Blue light experiment.
Simon Mason
rear blue flashing leds to go alongside his flashing red ones. Since he
fitted them 3 years ago, he says that drivers have given him much more room
than when he rides with them turned off, presumably as they will associate
them with the emergency services. I have ordered one myself and will use it
to see if I can duplicate his findings.
--
Simon Mason
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/
Mark McNeill
> I was greatly interested in a letter from a cyclist who had fitted a
> set of rear blue flashing leds to go alongside his flashing red ones.
> Since he fitted them 3 years ago, he says that drivers have given him
> much more room than when he rides with them turned off, presumably as
> they will associate them with the emergency services. I have ordered
> one myself and will use it to see if I can duplicate his findings.
Good luck with that, but I'm not certain the result will be what you
want:
Restrictions on fitting blue warning beacons, special warning lamps and
similar devices 16. No vehicle, other than an emergency vehicle,
shall be fitted with-
(a) a blue warning beacon or special warning lamp, or
(b) a device which resembles a blue warning beacon or a special
warning lamp, whether the same is in working order or not.
--
Mark, UK.
Simon Mason
"Mark McNeill" <markonne...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> (a) a blue warning beacon or special warning lamp, or
>
>
> (b) a device which resembles a blue warning beacon or a special
> warning lamp, whether the same is in working order or not.
Presumably those boy racers who have blue leds all over their cars are
clamped down on then. The guy who has used them for 3 years has only been
stopped once by the police and that was to say what a good idea it was and
that they would far prefer not to have to scrape him off the road than to do
him for a technicality.
mileburner
A while back I followed a PCSO on a bike. I was amazed how drivers gave her,
her right of way and passed us wide and with care.
I have also seen cars fitted with blue lights too.
Blue lights might be a good idea, even if they *are* illegal. I may even try
them myself and accept that I might be subject to a small fine if plod
catches me. A small fine is better than being dead.
mileburner
Thanks Simon, they are on my shopping list :-)
Mr. Benn
news:GeCdnUCyadryLGjX...@eclipse.net.uk:
> I was greatly interested in a letter from a cyclist who had fitted a
> set of rear blue flashing leds to go alongside his flashing red ones.
> Since he fitted them 3 years ago, he says that drivers have given him
> much more room than when he rides with them turned off, presumably as
> they will associate them with the emergency services. I have ordered
> one myself and will use it to see if I can duplicate his findings.
It may be fun but it is strictly illegal if that bothers you at all.
mileburner
"Mr. Benn" <%%@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Hey! We all jump red lights and ride on pavements, why should legality
bother us :-)
Simon Mason
"mileburner" <mileb...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Mark McNeill wrote:
>
> A while back I followed a PCSO on a bike. I was amazed how drivers gave
> her, her right of way and passed us wide and with care.
Here is the guy's letter.
http://www.swldxer.co.uk/zletter.jpg
Simon Mason
"Mr. Benn" <%%@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Indeed, but if it saves my life, I will pay the fine quite happily should I
get pulled by plod.
Brown Cat
>> (a) a blue warning beacon or special warning lamp, or
>>
>>
>> (b) a device which resembles a blue warning beacon or a special
>> warning lamp, whether the same is in working order or not.
>
> Presumably those boy racers who have blue leds all over their cars are
> clamped down on then.
There's nothing to clamp down on, as long as the blue lights don't flash
they're not illegal.
Trevor A Panther
news:GeCdnUCyadryLGjX...@eclipse.net.uk...
Sounds a good idea to me.
I too wondered about the legality but anything that draws a motorists
attention to me on my bike is a good idea
--
From
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
Brown Cat
> I was greatly interested in a letter from a cyclist who had fitted a set
> of rear blue flashing leds to go alongside his flashing red ones. Since
> he fitted them 3 years ago, he says that drivers have given him much
> more room than when he rides with them turned off, presumably as they
> will associate them with the emergency services. I have ordered one
> myself and will use it to see if I can duplicate his findings.
Keep in mind that your efforts to make people associate you with the
emergency services might result in a prosecution for impersonating a
police officer.
Simon Mason
"Brown Cat" <br...@eye.invalid> wrote in message
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If you read the regs posted by Mark, nowhere does it mention flashing blue
lights. In fact, the regs he posted are out of date as they state:
Lamps to show a steady light
13.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no vehicle shall be fitted
with a lamp which automatically emits a flashing light.
