Non-legit tax discs - detectable?
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"John Smith" <jo...@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
> supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
>
> It seems that what happens is this. A tax disc is dated for
> approx 12 months after the date it is issued. When the present
> date moves into the next month the stock of tax discs which are
> valid for 11 months become invalid.
>
> It seems that matey gets these through some back door.
>
> The strangest thing is that he was strenuously maintaining that
> even if a policeman wanted to give a car with such a tax disc a
> thorough check then the tax disc would stand up to any such
> checking.
>
> I can't see how thois could be so. Presumably the DVLA have the
> tax disc's serial number logged against the car it was issued to.
> He says his dodgy discs can pass through such a check.
>
> Seems odd to me. Even odder is that such surplus tax discs are,
> allegedly, simply not accounted for by some internal checks.
>
> Surely this man is wrong. Any views?
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" I can't see how thois could be so. Presumably the DVLA have the tax
disc's serial number logged against the car it was issued to. He says his
dodgy discs can pass through such a check. "
The other night there was a programme called *Car Wars* on BBC1. The police
were driving along, and their system was automatically checking
number-plates against the PNC (Police National Computer). The coppers were
saying how it checks for wanted, stolen and unlicensed vehicles etc. They
were also telling one guy that he wasn't insured to drive the vehicle he was
in.
When I get my tax from the post office, I see that they always log the
details on a form along with many others. I'm guessing that these forms are
sent to the DVLA for inclusion on their database (linked to the PNC). If he
is in cahoots with someone at the post office, then they could log down the
vehicles on their form when he sells the disc, but that would probably cause
anomolies in the post office accounts.
People are obviously breaking the law by supplying these surplus discs in
the first place, and if they are managing to register details with the DVLA
then they are probably breaking a second law. All counted, there would
probably be four or five laws broken in the entire process, so the bloke
down the pub can't expect a light treatment if he's caught. I doubt that he
can get these discs properly registered anyway, so he's probably a lying
git.
Dave
> supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
> even if a policeman wanted to give a car with such a tax disc a
> thorough check then the tax disc would stand up to any such
> checking.
Absolute load of bull to be honest. The tax disk may well warrant a pass by
a passing traffic-warden and a copper ambling by may also think all is well
but if the Police were actually checking out the vehicle they would radio in
to base and ask for a vehicle check. The computer would immediately show
that the vehicle is untaxed regardless of what is actually shown in the
windscreen.
Using dodgy tax disks is like playing double-jeopardy. You may get away with
it if a passing copper / warden sees it. However, if you are pulled by a
copper there's every chance he's already radioed in a vehicle check request
and he's going to be mighty interested if you have what appears to be a
valid tax disk shown in the windscreen but no record of having bought one
via legal methods. Therefore, you might escape PC Plod on the beat but find
yourself in even hotter water because PC Jam Butty did a check on your car
whilst following and is now going to screw you not only for road tax evasion
but fraud aswell. :/
At the end of the day, you could make a carbon-copy perfect match of a tax
disk just like people who try to counterfeit currency do but the big
difference between the two is that car tax disks are related to a vehicle
and checks can be made to ensure that the tax disk in question belongs to
that vehicle. If it doesn't, then you're toast! :)
Dave
Tim S Kemp
database so you don't need to show your insurance annually, MOTs will get
computerised so that'll be a non-issue. DVLA should just send an annual
reminder out to confirm you are still the reg'd keeper that you have to
return to confirm / update records.
Gareth A.
wrote:
>I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
>supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
>
>It seems that what happens is this. A tax disc is dated for
>approx 12 months after the date it is issued. When the present
>date moves into the next month the stock of tax discs which are
>valid for 11 months become invalid.
>
>It seems that matey gets these through some back door.
>
>The strangest thing is that he was strenuously maintaining that
>even if a policeman wanted to give a car with such a tax disc a
>thorough check then the tax disc would stand up to any such
>checking.
>
>I can't see how thois could be so. Presumably the DVLA have the
>tax disc's serial number logged against the car it was issued to.
>He says his dodgy discs can pass through such a check.
>
>Seems odd to me. Even odder is that such surplus tax discs are,
>allegedly, simply not accounted for by some internal checks.
>
>Surely this man is wrong. Any views?
Do believe what somebody selling stolen tax discs is telling you?! I
thought not.
The tax discs are recorded against the car they are sold for. It used
to be in a book where it was presumably transcribed at the DVLA
offices, but now they seem to be updated through the post office
computer system.
I imagine all unissued tax discs will not have a sales record on the
DVLA computer. There must be quite a few holes in the system and, up
to now, a disc that came up as "not recorded" or whatever might have
been overlooked, but with the new computer system a "not recorded"
disc was found on a car it might be looked at closer.
Either way the prospective purchasers are far better off getting a
laser printed one because for a forged VEL you would probably just get
them a fine, but a stolen one will probably get a grilling by the
police and something nastier on their criminal record.
Gareth
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"Dave" <parva4[spamtrap]@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> At the end of the day, you could make a carbon-copy perfect match of a tax
> disk just like people who try to counterfeit currency do but the big
> difference between the two is that car tax disks are related to a vehicle
> and checks can be made to ensure that the tax disk in question belongs to
> that vehicle. If it doesn't, then you're toast! :)
>
Indeed. Someone I know thought it would be a wheeze to stick a false
personalised number plate on his car. He didn't own the plate but apparently
neither did anyone else. First couple of times he got stopped by the police,
he gave them a story about him only just sending the registration documents
off - they were probably still in the post and not on the computer system.
Over the next week or two, the police repeatedly stopped with increasing
frequency - I guess when you get stopped, these things get noted! Needless
to say, he got rid of the plate before the coppers took action. He always
has been lucky. Probably even more lucky since he put them on over the top
of his old plates with velcro. Imagine how that'd look if the police had
pulled one off?!?!?
Anyway the point of my little story is thus - if you get stopped by a copper
who thinks there may be something wrong with your dodgy tax but you manage
to weasle out of it, you can bet your life that won't be the last you'll
hear of it.
My advice - don't bother.
Chris.
Stuffed
"Gareth A." <gar...@nospamplease-attrill.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Either way the prospective purchasers are far better off getting a
> laser printed one because for a forged VEL you would probably just get
> them a fine, but a stolen one will probably get a grilling by the
> police and something nastier on their criminal record.
I wouldn't mind a couple of bent discs if they look like the real thing -
Reason being:
Even though a friend of mine has to pay a supplement towards their parking
space (off road private car park) the car also has to be taxed. That's a
right pain if the MOT is out, or if cash is tight, or other similar reasons.
