The great Christian shutdown.
Doug
around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is the
legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
"CHRISTMAS DAY MONDAY 25 DECEMBER
London Underground No services, all stations closed.
Buses No daytime or Night buses.
Docklands Light Railway No service.
Tramlink No service.
Riverboats No service.
National Rail No service.
Gatwick Express Has replacement coaches between Victoria and Gatwick.
Heathrow Express Has replacement coaches between Heathrow and
Paddington.
Taxis If you can find one the black cabs add an extra £4 Christmas Day
charge to the fare."
To this you can add many shops shut, virtually no pubs open and lots
of other services non-existent.
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webreader
Doug, the person with no friends, starts his anti Christmas rant.
WSR
Adrian
saying:
> If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get around
> on Christmas Day in London.
So?
> I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
Yes, they are. So?
BTW, you might be interested to know that stores predominately selling
"cycle supplies and accessories" are explicitly excluded from the
enforced closure, as per the Sunday Trading Act 1994.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/Acts/acts2004/ukpga_20040026_en_1
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1994/ukpga_19940020_en_1
Anyway, I thought - as an anti-business "anarchist" - you hated
supermarkets, pubs, and "large shops"?
Doug
> On Nov 27, 8:19 am, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get
> > around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
> > such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is the
> > legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
>
> > "CHRISTMAS DAY MONDAY 25 DECEMBER
> > London Underground No services, all stations closed.
> > Buses No daytime or Night buses.
> > Docklands Light Railway No service.
> > Tramlink No service.
> > Riverboats No service.
> > National Rail No service.
> > Gatwick Express Has replacement coaches between Victoria and Gatwick.
> > Heathrow Express Has replacement coaches between Heathrow and
> > Paddington.
> > Taxis If you can find one the black cabs add an extra £4 Christmas Day
> > charge to the fare."
>
> > To this you can add many shops shut, virtually no pubs open and lots
> > of other services non-existent.
>
>
>
similarly inconvenienced cyclists on Christmas day on my bicycle,
though whether cycle rescue services will be operating is a moot
point.
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www.zing.icom43.net
One man's democracy is another man's religious regime.
Doug
> Doug <jag...@riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
>
> > If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get around
> > on Christmas Day in London.
>
> So?
>
>
> > I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
>
> Yes, they are. So?
>
>
> BTW, you might be interested to know that stores predominately selling
> "cycle supplies and accessories" are explicitly excluded from the
> enforced closure, as per the Sunday Trading Act 1994.
>
>
> Anyway, I thought - as an anti-business "anarchist" - you hated
> supermarkets, pubs, and "large shops"?
>
infrastructure in what may be laughingly described as a 'democracy'.
--
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www.zing.icom43.net
One man's democracy is another man's religious regime.
Doug
> saying:
>
> > If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get around
> > on Christmas Day in London.
>
> So?
>
> > I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
>
> Yes, they are. So?
>
> BTW, you might be interested to know that stores predominately selling
> "cycle supplies and accessories" are explicitly excluded from the
> enforced closure, as per the Sunday Trading Act 1994.
>
>
> Anyway, I thought - as an anti-business "anarchist" - you hated
> supermarkets, pubs, and "large shops"?
>
http://www.southwarkcyclists.org.uk/social.shtml#now
And of course Critical Mass, as the day happens to coincide with the
last Friday of the month.
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One man's democracy is another man's religious regime.
Djornsk
What on earth are cycle rescue services? Is that a tow truck? - I
remember having a pump and puncture repair kit on my bike.
j
Vicko Zoomba
Because we live in a Christian country. If you don't want to live here
then fuck off.
McKevvy
Vicko Zoomba
Will you be cycling to church to celebrate the birth of Christ?
McKevvy
Vicko Zoomba
> On 27 Nov, 08:30, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote:> Doug <jag...@riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> > saying:
>
> > > If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get around
> > > on Christmas Day in London.
>
> > So?
>
> Its incredibly repressive.
>
> > > I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
>
> > Yes, they are. So?
>
> So why is a religion allowed to do this?
>
Why is a religion allowed to slaughter animals for food in the most
inhuman and painful manner "in this enlighted age" [your quote]
McKevvy
Vicko Zoomba
I was wondering that too. Perhaps the Hallowed Doug might care to
enlighten us?
McKevvy
Tony Dragon
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, how will we survive?
--
Tony Dragon
Adrian
saying:
>> BTW, you might be interested to know that stores predominately selling
>> "cycle supplies and accessories" are explicitly excluded from the
>> enforced closure, as per the Sunday Trading Act 1994.
No comment on that bit, eh?
>> Anyway, I thought - as an anti-business "anarchist" - you hated
>> supermarkets, pubs, and "large shops"?
> What I hate is legalised religious interference with an important
> infrastructure in what may be laughingly described as a 'democracy'.
ITYM "What I hate _even more_..."
mileburner
> Because we live in a Christian country.
I thought we were fortunate to live in a non-secular country?
Those who play the "This is a Christian County" card, tend to forget that
Christianity has only been around here since around 700AD when the Italians
brought it here and insisted that the local people practice it.
Before that, we were a Pagan country.
However, religion and government are (thankfully) quite separate.
Perhaps all the Christians should piss off back to Rome :-)
martin
You must be a christian, I can just feel all that christian lurve you
have for your fellow man.
>
> McKevvy
Adrian
saying:
>> Doug, the person with no friends, starts his anti Christmas rant.
> You are wrong, as usual. I am planning to be out and about with other
> similarly inconvenienced cyclists on Christmas day on my bicycle
Which doesn't seem to contradict the previous statement. Unless, of
course, you regard these "similarly inconvenienced cyclists" as friends.
If so, why not refer to them as such?
> though whether cycle rescue services will be operating is a moot point.
They're not legally barred from doing so, so would only be closed through
their own choice. The motoring roadside services will be operating.
Anyway, is your bicycle that unreliable that it's a big deal to you?
Adrian
saying:
> And of course Critical Mass, as the day happens to coincide with the
> last Friday of the month.
