. Tarragon the Dragon was my
favourite.
Paul - xxx
> Scotland has won the right to host the Mountain Bike World Championships
> in September 2007.
Ho yuss, most excellent news .. ;)
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Ian
<soup...@hotmail.INVALIDcom> wrote:
>Trap door ?
set your video for 0605hrs for 10 min. on C4
Burke, Bonni & Drut - fabulous stuff!
soup
saw what was going on and said
> > Trap door ?
>
> See
>
> http://www.80snostalgia.com/classictv/trapdoor/
Was the one I thought then, didn't realise C4 were repeating it.
soup
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:37:45 GMT, "soup"
> <soup...@hotmail.INVALIDcom> wrote:
> > Trap door ?
> set your video for 0605hrs for 10 min. on C4
0605 tad to early to have the telly on (even recording)
got the two rugrats to get to school so telly is not on
till 9:00 am, possibly 7:30 if feeling up to it.
Ian
(dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote:
>Mind you, I preferred The Herbs to anything else. Tarragon the Dragon was my
>favourite.
Aw, come on...Parsley is the STAR!
Jon Senior
> Ah, the BBC manages to patronise again. I wonder how many are
> unaware that Fort William is in the Highlands of Scotland?
A quite phenominal number I should imagine. Given that for a large
proportion of my life I was unaware that it was Snowden, not Ben Nevis
that we'd visited when I was younger and was quite surprised to find
that I'd never been as far north as Edinburgh until I moved here!
I'd rather that information like that was included. It seems a little
harsh to complain about it.
Jon
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers
Huh! He was the one with his name up in lights, but the real talent was
Tarragon the Dragon. He was totally underrated! ;-)
Just zis Guy, you know?
(dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote:
>I preferred The Herbs to anything else
Pogle's Wood for me, not that anybody else seems to be able to
remember it, or maybe The Clangers.
I once worked for Peter Firmin's nephew...
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers
>remember it, or maybe The Clangers.
The pipecleaner family....
Clangers were great. The Soup Dragon was my favourite.
Gawnsoft
<norfolk...@dev.null> wrote (more or less):
>On 27 Sep 2004 19:51:40 GMT, waffly...@aol.comcomcom
>(dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote:
>
>>I preferred The Herbs to anything else
>
>Pogle's Wood for me, not that anybody else seems to be able to
>remember it,
Same here. Altho' it now looks like Helem you and I now form the
enlarged 'no one remembers Pogle's Wood' club.
>or maybe The Clangers.
>I once worked for Peter Firmin's nephew...
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Peter Clinch
> Pogle's Wood for me, not that anybody else seems to be able to
> remember it
Bread, butter and honey etc. You're not the only one! ;-)
Pete.
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Simon Brooke
you know? ('norfolk...@dev.null') wrote:
> On 27 Sep 2004 19:51:40 GMT, waffly...@aol.comcomcom
> (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote:
>
>>I preferred The Herbs to anything else
>
> Pogle's Wood for me, not that anybody else seems to be able to
> remember it, or maybe The Clangers.
Rubovia.
Pongo Pongo Pongo...
I'm showing my age.
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers
>
>Pongo Pongo Pongo...
>
>I'm showing my age.
I have no recollection of that one at all.
Just zis Guy, you know?
<p.j.c...@dundee.ac.uk> wrote:
>Bread, butter and honey etc. You're not the only one! ;-)
Bilberry woine, anyone?
Dave Larrington
> Pogle's Wood for me, not that anybody else seems to be able to
> remember it
Gah! Who could /forget/ Pogle's Wood? Certainly not those wacky funsters
at TV Cream:
"EARLY POSTGATIANA filmed entirely out of doors concerning little garden
fairy-type people who lived in a tree stump. Kind of a yokel nuclear family
plus mad, gibbering squirrel with a faintly Japanese accent. Odd stuff, but
it led to the greats..."
TV CREAM immortality rating - 6/10. PRIMITIVE STOP-MO TECHNIQUE MADE PROF.
YAFFLE LOOK POSITIVELY BALLETIC, BUT NO MATTER
> or maybe The Clangers.
I was given a "Clangers" video for my birthday a couple of years ago and
have a small Major Clanger sitting on my bedside light. When you poke him
in the tum, he speaks. In Clanger, obv. I'm told that Clangerspeak was not
just random whistling, but actually /scripted/...
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soup
going on and said
> Pogle's Wood for me, not that anybody else seems to be able to
> remember it, or maybe The Clangers.
Can more or less remember the name but had to look at
a web site to jog my memory after all they stopped televising
it when I was about 5 (born in Sept. '62).
Just zis Guy, you know?
<soup...@hotmail.INVALIDcom> wrote in message
<bti6d.154356$hZ3....@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
>> Pogle's Wood for me, not that anybody else seems to be able to
>> remember it, or maybe The Clangers.
> Can more or less remember the name but had to look at
>a web site to jog my memory after all they stopped televising
>it when I was about 5 (born in Sept. '62).
I was born in Jan. 64.
Guy
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soup
going on and said
> <soup...@hotmail.INVALIDcom> wrote in message
> <bti6d.154356$hZ3....@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
>
> > > Pogle's Wood for me, not that anybody else seems to be able to
> > > remember it, or maybe The Clangers.
>
> > Can more or less remember the name but had to look at
> > a web site to jog my memory after all they stopped televising
> > it when I was about 5 (born in Sept. '62).
>
> I was born in Jan. 64.
>
> Guy
Poogle's wood was only televised from '66 to '68
and you remember it ? Kudos.