As we know, flashing white and red cycle lights are now legal.
Brown Cat
> "Brown Cat" <br...@eye.invalid> wrote in message
> news:r1jJm.13391$yW6....@newsfe11.ams2...
>> On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:56:59 +0000, Simon Mason wrote:
>>>> (a) a blue warning beacon or special warning lamp, or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (b) a device which resembles a blue warning beacon or a special
>>>> warning lamp, whether the same is in working order or not.
>>>
>>> Presumably those boy racers who have blue leds all over their cars are
>>> clamped down on then.
>>
>> There's nothing to clamp down on, as long as the blue lights don't
>> flash they're not illegal.
>
> If you read the regs posted by Mark, nowhere does it mention flashing
> blue lights.
Actually, it does. According to the interpretation section of the
regulations Mark posted, both "warning beacon" and "special warning lamp"
are types of flashing lights, the latter being a blue flashing light.
> In fact, the regs he posted are out of date as they state:
> Lamps to show a steady light
> 13.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), no vehicle shall be
> fitted
> with a lamp which automatically emits a flashing light.
>
> As we know, flashing white and red cycle lights are now legal.
The regulations have been amended but are still the same in regards to
cars which was the topic of the post I was replying to. :)
Simon Mason
"Brown Cat" <br...@eye.invalid> wrote in message
There's a huge leap from having a blue light on your bike to impersonating a
police officer! I would say that women on a night out dressed in police
fancy dress garb with handcuffs and truncheons are much more likely to be
guilty of that offence :-)
Brown Cat
Google "Stuard Kennedy", he was convicted of impersonating a police
officer after fitting a flashing white light to his car. Not a great
deal of difference between that and what you're suggesting.
You might be right to say it's unlikely that the police would take any
notice but personally I wouldn't want to take the risk.
Simon Mason
"Brown Cat" <br...@eye.invalid> wrote in message
> Google "Stuard Kennedy", he was convicted of impersonating a police
> officer after fitting a flashing white light to his car. Not a great
> deal of difference between that and what you're suggesting.
No, not a lot of difference. Here is Mr Kennedy dressed much the same as I
am when I am on my bike!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/6595037.stm
Mark McNeill
> No, not a lot of difference. Here is Mr Kennedy dressed much the same
> as I am when I am on my bike!
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/6595037.stm
For a major contribution to road safety, you could always try this:
--
Mark, UK.
Just zis Guy, you know?
<markonne...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>For a major contribution to road safety, you could always try this:
>http://tinyurl.com/y97lhsy
I was expecting a link to Robert Mark. Showing my age again, I guess.
Guy
--
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/urc
GPG public key at http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/pgp-public-key.txt
Alan Braggins
>"mileburner" <mileb...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>news:hd4chh$tnu$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Mark McNeill wrote:
>>
>> A while back I followed a PCSO on a bike. I was amazed how drivers gave
>> her, her right of way and passed us wide and with care.
>
>Here is the guy's letter.
>http://www.swldxer.co.uk/zletter.jpg
Personally I think fitting blue flashing lights with the deliberate
intention of being mistaken for an emergency vehicle is wrong, and
I'm surprised the police haven't suggested he change his ways.
It risks undermining respect for genuine emergency vehicles (and as a
result removing the protection it might give cyclists while it is
uncommon), and encourages the view that cyclists are scofflaws.
Adam Lea
This has been discussed on Cyclechat:
http://www.cyclechat.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=47797
If you go to page two, there is a reasonable argument for not using them as
they may not be as safe as you think:
"Quite bluntly put, if I find anyone using a flashing blue light on thier
bike on my patch, at the very least it will get confiscated, next level up
is a �30 fine, then arrest for impersonating a police officer.
Now would I get impersonating a police officer through court for somebody
using a flashing blue light. Very Unlikely, but the 3 hours + sitting in a
cell, being photographed, fingerprinted and dna taken. Then interviewed etc.
may just make somebody think again about using blues.
Heavy handed? Possibly!. However until you use blues and two's you do not
realise how dangerous they are as road users will react in very different
ways.
Yesterday I stopped a young lady for speeding and jumping a red light (I was
on a motorcyle). Her reaction on seing blue lights was to do an emergency
stop right in front of me in lane two. Not fun going from 50 to 0 in a nano
second on a trail bike on wet greasy roads. Had I not been trained to
anticipate this the consequences could have been unthinkable.