And the only reason a car would ever be left there in those circumstances is
because it would not be needed on the road, and so I am not talking about
defrauding the chancellor in all this. Although yes, I am talking about
breaking a housing association rule of course..
I have a similar set up where I live, but thankfully the neighbours here
don't really give a flying about an untaxed car parked in the car park, and
so aren't likely to go running off to the association the minute the tax
runs out.
Ronny
> supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
>
> It seems that what happens is this. A tax disc is dated for
> approx 12 months after the date it is issued. When the present
> date moves into the next month the stock of tax discs which are
> valid for 11 months become invalid.
>
> It seems that matey gets these through some back door.
>
> The strangest thing is that he was strenuously maintaining that
> even if a policeman wanted to give a car with such a tax disc a
> thorough check then the tax disc would stand up to any such
> checking.
>
> I can't see how thois could be so. Presumably the DVLA have the
> tax disc's serial number logged against the car it was issued to.
> He says his dodgy discs can pass through such a check.
>
> Seems odd to me. Even odder is that such surplus tax discs are,
> allegedly, simply not accounted for by some internal checks.
>
> Surely this man is wrong. Any views?
Yup its wrong, when you fill out a renewal for you tax you take it to the
post office and they register the tax disc against your car, the details are
then sent to Swansea and held on DVLA computers, The police run PNC <police
national computer> checks on cars and it will tell them you have no tax,
also some of the mobile speed camera's you see are actually tax evasion
camera's they have a direct link to Swansea and about 100yrds up the road
you "will" be pulled over by mr police man.
It doesn't end there, when you get caught with a dodgy Tax disc, you will
then be prosecuted for FRAUD, this means you will receive a criminal
conviction, driving with no tax is more sensible<?>., as this is just a fine
and a slap on the wrist.
Now since the new Road Fund laws have come out, your car will be towed away
if you don't have tax, this doesn't mean a piece of paper it means buying
tax and registering your car, or you declare its not on the road <SORN>
Statutory Off Road Notification. If you don't follow these procedures your
are liable to get your either A: clamped b: towed away c: crushed.
You may fool a dippy traffic warden but that's about it, they also have use
of the PNC.
And you insurance may invalidate any claim as you shouldn't be on the road
without tax/Sorn.
Its not worth the hassle, just pay your 90 quid.
HTH
Ronny
Nom
> I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
With a saving of a mere £80 every six months, why on earth would anyone
bother ?
If I were to attempt fraud, I'd at least do it on something that saved you a
reasonable amount of cash !
Adrian
much like they were saying :
And to confirm your bank account details for the Direct Debit?
Adrian
were saying :
> Even though a friend of mine has to pay a supplement towards their
> parking space (off road private car park) the car also has to be
> taxed. That's a right pain if the MOT is out, or if cash is tight, or
> other similar reasons. And the only reason a car would ever be left
> there in those circumstances is because it would not be needed on the
> road
Go down to Halfords and buy a car cover. Problem solved.
Adrian
were saying :
>> I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
>> supplies non-legit tax discs for cars...
> With a saving of a mere £80 every six months, why on earth would
> anyone bother ?
Because it isn't just a saving of £80/6 months.
> If I were to attempt fraud, I'd at least do it on something that saved
> you a reasonable amount of cash !
How about saving £80/6 months, plus a couple of hundred quid to get the car
put right for the MOT, plus a grand's insurance per year?
Is that worth the (minimal) risk?
Mikedmc
"Adrian" <spam...@achapman.freeisp.co.uk> wrote in message
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No that sounds like you should just get rid of the car as you obviously
can't afford to run it :).
Graham Wilson
wrote:
>How about saving £80/6 months, plus a couple of hundred quid to get the car
>put right for the MOT, plus a grand's insurance per year?
How about someone who is not insured who is involved in a serious
accident where there is personal injury to the other motorist.
Solicitors for the other motorist discover that offender is not
insured. They refer the claim to the Motor Insurers Bureau (MIB) who
pay out the compensation claim on the grounds of the culprit being an
uninsured motorist.
The culprit owns his own home. Motor Insurers Bureau (MIB) sue the
culprit to recover all of the damages and all the legal costs. The MIB
apply to make the culprit bankrupt. Culprit potentially looses their
home.
Worth it?
Graham
Matt B
> supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
Another bureaucratic dogs breakfast of a system employing 1000's of civil
servants to pursue motorists for yet more unjust, uncollectable tax. Would
we accept the necessity to invent a special duty payable on the ownership
(not the purchase) of any other private possession? Why only on cars? Yet
again we see the private motorist being discriminated against :-(
Matt B
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Graham Wilson
<gra...@dircon.co.uk> wrote:
(snip)
>The culprit owns his own home. Motor Insurers Bureau (MIB) sue the
>culprit to recover all of the damages and all the legal costs. The MIB
>apply to make the culprit bankrupt. Culprit potentially looses their
>home.
I have just checked with the Motor Insurers Bureau (MIB).
Each year the MIB deal with around 40,000 claims in respect of
uninsured motorists.
Having paid out to the victim the MIB say they then go onto pursue
35,000 people each year to recover the money paid out by the MIB.
In other words they will go after 7 out of 8 motorists where an MIB
claim has been made.
The MIB also make their database available to the insurance companies.
Suppose you are not insured and you have an accident. The MIB pay out
compensation to the other motorist. The MIB then sue you to recover
the damages and legal costs paid out by the MIB.
Assuming you are not bankrupt, you now decide that you will obtain
insurance for the future.
Apart from the fact that you may have penalty points on your licence
and you will have to declare the accident, the insurance company may
penalise you because the MIB's system tells them that you were
previously an uninsured motorist.
Graham
Joe
the road. Yes these police vans exist they are covered in the news, a patrol
car sits further along the road and pulls them over gives them a summons to
appear in court, or whatever other action he finds acceptable.
Have you not seen the advertising lately on that a computer now just checks
all the cars in the country for invalid tax discs? £80 fines for 97,000
drivers =£7,760,000 nice sum for the treasury
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3511714.stm.
Silk
Would
> we accept the necessity to invent a special duty payable on the ownership
> (not the purchase) of any other private possession?
It's not a tax on ownership. You only need it if you will be using it on
a public road. If you are using a private vehicle on a private road, you
don't have to pay.
Matt B
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I wonder what proportion of privately owned vehicles are never used on
public roads.
Matt B
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Nom
> Nom (N...@Somewhere.Somewhere) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying :
>> saved you a reasonable amount of cash !
