glorified interconnects & mains cable -Rip off ?
kailblue
the TNT site , basically armoured flex as used for electrical leads in
industrial sites , never heard a bit of difference but at least it never
cost me anything apart from my own time .
As for interconnects i again made my own from " Shark " cable & gold plated
phono plugs from Maplin , ( £7.00 per 1m length ) ,couldn't hear any
difference at all from a mates' Van de Hull ( £265/m ) ,Nordost ( £380/m ) &
Ixos 1004 (£20 per pair ).
Mains cables , save your money !! . interconnects buy the Ixos / Qed range
for £20-£30 only for build quality .
All IMHO only of course.
Paul
Nick
all my mates are too shit scared to do a blind test of £20 interconects and
£1.50 meter speaker cable
cos if they couldnt identify the "pro" gear then they would look rather
silly
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Griffin
unterminated wire for £20 a metre and solder plugs on yourself you save £20+
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size, the greater the reduction of the problem. Quoted from
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Jim Lesurf
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> As for interconnects i again made my own from " Shark " cable & gold
> plated phono plugs from Maplin , ( £7.00 per 1m length ) ,couldn't hear
> any difference at all from a mates' Van de Hull ( £265/m ) ,Nordost (
> £380/m ) & Ixos 1004 (£20 per pair ).
FWIW I tend to use the 'low loss UHF, TV or Satellite' types of 75 Ohm coax
as interconnects. Typically less than 1 UKP/metre. I also use the
gold-plated Maplin phonos as they seem quite decent, and only a few quid
each. Been using these items for years and they seem fine to me. In the
past I did try comparing them with some more expensive leads, but didn't
hear anything that made me feel it was worth spending any more.
My own view is that people should at least consider starting out with
cables like the above. The are cheap enough that even if you don't like
them for some reason, you haven't wasted much money. They also give the
satisfaction of building your own, made to the right lengths.
Slainte,
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kailblue
for sale & is going to try at get some money back & then use the " shark "
cables & phono plugs from Maplin.
The gold plated phono plugs from Maplin cost £1.99 & the "Shark " cable is
£3.49/m & the beauty is you can make them as long as you want without being
ripped off by the cable manufacturers / dealers ,
my own opinion ofcourse.
Paul
Griffin
the insulation teflon? probably not.
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is teflon insulation worth the extra 30-40 quid ? probably not
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> the insulation teflon? probably not.
>
>
Gold plating has to be 24ct if you think about it!
>
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rack-mounted TV transmission system, I spent quite a while searching
out metal finishes that would be durable, fairly cheap, conductive and
easy to apply.
Guess what was the best and cheapest? Gold, by a large margin. Don't
be too overawed by gold, it is used in all sorts of places for good
reasons. The one thing it is not good for is a soldered connection;
there tends to be leaching that can lead ultimately to the joint
letting go.
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evans
have found that in the expensive mains cables there is a rectification
effect at low audio levels. To the ear this gives the effect of a doubling
of frequency which many people percieve as more detail in the music. Of
course it is merely second harmonic distortion. In fact, if you use an old
cotton covered electric iron flex with two knots tied in opposition, any
rectification effects will be too low for accurate measurements and there
will be a vast improvement in the transparency of the music.
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Nick Hadlow
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>
>Gold plating has to be 24ct if you think about it!
>
I've thought about it - but I'm not sure if you mean:
1) Anything less than 24ct is not pure gold and therefore would result
in gold *alloy* plating
or
2) There is some reason that lower-purity gold (alloy) isn't used for
plating purposes.
Just curious.
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Jim Lesurf
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> Using a low distortion sine wave generator and a storage oscilloscope, I
> have found that in the expensive mains cables there is a rectification
> effect at low audio levels.
I would be interested to hear more details. What model of signal generator
and scope did you use? How was the distortion measured, and what level did
it reach? What were the details of the signal and load, and the measurement
setup? Can you also explain how your test conditions compare with those
that apply when the cable is used for its normal purpose?
I have never encountered a mains *cable* producing measureable distortion.
I have encountered imperfect joints that do. However even there, in
practical situations I have not encountered any significant effects.
You say "the expensive mains cables". Are you referring to specific brands
or makes and indicating that these have a distortion problem which standard
mains leads do not? If so, and your measurements are correct, then perhaps
you should publish all the details for others to judge.
> To the ear this gives the effect of a doubling of frequency which many
> people percieve as more detail in the music.
Are you saying this occurs as a result of mains harmonic creation? If so, I
have not experienced this. Can you say what amplifiers, etc, you used to
perceive this? (Or is your comment a generalised opinion?) In my experience
the PSU of most well-built amplifiers, etc, will essentially prevent the
normal levels of mains 'distortions' from reaching the actual amplifier
output. More details of your measurements, please, as I am interested.
> Of course it is merely second harmonic distortion. In fact, if you use
> an old cotton covered electric iron flex with two knots tied in
> opposition, any rectification effects will be too low for accurate
> measurements and there will be a vast improvement in the transparency of
> the music.
Again, I would be interested to learn the details of your measurements that
support what you say. Why do you mention 'knots' here? Are you assuming
they play a role? If so, what?
Dave Plowman
Jim Lesurf <jc...@st-and.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > Using a low distortion sine wave generator and a storage oscilloscope,
> > I have found that in the expensive mains cables there is a
> > rectification effect at low audio levels.
> I would be interested to hear more details.
Wooooooooooooooosh?
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Ashley Booth
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Gold plating is an electro-chemical process and the plating has to be
pure gold. Look up the theory.
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MicS
>
> Gold plating is an electro-chemical process and the plating has to be
> pure gold. Look up the theory.
>
>
> --
> Ashley Booth
good point but how thick is the gold plating? if it's very thin it's
pointless.
John Fryatt
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Why is that? I thought the point of gold plating was to prevent
oxodation spoiling the contact.
Unless, of course, the gold was so thin it wore off!
John
Welly
How many of "the expensive cables" did you test?
What price do you consider expensive?
Quote from your post "In fact, if you use an old cotton covered electric
iron flex with two knots tied in opposition, any rectification effects will
be too low for accurate measurements and there will be a vast improvement in
transparency of the music using a sig gen and scope? I ask this because you
say "WILL be too low for accurate measurements" and "there WILL be a vast
improvement in the transparency of the music" this infers, to me at least,
that you did not listen, you merely measured. Once again how do you measure
increased transparency with a sig gen and scope?
regards
Welly
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