Quite simply....DO NOT USE FLASHING BLUE LIGHTS on your bike, car.
wheelbarrow etc. They are for Emergency services only! "
The Reverend Tom Crispinson
si...@simonmason.karoo.co.uk says...
>
> "Mark McNeill" <markonne...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:7llq86F...@mid.individual.net...
>
> >
> > (a) a blue warning beacon or special warning lamp, or
> >
> >
> > (b) a device which resembles a blue warning beacon or a special
> > warning lamp, whether the same is in working order or not.
>
> Presumably those boy racers who have blue leds all over their cars are
> clamped down on then.
They're not flashing, so they're OK.
> The guy who has used them for 3 years has only been
> stopped once by the police and that was to say what a good idea it was and
> that they would far prefer not to have to scrape him off the road than to do
> him for a technicality.
Right, so with cyclists, you're quite happy for petty technicalities to
be ignored if it's for the greater good, but with motorists, "The law is
the law" and technical infringements have to be prosecuted to the letter
no matter what the overall consequences. And if the motorist then tries
to "wriggle out of it on a technicality", that's bad as you're
concerned.
Ergo, you're happy for technicalities to be ignored when common sense
dictates it - unless that technicality can be used against a motorist.
Like mileburner in other words. While I've never thought of you as also
being a member of the URC Car-Haters' Club (Dishonorary President:
Chapman), I must admit I'm struggling to find an explanation other than
"He doesn't like motorists".
thirty-six
Fitting them to the bike and using them is illegal. Clipping them to
your person is not. Police use blue pedal lights and using the lights
clipped to your legs may be sufficient for the average joe to give you
the room you need when he would otherwise 'need' to pass without
sufficient room. It could stilll warrant a stop from the police, but
you would be legal.
thirty-six
Plutonium) wrote:
> I have scientifically tested all available lights on the market, and
> have concluded following. To be published in Nature vol 554, Jul 95,
> pages 1098-1099, the most visible is the Belt Beakon yellow flasher.
> The deciding test was in the laboratory and the Safeway foodstore where
> every shopper in every aisle noticed me coming through and moved their
> carts out of my way in the presence of the yellow blinking light.
> Tested at 4.3 erg at 22% candela.
> --
> Archimedes Plutonium
> Lawrence Livermore Lighting
> div. Plasma Fuses LTD, Gmbh
> Tel: daytime at work 1- VIR GIN ITIES
>
> When young, did eagerly frequent both virgin and virgins, and evermore
> had fun
Mr. Benn
In the same way that running a red light saves your life?
mileburner
"The Reverend Tom Crispinson" <guy.c...@hates.motorists> wrote in message
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I must admit I'm struggling to find an explanation other than
> "He doesn't like motorists".
Do motorists like cyclists? Do motorists like slowing down for other road
users? Do motorists like being stuck in jams of their own making?
Do cyclists like being run off the road sideways? Do cyclists like being
passed closely at high speed? Do cyclists like having motorists pull out in
front of them?
Keitht
blue tip to his helmet.
--
Its never too late to reinvent the bicycle
Peter Grange
A small number of bikes using them is one thing, but if it catches on
and road users start to think "bike" instead of "ambulance" I'm not
sure that's a Good Thing.
--
Pete
Simon Mason
"thirty-six" <thirt...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Fitting them to the bike and using them is illegal. Clipping them to
> your person is not. Police use blue pedal lights and using the lights
> clipped to your legs may be sufficient for the average joe to give you
> the room you need when he would otherwise 'need' to pass without
> sufficient room. It could stilll warrant a stop from the police, but
> you would be legal.
What about attached to a saddle bag?
mileburner
"Peter Grange" <pe...@plgrange.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4p8df51evpg76jjun...@4ax.com...
> A small number of bikes using them is one thing, but if it catches on
> and road users start to think "bike" instead of "ambulance" I'm not
> sure that's a Good Thing.
I see your point but OTOH the association of bike and ambulance might itself
be a Good Thing.
Simon Mason
Cuts out the middle man ;-)
mileburner
"Simon Mason" <si...@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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I have just bought one from a well known Internet auction website.