Well, at least that's one month that Critical Mess won't cause their
usual utter chaos and disruption.
martin
> What I hate is legalised religious interference with an important
> infrastructure in what may be laughingly described as a 'democracy'.
Just this once I'm going to totally agree with you.
What's worse is that some people get into the upper house simply because
of their religion and jobs held in a religious organization. When Blair
and his crowd wanted Lords reform that is where they should have started
get rid of the bishops who are there through no merit of their own only
the jobs they held.
Adrian
like they were saying:
>> Because we live in a Christian country.
> I thought we were fortunate to live in a non-secular country?
Nope.
> However, religion and government are (thankfully) quite separate.
Not in the UK, they aren't.
In other countries - France, f'rexample, they are - but the UK still has
an established church, headed by the head of state. There's also direct
and established religious input to government, through senior CofE
bishops having automatic seats in the House of Lords.
martin
> Vicko Zoomba wrote:
>
>> Because we live in a Christian country.
>
> I thought we were fortunate to live in a non-secular country?
Not in if you live in the UK you don't. The UK has an established church.
> However, religion and government are (thankfully) quite separate.
Not in the UK it isn't.
Do you live in the UK or know anything about it?
Adrian
saying:
>> What I hate is legalised religious interference with an important
>> infrastructure in what may be laughingly described as a 'democracy'.
> Just this once I'm going to totally agree with you.
Of course, one thing seems to be forgotten.
Xmas day might not be a "running day" for public transport, but that
doesn't mean it's completely closed down - quite the opposite, with a lot
of infrastructure maintenance scheduled for that time.
If not then, when?
mileburner
Give it a few hundred years and there will be the same type of bigots
arguing that "This is a Muslim county".
Keitht
Especially the corner shops run by people other than Christians?
If so then you fuck off, two-faced twat.
--
Its never too late to reinvent the bicycle
Keitht
And those that are outside the U.K. and ship the meat over here to be
sold as 'British'.
You really don't have a clue about religion or commerce, do you?
Tony Dragon
And they wont be able to use PT to get there, but on the other hand Doug
will not be able to report 'A bus rammed a CM cyclist' He will be most
disappointed.
--
Tony Dragon
Doug
> remember having a pump and puncture repair kit on my bike.
>
http://www.eta.co.uk/breakdown/cycle_rescue
Doug
> Vicko Zoomba wrote:
> > Because we live in a Christian country.
>
> I thought we were fortunate to live in a non-secular country?
>
religious fanatics be allowed to exert so much power over the rest of
us?
>
> Those who play the "This is a Christian County" card, tend to forget that
> Christianity has only been around here since around 700AD when the Italians
> brought it here and insisted that the local people practice it.
>
> Before that, we were a Pagan country.
>
> However, religion and government are (thankfully) quite separate.
>
>
> Perhaps all the Christians should piss off back to Rome :-)
>
brainwash our children and force the shutdown of an essential
infrastructure during holiday periods.
Doug
Christmas Day.
Adrian
saying:
>> What on earth are cycle rescue services? Is that a tow truck? - I
>> remember having a pump and puncture repair kit on my bike.
> Buckled wheel, broken frame, miles from anywhere?
Don't fucking crash, then.
Adrian
saying:
>> > And of course Critical Mass, as the day happens to coincide with the
>> > last Friday of the month.
>> Well, at least that's one month that Critical Mess won't cause their
>> usual utter chaos and disruption.
> Surprisingly there is usually quite a lot of cars around in London on
> Christmas Day.
Compared to a normal Friday, or compared to the Bermuda Triangle?
Adrian
saying:
>> Perhaps all the Christians should piss off back to Rome :-)
> No I don't mind them being around as long as they don't try to brainwash
> our children and force the shutdown of an essential infrastructure
Not something you and your friends would EVER dream of doing, eh?
Tony Dragon
That would be the CRHRISTmas holiday period.
--
Tony Dragon
Adrian
like they were saying:
>>> Perhaps all the Christians should piss off back to Rome :-)
>> No I don't mind them being around as long as they don't try to
>> brainwash our children and force the shutdown of an essential
>> infrastructure during holiday periods.
> That would be the CRHRISTmas holiday period.
Well, quite. Of course, not having a clue about the concept of "work",
Duhg wouldn't appreciate the upside of the concept of a "holiday period".
But anyway - I thought it was the pagan winter solstice, but with a
marketing department... and that Duhg was in favour of that kind of hippy
shit.
martin
> On 27 Nov, 09:30, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Doug <jag...@riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
>> saying:
>>
>>> And of course Critical Mass, as the day happens to coincide with the
>>> last Friday of the month.
>> Well, at least that's one month that Critical Mess won't cause their
>> usual utter chaos and disruption.
>>
> Surprisingly there is usually quite a lot of cars around in London on
> Christmas Day.
That's because there is no public transport.
JNugent
> Djornsk <djor...@gmail.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
Doug wrote:
>>> You are wrong, as usual. I am planning to be out and about with other
>>> similarly inconvenienced cyclists on Christmas day on my bicycle,
>>> though whether cycle rescue services will be operating is a moot
>>> point.
>> What on earth are cycle rescue services? Is that a tow truck? - I
>> remember having a pump and puncture repair kit on my bike.
> Buckled wheel, broken frame, miles from anywhere?
> http://www.eta.co.uk/breakdown/cycle_rescue
<shrug>
Call a taxi?
It's what pedestrians have to do.
Vicko Zoomba
Correct.
Vicko Zoomba
Network Rail being a prime example.
Vicko Zoomba
> Adrian wrote:
> > "mileburner" <milebur...@btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding
It won't even take as long as that given the direction that our
esteemed politicians are taking us.
MCKevvy
Cynic
wrote:
>> > You are wrong, as usual. I am planning to be out and about with other
>> > similarly inconvenienced cyclists on Christmas day on my bicycle,
>> > though whether cycle rescue services will be operating is a moot
>> > point.