>
> How about saving £80/6 months, plus a couple of hundred quid to get
> the car put right for the MOT, plus a grand's insurance per year?
How does an illegitimate tax disc, allow you access to free insurance and a
free MOT ?
Adrian
they were saying :
>>How about saving £80/6 months, plus a couple of hundred quid to get
>>the car put right for the MOT, plus a grand's insurance per year?
> How about someone who is not insured who is involved in a serious
> accident where there is personal injury to the other motorist.
>
> Solicitors for the other motorist discover that offender is not
> insured. They refer the claim to the Motor Insurers Bureau (MIB) who
> pay out the compensation claim on the grounds of the culprit being an
> uninsured motorist.
>
> The culprit owns his own home. Motor Insurers Bureau (MIB) sue the
> culprit to recover all of the damages and all the legal costs. The MIB
> apply to make the culprit bankrupt. Culprit potentially looses their
> home.
>
> Worth it?
Do me a favour! It sounds as if you think that I'm *supporting* buying a
hooky tax disc off a bloke in the pub who swears it's legit!
I'm just pointing out that the potential savings in doing so are a bit
more than just the cost of the tax disc.
Silk
> I wonder what proportion of privately owned vehicles are never used on
> public roads.
Probably not many, but I can think of a few examples: Lots of farm
vehicles; parks and estates - I know that Center Parcs, for example,
operate a fleet of vehicles that never go on a public road.
Although that's not really the point. You suggested it's a tax on
ownership. That is obviously not the case.
clarky
"John Smith" <jo...@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
> supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
>
> approx 12 months after the date it is issued. When the present
> date moves into the next month the stock of tax discs which are
> valid for 11 months become invalid.
>
> It seems that matey gets these through some back door.
>
> The strangest thing is that he was strenuously maintaining that
> even if a policeman wanted to give a car with such a tax disc a
> thorough check then the tax disc would stand up to any such
> checking.
>
> I can't see how thois could be so. Presumably the DVLA have the
> tax disc's serial number logged against the car it was issued to.
> He says his dodgy discs can pass through such a check.
>
> Seems odd to me. Even odder is that such surplus tax discs are,
> allegedly, simply not accounted for by some internal checks.
>
> Surely this man is wrong. Any views?
The tax discs will become "valid" again after another 5 months as you can
buy a 6 month disc.
Adrian
Isn't that rather obvious?
The bloke in the pub doesn't ask to see the paperwork in that horribly
inconvenient way that the little old lady in the post office does...
Means you can also get away with not having to register the car in a real
name and address, avoiding those pesky speed cameras.
For the kind of person that buys cut-price goods off a bloke in a pub,
these are minor points.
They're also the very reason why I'm in favour of the ANPR vans and real
plod for road policing and against Speed Cameras
Rob
lot less hassle :) well for now anyways
Matt B
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> "Matt B" <matt.bo...@london.com> wrote:
>
> > Another bureaucratic dogs breakfast of a system employing
> > 1000's of civil servants to pursue motorists for yet more
> > unjust, uncollectable tax. Would we accept the necessity to
> > invent a special duty payable on the ownership (not the
> > purchase) of any other private possession? Why only on cars?
>
Yes, although, for some reason it is called a "Licence" not an "Excise
Duty". At least the revenue from it is 100% hypothecated :-)
Matt B
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"Jason W." <not...@mail.com> wrote in message
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> "Joe" <joe_g_g(spam)@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Have you not seen the advertising lately on that a computer
> > now just checks all the cars in the country for invalid tax
> > discs?
>
> regularly parks in my street. I report it to the DVLA hotline and
> nothing happens.
You get the idea from the police TV shows that they have too many of these
to deal with.
They'd do nothing else if they responded every time their little box of
tricks beeped.
> > £80 fines for 97,000 drivers =£7,760,000 nice sum for
> > the treasury http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3511714.stm.
Seeing as its for people who haven't had discs since december, is that good
or bad?
What proportion of those are forgetful or have just moved etc.?
Its very easy to forget an MOT, the VED stuff gives plenty of warning.
nightjar
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> "John Smith" <jo...@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:94C338B1...@67.98.68.12...
> > I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
> > supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
>
> Another bureaucratic dogs breakfast of a system employing 1000's of civil
> servants to pursue motorists for yet more unjust, uncollectable tax.
Would
> we accept the necessity to invent a special duty payable on the ownership
> (not the purchase) of any other private possession? Why only on cars?
It isn't only cars. Other road vehicles pay it too. However, the clue is in
the original name - Road Fund Licence. It was introduced to fund the road
network that the vehicles use. As the 2001-2002 expenditure on roads in the
UK was £4,801 million and the income from the VED was £4,884 million, it
still seems to be doing just that, allowing for the small (1.73% in this
case) discrepancies that are inevitable at that level of budget.
Colin Bignell
Tim S Kemp
> plod for road policing and against Speed Cameras
Bollox to it, might as well put fake number plates copied from same model
found at random in a car park too.
Stuffed
Been there, done that. Mysteriously the cover would be half off the car
every other morning, even when held down with gaffer tape. In the most
sheltered spot in the car park as well. Intelligent wind, or sneaky little
buggers?
MrCheerful
"John Smith" <jo...@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
> supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
>
> approx 12 months after the date it is issued. When the present
> date moves into the next month the stock of tax discs which are
> valid for 11 months become invalid.
>
> It seems that matey gets these through some back door.
>
> The strangest thing is that he was strenuously maintaining that
> even if a policeman wanted to give a car with such a tax disc a
> thorough check then the tax disc would stand up to any such
> checking.
>
> I can't see how thois could be so. Presumably the DVLA have the
> tax disc's serial number logged against the car it was issued to.
> He says his dodgy discs can pass through such a check.
>
> Seems odd to me. Even odder is that such surplus tax discs are,
> allegedly, simply not accounted for by some internal checks.
>
> Surely this man is wrong. Any views?
The tv program on number plate recognition cars said that the police usually
didn't get more than a quarter of a mile without the ANPR system detecting
something worthy of a stop ! How could these hooky discs possibly be
computer linked to your vehicle registration? Just drive without tax, when
you are stopped the fine is laughable (if they bother to prosecute)
mrcheerful
Mark W
"John Smith" <jo...@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
> supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
Funny, if he was *really* doing something like this, would he be boasting
about it like that?
Triffid
> news:c4u369$2mt0vf$1...@ID-216520.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> expenditure on roads in the UK was £4,801 million and the income from
> the VED was £4,884 million, it still seems to be doing just that,
> allowing for the small (1.73% in this case) discrepancies that are
> inevitable at that level of budget.
