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emm...@emmaco.com
Nov 4, 2011, 1:52:51 PM11/4/11
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Another cool website dedicated to Ira Gale and his products-
speakers, that futuristic turntable, even his recordings are available
at this site:
http://www.galeaudio.com
speakers, that futuristic turntable, even his recordings are available
at this site:
http://www.galeaudio.com
sinner
Nov 4, 2011, 4:35:18 PM11/4/11
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
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Eiron
Nov 6, 2011, 3:58:03 AM11/6/11
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Phil Allison
Nov 6, 2011, 4:45:28 AM11/6/11
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Arny Krueger
Nov 6, 2011, 7:42:39 AM11/6/11
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"Eiron" <Evelyn....@live.com> wrote in message
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Phil Allison
Nov 6, 2011, 8:05:23 AM11/6/11
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"Arny Krueger"
>
>>> http://www.galeaudio.com
>>
>> Where does the toast come out?
>
> Funny on at least 2 levels. Well done!
** OK - the thing looks something like a toaster, albeit with chrome and
>>> http://www.galeaudio.com
>>
>> Where does the toast come out?
>
> Funny on at least 2 levels. Well done!
black parts reversed.
What's the other joke ?
... Phil
Eiron
Nov 6, 2011, 8:37:17 AM11/6/11
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Are there many jokes about loudspeakers?
Didn't Jute claim to have bought a pair of ESLs for a couple of quid
as the shopkeeper thought they were broken room heaters?
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Eiron.
sinner
Nov 6, 2011, 9:48:17 AM11/6/11
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On 06/11/2011 13:05, Phil Allison wrote:
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Brian Gaff
Nov 6, 2011, 6:26:15 PM11/6/11
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I nearly bought some of these. Very nice I just did not want chrome bits in
my house. I bought Tannoys instead.
Still have them.
Brian
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my house. I bought Tannoys instead.
Still have them.
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emm...@emmaco.com
Nov 8, 2011, 12:06:13 PM11/8/11
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For the uninformed, Gale GS401A's were one of the finest speakers made
in the UK during the 1970's and were only sold in premier stores.
Designed around a Peerless midrange driver, their performace is
similar to a Quad ELS but with more bass and the ability to play
considerably louder.
Gale speakers and their accompanying turntable GT2101 were owned by
Freddie Mercury, Elton John, J. Paul Getty (3 sets), Ann Margret,
Elvis Presley (and his song writers), and Frank Sinatra. Not bad
considering they only made 60 turntables total- they were expensive.
As a point of reference, a pair of Linn Klimax speaker stands goes for
730 pounds (not including shipping).
Gale even sold a walnut version (GS401C) for those that don't like
toasters.
in the UK during the 1970's and were only sold in premier stores.
Designed around a Peerless midrange driver, their performace is
similar to a Quad ELS but with more bass and the ability to play
considerably louder.
Gale speakers and their accompanying turntable GT2101 were owned by
Freddie Mercury, Elton John, J. Paul Getty (3 sets), Ann Margret,
Elvis Presley (and his song writers), and Frank Sinatra. Not bad
considering they only made 60 turntables total- they were expensive.
As a point of reference, a pair of Linn Klimax speaker stands goes for
730 pounds (not including shipping).
Gale even sold a walnut version (GS401C) for those that don't like
toasters.
Eiron
Nov 10, 2011, 9:40:55 AM11/10/11
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On 08/11/2011 17:06, emm...@emmaco.com wrote:
> For the uninformed, Gale GS401A's were one of the finest speakers made
> in the UK during the 1970's and were only sold in premier stores.
>
> Designed around a Peerless midrange driver, their performace is
> similar to a Quad ELS but with more bass and the ability to play
> considerably louder.
The graphs on the web page you posted earlier don't suggest that Gales
> For the uninformed, Gale GS401A's were one of the finest speakers made
> in the UK during the 1970's and were only sold in premier stores.
>
> Designed around a Peerless midrange driver, their performace is
> similar to a Quad ELS but with more bass and the ability to play
> considerably louder.
have much bass.
2 woofers in a 40l enclosure have a similar bass response to 1 in 20l,
i.e not much at all.
And I doubt that a paper midrange driver sounds like an ESL.
I'm glad I just used KEFs in the seventies....