>> What on earth are cycle rescue services? Is that a tow truck? �- I
>> remember having a pump and puncture repair kit on my bike.
>Buckled wheel, broken frame, miles from anywhere?
>http://www.eta.co.uk/breakdown/cycle_rescue
Good Grief! That shows that the cycle rescue people are *motorists*
who drive *vans*. Surely you would never deal with such people, Doug?
If you call them out, you will be *directly* responsible for putting
an additional van on the road, which surely goes against everything
you stand for?
--
Cynic
Ian
"Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote in message
news:719f9fd3-44a6-4bf8...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On 27 Nov, 08:23, webreader <websiterea...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 27, 8:19 am, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get
> > around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
> > such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is
> > the
> > legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
>
> > "CHRISTMAS DAY MONDAY 25 DECEMBER
> > London Underground No services, all stations closed.
> > Buses No daytime or Night buses.
> > Docklands Light Railway No service.
> > Tramlink No service.
> > Riverboats No service.
> > National Rail No service.
> > Gatwick Express Has replacement coaches between Victoria and
> > Gatwick.
> > Heathrow Express Has replacement coaches between Heathrow and
> > Paddington.
> > Taxis If you can find one the black cabs add an extra �4 Christmas
> > Day
> > charge to the fare."
>
> > lots
> > of other services non-existent.
>
>
>
similarly inconvenienced cyclists on Christmas day on my bicycle,
though whether cycle rescue services will be operating is a moot
point.
Duhg is probably disappointed that there won't be so many motorists
around for him to piss off.
Ian
"Keitht" <KeithT> wrote in message
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Post corrected.
mileburner
"Vicko Zoomba" <vicko_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:543095d2-2d34-4cd6...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
S'funny that those who bleat loudest about the virtues of Christianity are
usually the worst people to advertise it.
Look at that preacher-cum-murderer bloke in EastEnders.
Tony Dragon
Indeed a prime example of hypermobility.
--
Tony Dragon
Happi Monday
> Vicko Zoomba wrote:
>
>
>
> Christianity has only been around here since around 700AD when the Italians
> brought it here and insisted that the local people practice it.
>
> Before that, we were a Pagan country.
>
>
To be fair, there's only about 100 of them left.
Roger Merriman
> If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get
> around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
> such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is the
> legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
>
> "CHRISTMAS DAY MONDAY 25 DECEMBER
> London Underground No services, all stations closed.
> Buses No daytime or Night buses.
> Docklands Light Railway No service.
> Tramlink No service.
> Riverboats No service.
> National Rail No service.
> Gatwick Express Has replacement coaches between Victoria and Gatwick.
> Heathrow Express Has replacement coaches between Heathrow and
> Paddington.
> Taxis If you can find one the black cabs add an extra �4 Christmas Day
> charge to the fare."
>
> To this you can add many shops shut, virtually no pubs open and lots
> of other services non-existent.
>
> --
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> www.zing.icom43.net
> One man's democracy is another man's regime.
so?
incidently inspite of the name has very little to do with religion, it's
mostly victorian kitch.
i'll be working some of it as the nature of the job (care sector) means
has to keep going.
roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com
BrianW
> If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get
> around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
> such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is the
> legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
Oh my Gawd! You mean that for a single day, I won't be able to go out
shopping? How terrible! There will be people starving in the
streets.
I thought you were *against* a consumerist society, Doug? Surely you
welcome the shops being closed?
Steve Walker
> On Nov 27, 8:19 am, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>> If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get
>> around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
>> such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is the
>> legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
> Doug, the person with no friends, starts his anti Christmas rant.
He's right though - it's completely silly.
R. Mark Clayton
"Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote in message
news:771e01cc-9e73-4ce7...@x31g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get
around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is the
legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
"CHRISTMAS DAY MONDAY 25 DECEMBER
Doug
night when I was rammed. At least on Christmas Day there is less
chance of being rammed by impatient drivers.
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A driving licence is a licence to kill.
Doug
> Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying:
>
> >>> Perhaps all the Christians should piss off back to Rome :-)
> >> No I don't mind them being around as long as they don't try to
> >> brainwash our children and force the shutdown of an essential
> >> infrastructure during holiday periods.
> > That would be the CRHRISTmas holiday period.
>
> Well, quite. Of course, not having a clue about the concept of "work",
> Duhg wouldn't appreciate the upside of the concept of a "holiday period".
>
made to take the same holiday all at the same time with an
infrastructure shutdown. I suppose we should be thankful though that
the Christians didn't order the shutdown to be applied to power
stations and phone lines and cables as well. Still, it would have
ensured that even more people enjoyed the same holiday so I suppose
you would be in favour of it.
>
> But anyway - I thought it was the pagan winter solstice, but with a
> marketing department... and that Duhg was in favour of that kind of hippy
> shit.
>
'rampant consumerism'. Christmas is on the wrong day for Pagans and
their Winter Solstice, yes the Christians hijacked that too, and I
abhor ALL religions, just for the record.
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Adrian
saying:
>> >>> Perhaps all the Christians should piss off back to Rome :-)
>> >> No I don't mind them being around as long as they don't try to
>> >> brainwash our children and force the shutdown of an essential
>> >> infrastructure during holiday periods.
>> > That would be the CRHRISTmas holiday period.
>> Well, quite. Of course, not having a clue about the concept of "work",
>> Duhg wouldn't appreciate the upside of the concept of a "holiday
>> period".
> Nothing wrong with holiday periods, Adrain, just with everyone being
> made to take the same holiday all at the same time with an
> infrastructure shutdown.
Thank you for confirming that you don't appreciate the upside of the
concept of a "holiday period".
Or, indeed, appreciate the concept of a maintenance window for that
infrastructure.
>> But anyway - I thought it was the pagan winter solstice, but with a
>> marketing department... and that Duhg was in favour of that kind of
>> hippy shit.
> You are right about the marketing period, to which I would add 'rampant
> consumerism'. Christmas is on the wrong day for Pagans and their Winter
> Solstice, yes the Christians hijacked that too, and I abhor ALL
> religions, just for the record.
