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Steve

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Jul 16, 2003, 1:07:49 PM7/16/03
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Hi.... My Daughter starts full time schooling this September and during the
last year when she attended the Schools Nursery it became apparent that
funding is somewhat tight (as it is in many UK schools I gahter) and the
school very much rely on Parental help to raise additional funds. They do
the usual school fayres etc etc and sell raffle tickets and cakes made by
the parents but I am really keen to look at alternatives and getting the
Children involved in crafts that can be sold on stalls at local fates and
the school fayre etc.
My question to anyone reading this is do you know where I may be able to
start/ are there any websites that you know of (I have searched and found a
few but not much) or does anyone have any ideas of what we might be able to
get involved in?
Thanks for any help.............


Jackdaw

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Jul 16, 2003, 1:38:21 PM7/16/03
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( all that I mention to be under parental supervision )

No cooked items like peppermint creams, and chocolate/rice crispies balls in
a nice box.
Bath crystals soda+smellies+perfume ( better yet, essential oils)
Face painting. 50p-£1 a go.
Fortune telling ( this by an adult with suitable costumes and props.
Throwing wet sponges at the teachers in stocks. ( usually a real winner with
the kids)... and me!
Lucky dip, cheap jewellery for girls, separate tub for boys.
Etc..etc..etc


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Jackdaw ( UK )
collector of facts, trivia and bright twinkly things!

Steve

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Jul 16, 2003, 1:53:14 PM7/16/03
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Hi... One or two of those ideas they have tried already and will presumerbly
continue to do so, like the face painting !
I do like the wet sponges at teachers in stocks ! :-) I am sure that would
go down well, with the children anyway.......... We were also looking at
the candle making. Do you know anything about that at all........ I gather
heat and molten wax are, obviously, involved so maybe not a good idea for
the little ones !
The essential oils! Would that be just buying in bulk and packaing or is it
more involve and actually making up your own? That might be fun for the kids
!
Thanks

PS: I take on board the 'Parental Supervision' !!


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Jackdaw

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> Hi... One or two of those ideas they have tried already and will
presumerbly
> continue to do so, like the face painting !
> I do like the wet sponges at teachers in stocks ! :-) I am sure that
would
> go down well, with the children anyway.......... We were also looking at
> the candle making. Do you know anything about that at all........ I gather
> heat and molten wax are, obviously, involved so maybe not a good idea for
> the little ones !
> The essential oils! Would that be just buying in bulk and packaing or is
it
> more involve and actually making up your own? That might be fun for the
kids
> !
> Thanks
>
> PS: I take on board the 'Parental Supervision' !!

Large bag of washing Soda
small drops colouring
3-4 drops of Essential Oils ( lavender works well )
mix in a large bowl.
Package is little plastic bags.

Good Luck and on the previous post it should have read Non cooked instead
of no cooked peppmint reams!

Malcolm Kane

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Jul 17, 2003, 6:06:21 PM7/17/03
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In message <HDfRa.28354$4O4.3...@newsfep2-win.server.ntli.net>, Steve
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Sorry that this will seem negative BUT......

DON'T DO IT.

The difficult situation in education funding in the UK at the moment is
in no small part due to the fact that well meaning staff and parents
have for years been papering over the cracks by ever more frantic
efforts to raise money. If you want private education for your children
put them in a private school and pay the fees. If you want state
education which should be everyone's right, stop papering over the
cracks and make the government cough up the funds required. If you
don't funding crises will continue for years to come until we have by
default education provided by the state funded by the parents.

--
Malcolm Kane

ric...@kasstzam.com

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Jul 18, 2003, 7:21:17 AM7/18/03
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Hi
We can produce professional coasters, tablemats and cards with the
school logo or any design you want. We can sell these to you at a cost
price whcih you can then make a %markup on. These can be sold all year
round at any time.
You could also set up a painting/drawing competition for the children
and the winners design gets to go on the items.
Please visit www.kasstzam.com for examples of our work.
Hope this helps.
Richard

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welshwren

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Jul 19, 2003, 4:34:33 AM7/19/03
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I can vouch for the popularity of the stocks/wet sponges stall - it was very
popular at our School Summer Fete - the caretaker and the Head teacher were
the 'victims'.

On to hand made crafts - salt dough decorations would be a fun activity and
you could make a range of items from small fridge magnets to wall plaques to
sell.

Book marks - laminated if possible - with ribbon tassels. These could be
rubberstamped and coloured by the children.

Acrylic keyrings (blanks usually available on ebay) decorated with
stamped/drawn/clipart pics or school logo

Wellie pegs made from wooden pegs, painted and decorated with a fun card or
wooden shape.

What about putting a selection of card offcuts, die cut shapes, glitter,
ribbon pieces & card blanks together as a craft pack?

It is always a good idea to have a selection of cheap items (25p - 50p)
that children can buy for themselves.