I realise they are illegal to use on the highway, and I accept that I may
get some police interest. However, at a time when the police are trying to
get cyclists to use lights, I doubt very much if this would ever get as far
as the magistrates court. If it does get that far, I am sure I would be able
to get plenty of positive publicity concerning dangerous driving near
cyclists and needing to take as much lighting precaution as possible.
And before any motorists starts bitching, just ask yourself have *you* ever
broken the law?
Brown Cat
> Fitting them to the bike and using them is illegal. Clipping them to
> your person is not. Police use blue pedal lights and using the lights
> clipped to your legs may be sufficient for the average joe to give you
> the room you need when he would otherwise 'need' to pass without
> sufficient room. It could stilll warrant a stop from the police, but you
> would be legal.
It wouldn't be illegal under the RV Lighting Regulations but you could
still be prosecuted for impersonation. It's more likely that will happen
if the police stop you and you try and tell them that the RVLR doesn't
apply so you intend to continue using them.
Simon Mason
>
> I have just bought one from a well known Internet auction website.
>
> I realise they are illegal to use on the highway, and I accept that I may
> get some police interest.
Keep us posted on the results, both good and bad.
Trevor A Panther
Size and weight is clearly important. I already carry a forward facing white
light on my helmet which I switch on when cars don't dip lights. If this is
avaailable in a similar small unit I would certainly mount it rear facing on
my hat!
-From
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
"Simon Mason" <si...@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>I was greatly interested in a letter from a cyclist who had fitted a set of
>rear blue flashing leds to go alongside his flashing red ones. Since he
>fitted them 3 years ago, he says that drivers have given him much more room
>than when he rides with them turned off, presumably as they will associate
>them with the emergency services. I have ordered one myself and will use it
>to see if I can duplicate his findings.
>
>
thirty-six
> "thirty-six" <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:2b865924-9259-4b38...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Fitting them to the bike and using them is illegal. Clipping them to
> > your person is not. Police use blue pedal lights and using the lights
> > clipped to your legs may be sufficient for the average joe to give you
> > the room you need when he would otherwise 'need' to pass without
> > sufficient room. It could stilll warrant a stop from the police, but
> > you would be legal.
>
> What about attached to a saddle bag?
Could be classed as part of the vehicle. (I think this needs checking
in court records.) Some jumped up copper might like to prove himself
right. Still wastes your time. Probably never pass his seargent.
You may have better luck in the event of a stop if the bag used a
quick release mounting. I dont think it would prevent a pull. If the
light is clearly on your body, the police have no reason to stop you.
With a little luck, they will learn this. If it could be deemed as on
the bike they have good reason to stop you. They need to check that
the light complies with the law, which means not mounted on the
vehicle while using it.
Simon Mason
"Trevor A Panther" <ta...@PSANTISPAMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> How big is it and iis it helmet mountable realistically?
>
> Size and weight is clearly important. I already carry a forward facing
> white light on my helmet which I switch on when cars don't dip lights. If
> this is avaailable in a similar small unit I would certainly mount it rear
> facing on
The one I got is a Cateye copy.
http://i15.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/e2/27/e3eb_2.JPG
thirty-six
If you are stopped, turn them off. Then pocket or bag them. I don't
know of any personnel who wears flashing blue lights on their
person. Er, Erm possibly is, though not common.
Trevor A Panther
Tks -- bought one! I actually think I might put it on my trailer but
certainly not on my hat!!
--
Adam Lea
>
> And before any motorists starts bitching, just ask yourself have
> *you* ever broken the law?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
mileburner
"Adam Lea" <asr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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his own life safer but breaks the law in the process is likely to receive a
torrent of abuse from hypocritical motorists who routinely break the law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery
HTH
Keitht
There are a small number of bikes with blues on them - legally.
Keitht
From Wiki
"This argument has been unsuccessfully used before the ICTY in
Milo�evic', Kupre�kic' and Kunarac cases, when the accused tried to
justify their crimes by insisting that the opposing side had also
committed such crimes. However, the argument tu quoque, from the basis
of international humanitarian law is completely irrelevant, as the ICTY
has stated in these cases"
Simon Mason
"Keitht" <KeithT> wrote in message
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has been unsuccessfully used before the ICTY in
> committed such crimes. However, the argument tu quoque, from the basis of
> international humanitarian law is completely irrelevant, as the ICTY has
> stated in these cases"
It's a bike light, not genocide FFS!