Strange, then, how positively evangelical you are about so many things -
if that's not fanatical religion, unswaying belief in the face of
overwhelming facts and evidence to the contrary, what the fuck is it?
Adrian
saying:
>> >> > And of course Critical Mass, as the day happens to coincide with
>> >> > the last Friday of the month.
>> >> Well, at least that's one month that Critical Mess won't cause their
>> >> usual utter chaos and disruption.
>> > Surprisingly there is usually quite a lot of cars around in London on
>> > Christmas Day.
>> Compared to a normal Friday, or compared to the Bermuda Triangle?
> Less than a normal Friday.
Indeed.
> The traffic congestion was dreadful last night when I was rammed.
Oh, good - so you've finally got some video of an actual ramming, have
you?
Doug
point of impact as my thumb slipped on the record button. I have
captured the reg number, which I hope to publish shortly and widely.
It is surprisingly difficult videoing ramming. Either you are too late
or are caught up in the crush of the traffic. However, as CM rammings
seem to be happening much more frequently, now that there is no police
presence on the ride, I stand a much better chance. Also these London
CM 'processions' seems to be getting bigger, which seems to add to
driver impatience and aggressive reaction, as does their own massive
congestion on a Friday evening.
--
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http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"Get out of my way you f*ing cyclist".
Keitht
There's a really good local-ish bike mechani9c who has set up as a
mobile service.
Small van with pretty much all the bits he needs.
Make sense to me.
Eta always seem like just another insurance company -- which is what
they are. Nothing really 'green' about a company that lauds the
'scrappage' scheme and the effing Toyota Pious.
--
Its never too late to reinvent the bicycle
Keitht
Or - for those who were 'schooled' by the Christian Brothers,
'Suffer the little children to come under me' (slight misquote)
JNugent
> Christmas is on the wrong day for Pagans and
> their Winter Solstice, yes the Christians hijacked that too, and I
> abhor ALL religions, just for the record.
Really?
Just spend a moment or two to tell us all, in this public forum, just how
much you abhor Islam.
Please be at least as specific as you like to be about Christianity.
Tony Dragon
> On 28 Nov, 08:52, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Doug <jag...@riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
>> saying:
>>
>>>>>>> And of course Critical Mass, as the day happens to coincide with
>>>>>>> the last Friday of the month.
>>>>>> Well, at least that's one month that Critical Mess won't cause their
>>>>>> usual utter chaos and disruption.
>>>>> Surprisingly there is usually quite a lot of cars around in London on
>>>>> Christmas Day.
>>>> Compared to a normal Friday, or compared to the Bermuda Triangle?
>>> Less than a normal Friday.
>> Indeed.
>>
>>> The traffic congestion was dreadful last night when I was rammed.
>> Oh, good - so you've finally got some video of an actual ramming, have
>> you?
>>
> It shows the cab speeding straight towards me and cuts out at the
> point of impact as my thumb slipped on the record button.
Hmmm
> I have
> captured the reg number, which I hope to publish shortly and widely.
I can't wait.
> It is surprisingly difficult videoing ramming.
It must be, you have not managed it yet.
> Either you are too late
Like the bus incident.
> or are caught up in the crush of the traffic. However, as CM rammings
> seem to be happening much more frequently, now that there is no police
> presence on the ride,
Proof.
> I stand a much better chance. Also these London
> CM 'processions' seems to be getting bigger, which seems to add to
> driver impatience and aggressive reaction,
I wonder why?
> as does their own massive
> congestion on a Friday evening.
Which you make worse.
>
> --
> Critical Mass London
> http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
> "Get out of my way you f*ing cyclist".
--
Tony Dragon
Doug
between them. Though I suppose the bigger they are the more
destructive and divisive they are, so take your pick.
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One man's democracy is another man's religious regime.
Doug
> Doug wrote:
> > On 28 Nov, 08:52, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Doug <jag...@riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> >> saying:
>
> >>>>>>> And of course Critical Mass, as the day happens to coincide with
> >>>>>>> the last Friday of the month.
> >>>>>> Well, at least that's one month that Critical Mess won't cause their
> >>>>>> usual utter chaos and disruption.
> >>>>> Surprisingly there is usually quite a lot of cars around in London on
> >>>>> Christmas Day.
> >>>> Compared to a normal Friday, or compared to the Bermuda Triangle?
> >>> Less than a normal Friday.
> >> Indeed.
>
> >>> The traffic congestion was dreadful last night when I was rammed.
> >> Oh, good - so you've finally got some video of an actual ramming, have
> >> you?
>
> > It shows the cab speeding straight towards me and cuts out at the
> > point of impact as my thumb slipped on the record button.
>
> Hmmm
>
> > I have
> > captured the reg number, which I hope to publish shortly and widely.
>
> I can't wait.
>
>
> > It is surprisingly difficult videoing ramming.
>
> It must be, you have not managed it yet.
>
enough to convince people like you, who live on a planet where ramming
never ever takes place and the concept is totally alien. Even a simple
Google for rammings fails to convince you.
>
>
> > Either you are too late
>
> Like the bus incident.
>
>
> > or are caught up in the crush of the traffic. However, as CM rammings
> > seem to be happening much more frequently, now that there is no police
> > presence on the ride,
>
> Proof.
>
>
> > I stand a much better chance. Also these London
> > CM 'processions' seems to be getting bigger, which seems to add to
> > driver impatience and aggressive reaction,
>
> I wonder why?
>
>
> > as does their own massive
> > congestion on a Friday evening.
>
> Which you make worse.
>
>
motorists contribute too every day for many hours.
BrianW
> On 27 Nov, 08:23, webreader <websiterea...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 27, 8:19 am, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
> > > around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
> > > such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is the
> > > legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
>
> > > "CHRISTMAS DAY MONDAY 25 DECEMBER
> > > London Underground No services, all stations closed.
> > > Buses No daytime or Night buses.
> > > Docklands Light Railway No service.
> > > Tramlink No service.
> > > Riverboats No service.
