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Clive George

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Dec 22, 2009, 1:03:10 PM12/22/09
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Snowed here on Thursday. Melted a bit in the afternoon, but then it got a
bit colder and froze hard.

Which was unfortunate as I was going to get a swine-flu jab. I should have
heeded the warning signs of the back wheel spinning occasionally as I rode
uphill - had it been light I'd have taken the MTB, which probably would have
coped rather better.

Got to within 100 yards of the surgery, and whee! away went the front wheel
and down I went, hard on my shoulder + hip.

That was Thursday at 1630, and I've just got home. In between I've had an
hour lying in the snow freezing and feeling sorry for myself, an eventful
ambulance ride (two ambulances - there was a lorry sideways on a hill at
Hellifield, so they the two crews swapped vans and patient), some lying in
A+E still feeling unhappy, some morphine (mmmmm, that felt so much better),
an operation (3 cannulated screws into the femur - broke the neck), and lots
of lying and sitting in a very warm hospital.

Might be 12 weeks before I'm allowed on the bike again :-( And I'd
definitely have been out playing in the best snow for years over the past
few days :-(

Still, the bike was completely unhurt.

cheers,
clive


Tosspot

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Dec 22, 2009, 2:45:38 PM12/22/09
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Clive George wrote:
> Snowed here on Thursday. Melted a bit in the afternoon, but then it got a
> bit colder and froze hard.

<snip the painful bits>

> Might be 12 weeks before I'm allowed on the bike again :-( And I'd
> definitely have been out playing in the best snow for years over the past
> few days :-(

Bugger. It's always the slow ones that get you. I've come off every
winter for the last 10 or so, except last year, when I had one of these

http://www.anthrotech.de/Pages-e/index-e.html

Which solved the falling off problem, if not the style problem.

Fwiw, I experimented with tyres quite a lot and nothing deals with what
you described unless it comes with pre builtin nails. Slightly thawed,
refrozen snow is the slipperiest thing known to man. Forget teflon,
this is what bankers use when balloon goes up.

Would say get well soon, but I guess it won't be, so in the mean time I
recommend;

http://www.theakstons.co.uk/ales/

2nd one from the left, it won't help, but it will make you feel better :)

Ian Jackson

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Dec 22, 2009, 3:10:14 PM12/22/09
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In article <toednfrlPZdQlKzW...@brightview.co.uk>,

Clive George <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>Got to within 100 yards of the surgery, and whee! away went the front wheel
>and down I went, hard on my shoulder + hip.

*sympathy*

Personally I usually risk it and I have had a number of, erm,
"unplanned rapid dismounts", although I'm blessed with an ability to
almost always land on my feet.

Those who aren't so blessed definitely have my sympathy, especially
when it leads to something like this :-/.

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TheOldFellow

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Dec 22, 2009, 3:09:54 PM12/22/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:03:10 +0000
"Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:


> Got to within 100 yards of the surgery, and whee! away went the front wheel
> and down I went, hard on my shoulder + hip.

Sympathy. I know it's no longer PC, but prayers for quick recovery.

R.

Marc

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Dec 22, 2009, 3:11:33 PM12/22/09
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Clive George wrote:

>
> Might be 12 weeks before I'm allowed on the bike again :-( And I'd
> definitely have been out playing in the best snow for years over the past
> few days :-(
>
> Still, the bike was completely unhurt.
>
> cheers,
> clive
>
>

GWS

Simon Brooke

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Dec 22, 2009, 4:13:25 PM12/22/09
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On 22 Dec, 18:03, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> That was Thursday at 1630, and I've just got home. In between I've had an
> hour lying in the snow freezing and feeling sorry for myself, an eventful
> ambulance ride (two ambulances - there was a lorry sideways on a hill at
> Hellifield, so they the two crews swapped vans and patient), some lying in
> A+E still feeling unhappy, some morphine (mmmmm, that felt so much better),
> an operation (3 cannulated screws into the femur - broke the neck), and lots
> of lying and sitting in a very warm hospital.

Isn't morphine /NICE/?

I remember lying in the back of an ambulance being driven down a bumpy
hill road knowing that I'd broken my back and assuming that that meant
I was going to be paralysed, and actually feeling quite OK about it...

Much sympathy. See the physiotherapists as soon as possible and work
out what you can do to retain fitness and muscle - if not managed
carefully, three months of rest can take a lot of recovering from.

> Still, the bike was completely unhurt.

Ah, well, that's the main thing ;-)

Rob Morley

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Dec 22, 2009, 4:49:05 PM12/22/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:03:10 +0000
"Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

<snip tale of woe>

At least when I did that it was on diesel, so I wasn't lying in ice and
snow waiting for the ambulance. I had a dynamic hip screw fixation
which is an open procedure - I didn't know they could do a closed one
like yours, I imagine it tends to lead to faster recovery. One of the
problems I found when convalescing was that it was uncomfortable to sit
up for long, I found one of those orthopaedic kneeling chairs helped by
allowing me to take more weight on the good side. Eee, it's giving me
twinges just thinking about it - get better soon and stuff.