David Hansen
waffly...@aol.comcomcom (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote
this:-
>Clangers were great. The Soup Dragon was my favourite.
Seconded.
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Just zis Guy, you know?
<soup...@hotmail.INVALIDcom> wrote in message
<5Si6d.154418$hZ3.1...@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
> Poogle's wood was only televised from '66 to '68
>and you remember it ? Kudos.
I'm sure it must have been repeated.
soup
going on and said
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:22:41 GMT, "soup"
> <soup...@hotmail.INVALIDcom> wrote in message
> <5Si6d.154418$hZ3.1...@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
>
> > Poogle's wood was only televised from '66 to '68
> > and you remember it ? Kudos.
>
> I'm sure it must have been repeated.
>
> Guy
a.. Pogle's Wood - once shown, and never repeated. Apparently the BBC
thought it "too disturbing". Weird stuff!
soup
> Just zis Guy, you know? popped their head over the parapet saw what
> was going on and said
>
> > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:22:41 GMT, "soup"
> > <soup...@hotmail.INVALIDcom> wrote in message
> > <5Si6d.154418$hZ3.1...@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
> >
> > > Poogle's wood was only televised from '66 to '68
> > > and you remember it ? Kudos.
> >
> > I'm sure it must have been repeated.
> >
> > Guy
>
>
>
> a.. Pogle's Wood - once shown, and never repeated. Apparently the BBC
> thought it "too disturbing". Weird stuff!
Addy for above :-
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stephenbalchin/bagfaq.html
Way at the bottom.
Link to Pogle's wood site thought it would appear with
the above quote but obviously not:-
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/9634/
Simon Brooke
you know? ('outloo...@microsoft.com') wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:56:07 GMT, "soup"
> <soup...@hotmail.INVALIDcom> wrote in message
> <bti6d.154356$hZ3....@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
>
>>> Pogle's Wood for me, not that anybody else seems to be able to
>>> remember it, or maybe The Clangers.
>
>> Can more or less remember the name but had to look at
>>a web site to jog my memory after all they stopped televising
>>it when I was about 5 (born in Sept. '62).
>
> I was born in Jan. 64.
Oh dear. You make me feel old...
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Graeme
news:c19il0ho8u8hnmtba...@4ax.com:
> Pogle's Wood for me, not that anybody else seems to be able to
> remember it, or maybe The Clangers.
If you can remember Pogle's Wood you weren't there :)
I'm to young for it, but I do remember a Pogle's Wood book being around the
house when I was about 4 or 5. Even the book struck me as being a bit
strange.
Graeme
Keith Willoughby
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:48:39 +0100 someone who may be David Martin
> <d.m.a....@dundee.ac.uk> quoted this:-
>
>>From the BBC..
>
>>Fort William in the Highlands will stage the event
>
> Ah, the BBC manages to patronise again. I wonder how many are
> unaware that Fort William is in the Highlands of Scotland?
Billions, I would imagine.
The BBC website is available to people outside the UK. HTH.
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We have always been at war with Eastasia
David Hansen
Willoughby <ke...@flat222.org> wrote this:-
>> Ah, the BBC manages to patronise again. I wonder how many are
>> unaware that Fort William is in the Highlands of Scotland?
>
>Billions, I would imagine.
>
>The BBC website is available to people outside the UK. HTH.
You miss the point. Those people probably have a vague idea of where
Scotland is and the BBC quite rightly said that Fort William is in
Scotland. The question is whether those who know where Scotland is
think there is more than one Fort William in Scotland and where it
is. In my view the BBC are being patronising. Scotland is a place of
towns and countryside, Fort William is one of the best known towns.
Keith Willoughby
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:16:03 +0100 someone who may be Keith
> Willoughby <ke...@flat222.org> wrote this:-
>
>>> Ah, the BBC manages to patronise again. I wonder how many are
>>> unaware that Fort William is in the Highlands of Scotland?
>>
>>Billions, I would imagine.
>>
>>The BBC website is available to people outside the UK. HTH.
>
> You miss the point. Those people probably have a vague idea of where
> Scotland is and the BBC quite rightly said that Fort William is in
> Scotland. The question is whether those who know where Scotland is
> think there is more than one Fort William in Scotland and where it
> is.
I'm pretty sure I couldn't point at Fort William on a map and get within
50 miles. Maybe the article was aimed at me?
That's besise the point. I'd imagine the journalist put it in to inform,
not to patronise. The BBC has a mandate to inform, after all. "Fort
William, which is in a place called 'The Highlands'", now that would be
patronising.
> In my view the BBC are being patronising. Scotland is a place of towns
> and countryside, Fort William is one of the best known towns.
Brecon is one of the best known towns in Wales, but I wouldn't find it
at all patronising to be told, in an article about mountain biking that
may be read by people across the world, that it's in the Brecon Beacons.
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Robert Bruce
>
> Brecon is one of the best known towns in Wales, but I wouldn't find it
> at all patronising to be told, in an article about mountain biking
> that may be read by people across the world, that it's in the Brecon
> Beacons.
<pedant intensity="extreme">
Brecon is not actually 'in' the Beacons at all, though. It's in the
upper Usk valley *between* the Beacons and Mynnydd Eppynt. Brecon *is* in
the Brecon Beacons National Park, but then so are the Black Mountains and
the Black Mountain, neither of which are in any way 'in' the Brecon Beacons.
</pedant>
Sorry.
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Jon Senior
SENDdavi...@spidacom.co.uk says...
> You miss the point. Those people probably have a vague idea of where
> Scotland is and the BBC quite rightly said that Fort William is in
> Scotland. The question is whether those who know where Scotland is
> think there is more than one Fort William in Scotland and where it
> is. In my view the BBC are being patronising. Scotland is a place of
> towns and countryside, Fort William is one of the best known towns.