You could also check through the following for some ideas www.childfun.com
http://www.angelfire.com/nm/soap/halloween.html
www.kidsdomain.com

I am sure that the school will be thrilled to have a new parent who is so
willing to get involved at a practical level with fundraising. Good luck!

Jenni
Paper Patch

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welshwren

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Jul 19, 2003, 4:35:57 AM7/19/03
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Of course all schools should have sufficient money to provide for all their
requirements with parents & friends fundraising for the 'extras'.

Unfortuately it is a sad fact of life that many shcools don't have enough
funding for even the basics - like books and pencils, (and believe me we are
worse off here in Wales than in England as the money dosen't go straight to
the schools - it goes to the LEA for distribution)

Stopping all forms of fundraising may (?!!) have a long term effect on the
governments funding policy but in the meantime the current children suffer
and lose out - and that wouldn't be something that I would risk for my
children.

I will put up a separate post with some suggestions for fundraising.

Jenni
Paper Patch


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Steve

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Jul 19, 2003, 6:01:13 AM7/19/03
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Malcolm... Your comments re: DON'T DO IT, reflect the very essence of a
debate I had recently with other parents whose children will be attending
the same school as my daughter and simply put I was very much in your camp
during that deabte. Simply put, I agree with you and would like so see the
Government fund all requirements for EACH AND EVERY child's education. I am
quite new to this (Parenting and schools) but I can already see that the
funding is just not there. We are quite lucky in the school my Daughter will
be going to as it is well stocked with the basics but that is in no small
part down to the parents/teachers. It is all well and good lobbying the
Government with Stiff letters etc, an exercise I might add that is also
going on in parallel to the parent/teacher fund raising but you only get one
shot at giving your children the best and by the time the Government (This
one or the next one) have got around to accepting the argument/debate (if
they ever do) that investment in schools is an investment in the Country's
future my daughter will likely be halfway (at best) through the system and
time would have been lost. She starts in September, the school needs new kit
NOW!

I am not prepared to have my child, or others for that matter have a
substandard experience for the sake of a morale stand against the
Government.

The flip side to the raising money of course is that if the Children are
actively involved it is an exercise in learning all by itself. Learning to
make things, learning to budget to be able to do so, and to 'Sell for a
Profit' and then decide where to invest the proceeds, not to mention of
course the enjoyment and self satisfaction that that can go with it.

So on that note a BIG thanks to the other respondents to my query for ideas,
I particularly like the fridge magnets and the acrylic key rings and I have
already visited www.kasstzam.com and will be in touch.

Thanks again.... I will undoubtedly return for further advice !!


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K

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Jul 19, 2003, 6:19:19 AM7/19/03
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Hear, hear. It would also have an indirect effect on health, social
services, pensions, etc, etc, etc. And, indeed not everyone wants to rely
on the government for everything if they can see other ways of helping
themselves.

Kay

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: Of course all schools should have sufficient money to provide for all

: > >start/ are there any websites that you know of (I have searched and

:
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Malcolm Kane

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Jul 19, 2003, 6:39:58 PM7/19/03
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In message <UF8Sa.2$ST...@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net>, Steve
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>Malcolm... Your comments re: DON'T DO IT, reflect the very essence of a
>debate I had recently with other parents whose children will be attending
>the same school as my daughter and simply put I was very much in your camp
>during that deabte. Simply put, I agree with you and would like so see the
>Government fund all requirements for EACH AND EVERY child's education. I am
>quite new to this (Parenting and schools) but I can already see that the
>funding is just not there. We are quite lucky in the school my Daughter will
>be going to as it is well stocked with the basics but that is in no small
>part down to the parents/teachers. It is all well and good lobbying the
>Government with Stiff letters etc, an exercise I might add that is also
>going on in parallel to the parent/teacher fund raising but you only get one
>shot at giving your children the best and by the time the Government (This
>one or the next one) have got around to accepting the argument/debate (if
>they ever do) that investment in schools is an investment in the Country's
>future my daughter will likely be halfway (at best) through the system and
>time would have been lost. She starts in September, the school needs new kit
>NOW!
>
>I am not prepared to have my child, or others for that matter have a
>substandard experience for the sake of a morale stand against the
>Government.

I am sorry if this seems like amoral stand against the government. It
isn't. I have over 35 years experience of education from the inside.
The experience of children in education today is poorer than that of
previous generations - even with the valiant efforts of staff and
parents taken into account. For years we have been papering over the
cracks. Your children will suffer a poorer education than is possible
(just as mine did and in fact still are at university). Unless the
public which effectively means parents take a stand and say no the
situation will only deteriorate.

>
>The flip side to the raising money of course is that if the Children are
>actively involved it is an exercise in learning all by itself. Learning to
>make things, learning to budget to be able to do so, and to 'Sell for a
>Profit' and then decide where to invest the proceeds, not to mention of
>course the enjoyment and self satisfaction that that can go with it.
>

There will always be possibilities for this even when the school is
adequately funded. I remember running a share based company with pupils
in the mid 60's long before such ideas were fashionable and while funds
were quite adequate if not generous. They can still be given such
experiences without it being a life and death battle to raise funds for
the basics.