> > > National Rail No service.
> > > Gatwick Express Has replacement coaches between Victoria and Gatwick.
> > > Heathrow Express Has replacement coaches between Heathrow and
> > > Paddington.
> > > Taxis If you can find one the black cabs add an extra £4 Christmas Day
> > > charge to the fare."
>
> > > of other services non-existent.
>
>
> similarly inconvenienced cyclists on Christmas day on my bicycle,
> though whether cycle rescue services will be operating is a moot
> point.
Will you be going to a Lebanese restaurant, like you did before?
And will Cheryl be joining you this year?
johannes
Doug wrote:
>
> If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get
> around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
> such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is the
> legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
So a good time to buy a car Doug. If it's a big 4x4 then it will take
your Christmas shopping in the back.
Ian
"johannes" <jo...@sizefitt2255522424er.com> wrote in message
news:4B116241...@sizefitt2255522424er.com...
Duhg would get all the Christmas shopping for his friends into the
back of a small lunchbox bungeed to a carrier on his pushbike. He
wouldn't need his trailer......
BrianW
> On 27 Nov, 08:23, webreader <websiterea...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > > If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get
> > > around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
> > > such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is the
> > > legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
>
> > > London Underground No services, all stations closed.
> > > Buses No daytime or Night buses.
> > > Docklands Light Railway No service.
> > > Tramlink No service.
> > > Riverboats No service.
> > > National Rail No service.
> > > Gatwick Express Has replacement coaches between Victoria and Gatwick.
> > > Heathrow Express Has replacement coaches between Heathrow and
> > > Paddington.
> > > Taxis If you can find one the black cabs add an extra �4 Christmas Day
> > > charge to the fare."
>
> > > To this you can add many shops shut, virtually no pubs open and lots
> > > of other services non-existent.
>
> > Doug, the person with no friends, starts his anti Christmas rant.
>
> You are wrong, as usual. I am planning to be out and about with other
> similarly inconvenienced cyclists on Christmas day on my bicycle,
> though whether cycle rescue services will be operating is a moot
You surely wouldn't want to be relying on those, Doug? After all,
they will all be in a "drunken stupor", just like everyone else.
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.transport/msg/a237821c30737dd1
Paul Weaver
> Thank you for confirming that you don't appreciate the upside of the
> concept of a "holiday period".
>
> Or, indeed, appreciate the concept of a maintenance window for that
> infrastructure.
Those of use that work in a 24/7/365 environment have maintenance
windows
built in to our infrastructure. Of course, we then have to work out
how to get to
work when the train drivers fancy a christmas day/boxingday/random
sunday off.
JNugent
> On 28 Nov, 12:49, JNugent <J...@noparticularplacetogo.com> wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> Christmas is on the wrong day for Pagans and
>>> their Winter Solstice, yes the Christians hijacked that too, and I
>>> abhor ALL religions, just for the record.
>> Really?
>>
>> Just spend a moment or two to tell us all, in this public forum, just how
>> much you abhor Islam.
>>
>> Please be at least as specific as you like to be about Christianity.
>>
> It would take too long to list all religions and I don't differentiate
> between them. Though I suppose the bigger they are the more
> destructive and divisive they are, so take your pick.
So you won't - for whatever reason - specify how you abhor Islam (but are
happy to do so in respect of Christianity).
Is that about the size of it?
Doug
infrastructure during religious holy days, I would object to it as
much as I do with Christianity. Why is it so difficult for you to
understand this?
Tony Dragon
Which is a Metrocab
>>> It is surprisingly difficult videoing ramming.
>> It must be, you have not managed it yet.
>>
> I have videoed several so far it is just that the videos are not
> enough to convince people like you,
Or anybody else.
> who live on a planet where ramming
> never ever takes place and the concept is totally alien.
I have never said that.
> Even a simple
> Google for rammings fails to convince you.
>>
>>> Either you are too late
>> Like the bus incident.
>>
> Exactly.
So you now admit that your video did not show the ramming, it took a
while for you to admit that.
>>> or are caught up in the crush of the traffic. However, as CM rammings
>>> seem to be happening much more frequently, now that there is no police
>>> presence on the ride,
>> Proof.
>>
> Can't you read? What do you thinjk the word 'seem' means?
It would appear to mean 'in your oponion'
>>> I stand a much better chance. Also these London
>>> CM 'processions' seems to be getting bigger, which seems to add to
>>> driver impatience and aggressive reaction,
>> I wonder why?
>>
> Driving is a very stressful activity?
If that is so, why would you want to make it worse?
>>> as does their own massive
>>> congestion on a Friday evening.
>> Which you make worse.
>>
>>
> Which CM contributes too for a couple of hours once a month and
> motorists contribute too every day for many hours.
So you now admit that cm causes congestion, at last.
> --
> Critical Mass London
> http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
> "Get out of my way you f*ing cyclist"
>
--
Tony Dragon
JNugent
That isn't what I was asking you about.
I was referring - as I suspect you know full well but don't wish to address -
to your statement: "I abhor ALL religions, just for the record" [it]s there,
above].
If that is the case, I wonder why you are prepared to be relatively specific
about your abhorrence of Christianity, but rather more coy about how and why
you abhor Islam.
I think I can guess the reason, but I'd rather hear it from your good self.
martin
I can't speak for Doug, but in this country it's the christians who
impose that shops can only open for a few hours on Sunday, it's the
christians who insist a total shutdown of transport on xmas day, it's
christians who come knocking on my door bothering me, it's christians
who put up a fight against gays being allowed to marry and on it goes.
If muslems were doing these things I'd be complaining about them too.
But they don't.
BrianW
Well, some Islamists hate women, wish to overthrow democracy and use
violence to impose their views on others. From Doug's point of view,
they have their bad points, too ...
JNugent
Absolutely not the issue, as you would already know if you'd actually read
the preceding posts.
Doug
manipulate democracy and use violence to impose their views on others
in Islamic countries.
--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
One man's democracy is another man's regime.