In a bit of the best known countryside! Saying that it is in the
highlands conjures up images of bleak rocky countryside. Perfect MTB
country. I really think that you're taking it far too personally. It's
dangerously close to the unrational national pride that friend Graham
patronised in another thread!
Jon
Michael MacClancy
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 17:48:39 +0100 someone who may be David Martin
> <d.m.a....@dundee.ac.uk> quoted this:-
>
>>From the BBC..
>
>>Fort William in the Highlands will stage the event
>
> Ah, the BBC manages to patronise again. I wonder how many are
> unaware that Fort William is in the Highlands of Scotland?
Fewer people know (or care) anything about Scotland than you would seem to
think.
--
Michael MacClancy
Mike K Smith
> Pogle's Wood for me, not that anybody else seems to be able to
> remember it, or maybe The Clangers.
I think Sarah Kennedy was talking about Pogle's Wood on Radio 2 this
morning. I didn't hear what she was saying, I just picked out the words
'Pippin' and 'Tog'.
Haven't given it a thought in years, and suddenly it pops up on the
radio and in urc.
Gawnsoft
<soup...@hotmail.INVALIDcom> wrote (more or less):
>Just zis Guy, you know? popped their head over the parapet saw what was
>going on and said
>
>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:22:41 GMT, "soup"
>> <soup...@hotmail.INVALIDcom> wrote in message
>> <5Si6d.154418$hZ3.1...@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
>>
>> > Poogle's wood was only televised from '66 to '68
>> > and you remember it ? Kudos.
>>
>> I'm sure it must have been repeated.
>>
>> Guy
>
>
>
>a.. Pogle's Wood - once shown, and never repeated. Apparently the BBC
>thought it "too disturbing". Weird stuff!
I'm a Jun. '64-er, and I'd always assumed I'd seen at least some of
them on repeat...
My godness - I must've been watching telly from an earlier age than I
thought.
Keith Willoughby
> mae <ke...@flat222.org> wedi ysgrifennu:
Cymry Cymraeg? Fi hefyd.
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David Hansen
<jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove> wrote this:-
>I really think that you're taking it far too personally.
Actually I'm not taking at all personally. I commented on the BBC,
that is all.
David Hansen
MacClancy <her...@nospamo2.co.uk> wrote this:-
>Fewer people know (or care) anything about Scotland than you would seem to
>think.
Be careful what you presume.
MSeries
soup wrote:
> Just zis Guy, you know? popped their head over the parapet saw what
was
> going on and said
>
> > On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 19:22:41 GMT, "soup"
> > <soup...@hotmail.INVALIDcom> wrote in message
> > <5Si6d.154418$hZ3.1...@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
> >
> > > Poogle's wood was only televised from '66 to '68
> > > and you remember it ? Kudos.
> >
> > I'm sure it must have been repeated.
> >
Robert Bruce
Dw i'n dod o lundain! Ond fy nheulu i yn dod o'r Alban yn wreiddiol.
Arthur Clune
: On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:38:52 +0100 someone who may be Michael
: MacClancy <her...@nospamo2.co.uk> wrote this:-
:>Fewer people know (or care) anything about Scotland than you would seem to
:>think.
: Be careful what you presume.
I'm with Michael here. Having lived in Edinburgh and now living in York,
most people down here view anywhere north of Newcastle as Terra Incognito.
To many people "down South" Scotland is more remote and more strange than
France.
This isn't denigrating Scotland, it's an observation.
Arthur
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Peter Clinch
> To many people "down South" Scotland is more remote and more strange than
> France.
Literally as well as metaphorically if the bit of Scotland in question
isn't in the Central Belt, and if you're not flying then even if it is:
6 hours on the train from London to here, rather less than that to Paris.
Pete.
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Simon Brooke
('ke...@flat222.org') wrote:
> David Hansen wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:16:03 +0100 someone who may be Keith
>> Willoughby <ke...@flat222.org> wrote this:-
>>
>>>> Ah, the BBC manages to patronise again. I wonder how many are
>>>> unaware that Fort William is in the Highlands of Scotland?
>>>
>>>Billions, I would imagine.
>>>
>>>The BBC website is available to people outside the UK. HTH.
>>
>> You miss the point. Those people probably have a vague idea of where
>> Scotland is and the BBC quite rightly said that Fort William is in
>> Scotland. The question is whether those who know where Scotland is
>> think there is more than one Fort William in Scotland and where it
>> is.
>
> I'm pretty sure I couldn't point at Fort William on a map and get
> within 50 miles. Maybe the article was aimed at me?
Couldn't you? I'm surprised. It's right at the head of Loch Linnhe,
which in turn is an extension of the Firth of Lorne, and together they
make up one of the major distinctive features of the British coastline.
Put the other way, it's at the southeast end of the Great Glen, which
is probably the single biggest geographical feature in the British
Isles.
> Brecon is one of the best known towns in Wales, but I wouldn't find it
> at all patronising to be told, in an article about mountain biking
> that may be read by people across the world, that it's in the Brecon
> Beacons.
One would kind of expect Brecon to be in the Brecon Beacons. It would be
much more surprising to find it in the Llandudno Lumps or the Cardiff
Caldera.
Simon, been to Wales for an afternoon twenty years ago.
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Colin Blackburn
wrote:
> in message <87fz51o...@flat222.dyndns.org>, Keith Willoughby
> ('ke...@flat222.org') wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure I couldn't point at Fort William on a map and get
>> within 50 miles. Maybe the article was aimed at me?