Paul Luton

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Dec 22, 2009, 4:54:40 PM12/22/09
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On 22/12/2009 18:03, Clive George wrote:
> Got to within 100 yards of the surgery, and whee! away went the front wheel
> and down I went, hard on my shoulder + hip.
>
> That was Thursday at 1630, and I've just got home. In between I've had an
> hour lying in the snow freezing and feeling sorry for myself, an eventful
> ambulance ride (two ambulances - there was a lorry sideways on a hill at
> Hellifield, so they the two crews swapped vans and patient), some lying in
> A+E still feeling unhappy, some morphine (mmmmm, that felt so much better),
> an operation (3 cannulated screws into the femur - broke the neck), and lots
> of lying and sitting in a very warm hospital.
>
> Might be 12 weeks before I'm allowed on the bike again:-( And I'd
> definitely have been out playing in the best snow for years over the past
> few days:-(

Ouch indeed. Best wishes for a quick recovery.

Paul


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Dec 22, 2009, 4:54:35 PM12/22/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:03:10 +0000, "Clive George"
<cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>That was Thursday at 1630, and I've just got home. In between I've had an
>hour lying in the snow freezing and feeling sorry for myself, an eventful
>ambulance ride (two ambulances - there was a lorry sideways on a hill at
>Hellifield, so they the two crews swapped vans and patient), some lying in
>A+E still feeling unhappy, some morphine (mmmmm, that felt so much better),
>an operation (3 cannulated screws into the femur - broke the neck), and lots
>of lying and sitting in a very warm hospital.

Blimey, all credit to you for doing a proper job. All I got was
bruises when I came off on black ice t'other day. Reading's
ankle-deep in /sno/ (sufficient to bring the entire town to a grinding
halt, of course) but we had other things on our minds being on the way
back from Westest Wales after welcoming home kid sister plus newborn.

Get well soon, anyway, and let's hope Santa brings you something to
cheer you up during your enforced rest.

Guy
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James

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Dec 23, 2009, 2:54:17 AM12/23/09
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On Dec 23, 3:03�am, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Got to within 100 yards of the surgery, and whee! away went the front wheel
> and down I went, hard on my shoulder + hip.

Oh, what horrible news. I'm sure that's not the Christmas present you
had planned for yourself! Hope the recovery goes well.

James

Tim Hall

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Dec 23, 2009, 4:49:39 AM12/23/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:03:10 +0000, "Clive George"
<cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

<snip>


>
>That was Thursday at 1630, and I've just got home. In between I've had an
>hour lying in the snow freezing and feeling sorry for myself, an eventful
>ambulance ride (two ambulances - there was a lorry sideways on a hill at
>Hellifield, so they the two crews swapped vans and patient), some lying in
>A+E still feeling unhappy, some morphine (mmmmm, that felt so much better),
>an operation (3 cannulated screws into the femur - broke the neck), and lots
>of lying and sitting in a very warm hospital.
>

<Expletive, as they say, deleted>!

>Might be 12 weeks before I'm allowed on the bike again :-( And I'd
>definitely have been out playing in the best snow for years over the past
>few days :-(

Blimey clive, that's not good. Get well soon you daft sod.


>
>Still, the bike was completely unhurt.
>

See, it's not all bad.


I forsee lots of time taken up posting to usenet or tothe Tandem Club
website.

--
Tim

colin...@lineone.net

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Dec 23, 2009, 5:25:10 AM12/23/09
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On 22 Dec, 18:03, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Snowed here on Thursday. Melted a bit in the afternoon, but then it got a
> bit colder and froze hard.
>
><snip>

>
> Might be 12 weeks before I'm allowed on the bike again :-( And I'd
> definitely have been out playing in the best snow for years over the past
> few days :-(
>
> Still, the bike was completely unhurt.
>
> cheers,
> clive

Ouch indeed - sorry to hear that. This morning I was trying to
balance between taking it easy on the completely covered "snow on top
of ice" surface of NCR 64 (not gritted, of course), with the fact that
I knew I was going to miss my train if I took it too slow! The ride
back this evening is uphill - I may be taking it even easier after
reading this.

Get well soon.

Colin

al Mossah

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Dec 23, 2009, 5:25:56 AM12/23/09
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On 22 Dec, 18:03, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
That's really bad news, and maybe will teach me to be "extra" careful
tonight. In the meantime, the suggestion of fine ales is an
excellent.