Adrian
saying:
>> > The traffic congestion was dreadful last night when I was rammed.
>> Oh, good - so you've finally got some video of an actual ramming, have
>> you?
> It shows the cab speeding straight towards me and cuts out at the point
> of impact as my thumb slipped on the record button. I have captured the
> reg number, which I hope to publish shortly and widely.
Surely that'll be visible from the unedited video of the actual impact?
Or is there a reason why you don't want to publish the video?
Adrian
saying:
>> > Christmas is on the wrong day for Pagans and their Winter Solstice,
>> > yes the Christians hijacked that too, and I abhor ALL religions, just
>> > for the record.
>> Really?
>>
>> Just spend a moment or two to tell us all, in this public forum, just
>> how much you abhor Islam.
>>
>> Please be at least as specific as you like to be about Christianity.
> It would take too long to list all religions and I don't differentiate
> between them. Though I suppose the bigger they are the more destructive
> and divisive they are, so take your pick.
That's not a problem. You've been quite specific about the biggest world
religion, so moving onto the second biggest would be a natural step.
Adrian
saying:
> Yes they are just as bad as Christians who hate gays, try to manipulate
> democracy and use violence to impose their views on others in Islamic
> countries.
So what you're telling us is that it's not so much the reason for the
hatred that you dislike, but the hatred itself?
Is this specific to bigotry against a group based on no more than a
shared preference; manipulation of democracy and the use of violence to
impose their views?
Oh, wait a mo. Don't you support people who do all three of those things?
No, I must be confused, because that could be viewed as hypocritical of
you...
Guy Cuthbertson
>
> mileburner wrote:
> > Vicko Zoomba wrote:
> >
> >> Because we live in a Christian country.
> >
> >
> > Those who play the "This is a Christian County" card, tend to forget that
> > Christianity has only been around here since around 700AD when the Italians
> > brought it here and insisted that the local people practice it.
> >
> > Before that, we were a Pagan country.
> >
> > However, religion and government are (thankfully) quite separate.
> >
> > Perhaps all the Christians should piss off back to Rome :-)
>
Ha ha! Ha ha!
Doug
> Doug <jag...@riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
>
> > Yes they are just as bad as Christians who hate gays, try to manipulate
> > democracy and use violence to impose their views on others in Islamic
> > countries.
>
> So what you're telling us is that it's not so much the reason for the
> hatred that you dislike, but the hatred itself?
>
>
> Is this specific to bigotry against a group based on no more than a
> shared preference; manipulation of democracy and the use of violence to
> impose their views?
>
>
> Oh, wait a mo. Don't you support people who do all three of those things?
>
>
> No, I must be confused,
>
>
> because that could be viewed as hypocritical of
> you...
>
establishment, which is in itself highly suspect. The people I support
trend to be the exact opposite. If you weren't so confused you would
know the difference.
Adrian
saying:
>> > Yes they are just as bad as Christians who hate gays, try to
>> > manipulate democracy and use violence to impose their views on others
>> > in Islamic countries.
>> So what you're telling us is that it's not so much the reason for the
>> hatred that you dislike, but the hatred itself?
> No. BTW, does 'us' mean you and one other person?
No, "us" means all those who read your post.
We are reading it. You are telling us something.
>> Is this specific to bigotry against a group based on no more than a
>> shared preference; manipulation of democracy and the use of violence to
>> impose their views?
> 'No More?' Isn't that enough?
So you concur that religion is irrelevant, that it is the actions which
you despise, not the motives. Thank you.
>> Oh, wait a mo. Don't you support people who do all three of those
>> things?
> No.
Really...?
>> No, I must be confused,
> Yes you are.
One of us is.
>> because that could be viewed as hypocritical of you...
> Not at all.
Sorry, I was referring to the usual definition of hypocrisy, not your
preferred definition. You know, the one where you're a hypocrite for
doing what you condemn others for. Not the one where I'm a hypocrite for
doing what you condemn.
> The major religions are an intrinsic part of a State establishment,
No, they aren't.
One sub-group of one religion is.
> which is in itself highly suspect. The people I support trend to be the
> exact opposite.
Uh-huh...
> If you weren't so confused you would know the difference.
Yes, Duhg. That'll be it, dearie.
Doug
> If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get
> around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
> such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is the
> legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
>
> "CHRISTMAS DAY MONDAY 25 DECEMBER
> London Underground No services, all stations closed.
> Buses No daytime or Night buses.
> Docklands Light Railway No service.
> Tramlink No service.
> Riverboats No service.
> National Rail No service.
> Gatwick Express Has replacement coaches between Victoria and Gatwick.
> Heathrow Express Has replacement coaches between Heathrow and
> Paddington.
> Taxis If you can find one the black cabs add an extra £4 Christmas Day
> charge to the fare."
>
> To this you can add many shops shut, virtually no pubs open and lots
> of other services non-existent.
>
consecutive days. Does this mean that ATMs will also be running out of
cash and online banking will be precarious to say the least? I have
become used to various websites going down over the Christ-Mass Holy-
Day but a shutdown of the economic infrastructure is the giddy limit.
Also will car and cycle rescue services be operating on the day? I
have yet to find out after waiting several days for a response to my
email.
Doug
> Doug <jag...@riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying:
>
> >> > Yes they are just as bad as Christians who hate gays, try to
> >> > manipulate democracy and use violence to impose their views on others
> >> > in Islamic countries.
> >> So what you're telling us is that it's not so much the reason for the
> >> hatred that you dislike, but the hatred itself?
> > No. BTW, does 'us' mean you and one other person?
>
> No, "us" means all those who read your post.
>
as you do?
>
> We are reading it. You are telling us something.
>
>
> >> Is this specific to bigotry against a group based on no more than a
> >> shared preference; manipulation of democracy and the use of violence to
> >> impose their views?
> > 'No More?' Isn't that enough?
>
> So you concur that religion is irrelevant, that it is the actions which
> you despise, not the motives. Thank you.
>
too
>
> >> Oh, wait a mo. Don't you support people who do all three of those
> >> things?