>
> Couldn't you? I'm surprised. It's right at the head of Loch Linnhe,
> which in turn is an extension of the Firth of Lorne, and together they
> make up one of the major distinctive features of the British coastline.
> Put the other way, it's at the southeast end of the Great Glen, which
> is probably the single biggest geographical feature in the British
> Isles.
Of course it is. The point is one has to that's where it is to be able to
point at it! If you don't know it's there it doesn't matter how
distinctive a geographical feature there is pointing to it.
Colin
Simon Brooke
('aj...@york.ac.uk') wrote:
> David Hansen <SENDdavi...@spidacom.co.uk> wrote:
> : On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:38:52 +0100 someone who may be Michael
> : MacClancy <her...@nospamo2.co.uk> wrote this:-
>
> :>Fewer people know (or care) anything about Scotland than you would
> :>seem to think.
>
> : Be careful what you presume.
>
> I'm with Michael here. Having lived in Edinburgh and now living in
> York, most people down here view anywhere north of Newcastle as Terra
> Incognito.
>
> To many people "down South" Scotland is more remote and more strange
> than France.
Well, it is. London is much nearer to Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam than
it is to Edinburgh. This is why it's so silly to think the United
Kingdom is anything but an anachronism. We're in Europe, for heavens
sake, which is a union of nation states. We don't need two layers of
unions of nation states.
As nations, we're already on very divergent paths. England wants fewer
immigrants. Scotland wants more immigrants. England is deficient in
renewable energy and wants more nuclear, Scotland has a wealth of
renewable energy and doesn't want more nuclear. Scotland state funds
higher education tuition and care for the elderly, England doesn't.
Scotland has made a serious stab at Land Reform, England won't. And so
on, and so on. England feels closer to France because England *is*
closer to France, intellectually and politically as well as
geographically. Scotland feels closer to Scandinavia because Scotland
*is* closer to Scandinavia.
--
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I shall continue to be an impossible person so long as those
who are now possible remain possible -- Michael Bakunin
Tim Hall
<norfolk...@dev.null> wrote:
>On 27 Sep 2004 19:51:40 GMT, waffly...@aol.comcomcom
>(dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) wrote:
>
>>I preferred The Herbs to anything else
>
>Pogle's Wood for me, not that anybody else seems to be able to
>remember it,
Pshaw! Pogles Wood, course we remember it. Blueberry wine featured
quite heavily.
Tim
--
Blue Witch laughed at me
Ian Smith
> To many people "down South" Scotland is more remote and more
> strange than France.
Since, to very many people "down south", Scotland _is_ more remote
than France (ie, literally), this seems an entirely reasonable thing
for them to believe.
regards, Ian SMith
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Just zis Guy, you know?
>To many people "down South" Scotland is more remote and more strange than
>France.
I'm with Ian on this. I used to go to Brussels regularly; it took
less time door-to-door than going to Glasgow.
Guy
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James Annan
> Put the other way, it's at the southeast end of the Great Glen, which
Southeast??? Which end is that then, the southern one or the eastern one?
:-)
James
--
If I have seen further than others, it is
by treading on the toes of giants.
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Graham
"Jon Senior" <jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bc480ea7...@news.clara.net...
Irrational you mean ? You don't know anything about my nationality never
mind my national pride.
Graham
Keith Willoughby
> in message <87fz51o...@flat222.dyndns.org>, Keith Willoughby
> ('ke...@flat222.org') wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure I couldn't point at Fort William on a map and get
>> within 50 miles. Maybe the article was aimed at me?
>
> Couldn't you? I'm surprised.
Well, it maybe one of the more important towns in Scotland, but that
means nothing to me. I mean, it's not a total lack of geographical
knowledge; I could point at Basra or Bergen, because I have cause to
know of them.
> It's right at the head of Loch Linnhe, which in turn is an extension
> of the Firth of Lorne, and together they make up one of the major
> distinctive features of the British coastline. Put the other way,
> it's at the southeast end of the Great Glen, which is probably the
> single biggest geographical feature in the British Isles.
If you'd said "at the end of the big gappy bit on the left", I'd know
where you meant, because I do roughly know the shape of Scotland.
As it happens, I couldn't have got within 150 miles of it, because I
thought it was on the sticky-out bit on the right.
--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
It's worse than Benny Hill, and that's bad enough
Keith Willoughby
> mae <ke...@flat222.org> wedi ysgrifennu:
>> Robert Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> mae <ke...@flat222.org> wedi ysgrifennu:
>>
>> Cymry Cymraeg? Fi hefyd.
>
> Dw i'n dod o lundain! Ond fy nheulu i yn dod o'r Alban yn wreiddiol.
! O le mae'r Cymraeg yn dod, felly?
--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
"You've sunk my battleship!"
Keith Willoughby
> Ebe "Robert Bruce" <willbedelet...@analytical-dynamics.co.uk>:
>> Dw i'n dod o lundain! Ond fy nheulu i yn dod o'r Alban yn wreiddiol.
>
> Ddaethon nhw ar gefn beic?
Tair ohonno ni! Bron cymaint am 'team pursuit' (tim pyrsiwt?)
--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
"Gehrig had one advantage over me. He was a better ballplayer."
- Gil Hodges
Robert Bruce
> Robert Bruce wrote:
>
>> Dw i'n dod o lundain! Ond fy nheulu i yn dod o'r Alban yn wreiddiol.
>
> ! O le mae'r Cymraeg yn dod, felly?
Dw i'n byw yn Sir Faesyfed nawr, ac fy merch i yn mynd i'r Cylch Meithrin.