POHB

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Dec 23, 2009, 7:26:40 AM12/23/09
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On 22 Dec, 18:03, "Clive George" wrote:
> an operation (3 cannulated screws into the femur - broke the neck)

Ooh, that doesn't sound much fun. Best wishes. - P

Mike Clark

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Dec 23, 2009, 7:41:27 AM12/23/09
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In message <toednfrlPZdQlKzW...@brightview.co.uk>
"Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]


>
> Might be 12 weeks before I'm allowed on the bike again :-( And I'd
> definitely have been out playing in the best snow for years over the past
> few days :-(
>
> Still, the bike was completely unhurt.
>
> cheers,
> clive
>
>

Sorry to hear that, you have my sympathy and I hope you make a full
recovery. During this current spell of icy conditions I've been walking
every day rather than cycling, partly because I don't want to risk an
injury that would stop me from going skiing!

Mike
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<\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing,
"> || _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and
` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user"

The Luggage

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Dec 23, 2009, 8:09:47 AM12/23/09
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On Dec 22, 6:03�pm, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Snowed here on Thursday. Melted a bit in the afternoon, but then it got a
> bit colder and froze hard.
>
> Which was unfortunate as I was going to get a swine-flu jab. I should have
> heeded the warning signs of the back wheel spinning occasionally as I rode
> uphill - had it been light I'd have taken the MTB, which probably would have
> coped rather better.
>
> Got to within 100 yards of the surgery, and whee! away went the front wheel
> and down I went, hard on my shoulder + hip.

Not good! I hope you are up & about quickly, and that they let you
back on the bike (as part of your physiotherapy, of course) in less
than 12 weeks.

It makes me feel slightly better about coming off (again) this
morning. Similar thing. Frozen surface. They haven't even gritted my
local bus route in Abingdon, which is where I came to grief. Bruised
hip & knee. Sore shoulder. More scratches on the bar ends. At least I
didn't break anything. I'm getting a lift home with a colleague
tonight and back tomorrow. A gentle lunchtime ride home tomorrow. In
the rain, probably :-(

Recover well, Clive!

TL (Alan)

Ben C

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Dec 23, 2009, 11:36:35 AM12/23/09
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Sorry to hear about all that. I'm not a doctor, but I reckon if all goes
well you should be back on the bike in about half that time.

The whole point of fixing things with screws (well part of the point) is
that you can start moving about much sooner, which helps it get better,
and cycling is easier than anything else.

When I broke my femur (well, _I_ didn't break it, some idiot in a car
did) I remember hobbling up to the bike with a walking stick, getting
on, chucking the stick back into the house and riding off.

At least you're not missing particularly good cycling weather. Broken
bones hurt, but you do make a full recovery.

Tim Hall

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Dec 23, 2009, 12:18:41 PM12/23/09
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:36:35 +0000, Ben C <spam...@spam.eggs> wrote:

>On 2009-12-22, Clive George <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:


<snip>


>>
>> That was Thursday at 1630, and I've just got home. In between I've had an
>> hour lying in the snow freezing and feeling sorry for myself, an eventful
>> ambulance ride (two ambulances - there was a lorry sideways on a hill at
>> Hellifield, so they the two crews swapped vans and patient), some lying in
>> A+E still feeling unhappy, some morphine (mmmmm, that felt so much better),
>> an operation (3 cannulated screws into the femur - broke the neck), and lots
>> of lying and sitting in a very warm hospital.
>>
>> Might be 12 weeks before I'm allowed on the bike again :-( And I'd
>> definitely have been out playing in the best snow for years over the past
>> few days :-(

Thinking back, isn't this what MSeries, formerly of urc, did? He's on
yacf if you want to compare X rays.

>
>Sorry to hear about all that. I'm not a doctor, but I reckon if all goes
>well you should be back on the bike in about half that time.
>
>The whole point of fixing things with screws (well part of the point) is
>that you can start moving about much sooner, which helps it get better,
>and cycling is easier than anything else.
>
>When I broke my femur (well, _I_ didn't break it, some idiot in a car
>did) I remember hobbling up to the bike with a walking stick, getting
>on, chucking the stick back into the house and riding off.
>

<me spies market for convertible walking stick/bicycle pump>


--
Tim

Clive George

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Dec 23, 2009, 12:24:35 PM12/23/09
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"Ben C" <spam...@spam.eggs> wrote in message
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Neck of femur is a bit more complicated - consultant said there's a fair
chance of the ball dying, which if it does is full replacement time (= bad
thing), hence the rather long period of not weight bearing. 6 weeks with
nothing, then bringing it up to full over the next 6 weeks.

And I may not be missing cycling weather, but it is the best snow we've had
for years :-( Oh well.