>
>
>So on that note a BIG thanks to the other respondents to my query for ideas,
>I particularly like the fridge magnets and the acrylic key rings and I have
>already visited www.kasstzam.com and will be in touch.
>
>Thanks again.... I will undoubtedly return for further advice !!

--
Malcolm Kane

mwroberts0

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Jul 21, 2003, 7:10:10 AM7/21/03
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Hi... I taught in primary schools and as a hospital teacher for some years,
so know the problem from several angles. Now I am involved with fundraising
for friends involved in projects in the third world!
You might get a few ideas for child crafting from scout/guide sites and
family crafting sites(try about.com for links). One to start would be
www.makingfriends.com
It wouldn't pay to buy their precut items as they are from the USA but the
ideas are good.

A U.K. source of project packs (everything cut/included) is Smitcraft.
A catalogue can be ordered from their site
www.smitcraft.com
They are projects suitable for various ages and come in multiples of 5 or
20:
leather neck purses, finger puppets, baseball caps and bags for painting,
lavender bags and pompom pets etc.
Also a range of Christmas decorations and cards -great for family crafting
with a quality product at the end.

Hope this will help. I'll post a special fundraising idea later tonight.
Robin


mwroberts0

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Jul 21, 2003, 7:33:12 PM7/21/03
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The local 'Friends of the Hospital' came up with a good fund raising idea a
few years ago.
They set up a Christmas competition (money prizes of a few pounds) to find
the best decorated houses in the area. At first it was Christmas lights and
designs on the walls. Then many added wooden/plastic scenes in their front
gardens and opened them to visitors. Some with garages opening onto parking
compounds have set up mechanical scenes in their garages or conservatories.
Families come from miles to see the display and the local paper publishes a
list of streets worth visiting (it is a large housing estate). Several
houses have collecting buckets in place for the hospital. One retired man
collects over a thousand pounds a year as his garage and garden display has
become a major attraction - neighbours take it in turns to be on duty
throughout December!
The local Macdonalds gains a lot of family business. The competition is no
longer held but the displays have become a traditional 'must visit'.
Perhaps your area (especially if it is a small town or village) could try
something similar with the addition of refreshments and craft stalls in a
local hall.
Hope this 'seeds' some ideas,
Robin


Steve

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Jul 22, 2003, 6:42:01 AM7/22/03
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Malcolm.. I am not doubting your experience of teaching from the inside
however whatever stance I would wish to take, my daughter starts school in
September! I can't put it on hold! She get's one chance, period!

I thought perhaps I had over stated the plight of her school however what I
said in my initial post was

"it became apparent that funding is somewhat tight" and that "the school


very much rely on Parental help to raise additional funds".

My point being I have not suggested that the school is in dire straights and
is without funding for the absolute basics but I was looking for ideas for
'Additional funding'. Examples of expenditure with this 'additional funding'
in years past are, interactive whiteboards for some of the classrooms. They
are developing a 'quiet' area in an part covered atrium where the children
that wish to sit and read and lunch time can do so!

Perhaps in an ideal world the funding would be centrally available for
'Interactive Whiteboards for every classroom and a 'quiet area' for all
schools but I don't believe that is necessarily the function of Central
Government. Just this last weekend I attended a BBQ at the school. This was
aimed at again raising more funds for 'additional items' yet to be
determined. The event was enjoyable not least because it allowed the
children teachers and parents to socialise together and as crass as this may
seem, it makes you feel part of a 'family'. If there we no necessity to have
to raise additional funding I wonder if these events would happen at all,
despite the opportunity to do so always being there as you pointed out.

When I was a child you pretty much made you own way to school and your
parents turned up twice a year, once for Parents evening to see how good,
bad (or indifferent in my case) your performance was and the at Christmas
there was a half hearted Carol Service, that was it. The point being that no
matter what the circumstances of the requirement for extra money, there is a
'bringing together of the school community to support any shortfall and,
from my very limited experience, it does seem to have a beneficial effect on
the parents teachers and of course the children.

I am now 40 so I was at school when you were presumably starting your time
(I have over 35 years experience of education from the inside) in education
and I have to say, and like you I can only talk about my experience but the
teaching my child has received so far is far superior to anything I received
35 years ago!

We could debate all day about the rights wrongs and indifferences of funding
for education however I will agree with you that, quote..

"Your children will suffer a poorer education than is possible (just as mine
did and in fact still are at university). Unless the public which
effectively means parents take a stand and say no the situation will only

deteriorate." Unquote

I wholeheartedly agree that parents should take a stand and take the
responsibility for educating their children! Schools have a phenomenally
important role to play in education but I think it is a mistake to suggest
they (schools) should be the 'primary' educators, I firmly believe that is
the parents responsibility!

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