Felly dw i'n dysgu Cymraeg.
Robert Bruce
> Ebe "Robert Bruce" <willbedelet...@analytical-dynamics.co.uk>:
>> Dw i'n dod o lundain! Ond fy nheulu i yn dod o'r Alban yn wreiddiol.
>
Ar feic o'r Alban i Lundain? Naddo!
Dave Larrington
> Please keep conversations in the newsgroup so
> that all may contribute and benefit.
That is, provided they speak the language ;-)
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David Martin
<willbedelet...@analytical-dynamics.co.uk> wrote:
> mae <Gerain...@wolfson.oxford.ac.uk.invalid> wedi ysgrifennu:
>> Ebe "Robert Bruce" <willbedelet...@analytical-dynamics.co.uk>:
>>> Dw i'n dod o lundain! Ond fy nheulu i yn dod o'r Alban yn wreiddiol.
>>
>> Ddaethon nhw ar gefn beic?
>
> Ar feic o'r Alban i Lundain? Naddo!
Sudafed and paracetamol can be quite good for that..
..d
Gawnsoft
wrote (more or less):
>in message <cjejqt$bhl$1...@pump1.york.ac.uk>, Arthur Clune
>('aj...@york.ac.uk') wrote:
>
>> David Hansen <SENDdavi...@spidacom.co.uk> wrote:
>> : On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:38:52 +0100 someone who may be Michael
>> : MacClancy <her...@nospamo2.co.uk> wrote this:-
>>
>> :>Fewer people know (or care) anything about Scotland than you would
>> :>seem to think.
>>
>> : Be careful what you presume.
>>
>> I'm with Michael here. Having lived in Edinburgh and now living in
>> York, most people down here view anywhere north of Newcastle as Terra
>> Incognito.
>>
>> To many people "down South" Scotland is more remote and more strange
>> than France.
>
>Well, it is. London is much nearer to Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam than
>it is to Edinburgh. This is why it's so silly to think the United
>Kingdom is anything but an anachronism. We're in Europe, for heavens
>sake, which is a union of nation states. We don't need two layers of
>unions of nation states.
>
>As nations, we're already on very divergent paths. England wants fewer
>immigrants. Scotland wants more immigrants. England is deficient in
>renewable energy and wants more nuclear, Scotland has a wealth of
>renewable energy and doesn't want more nuclear.
Partly because it's already almost impossible to have /more/ nuclear
in Scotland.
>Scotland state funds
>higher education tuition and care for the elderly, England doesn't.
>Scotland has made a serious stab at Land Reform, England won't. And so
>on, and so on. England feels closer to France because England *is*
>closer to France, intellectually and politically as well as
>geographically. Scotland feels closer to Scandinavia because Scotland
>*is* closer to Scandinavia.
--
Gawnsoft
<i...@astounding.org.uk> wrote (more or less):
>On 29 Sep 2004 15:19:57 GMT, Arthur Clune <aj...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> To many people "down South" Scotland is more remote and more
>> strange than France.
>
>Since, to very many people "down south", Scotland _is_ more remote
>than France (ie, literally), this seems an entirely reasonable thing
>for them to believe.
Yep - it was (after accounting for the tidal flow of traffic out of
London on a Friday, and into London on a Sunday night), a 10-12 hour
drive back to the Central belt from Heathrow. (For folk coming to
visit us /from/ Scotland, it remained a 7-8 hour drive in either
direction).
I could get to drive to a ferry port and get to France in a fraction
of that time.
For me, the fact I could easily spend dreary winter weekends in
northern France was one of the major plus points about living darn
Sarth.
David Martin
Smith" <i...@astounding.org.uk> wrote:
> On 29 Sep 2004 15:19:57 GMT, Arthur Clune <aj...@york.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> To many people "down South" Scotland is more remote and more
>> strange than France.
>
> Since, to very many people "down south", Scotland _is_ more remote
> than France (ie, literally), this seems an entirely reasonable thing
> for them to believe.
When I talk to my southern (of England) friends, it becomes apparent that
they view Scotland as a small lump just over the border from Newcastle.
Speaking to the locals up here, it becomes apparent that they see England as
a small, smelly, overpopulated lump too close over the border from
Dumfries..
Explaining to them that getting to Dundee from the border is similar in
distance to getting from the south coast to Manchester (the North? give me a
break, it's barely half way up England) and they think we must be living
somewhere a stones throw from Cape Wrath.
..d
Gawnsoft
<d.m.a....@dundee.ac.uk> wrote (more or less):
Yeas - explaining that, if you overlay the countries, the South tip of
the Scottish mainland would reach about half-way between Oxford and
London only has an eye-opening effect on folk in the South-East if
they realise that Watford isn't half-way to the border...
David Hansen
<si...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote this:-
>England feels closer to France because England *is*
>closer to France, intellectually and politically as well as
>geographically. Scotland feels closer to Scandinavia because Scotland
>*is* closer to Scandinavia.
Geographically, that rather depends on which part of England or
Scotland one is considering.
Intellectually and politically, it is too late to discuss.
David Hansen
<xlu...@users.sourceforge.remove.this.antispam.net> wrote this:-
>>England is deficient in
>>renewable energy and wants more nuclear, Scotland has a wealth of
>>renewable energy and doesn't want more nuclear.
>
>Partly because it's already almost impossible to have /more/ nuclear
>in Scotland.
Why?
David Hansen
<d.m.a....@dundee.ac.uk> wrote this:-
>When I talk to my southern (of England) friends, it becomes apparent that
>they view Scotland as a small lump just over the border from Newcastle.
I think I have not related this tale in this group before.