Simon Mason
>
> "Adam Lea" <asr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:7dSdnWycj7yCeGvX...@bt.com...
>> mileburner wrote:
>>>
>>> And before any motorists starts bitching, just ask yourself have
>>> *you* ever broken the law?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
> Absolutely, but the point is that a mere humble cyclist who wishes to make
> his own life safer but breaks the law in the process is likely to receive
> a torrent of abuse from hypocritical motorists who routinely break the
> law.
I'm putting mine on my QR seat pack, not on the bike itself.
thirty-six
> "mileburner" <milebur...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
You still may attract unwanted attention.
Keitht
I was commenting on the reference to Wiki in reply to the 'you can't use
that'.
(ffs)
Trevor A Panther
So?
Have you a point to make?
Peter Grange
<si...@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"mileburner" <mileb...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>news:hd6fn7$p15$1...@news.eternal-
>>
>> I have just bought one from a well known Internet auction website.
>>
>> I realise they are illegal to use on the highway, and I accept that I may
>> get some police interest.
>
>Keep us posted on the results, both good and bad.
I hear prison libraries have internet access these days ;-)
--
Pete
thirty-six
wrote:
> "thirty-six" <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:6349b87b-9575-4970...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 8 Nov, 19:52, "Simon Mason" <si...@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> "mileburner" <milebur...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:hd6rm0$nk6$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >> > "Adam Lea" <asr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >news:7dSdnWycj7yCeGvX...@bt.com...
> >> >> mileburner wrote:
>
> >> >>> And before any motorists starts bitching, just ask yourself have
> >> >>> *you* ever broken the law?
>
> >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
> >> > Absolutely, but the point is that a mere humble cyclist who wishes to
> >> > make
> >> > his own life safer but breaks the law in the process is likely to
> >> > receive
> >> > a torrent of abuse from hypocritical motorists who routinely break the
> >> > law.
>
> >> I'm putting mine on my QR seat pack, not on the bike itself.
>
> > You still may attract unwanted attention.
>
> So?
>
> Have you a point to make?
>
such as?
Trevor A Panther
> On 8 Nov, 20:42, "Trevor A Panther" <ta...@PSANTISPAMblueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> "thirty-six" <thirty-...@live.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:6349b87b-9575-4970...@n35g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
> such as?
I rarely respnd to trolls a second time
but here goes
Just take your pointless comments to another place!
"Plonk!"
Jan Wysocki
>
> The one I got is a Cateye copy.
>
> http://i15.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/e2/27/e3eb_2.JPG
I wear a flashing light strapped to my right upper arm. I used to use
a "Belt Beacon", but nowadays I use a marine rescue beacon* that has
a Xenon strobe light. Friends who have seen me from cars remark that
the light looks blue from a distance, presumably because the colour
temperature is much higher than an incandescent lamp. Apart from
making night time sneezes look spectacular, I certainly notice that
cars give me a wider berth. It's not attached to my bicycle and police
have never stopped me in around 30 years of night cyling with a beacon.
I do sometimes think about using it when motorcycling in fog, but don't
know if the same legalities apply when using a motor vehicle - but
I'm not expecting an answer in this group:)
Neither of these would be much use in town, but I think they're
excellent on unlit roads.
*Jortron AQ4. Although it's sold with a 12 hour flash time, I find that
it runs through winter on a single 'C' cell.
--
Jan
speaking virtually from a secret pleasure garden in east London
thirty-six
Checked that out at £50, I think there should probably be a rescue
beacon available not specified for marine use which would cost around
£20, for rock climbers maybe.
Simon Mason
Shoplifters and muggers don't get jailed these days.
Simon Mason
"Phil W Lee" <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote in message
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>>
>>What about attached to a saddle bag?
>
> I think they'd interpret that as equivalent to a boot lid.
Hmm, how many boot lids are fixed with a strip of Velcro and can be removed
in a second?
Jon
>
> Personally I think fitting blue flashing lights with the deliberate
> intention of being mistaken for an emergency vehicle is wrong, and
> I'm surprised the police haven't suggested he change his ways.
> It risks undermining respect for genuine emergency vehicles (and as a
> result removing the protection it might give cyclists while it is
> uncommon), and encourages the view that cyclists are scofflaws.
Agreed. If misused as suggested they would very soon lose any
protective effect, and it would contribute to the perception that
cyclists are somehow not proper road users who have to follow the
rules like everyone else..