>
And the money from the fuel tax goes where, exactly?
Terry D
There's an M reg Vauxall Astra in the car park near my local shops with a
tax disc dated 11/03. It always seems to be in the same parking space, so
I'm not sure whether it's being driven on public roads. Should I report
this and if so, to whom?
Terry D.
Chris B
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>
> There's an M reg Vauxall Astra in the car park near my local shops with a
> tax disc dated 11/03. It always seems to be in the same parking space, so
> I'm not sure whether it's being driven on public roads. Should I report
> this and if so, to whom?
>
Is it in a public parking space at the side of the road, or in a private car
park? If it's a private car park, then the only people who really need worry
about it would be the owners of the car park. I suppose they could get the
council to tow it away if they didn't want it there (say it's been illegally
dumped on the property - dunno exactly how it works though). In that case,
it's probably none of your business really. If it's just at the side of the
road, then yes you could get it removed - best phone the council or the
police really - they'll come along, stick a 'Police Aware' notice on it,
it'll probably get ripped off or something - they'll come back, put another
one on it, then they'll wait until the windows are smashed and it's set on
fire before the council gets someone to tow it away ;)
Chris.
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send the details to:
unlic...@gtnet.gov.uk
they will send an inspector, so tell them the vehicle type, colour and reg.
when it can be seen and where, any details of the tax disk and where you
suspect the owner is living (if known)
mrcheerful
AstraVanMan
> hooky tax disc off a bloke in the pub who swears it's legit!
>
> I'm just pointing out that the potential savings in doing so are a bit
> more than just the cost of the tax disc.
It's not exactly that simple. I recently bought a Fiesta van without any
tax, and got away with driving it 50+ miles home. Then I went straight down
the post office to get V10 and V62 forms for it (log book had been lost),
and filled them in. I then sent off the V62, and picked up another one and
filled that in (just in case I might manage to tax it with the V62 instead
of a log book, knowing that the rules say you can't). I was then stopped 3
times during the course of a week - first time I'd been picked up by a
camera (pretty sure it was a mobile camera about a mile before the traffic
lights where I was pulled over by means of police motorcyclist tapping on my
window and asking me to drive down to a car park where we would have a
chat). I explained I'd recently got the vehicle and hadn't yet received the
insurance certificate through, and showed him the completed V10 form, which
showed that I had intent to tax it as of the beginning of March (this was
about half way through March) so I would be backdating the tax so I would
have paid for tax for all the time I had been driving it. I got a producer
and went on my way.
Next time was on Moorgate in the City of London - pulled over by a cop in
the central reservation / taxi layby in the middle of the road. Explained
the situation to him, showed him forms, he did a vehicle check and mentioned
that it hadn't had a registered keeper in about 2 years. I show him the
producer I'd already been given and say that it'd be pointless giving me
another one, so he doesn't.
Then the next day I phone up DVLA asking if there's any way I can tax it
without the log book (one day after having sent off the V62 is not soon
enough to make enquiries!) and they inform me of a loophole that says if a
vehicle doesn't currently have a registered keeper (as mine didn't) then
it's possible to obtain a tax disc from a DVLA local office with the V62
(and the £19 additional stealth tax) along with the usual documents.
With that in mind, on the way back from a delivery I had near Wimbledon
Stadium, I decided to pop into the Wimbledon DVLA office to get a tax disc.
A set of temporary traffic lights at some roadworks had just gone green, and
I was just going through them when I noticed a police car that had just gone
through them (in the other direction) turning around behind me. "Here we go
again", I say to myself. They pull me over, I explain I'm on my way to the
DVLA office 300 yards down the road to tax the thing, show them all the
forms (and now the cheque written out as well) and I'm on my way.
All that, and despite all these adverts warning us of automatic fines, a bit
of politeness, plus using my brain and filling in a V10 form ready to wave
at a policeman should the need arise, still goes a long way, it would seem.
So it's hardly a small risk. The cameras check the reg number against a
database, and if the car isn't legally taxed you will get pulled up. Sooner
rather than later, certainly from my experience.
Oh, and if anyone's interested the log book came within a couple of weeks.
10/10 to the DVLA.
Peter
Dave Plowman
Dave <parva4[spamtrap]@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Absolute load of bull to be honest. The tax disk may well warrant a pass
> by a passing traffic-warden and a copper ambling by may also think all
> is well but if the Police were actually checking out the vehicle they
> would radio in to base and ask for a vehicle check. The computer would
> immediately show that the vehicle is untaxed regardless of what is
> actually shown in the windscreen.
I'd have thought the rubber stamp part might be hard to forge as well - to
a trained eye.
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RIP Acorn
Dave Plowman
Stuffed <me...@theworld.com> wrote:
> I have a similar set up where I live, but thankfully the neighbours here
> don't really give a flying about an untaxed car parked in the car park,
> and so aren't likely to go running off to the association the minute the
> tax runs out.
They might well do if everyone did it - keeping old wrecks there because
they didn't want to pay to have them disposed of, or were keeping them for
spare parts.
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Doug
"John Smith" <jo...@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:94C338B1...@67.98.68.12...
> I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
> supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
>
> approx 12 months after the date it is issued. When the present
> date moves into the next month the stock of tax discs which are
> valid for 11 months become invalid.
>
> It seems that matey gets these through some back door.
>
> The strangest thing is that he was strenuously maintaining that
> even if a policeman wanted to give a car with such a tax disc a
> thorough check then the tax disc would stand up to any such
> checking.
>
> I can't see how thois could be so. Presumably the DVLA have the
> tax disc's serial number logged against the car it was issued to.
> He says his dodgy discs can pass through such a check.
>
> Seems odd to me. Even odder is that such surplus tax discs are,
> allegedly, simply not accounted for by some internal checks.
>
> Surely this man is wrong. Any views?
Its somewhat irrelevant these days anyway. Now that the post office has
computerised and details go to the DVLA almost instantly when you renew your
tax disc, fines are being sent out automatically from the DVLA computer.
If you have a stolen disc your car will be flagged as untaxed on the
computer hence you get a fine.
On top of that the ANPR systems the police are using all over the place will
have you pulled for it pretty quickly.
nightjar
As it goes into the general Exchequer, I can't say where, exactly. However,
unlike the VED, it never was related to expenditure on roads, or any form of
transport. Like similar duties on alcohol and tobacco, it has always been a
simple excise duty, intended to raise money to run the country.
Colin Bignell
Nom
It pays for your local Hospital.
And your local Police Station. And it's officers. And your local School. And
it's teachers. And...
Need I go on ?