After a meeting in Edinburgh one morning 15 odd years ago a
colleague from London announced that he was going to pop to
Benbecula that afternoon. I assume he thought he would just jump on
a train for an hour or so to get there. It was explained to him that
this would not be possible. The aeroplane would leave Glasgow before
he could get there, so he would have to spend a night in Edinburgh
or Glasgow to get the aeroplane tomorrow. The aeroplane was only on
the ground for a short time, so he would have to spend the next
night on the island. He could then go back to London the day after.
The last I heard of him he was contacting his boss in London to
explain.
I once supervised the installation of computers across Scotland,
from Saxa Vord (on the northernmost Shetland island) to
Kirkcudbright (south of Carlisle) and many places between. As we
travelled for yet another day a colleague, who earlier in his career
installed electricity in the Western Isles and had some great
stories to tell about this, remarked that people from SE England had
no comprehension of the distances involved.
Perhaps the best illustration was someone I sent off one lunch time
from Edinburgh. That evening she reached Ullapool. The next morning
she got on the ferry and reached the office in Stornoway at lunch
time. Setting up and training was that afternoon. The next day she
spent the morning training and got back to Ullapool for the evening.
The next lunch time she got back to Edinburgh. I gather all the
evenings/nights were spent in the sort of activities the West Coast
is noted for. Quite right too, I was jealous.
Colin McKenzie
> mae <Gerain...@wolfson.oxford.ac.uk.invalid> wedi ysgrifennu:
>>Ebe "Robert Bruce" <willbedelet...@analytical-dynamics.co.uk>:
>>> Dw i'n dod o lundain! Ond fy nheulu i yn dod o'r Alban yn wreiddiol.
>>Ddaethon nhw ar gefn beic?
> Ar feic o'r Alban i Lundain? Naddo!
>
>and benefit.
I don't think it will help in this case - this conversation is
completely beyond me!
Colin McKenzie
--
The great advantage of not trusting statistics is that
it leaves you free to believe the damned lies instead!
Whingin' Pom
<ne...@proof-read.co.uk> () wrote:
>Robert Bruce wrote:
>> mae <Gerain...@wolfson.oxford.ac.uk.invalid> wedi ysgrifennu:
>>>Ebe "Robert Bruce" <willbedelet...@analytical-dynamics.co.uk>:
>>>> Dw i'n dod o lundain! Ond fy nheulu i yn dod o'r Alban yn wreiddiol.
>>>Ddaethon nhw ar gefn beic?
>> Ar feic o'r Alban i Lundain? Naddo!
>>
> >Please keep conversations in the newsgroup so that all may contribute
> >and benefit.
>
>I don't think it will help in this case - this conversation is
>completely beyond me!
I've tried ROT13ing it without any luck.
--
Matt K.
"The following statement is not true:"
Colin Blackburn
<SENDdavi...@spidacom.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:25:16 +0100 someone who may be David Martin
> <d.m.a....@dundee.ac.uk> wrote this:-
>
>> When I talk to my southern (of England) friends, it becomes apparent
>> that
>> they view Scotland as a small lump just over the border from Newcastle.
[...]
> I once supervised the installation of computers across Scotland,
> from Saxa Vord (on the northernmost Shetland island) to
> Kirkcudbright (south of Carlisle) and many places between. As we
> travelled for yet another day a colleague, who earlier in his career
> installed electricity in the Western Isles and had some great
> stories to tell about this, remarked that people from SE England had
> no comprehension of the distances involved.
I don't think just applies to their perception of Scotland. Some people in
the SE of England have very little idea of the rest of England. My partner
works in the press office for a large organisation at a regional level.
She often has to place national stories with a regional angle in the
appropriate regional papers. Sometimes the central press people in London
decide they know better and for the sake of a few quid bypass the regioanl
press office. On one such occasion a few months ago they were targetting
the NE of England, they looked in a press directory under "North of
England" for a list of newspapers and duly sent out the story to Lincoln's
daily paper. They really had no idea it was not in the NE of England.
> Perhaps the best illustration was someone I sent off one lunch time
> from Edinburgh. That evening she reached Ullapool. The next morning
> she got on the ferry and reached the office in Stornoway at lunch
> time. Setting up and training was that afternoon. The next day she
> spent the morning training and got back to Ullapool for the evening.
> The next lunch time she got back to Edinburgh. I gather all the
> evenings/nights were spent in the sort of activities the West Coast
> is noted for. Quite right too, I was jealous.
Me too.
Colin
Simon Brooke
> Robert Bruce wrote:
>> mae <Gerain...@wolfson.oxford.ac.uk.invalid> wedi ysgrifennu:
>>>Ebe "Robert Bruce"
>>><willbedelet...@analytical-dynamics.co.uk>:
>>>> Dw i'n dod o lundain! Ond fy nheulu i yn dod o'r Alban yn
>>>> wreiddiol.
>>>Ddaethon nhw ar gefn beic?
>> Ar feic o'r Alban i Lundain? Naddo!
>>
> >Please keep conversations in the newsgroup so that all may
> >contribute and benefit.
This isn't en.rec.cycling, it's uk.rec.cycling. Welsh (like Gaelic) is
both a native and an official language of the UK, albeit one I
personally don't happen to understand. If you're saying you want to
impose an 'English only' rule, might I suggest that the appropriate
place might be a uk.local.england.rec.cycling newsgroup, or similar? To
propose it here smacks of hegemony and imperialism at its most
distasteful.
--
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...but have you *seen* the size of the world wide spider?