Thanks to all for your kind messages. Thanks to the invention of the
internet and laptops I do at least have plenty to do - I'm not sure I could
take 6 weeks of doing utterly nothing rest :-)


Ian Bidwell

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Dec 23, 2009, 12:39:13 PM12/23/09
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"Mike Clark" <mrc7-...@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Sorry to hear that, you have my sympathy and I hope you make a full
> recovery. During this current spell of icy conditions I've been walking
> every day rather than cycling, partly because I don't want to risk an
> injury that would stop me from going skiing!
>
> Mike


Why not ski to work, after all I have see someone skiing in Richmond road(
but TBF not this year)

Ian


Peter Grange

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Dec 23, 2009, 2:50:56 PM12/23/09
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:03:10 +0000, "Clive George"
<cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>Snowed here on Thursday. Melted a bit in the afternoon, but then it got a
>bit colder and froze hard.
>
>Which was unfortunate as I was going to get a swine-flu jab. I should have
>heeded the warning signs of the back wheel spinning occasionally as I rode
>uphill - had it been light I'd have taken the MTB, which probably would have
>coped rather better.
>
>Got to within 100 yards of the surgery, and whee! away went the front wheel
>and down I went, hard on my shoulder + hip.
>

Ugh, sounds most unpleasant, hope you get well soon. Especially hope
you don't get Swine Flu as well after missing the jab, that would be
entirely unreasonable ;-)

--

Pete

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GuyRT

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Dec 24, 2009, 3:42:57 AM12/24/09
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On 23 Dec, 17:18, Tim Hall <timh...@nospamtoday.clara.co.uk> wrote:
> <me spies market for convertible walking stick/bicycle pump>

When I was hobbling about with the aid of a walking stick and cycling
to work I used to clip it into the pump holder on the down tube. The
bottom of the stick would rest on the bottom bracket and the handle
stuck out in front of the handlebars. Worked for me.

Guy

p.s. Sympathies to the OP. Your tale did make me more careful on my
way back yesterday.

Dave Larrington

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Dec 24, 2009, 4:44:05 AM12/24/09
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In news:4nsYm.25638$sN.1...@newsfe14.ams2,
Ian Bidwell <i.bi...@ntlworld.com> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:

I think it was Christmas 1986 - a cow-orker had recently returned from a
two-year sojourn in the company's office in Stavanger. He was leaving
finding somewhere to live until the New Year and was consequently living in
an hotel somewhere in Bloomsbury with most of his worldly goods in his car.
Including his cross-country skis.

You can guess the rest.

--
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<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
(Kickin'! - The Pope).


Ian Bidwell

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Dec 24, 2009, 9:41:02 AM12/24/09
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"GuyRT" <guy.tr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> When I was hobbling about with the aid of a walking stick and cycling
> to work I used to clip it into the pump holder on the down tube. The
> bottom of the stick would rest on the bottom bracket and the handle
> stuck out in front of the handlebars. Worked for me.
>
> Guy
>


Do they still make 'tennis racket' holders to fit on front forks, they were
spring loaded to hold the racket by the handle so would hold a crutch

Ian

Rob Morley

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Dec 24, 2009, 10:30:01 AM12/24/09
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On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:41:02 +0000
"Ian Bidwell" <i.bi...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Do they still make 'tennis racket' holders to fit on front forks,
> they were spring loaded to hold the racket by the handle so would
> hold a crutch
>

I very much doubt the spring would be sufficient to hold even a
lightweight crutch, because of its length and subsequent moment of
inertia. Add a bungee or toe strap to hold the crutch against the
bars, but then you might as well just use two straps or bungees and not
bother with the clip. I used to use a couple of toe straps to carry my
crutches against the rear stay of a pannier rack.

John Clayton

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Dec 24, 2009, 12:53:20 PM12/24/09
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"Tosspot" <Frank...@esa.int> wrote in message
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> Fwiw, I experimented with tyres quite a lot and nothing deals with what
> you described unless it comes with pre builtin nails. Slightly thawed,
> refrozen snow is the slipperiest thing known to man. Forget teflon, this
> is what bankers use when balloon goes up.

These sort of days one needs to particularly avoid steep camber - worst
being the edge of those awful "speed pads".
Deadly beyond any road "engineers" imagination.

John

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Chris Malcolm

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Dec 24, 2009, 11:42:38 PM12/24/09
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Phil W Lee <ph...@lee-family.me.uk> wrote:
> Tim Hall <tim...@nospamtoday.clara.co.uk> considered Wed, 23 Dec 2009

> If you ever get around to building one, can I test it for you?
> I'm encumbered with a stick all the time, and it's a damned nuisance
> to carry on the bike.

Add a strap to it so you can sling it crossways over your shoulder and
across the back. That's how I carry a brolly on my bike. Alternatively
use a pair of those sponge-covered wire worm things to tie it to the
cross bar.

--
Chris Malcolm

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