Assuming they abolished the fuel tax to please you - where do you propose
they raise the necessary squillion pounds from instead ?
Matt B
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> Triffid wrote:
> >> "Matt B" <matt.bo...@london.com> wrote in message
> >> news:c4u369$2mt0vf$1...@ID-216520.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >>
> >> As the 2001-2002
> >> expenditure on roads in the UK was £4,801 million and the income from
> >> the VED was £4,884 million, it still seems to be doing just that,
> >> allowing for the small (1.73% in this case) discrepancies that are
> >> inevitable at that level of budget.
Incorrect attribution it was written by "nightjar .uk.com" I believe.
> >>
> > And the money from the fuel tax goes where, exactly?
>
> It pays for your local Hospital.
>
> And your local Police Station. And it's officers. And your local School.
And
> it's teachers. And...
>
> Need I go on ?
>
> Assuming they abolished the fuel tax to please you - where do you propose
> they raise the necessary squillion pounds from instead ?
Spread the load amongst non-motorists too through income tax or VAT?
Matt B
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> > And the money from the fuel tax goes where, exactly?
>
> It pays for your local Hospital.
>
> And your local Police Station. And it's officers.
I thought the last lot got paid from local council tax? Like fire and
ambulance? If not, why has the police portion of my council tax just gone up
by a whopping 13%? Are they suddenly paying Specials for shitty work on a
Saturday night? I think not.
"...and in my day you used to see a bobby on every street corner" ;-)
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Al Reynolds
"Nom" <N...@Somewhere.Somewhere> wrote in message
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>
>
> And your local Police Station. And it's officers. And your local School.
And
> it's teachers. And...
>
> Need I go on ?
>
> Assuming they abolished the fuel tax to please you - where do you propose
> they raise the necessary squillion pounds from instead ?
Is it fair to tax people for schools and police officers according
to how many miles a year they drive? Just because one person
spends more money on petrol in a year than another doesn't
mean they are capable of paying a similar proportion more tax -
tax which is not spent on the UK roads or road system.
Al
Stewart Gardiner
"Al Reynolds" <ajr-...@bat400.com> wrote in message
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>
> Is it fair to tax people for schools and police officers according
> to how many miles a year they drive? Just because one person
> spends more money on petrol in a year than another doesn't
> mean they are capable of paying a similar proportion more tax -
> tax which is not spent on the UK roads or road system.
>
> Al
In short, no. But one of the purposes of the tax system is to act as a
system of incentives and disincentives to produce socially desirable
outcomes.
Tobacco is taxed because it is harmful and creates costs on the public
health system. Petrol is taxed to encourage people to drive fuel-efficient
cars, which is better for the environment and everyone's health.
I don't have a problem with this as long as an affordable and reliable
public transport system exists alongside the road system so that people can
exercise realistic choices. This is certainly not the case at the moment.
Martyn Hodson
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> "Nom" <N...@Somewhere.Somewhere> wrote in message
> news:c50dh...@news2.newsguy.com...
>
> > > And the money from the fuel tax goes where, exactly?
> >
> > It pays for your local Hospital.
> >
> > And your local Police Station. And it's officers.
>
> I thought the last lot got paid from local council tax? Like fire and
> ambulance? If not, why has the police portion of my council tax just gone
up
> by a whopping 13%? Are they suddenly paying Specials for shitty work on a
> Saturday night? I think not.
>
> "...and in my day you used to see a bobby on every street corner" ;-)
>
the Ambulance service , as an NHS body, is funded by central taxation, ditto
Hospitals and other NHS services
while the police and fire service have an aspect of local taxation funding,
a good proportion of local funding is a grant from central govt funded by
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Sales!
<jo...@nomail.com> said:
>I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
>supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
>
>It seems that what happens is this. A tax disc is dated for
>approx 12 months after the date it is issued. When the present
>date moves into the next month the stock of tax discs which are
>valid for 11 months become invalid.
>
>It seems that matey gets these through some back door.
>
>The strangest thing is that he was strenuously maintaining that
>even if a policeman wanted to give a car with such a tax disc a
>thorough check then the tax disc would stand up to any such
>checking.
>
>I can't see how thois could be so. Presumably the DVLA have the
>tax disc's serial number logged against the car it was issued to.
>He says his dodgy discs can pass through such a check.
You're right, up to a point.
The disc will pass an inspection, so a policeman / traffic warden won't see
anything amiss - by the sound of it it really is a valid tax disc.
But if the police do a PNC (national computer) check, they will find the car is
not taxed according to DVLA. This will "interest" them, particularly as the
disc will have been dated long enough for the data to have reached DVLA.
Anyone buying and using the discs will be committing a rather serious offence,
I think, worse than merely not having a valid tax disc. Dunno if matey selling
them is, as such, not sure what his offence will turn out to be.
There is a trick which would work, I think. You buy two identical modern but
cheap cars, clone the number plates and buy a hookey tax disc, then the PNC
check shows registration abc123 as taxed.
It would show up in an accident because the Vin plates won't always match MoT
records, etc.
MrCheerful
"Sales!" <Ques...@bargain-pricings.com> wrote in message
news:j92870l83f2ns8kiu...@4ax.com...
The cheap dodge for tax used to be:
buy a one year tax disc, after a month or two declare it as lost or stolen
and get a replacement, after another month or two send it back for a refund
and use the original tax disc. This is no longer appropriate unless you
scarcely use the vehicle and mainly want the vehicle to appear taxed to a
casual visual check (as opposed to ANPR)
MrCheerful
Pinky
"John Smith" <jo...@nomail.com> wrote in message news:94C338B1...@67.98.68.12...
| It seems that what happens is this. A tax disc is dated for
| approx 12 months after the date it is issued. When the present
| date moves into the next month the stock of tax discs which are
| valid for 11 months become invalid.
load of bollox mates, when i used to work in a post office we kept the tax discs for 9 months or so cos some honest ppl do actually
back date tax and when they get a bollocking of the old bill they have to back date tax, also a 12 month tax disc is sold as a six
month tax disc 6 months down the road, and they were kept till they had about 3 months on em, at which point they were sent to local
MVLA place. this was also in the days when the PO used to write everything down and post stuff to the dvla, now they do it by the
post code on the tax disc you stand no chance of being able to use a dodgy disc even if you could get hold of one, they old bill
would catch you by them new scanning machines.
Pinky
Nom
Nope.
I wasn't saying the existing system was fair - I was merely pointing out
that the money has to come from somewhere !
The only fair method of taxation, is income tax - everyone can pay the same
percentage, and everyone can have the same left over after-tax (ie, a person
on double the salary, will have double the money left over after tax)
But for some reason the general population are opposed to it.