Colin Blackburn
wrote:
> Someone wrote (the references seem to have got a bit tangled)
>
>> Robert Bruce wrote:
>>> mae <Gerain...@wolfson.oxford.ac.uk.invalid> wedi ysgrifennu:
>>>> Ebe "Robert Bruce"
>>>> <willbedelet...@analytical-dynamics.co.uk>:
>>>>> Dw i'n dod o lundain! Ond fy nheulu i yn dod o'r Alban yn
>>>>> wreiddiol.
>>>> Ddaethon nhw ar gefn beic?
>>> Ar feic o'r Alban i Lundain? Naddo!
>>>
>> >Please keep conversations in the newsgroup so that all may
>> >contribute and benefit.
>
> This isn't en.rec.cycling, it's uk.rec.cycling. Welsh (like Gaelic) is
> both a native and an official language of the UK, albeit one I
> personally don't happen to understand. If you're saying you want to
> impose an 'English only' rule, might I suggest that the appropriate
> place might be a uk.local.england.rec.cycling newsgroup, or similar? To
> propose it here smacks of hegemony and imperialism at its most
> distasteful.
The poster was quoting Robert Bruce's sig. I think there was a touch or
irony in there.
Colin
Jon Senior
si...@jasmine.org.uk says...
> Someone wrote (the references seem to have got a bit tangled)
>
> > Robert Bruce wrote:
> >> mae <Gerain...@wolfson.oxford.ac.uk.invalid> wedi ysgrifennu:
> >>>Ebe "Robert Bruce"
> >>><willbedelet...@analytical-dynamics.co.uk>:
> >>>> Dw i'n dod o lundain! Ond fy nheulu i yn dod o'r Alban yn
> >>>> wreiddiol.
> >>>Ddaethon nhw ar gefn beic?
> >> Ar feic o'r Alban i Lundain? Naddo!
> >>
> > >Please keep conversations in the newsgroup so that all may
> > >contribute and benefit.
>
> This isn't en.rec.cycling, it's uk.rec.cycling. Welsh (like Gaelic) is
> both a native and an official language of the UK, albeit one I
> personally don't happen to understand. If you're saying you want to
> impose an 'English only' rule, might I suggest that the appropriate
> place might be a uk.local.england.rec.cycling newsgroup, or similar? To
> propose it here smacks of hegemony and imperialism at its most
> distasteful.
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Michael MacClancy
> On one such occasion a few months ago they were targetting
> the NE of England, they looked in a press directory under "North of
> England" for a list of newspapers and duly sent out the story to Lincoln's
> daily paper. They really had no idea it was not in the NE of England.
>
Perhaps they'd also seen this article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2271925.stm
I don't know how one defines The North, The North-East etc when talking
about regions because the compass terms really refer to directions and not
areas. I suppose it means 'to the North-East' etc.
The map in the article shows quite clearly that Lincolnshire is to the
North-East of England's geographical centre and where you live to be to the
North.
Perhaps peoples' notions about these expressions are based on the usual
mapping projection of the British Isles which makes Edinburgh look as if
it's East of Cardiff, when it's not.
--
Michael MacClancy
Colin Blackburn
<her...@nospamo2.co.uk> wrote:
> Perhaps they'd also seen this article:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2271925.stm
>
> I don't know how one defines The North, The North-East etc when talking
> about regions because the compass terms really refer to directions and
> not
> areas. I suppose it means 'to the North-East' etc.
>
> The map in the article shows quite clearly that Lincolnshire is to the
> North-East of England's geographical centre and where you live to be to
> the
> North.
>
> Perhaps peoples' notions about these expressions are based on the usual
> mapping projection of the British Isles which makes Edinburgh look as if
> it's East of Cardiff, when it's not.
Perhaps they are but in this case the story was about the NE of England as
defined by the regional assembly vote in November, ie the administrative
counties of County Durham, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear and Cleveland.
These people understood the Lincoln (Gazette or whatever) to cover those
counties. They didn't seem to appreciate that Lincoln was in Lincolnshire
and Lincolnshire wasn't one of the above.
Interesting map nonetheless. Ta.
Colin
Simon Brooke
('jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove') wrote:
> I think that you forgot a smiley here! I've put one it for your
Yeah, slightly the wrong side of the bed, wasn't it?
Still, you know, on a UK group, the fact that I don't happen to speak
Welsh is my problem, not Rob's or Geraint's.
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Gawnsoft
<SENDdavi...@spidacom.co.uk> wrote (more or less):
>On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:10:58 GMT someone who may be Gawnsoft
><xlu...@users.sourceforge.remove.this.antispam.net> wrote this:-
>
>>>England is deficient in
>>>renewable energy and wants more nuclear, Scotland has a wealth of
>>>renewable energy and doesn't want more nuclear.
>>
>>Partly because it's already almost impossible to have /more/ nuclear
>>in Scotland.
>
>Why?
Because we have so much of it already (~40% iirc)
This brings two practical difficulties -
1) where would we find to put any more nuclear boilers?
2) who'll burn all the electricity generated at times of low
demand? (Nuclear stations are even slower than coal-fired stations to
respond to changes in demand.)
Traditionally we've overcome the second point basically by generating
power for the English marketplace, but the more that nuclear plants
are seen as a way for the English to get their nuclear electricity by
siting all their nuclear power stations in Scotland, the more point 1
comes into play.
Gawnsoft
Yes - the most westerly point on the British mainland is in Scotland
(Ardnamurchan Point), not the SE of England.
Ambrose Nankivell
>
> Yes - the most westerly point on the British mainland is in Scotland
> (Ardnamurchan Point), not the SE of England.
>
A
Ian Smith
> Yes - the most westerly point on the British mainland is in Scotland
> (Ardnamurchan Point), not the SE of England.