Geoff Berrow
<si...@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Mark McNeill" <markonne...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:7llq86F...@mid.individual.net...
>
>>
>> (a) a blue warning beacon or special warning lamp, or
>>
>>
>> (b) a device which resembles a blue warning beacon or a special
>> warning lamp, whether the same is in working order or not.
>
>Presumably those boy racers who have blue leds all over their cars are
>clamped down on then. The guy who has used them for 3 years has only been
>stopped once by the police and that was to say what a good idea it was and
>that they would far prefer not to have to scrape him off the road than to do
>him for a technicality.
With poor visibility and so many red lights about it's easy to see how
a bike light can be missed. But the blue lights are noticeable, by
virtue of being blue, not because they flash.
I wonder if static blue lights would be just as effective, and legal.
--
Geoff Berrow (Put thecat out to email)
It's only Usenet, no one dies.
My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
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Rob Morley
"Simon Mason" <si...@simonmason.karoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> "Phil W Lee" <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote in message
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> >>What about attached to a saddle bag?
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> > I think they'd interpret that as equivalent to a boot lid.
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> Hmm, how many boot lids are fixed with a strip of Velcro and can be
> removed in a second?
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If you've lightened your car then the boot lid can be a bit of carbon
fibre held on with a few Dzus fasteners.
thirty-six
> "Phil W Lee" <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote in messagenews:elsef5l25hvdiai44...@4ax.com...
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> >>What about attached to a saddle bag?
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> > I think they'd interpret that as equivalent to a boot lid.
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> Hmm, how many boot lids are fixed with a strip of Velcro and can be removed
> in a second?
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You're right, gaffer tape is better, it stops the leaks as well.
thirty-six
> With poor visibility and so many red lights about it's easy to see how
> a bike light can be missed. But the blue lights are noticeable, by
> virtue of being blue, not because they flash.
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> I wonder if static blue lights would be just as effective, and legal.
I can see that using a blue flashing light on the public road could
mean that you are mistaken for an emergency vehicle and the injurous
effects this may have then to the perception of blue flashers. (oo -
er) Just using those same colours, the royal blue and that
particular yellow as your clothing in block form will also give you
significant conspicuity. Adding PICOLE to the upper garment may cause
offence and cause you more trouble.
I think that you could likely get away with having a solid blue lamp
hanging out of a pocket or sticking out a bag either on the rider or
bike (accidentally, dodgy switch ,you know). I don't think this would
be injurous to emergency use of flashers. Intensity needs to ber
regulated.
mileburner
"Jon" <gurneyj...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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No one is proposing to try and pretend to be an emergency vehicle.
The combination of blue and red is more noticeable and tends to catch the
attention of otherwise inattentive drivers. If it makes them look, and look
again, it is far better than being just another red light of little or no
significance.
thirty-six
> And it's amazing how blue some of those "white" leds are ;)
Which can cause glare.
Mr Benn
> The combination of blue and red is more noticeable and tends to catch the
> attention of otherwise inattentive drivers. If it makes them look, and
> look again, it is far better than being just another red light of little
> or no significance.
You'd be better off using a high-intensity green LED light. The human eye
is much more sensitive to green light compared to blue and red which are
towards the edges of the visible spectrum. As long as you're not mistaken
for a traffic light!
thirty-six
> "mileburner" <milebur...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
Pick up a skip marker light and string it to your saddle rail. It'll
spin around ion the wind and give a good YELLOW light.
thirty-six
> thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> considered Tue, 10 Nov 2009
Buy a battery.
thirty-six
> thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> considered Tue, 10 Nov 2009
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> Your point?
Blue light upsets night vision more than any other colour. An
oncoming road user may become dazzled, especially if there are eye
defects.
thirty-six
> thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> considered Tue, 10 Nov 2009
> the light.
> Anything will dazzle you if it's pointing into your eyes.
> Few things will if it's just a bit of spillage from an otherwise well
> aimed beam.
Unless you are focussing at a distance as far as the light, there will
be glare. If you have uncorrected astigmatism, there will be glare.
If you have glaucoma, there will be glare. Blue light severely
disrupts night vision and may temporarily blind an oncoming road
user.
thirty-six
> thirty-six <thirty-...@live.co.uk> considered Tue, 10 Nov 2009
There is no skip in the tool hire shop.