Nom
> "Nom" <N...@Somewhere.Somewhere> wrote in message
> news:c50dh...@news2.newsguy.com...
>> Triffid wrote:
>>>> "Matt B" <matt.bo...@london.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:c4u369$2mt0vf$1...@ID-216520.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>>>
>>>> As the 2001-2002
>>>> expenditure on roads in the UK was £4,801 million and the income
>>>> from the VED was £4,884 million, it still seems to be doing just
>>>> that, allowing for the small (1.73% in this case) discrepancies
>>>> that are inevitable at that level of budget.
>
> Incorrect attribution it was written by "nightjar .uk.com" I believe.
I don't care in the slightest.
:)
>>> And the money from the fuel tax goes where, exactly?
>>
>> It pays for your local Hospital.
>>
>> And your local Police Station. And it's officers. And your local
>> School. And it's teachers. And...
>>
>> Need I go on ?
>>
>> Assuming they abolished the fuel tax to please you - where do you
>> propose they raise the necessary squillion pounds from instead ?
>
> Spread the load amongst non-motorists too through income tax or VAT?
Not an option - the general public is vehemently opposed to VAT and/or
Income Tax rises. For some reason, they prefer "stealth" taxes.
shazzbat
"Nom" <N...@Somewhere.Somewhere> wrote in message
Steve
Stuffed
"Dave Plowman" <dave....@argonet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4c9b8e7cc8...@argonet.co.uk...
> In article <c4stg0$b25$1...@news.freedom2surf.net>,
> Stuffed <me...@theworld.com> wrote:
> > I have a similar set up where I live, but thankfully the neighbours here
> > don't really give a flying about an untaxed car parked in the car park,
> > and so aren't likely to go running off to the association the minute the
> > tax runs out.
>
> They might well do if everyone did it - keeping old wrecks there because
> they didn't want to pay to have them disposed of, or were keeping them for
> spare parts.
There's 23 flats here, 20 ish (depending on how close you want to park)
spaces. One space has a 309 with a smashed screen in it, one has a mk3 Cav
that's never been known to move in it, neither are taxed. I don't mind that
so much, what I do mind is that I know if I let my Triumph run out of tax as
I'm getting round to fixing it, I'll no doubt get hassled about it, because
sod's law works that way.
Instead of a blanket clause in the agreements, there really ought to be a
way of looking at things on a case by case basis, but of course, that would
mean more paperwork, and cost them too much I suppose.
Hotspur
wrote:
>I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
>supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
>
>It seems that what happens is this. A tax disc is dated for
>approx 12 months after the date it is issued. When the present
>date moves into the next month the stock of tax discs which are
>valid for 11 months become invalid.
>
>It seems that matey gets these through some back door.
>
>The strangest thing is that he was strenuously maintaining that
>even if a policeman wanted to give a car with such a tax disc a
>thorough check then the tax disc would stand up to any such
>checking.
>
>I can't see how thois could be so. Presumably the DVLA have the
>tax disc's serial number logged against the car it was issued to.
>He says his dodgy discs can pass through such a check.
>
>Seems odd to me. Even odder is that such surplus tax discs are,
>allegedly, simply not accounted for by some internal checks.
>
>Surely this man is wrong. Any views?
What's the point of even considering it? buy one,knock over a
pedestrian or God forbid a kiddie even if not your fault,say someone
shunted you into a kiddie,you would be paying off the rest of your
life as insurance would be invalid,same as bent MOT slips.
I like a bargain as much as anyone but I don't mess with car,house
contents or any other scam that will invalidate my policy.
You know they will use any excuse not to pay claims.Don't bother with
them mate,just in case!
Lackey
"Nom" <N...@Somewhere.Somewhere> wrote in message
: Al Reynolds wrote:
: Nope.
: I wasn't saying the existing system was fair - I was merely pointing out
: that the money has to come from somewhere !
:
:
True, the royal mint I think its called, the govt can print more money when
they need it, scrap taxes.
Chris B
"Lackey" <gi...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:trXcc.378$3U.7@newsfe1-win...
>
>
> True, the royal mint I think its called, the govt can print more money
when
> they need it, scrap taxes.
>
>
Lol! If only it were that simple ;)
Gawnsoft
<docd...@thehomeofnospam.org> wrote (more or less):
>"Nom" <N...@Somewhere.Somewhere> wrote in message
>news:c50dh...@news2.newsguy.com...
>
>> > And the money from the fuel tax goes where, exactly?
>>
>> It pays for your local Hospital.
>>
>> And your local Police Station. And it's officers.
>
>I thought the last lot got paid from local council tax?
Funded by local councils <> paid from local council tax.
Less than a quarter of local council spending is covered by local
council tax.
> Like fire and
>ambulance? If not, why has the police portion of my council tax just gone up
>by a whopping 13%? Are they suddenly paying Specials for shitty work on a
>Saturday night? I think not.
Because the central government funding stays constant, the local
council tax covers less than a quarter of the spending.
The increase in spending over the entire amount has to be covered by
council tax.
So council tax goes up by a % about 4-5 times higher than the %
increase in local council spending.
Cheers,
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(more or less):
Of course, if they print twice as many notes, pretty quickly each note
becomes worth only half what it used to be worth.
Sales!
<xlu...@users.sourceforge.remove.this.antispam.net> said:
>On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:08:10 +0100, "Lackey" <gi...@ntlworld.com> wrote
>(more or less):
>
>>
>>"Nom" <N...@Somewhere.Somewhere> wrote in message
>>news:c516i...@news2.newsguy.com...
>>: Al Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>: Nope.
>>: I wasn't saying the existing system was fair - I was merely pointing out
>>: that the money has to come from somewhere !
>>:
>>:
>>
>>True, the royal mint I think its called, the govt can print more money when
>>they need it, scrap taxes.
>
>Of course, if they print twice as many notes, pretty quickly each note
>becomes worth only half what it used to be worth.
But that's ok, because the government has got half the money in the country,
and the rich people who, earlier, had all of it, now only have half as well.
Which is basically no different to a flat rate of 50% tax, except that it
automatically also means 50% inflation.
I wouldn't be surprised to find 50% is about right, allowing for stealth taxes.
Mark Edwards
"Tim S Kemp" <ne...@timkemp.karooSPAMTRAP.co.uk> wrote in message
news:wcidnebo3cI...@karoo.co.uk...
> I don't see much point in tax discs now, there is a central insurance
> database so you don't need to show your insurance annually, MOTs will get
> computerised so that'll be a non-issue. DVLA should just send an annual
> reminder out to confirm you are still the reg'd keeper that you have to
> return to confirm / update records.