> > No.
>
> Really...?
>
>
> >> No, I must be confused,
> > Yes you are.
>
> One of us is.
>
>
> >> because that could be viewed as hypocritical of you...
> > Not at all.
>
> Sorry, I was referring to the usual definition of hypocrisy, not your
> preferred definition. You know, the one where you're a hypocrite for
> doing what you condemn others for. Not the one where I'm a hypocrite for
> doing what you condemn.
>
>
> > The major religions are an intrinsic part of a State establishment,
>
> No, they aren't.
>
disrupt essential infrastructures, on the majority of the citizens of
States?
>
> One sub-group of one religion is.
>
>
> > which is in itself highly suspect. The people I support trend to be the
> > exact opposite.
>
> Uh-huh...
>
> > If you weren't so confused you would know the difference.
>
> Yes, Duhg. That'll be it, dearie.
>
Adrian
saying:
>> >> because that could be viewed as hypocritical of you...
>> > Not at all.
>> Sorry, I was referring to the usual definition of hypocrisy, not your
>> preferred definition. You know, the one where you're a hypocrite for
>> doing what you condemn others for. Not the one where I'm a hypocrite
>> for doing what you condemn.
> No the one where you criticise me for doing what you do.
What was that about mis-reading? I don't criticise you for your actions,
Duhg - well, with a few exceptions, where you deliberately go out of your
way to disrupt as many people as possible, f'rinstance.
I criticise you for your hypocrisy.
>> > The major religions are an intrinsic part of a State establishment,
>> No, they aren't.
> Then how come they are allowed to impose mandatory 'Holy Days', which
> disrupt essential infrastructures, on the majority of the citizens of
> States?
"They" don't. Unless you hadn't noticed, there are no public holidays for
Eid, Diwali, Passover...
>> One sub-group of one religion is.
> Which one?
I'm going to pretend you didn't ask that, since - even by your standards
- it's a rather blindingly stupid question.
>> > If you weren't so confused you would know the difference.
>> Yes, Duhg. That'll be it, dearie.
> Thank you for agreeing with me at last, Adrain.
Bless.
Tony Dragon
> On 27 Nov, 08:19, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>> If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get
>> around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
>> such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is the
>> legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
>>
>> "CHRISTMAS DAY MONDAY 25 DECEMBER
>> London Underground No services, all stations closed.
>> Buses No daytime or Night buses.
>> Docklands Light Railway No service.
>> Tramlink No service.
>> Riverboats No service.
>> National Rail No service.
>> Gatwick Express Has replacement coaches between Victoria and Gatwick.
>> Heathrow Express Has replacement coaches between Heathrow and
>> Paddington.
>> Taxis If you can find one the black cabs add an extra �4 Christmas Day
>> charge to the fare."
>>
>> To this you can add many shops shut, virtually no pubs open and lots
>> of other services non-existent.
>>
> I have also discovered that my bank will be closed for four
> consecutive days.
Wow, four whole days.
Does this mean that ATMs will also be running out of
> cash
Any reason that they should, according to you there will be nowhere open
to accept your cash.
> and online banking will be precarious to say the least?
Of course the servers will be taking a holiday as well.
> I have
> become used to various websites going down over the Christ-Mass Holy-
> Day
I don't think I have ever noticed a website going down at this time more
than any other.
Or are we going back to last years thread about a drunken IT engineer
driving up the motorway operating his lamptop as he drives.
> but a shutdown of the economic infrastructure is the giddy limit.
>
> Also will car and cycle rescue services be operating on the day?
You will get what you paid for.
> I
> have yet to find out after waiting several days for a response to my
> email.
>
> --
> UK Radical Campaigns
> www.zing.icom43.net
> One man's democracy is another man's regime.
>
--
Tony Dragon
Dave
"Doug" <jag...@riseup.net> wrote in message
news:35e2dd55-a6a7-45c9...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On 27 Nov, 08:19, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
> If you don't have a car maybe a cycle will be the only way to get
> around on Christmas Day in London. Why is religion allowed to have
> such an overbearing influence in this enlightened age and what is the
> legal position? I know large supermarkets are banned from opening
>
> "CHRISTMAS DAY MONDAY 25 DECEMBER
Are you looking at a different calendar to the rest of us?
JNugent
And I bet you can't see why so many workers should have the day off. After
all, you've already got every day off, so what more is there to worry about?
> Also will car and cycle rescue services be operating on the day? I
> have yet to find out after waiting several days for a response to my
> email.
Best not venture out of the house in case your cycle breakdown service isn't
operating, then.
I can, however, assure you that there will be a service provided by AA, RAC,
CSMA and their appointed garages, so no doubt that's a weight off your mind.
JNugent
:-)
He must be looking at the 2006 calendar. The next Monday Christmas Day won't
occur until 2017. The leap year phenomenon means that Christmas Day will be
on Sunday in 2011 and on Tuesday in 2012, missing out Monday.
Doug
taking days off as long as they aren't all made to do it at the same
time in response to some religious.dictum. From now on I will refuse
to refer to them as 'holydays' for obvious reasons.
>
> > Also will car and cycle rescue services be operating on the day? I
> > have yet to find out after waiting several days for a response to my
> > email.
>
> Best not venture out of the house in case your cycle breakdown service isn't
> operating, then.
>
>
> I can, however, assure you that there will be a service provided by AA, RAC,
> CSMA and their appointed garages, so no doubt that's a weight off your mind.
>
BrianW
Yebbut, they'll all be pissed. According to Duhg, anyway.
Doug
remain operational despite the Christ-Mass ritual shutdown and I will
therefore be able to attend the Critical Mass ride on that day.
--
Critical Mass London
http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"Whose streets? Our streets".
Adrian
saying:
> Yippee! My cycle rescue service has finally confirmed that they will
> remain operational despite the Christ-Mass ritual shutdown and I will
> therefore be able to attend the Critical Mass ride on that day.
Is your bike really so thoroughly unreliable and ill-maintained that you
dare not venture out on it without knowing that you can arrange for a
large motor vehicle to come and rescue you?