Err, does anyone think it might be in the SE? Even the most parochial
Londoner I know has heard of Wales, and knows vaguely where it lies,
for example.
(Incidently, what illustration would a journalist use if they were
talking about teh size of Wales? "Wales, a region of teh United
Kingdom about teh size of Wales...")
regards, Ian SMith
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Colin Blackburn
wrote:
> (Incidently, what illustration would a journalist use if they were
> talking about teh size of Wales? "Wales, a region of teh United
> Kingdom about teh size of Wales...")
"Wales, a country of the United Kingdom about the size of another country
that might elsewhere be described as being about the size of Wales."
Colin
Gawnsoft
<first...@gmail.com> wrote (more or less):
Woops! I did, of course, mean 'SW'. A bit of a capture error.
Dave Larrington
Since the traditional unit of area used when discussing destruction of rain
forests is the Belgium, it might be described as "2/3 of a Belgium".
(dies)
Keith Willoughby
I like that! Is it original to you?
(On the same lines, I once saw the question "How did they measure the
size of hailstones before golf was invented?")
--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
But on the other side, It didn't say nothing.
That side was made for you and me.
Just zis Guy, you know?
wrote:
>Since the traditional unit of area used when discussing destruction of rain
>forests is the Belgium, it might be described as "2/3 of a Belgium".
Wash your keyboard out with soap and water, young Larrington. B*lg**m
indeed! This is a family newsgroup!
Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
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Keith Willoughby
> Colin Blackburn wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:24:38 +0000 (UTC), Ian Smith
>> <i...@astounding.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> (Incidently, what illustration would a journalist use if they were
>>> talking about teh size of Wales? "Wales, a region of teh United
>>> Kingdom about teh size of Wales...")
>>
>> "Wales, a country of the United Kingdom about the size of another
>> country that might elsewhere be described as being about the size of
>> Wales."
>
> I like that! Is it original to you?
Dunno how I managed to not read the bit above that I left in. Ignore me.
--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
"If any question why we died,
Tell them, because our fathers lied."
Gawnsoft
Gerain...@wolfson.oxford.ac.uk (Geraint Jones) wrote (more or
less):
>"Colin Blackburn" <colin.b...@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>( "Wales, a country of the United Kingdom about the size of another country
> ) that might elsewhere be described as being about the size of Wales."
>
>Pah, as eny fule kno, it's about twice the size of the Falkland Islands.
>If you think your audience thinks they're called the Malvinas, you expect
>them already to know how big it is.
"The Malvinas, an island group about half as large as Cymric-speaking
Patagonia, ..."
Simon Brooke
('xlu...@users.sourceforge.remove.this.antispam.net') wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:54:47 +0100, David Hansen
> <SENDdavi...@spidacom.co.uk> wrote (more or less):
>
>>On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:10:58 GMT someone who may be Gawnsoft
>><xlu...@users.sourceforge.remove.this.antispam.net> wrote this:-
>>
>>>>England is deficient in
>>>>renewable energy and wants more nuclear, Scotland has a wealth of
>>>>renewable energy and doesn't want more nuclear.
>>>
>>>Partly because it's already almost impossible to have /more/ nuclear
>>>in Scotland.
>>
>>Why?
>
> Because we have so much of it already (~40% iirc)
>
> This brings two practical difficulties -
>
> 1) where would we find to put any more nuclear boilers?
>
> 2) who'll burn all the electricity generated at times of low
> demand? (Nuclear stations are even slower than coal-fired stations to
> respond to changes in demand.)
Currently the amount of electricity we export to England is equal to the
output from Torness. Chapelcross is no longer producing electricity.
When did Hunterston last supply anything to the grid?
I mean, exporting power may help the balance of payments, but we don't
actually need these things.
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si...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
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Simon Brooke
you know? ('norfolk...@dev.null') wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:31:44 +0100, "Dave Larrington" <m...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Since the traditional unit of area used when discussing destruction of
>>rain forests is the Belgium, it might be described as "2/3 of a
>>Belgium".
>
> Wash your keyboard out with soap and water, young Larrington. B*lg**m
> indeed! This is a family newsgroup!
And none of your blasted gargling!
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si...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
There's nae Gods, an there's precious few heroes
but there's plenty on the dole in th Land o th Leal;
And it's time now, tae sweep the future clear o
th lies o a past that we know wis never real.
Sandy Morton
Hunterston A is being decommisioned.
Hunterston B is still very active in supplying power.
Both are just outside my window:-(
--
A T (Sandy) Morton
on the Bicycle Island
In the Global Village
http://www.millport.net
Duncan Gray
"Simon Brooke" <si...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote in message
news:37c032-...@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
Plans are afoot for a massive upgrading of the electricity transmission
lines from the Highlands to increase the flow supplied to England. The main
interconnector runs from Beauly to Denny, currently rated at 132kV (whatever
that means). The plan is to replace this with a 400kV line, doubling the
size of the pylons and breaking some new ground as they do so. Additionaly,
a second line, this time all new, is planned to run from Beauly to Ullapool,
to transmit power generated in the Western Isles. The official line is that
this in necessary for all the new "renewable energy" which will flow from
the Highlands.
Can't help thinking that after the after the 20 or so year lifespan of the
windfarms, the question of what to do now with the transmission line will be
answered "lets build a nuclear plant on the Western Isles".
I'm not particularly opposed to nuclear energy, but if you have to build
these things, build them near their markets, and save ripping up wilderness
land.
--
Duncan Gray
www.duncolm.co.uk
also The Mountaineering Council of Scotland
www.mountaineering-scotland.org.uk