>
Insurance status is already database'd, and the police have full access to
this. The MOT database is in prep and isn't all that far away, the only
thing that'll slow progress with that is getting the acutal technology into
the MOT stations.
EVL (Electronic Vehicle Licensing) is being piloted as I type, and in time
this will negate the need for Post Office renewals, and enhance the onus on
the driver to get taxed.
Conor
> I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
> supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
>
> It seems that what happens is this. A tax disc is dated for
> approx 12 months after the date it is issued. When the present
> date moves into the next month the stock of tax discs which are
> valid for 11 months become invalid.
>
> It seems that matey gets these through some back door.
>
> The strangest thing is that he was strenuously maintaining that
> even if a policeman wanted to give a car with such a tax disc a
> thorough check then the tax disc would stand up to any such
> checking.
>
> I can't see how thois could be so. Presumably the DVLA have the
> tax disc's serial number logged against the car it was issued to.
> He says his dodgy discs can pass through such a check.
>
> Seems odd to me. Even odder is that such surplus tax discs are,
> allegedly, simply not accounted for by some internal checks.
>
> Surely this man is wrong. Any views?
>
the copper takes a quick shuftie at the disc just to make sure it is in
date.
If you don't SORN it or you drive it down a road with tax disc cameras
expect a fine.
--
Conor
If you're not on somebody's shit list, you're not doing anything
worthwhile.
Conor
spam...@achapman.freeisp.co.uk says...
> How about saving £80/6 months, plus a couple of hundred quid to get the car
> put right for the MOT, plus a grand's insurance per year?
>
> Is that worth the (minimal) risk?
>
Only if the car isn't in your name.
Conor
> Except that nothing happens. Some yob has an untaxed car which he
> regularly parks in my street. I report it to the DVLA hotline and
> nothing happens.
>
THey thought that on Havenfield (Formerly Gypsey Road) Estate in
Bridlington.
...right until 6 car transporters and several Police vans turned up one
morning a few weeks ago. Police knocked on doors of the owners of said
untaxed vehicles and if people didn't answer, said untaxed car found
the drivers window being put through and it being hauled onto a
transporter. All untaxed cars got lifted whether the owners answered to
the Police or not.
One bloke lost 3 Jags. THe newest car taken was a 2002 Ford Mondeo. THe
estate looks a bit empty now.
Conor
@hotmail.com says...
>
> Just drive without tax, when
> you are stopped the fine is laughable (if they bother to prosecute)
>
They've started lifting cars on the spot now.
DP
DVLC know which cars have a proper tax disc and which don't. If your car
doesn't have a proper one, it will set off alarm bells each time you take it
onto the motorway. You may have seen small black cameras about half the size
of a shoe box hanging from motorway bridges. These read and process number
plates. Whenever the local traffic patrol has nothing better to do, they
hook up to the output from these. As another poster mentions, there are also
handheld versions of this camera now.
Soon (due this autumn, but likely to be delayed) a system will be introduced
that will keep check of who has an MOT as well.
With a bit of luck you can get away without a proper tax disc if you just
travel to and from work using back roads, but not if you park in town
centres or use motorways regularly.
Incidentally, if you paid for anything like this and it didn't work, the law
says you are not entitled to your money back as the whole deal is illegal.
The same goes for any satelite decoding cards and credit cards that you buy
in the pub.
MarkE
"DP" <no@mail> wrote in message news:TImcnWQM0fF...@karoo.co.uk...
> Soon (due this autumn, but likely to be delayed) a system will be
introduced
> that will keep check of who has an MOT as well.
Suggestions I've heard are that the MOT system is well behind that of the
tax and insurance ones of its ilk (although they did admittedly have a
headstart). It'll be 2005 most likely.
Richard Murphy
"obtaining" the tax discs in the first place.
Which I would hope would be recorded at the dvla as "stolen"...
buy one, and you then get a criminal record for receiving - as well as
screwing those who pay for their licenses legitimately.
"Cuzman" <cuzN...@supanet.com> wrote in message
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> "John Smith" <jo...@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:94C338B1...@67.98.68.12...
>
> " I can't see how thois could be so. Presumably the DVLA have the tax
> disc's serial number logged against the car it was issued to. He says his
> dodgy discs can pass through such a check. "
>
>
> The other night there was a programme called *Car Wars* on BBC1. The
police
> were driving along, and their system was automatically checking
> number-plates against the PNC (Police National Computer). The coppers
were
> saying how it checks for wanted, stolen and unlicensed vehicles etc. They
> were also telling one guy that he wasn't insured to drive the vehicle he
was
> in.
>
> When I get my tax from the post office, I see that they always log the
> details on a form along with many others. I'm guessing that these forms
are
> sent to the DVLA for inclusion on their database (linked to the PNC). If
he
> is in cahoots with someone at the post office, then they could log down
the
> vehicles on their form when he sells the disc, but that would probably
cause
> anomolies in the post office accounts.
>
> People are obviously breaking the law by supplying these surplus discs in
> the first place, and if they are managing to register details with the
DVLA
> then they are probably breaking a second law. All counted, there would
> probably be four or five laws broken in the entire process, so the bloke
> down the pub can't expect a light treatment if he's caught. I doubt that
he
> can get these discs properly registered anyway, so he's probably a lying
> git.
>
>
>
>
>
Sales!
<ma...@boroguideDELETEMETOREPLY.co.uk> said:
from a practical point of view, the tax one waits on the MoT one, so this is an
interesting viewpoint.
In terms of realism, insurance is necessary for vehicles driven on the road,
because there is always a danger that you cause damage / injury. Any vehicle
being driven on the road must be covered by insurance - but insurance exists on
vehicles that are insured via "any vehicle" insurance.
So finding a car on the road, does not mean there is an insurance record for
that vehicle - it is linked to driver, not vehicle, although sometimes it is
linked to a driver and a vehicle.
So you can't send out fines by post based on the vehicle being on the road with
no explicit insurance for that vehicle - the cover can be carried by the driver
instead.
Tax is also unclear, a car can be legally driven on the road with no MoT or
Tax, although it must be under the driver's insurance.
The specific link is MoT testing stations. A car that is on the road with no
tax, or with no MoT, and which has not got a test booked via the MoT
computerised system is fair game for a fine by post.
To be realistic, if a vehicle is spotted by cameras then the driver is at risk
of being investigated, but the "fine by post" instant response has to wait on
the MoT system being fully computerised, until then you may be driving the car
on "any vehicle" mechanic's insurance to a pre-arranged MoT test, which
currently you do prior to being able to have an MoT and with that being able
to buy tax.