Tony Dragon
And that none of his fellow CM's would help him.
--
Tony Dragon
Doug
a driver, as I was last month, thus rendering my bike unusable at a
time when there are no trains to get me home. I do have an expendable
bike which I use for demos but it is not suitable for long cycle rides
and there would still remain the problem of me getting home on foot.
--
Critical Mass London
http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"Get out of my way you f*ing cyclist".
Adrian
saying:
>> > Yippee! My cycle rescue service has finally confirmed that they will
>> > remain operational despite the Christ-Mass ritual shutdown and I will
>> > therefore be able to attend the Critical Mass ride on that day.
>> Is your bike really so thoroughly unreliable and ill-maintained that
>> you dare not venture out on it without knowing that you can arrange for
>> a large motor vehicle to come and rescue you?
> No. I have to take into account that I might be deliberately rammed by a
> driver
A very unlikely event which you could easily avoid.
> as I was last month
We're still waiting for any evidence of that, y'know. You did claim you
were recording at the time.
> thus rendering my bike unusable at a time when there are no trains to
> get me home.
Taxis run on Xmas day - or you could phone a friend and ask them to
collect you.
> I do have an expendable bike which I use for demos
Why would you need that?
> but it is not suitable for long cycle rides
You mean it's unsuitable for road use
> and there would still remain the problem of me getting home on foot.
Boo. Hoo.
webreader
> On 3 Dec, 07:52, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote:> Doug <jag...@riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> > saying:
>
> > > Yippee! My cycle rescue service has finally confirmed that they will
> > > remain operational despite the Christ-Mass ritual shutdown and I will
> > > therefore be able to attend the Critical Mass ride on that day.
>
> > Is your bike really so thoroughly unreliable and ill-maintained that you
> > dare not venture out on it without knowing that you can arrange for a
> > large motor vehicle to come and rescue you?
>
> No. I have to take into account that I might be deliberately rammed by
> a driver
Very unlikely if you behave yourself.
>, as I was last month,
Proof?
> thus rendering my bike unusable at a
> time when there are no trains to get me home.
No friends to help you?
> I do have an expendable
> bike which I use for demos
Why would you need that, do you use it to provoke people?
> but it is not suitable for long cycle rides
So not roadworthy?
> and there would still remain the problem of me getting home on foot.
Oh dear.
>
> --
> Critical Mass Londonhttp://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
> "Get out of my way you f*ing cyclist".
WSR
Ian
"Adrian" <tooma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7npe6hF...@mid.individual.net...
Dhroug does, of course, have one little problem with that idea.....
Doug
--
Critical Mass London
http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"More bikes, fewer cars!".
webreader
> "More bikes, fewer cars!".
No just as far as the river.
WSR
JNugent
They aren't "made" to have the day off on the same day; they *want* the day
off on that date.
> From now on I will refuse
> to refer to them as 'holydays' for obvious reasons.
What reasons would they be? You prefer to speak a language similar to English
but where certain words have a meaning that only you know?
>>> Also will car and cycle rescue services be operating on the day? I
>>> have yet to find out after waiting several days for a response to my
>>> email.
>> Best not venture out of the house in case your cycle breakdown service isn't
>> operating, then.
> Could be a problem if the untoward happens miles from home.
>> I can, however, assure you that there will be a service provided by AA, RAC,
>> CSMA and their appointed garages, so no doubt that's a weight off your mind.
> Do you have any evidence of that?
Try:
<http://www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover/index.jsp>
I know you'll be relieved by that - I am a member (have been for 37 years).
Doug
> On Dec 3, 8:03 am, Doug <jag...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
> > On 3 Dec, 07:52, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote:> Doug <jag...@riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> > > saying:
>
> > > > Yippee! My cycle rescue service has finally confirmed that they will
> > > > remain operational despite the Christ-Mass ritual shutdown and I will
> > > > therefore be able to attend the Critical Mass ride on that day.
>
> > > Is your bike really so thoroughly unreliable and ill-maintained that you
> > > dare not venture out on it without knowing that you can arrange for a
> > > large motor vehicle to come and rescue you?
>
> > No. I have to take into account that I might be deliberately rammed by
> > a driver
>
> Very unlikely if you behave yourself.
>
>
> >, as I was last month,
>
> Proof?
>
rammer.
>
> > thus rendering my bike unusable at a
> > time when there are no trains to get me home.
>
> No friends to help you?
>
>
> > I do have an expendable
> > bike which I use for demos
>
> Why would you need that, do you use it to provoke people?
>
>
> > but it is not suitable for long cycle rides
>
> So not roadworthy?
>
>
> > and there would still remain the problem of me getting home on foot.
>
> Oh dear.
>
transport on the day?
>
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Doug
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> > From now on I will refuse
> > to refer to them as 'holydays' for obvious reasons.
>
> What reasons would they be? You prefer to speak a language similar to English
> but where certain words have a meaning that only you know?
>
derivation, i.e. 'Christ Mass Holy Day'.
>
> >>> Also will car and cycle rescue services be operating on the day? I
> >>> have yet to find out after waiting several days for a response to my
> >>> email.
> >> Best not venture out of the house in case your cycle breakdown service isn't
> >> operating, then.
> > Could be a problem if the untoward happens miles from home.
> >> I can, however, assure you that there will be a service provided by AA, RAC,
> >> CSMA and their appointed garages, so no doubt that's a weight off your mind.
> > Do you have any evidence of that?
>
> Try:
>
> <http://www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover/index.jsp>
>
> I know you'll be relieved by that - I am a member (have been for 37 years).
>
on the day so I will be able to join Critical Mass after all, despite
the Christian shutdown. Pity those who have to rely on public
transport though.
Adrian
saying:
> 'Christmas holiday', although common English, has an obvious religious
> derivation, i.e. 'Christ Mass Holy Day'.
What about Easter? Two days public holiday wrapped around a weekend?
Or New Year? Oh, wait a mo. That one's not religious. Ooops.