DP
> introduced
> > that will keep check of who has an MOT as well.
>
>
> Suggestions I've heard are that the MOT system is well behind that of the
> tax and insurance ones of its ilk (although they did admittedly have a
> headstart). It'll be 2005 most likely.
I expect there are several MOT mechanics who know vehicles inside out but
need some persuading to start using computers. It's not easy to force people
to change the way they do something after decades of the current system.
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"DP" <no@mail> wrote in message news:Qf6cnTIzJ5o...@karoo.co.uk...
> It's not easy to force people
> to change the way they do something after decades of the current system.
No, but if carrying out the practice omitting a vital process became illegal
(i.e. you couldn't be a MOT-able garage without database access, and had to
register a vehicle's certificate online) then they'd not have too many legs
to stand on.
If you want a rigid process without loopholes then it has to be rigid from
point of sale.
MarkE
> Any vehicle
> being driven on the road must be covered by insurance - but insurance
exists on
> vehicles that are insured via "any vehicle" insurance.
True, and this is why any policyholder that has a vehicle on cover for >14
days must legally declare it with their insurer, and between them notify it
to a insurance database that PNC accesses.
> So finding a car on the road, does not mean there is an insurance record
for
> that vehicle - it is linked to driver, not vehicle, although sometimes it
is
> linked to a driver and a vehicle.
Of course, there are always some given constraints on any system. However,
the current Govt-instigated review into the overall system may spell changes
for that soon anyway.
Dave Plowman
DP <no@mail> wrote:
> I expect there are several MOT mechanics who know vehicles inside out
> but need some persuading to start using computers. It's not easy to
> force people to change the way they do something after decades of the
> current system.
They already use a computer for emissions testing, and the print out I got
suggests they enter at least some of the vehicle details.
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dojj
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"Silk" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Matt B wrote:
>
> > I wonder what proportion of privately owned vehicles are never used on
> > public roads.
>
> Probably not many, but I can think of a few examples: Lots of farm
> vehicles; parks and estates - I know that Center Parcs, for example,
> operate a fleet of vehicles that never go on a public road.
>
> Although that's not really the point. You suggested it's a tax on
> ownership. That is obviously not the case.
you don't need to tax them then :)
I used to work for a company at the airport and their vehicles never left
the perimeter road, so they never had any tax on them :)
of course, if they DID then you were fucked but because they were buses and
went from the car park to the terminals they had no reason to, and that
saved them a good few grand every year
they needed an operators license though
what I find truly draconian is the fact that the "25 year old vehicle" that
was supposed to become tax exempt was then turned into the "vehicle that was
on the road before 1973"
what part of 25 years old makes them equal 1973?
that makes them 31 years old!!!!
shit!!!!!!
that's me!!!!!!!
I don't have to pay tax!!!!!!!!!!
yay!!!!!!!!
dojj
in 10 cars that the computer came up with, but if they started to stop
everyone they wouldn't have enough officers or hours in the day to get
everything done
so they didn't
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"MrCheerful" <nbk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John Smith" <jo...@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:94C338B1...@67.98.68.12...
> > I was in my pub tonight and someone there was talking about how he
> > supplies non-legit tax discs for cars.
> >
> > It seems that what happens is this. A tax disc is dated for
> > approx 12 months after the date it is issued. When the present
> > date moves into the next month the stock of tax discs which are
> > valid for 11 months become invalid.
> >
> > It seems that matey gets these through some back door.
> >
> > The strangest thing is that he was strenuously maintaining that
> > even if a policeman wanted to give a car with such a tax disc a
> > thorough check then the tax disc would stand up to any such
> > checking.
> >
> > I can't see how thois could be so. Presumably the DVLA have the
> > tax disc's serial number logged against the car it was issued to.
> > He says his dodgy discs can pass through such a check.
> >
> > Seems odd to me. Even odder is that such surplus tax discs are,
> > allegedly, simply not accounted for by some internal checks.
> >
> > Surely this man is wrong. Any views?
>
> The tv program on number plate recognition cars said that the police
usually
> didn't get more than a quarter of a mile without the ANPR system detecting
> something worthy of a stop ! How could these hooky discs possibly be
> computer linked to your vehicle registration? Just drive without tax,
when
> you are stopped the fine is laughable (if they bother to prosecute)
>
> mrcheerful
>
>
Depresion
" dojj" <do...@fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> what I find truly draconian is the fact that the "25 year old vehicle" that
> was supposed to become tax exempt was then turned into the "vehicle that was
> on the road before 1973"
> what part of 25 years old makes them equal 1973?
> that makes them 31 years old!!!!
I know it would be nice if they reintroduced the rolling age even at 30 years
old. Classic car clubs have been campaigning for the last 5 years to get it re
introduced. (Doesn't bother me with 2 '72s and 2 '69s as it helps keep there
value higher) Though we do have a '74 in the family purchased just before the 25
year rule was changed.
Guy King
from " dojj" <do...@fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
> I used to work for a company at the airport and their vehicles never left
> the perimeter road, so they never had any tax on them :)
And fill up with red diesel, too.
We hired a bus for a week to BAA once and often wondered what would have
happened if Customs and Excise had stopped it a week after we got it
back and found traces of red diesel in the tank.
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"Guy King" <guy....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The message <c5b8q9$luv$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>
> from " dojj" <do...@fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>
> > I used to work for a company at the airport and their vehicles never
left
> > the perimeter road, so they never had any tax on them :)
>
> And fill up with red diesel, too.
>
> We hired a bus for a week to BAA once and often wondered what would have
> happened if Customs and Excise had stopped it a week after we got it
> back and found traces of red diesel in the tank.
>
but you have the proof that it was leant to baa don't you
whereas when we used to drive the trucks about, it was very tempting to put
the red diesel in them as it was cheaper, but we could only use it for the
tractor, so we only bought small quantities of it
if the government stoped jacking the prices up by so much we wouldn't HAVE
to think of small fiddles to make ends meet would we
when i started driving pertol used to cost as little as 36p a litre
for four star
it's more than doubled in the last 14 years so why the sudden increase just
as i have got to enjoy driving?
it's a consiracy i tell you!!!!
Clive George
> I expect there are several MOT mechanics who know vehicles inside out but
> need some persuading to start using computers. It's not easy to force
people
> to change the way they do something after decades of the current system.
I thought that so asked my MOT man. He said he was looking forward to having
the computer system as he didn't like writing in the certificates.
cheers,
clive