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David B
Nov 10, 2011, 11:29:09 AM11/10/11
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"Eiron" wrote in message news:9i263n...@mid.individual.net...
I know nothing about speaker design, so are you saying that 4 x 6" woofers
in an 80 litre enclosure will have the same response as a 1 x 6" woofer in a
20 litre enclosure?
I've always assumed that 4 x 6" woofers were equivalent to 1 x 12" woofer as
they have the same area. Therefore a single 12" woofer in a 80 litre
enclosure has the same response as a 6" woofer in a 20 litre enclosure? I
must have misunderstood totally what you are saying as that sounds like a
load of the proverbial dog's.
D
> 2 woofers in a 40l enclosure have a similar bass response to 1 in 20l,
> i.e not much at all.
I don't understand?
> i.e not much at all.
I know nothing about speaker design, so are you saying that 4 x 6" woofers
in an 80 litre enclosure will have the same response as a 1 x 6" woofer in a
20 litre enclosure?
I've always assumed that 4 x 6" woofers were equivalent to 1 x 12" woofer as
they have the same area. Therefore a single 12" woofer in a 80 litre
enclosure has the same response as a 6" woofer in a 20 litre enclosure? I
must have misunderstood totally what you are saying as that sounds like a
load of the proverbial dog's.
D
Dave Plowman (News)
Nov 10, 2011, 11:38:28 AM11/10/11
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In article
<57da0994-47be-451c...@u37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
close to being 'similar' to the ELS.
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<57da0994-47be-451c...@u37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
emm...@emmaco.com <emm...@emmaco.com> wrote:
> For the uninformed, Gale GS401A's were one of the finest speakers made
> in the UK during the 1970's and were only sold in premier stores.
> Designed around a Peerless midrange driver, their performace is
> similar to a Quad ELS but with more bass and the ability to play
> considerably louder.
You've been believing advertising again. No moving coil speaker comes
> For the uninformed, Gale GS401A's were one of the finest speakers made
> in the UK during the 1970's and were only sold in premier stores.
> Designed around a Peerless midrange driver, their performace is
> similar to a Quad ELS but with more bass and the ability to play
> considerably louder.
close to being 'similar' to the ELS.
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Eiron
Nov 10, 2011, 12:50:26 PM11/10/11
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box sizes and number of drivers. Then you might understand....
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Arny Krueger
Nov 10, 2011, 2:06:38 PM11/10/11
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"Eiron" <Evelyn....@live.com> wrote in message
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> On 08/11/2011 17:06, emm...@emmaco.com wrote:
>> For the uninformed, Gale GS401A's were one of the finest speakers made
>> in the UK during the 1970's and were only sold in premier stores.
>> Designed around a Peerless midrange driver, their performace is
>> similar to a Quad ELS but with more bass and the ability to play
>> considerably louder.
Sounds like a sales pitch. ;-)
>> For the uninformed, Gale GS401A's were one of the finest speakers made
>> in the UK during the 1970's and were only sold in premier stores.
>> Designed around a Peerless midrange driver, their performace is
>> similar to a Quad ELS but with more bass and the ability to play
>> considerably louder.
> The graphs on the web page you posted earlier don't suggest that Gales
> have much bass.
> 2 woofers in a 40l enclosure have a similar bass response to 1 in 20l,
> i.e not much at all.
> And I doubt that a paper midrange driver sounds like an ESL.
> I'm glad I just used KEFs in the seventies...
Phil Allison
Nov 10, 2011, 5:26:44 PM11/10/11
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"Dave Plowman (Nutcase )"
>
><<emm...@emmaco.com>
>
>> For the uninformed, Gale GS401A's were one of the finest speakers made
>> in the UK during the 1970's and were only sold in premier stores.
>
>> Designed around a Peerless midrange driver, their performace is
>> similar to a Quad ELS but with more bass and the ability to play
>> considerably louder.
>
>
> You've been believing advertising again. No moving coil speaker comes
> close to being 'similar' to the ELS.
** Not true at all.
>> For the uninformed, Gale GS401A's were one of the finest speakers made
>> in the UK during the 1970's and were only sold in premier stores.
>
>> Designed around a Peerless midrange driver, their performace is
>> similar to a Quad ELS but with more bass and the ability to play
>> considerably louder.
>
>
> You've been believing advertising again. No moving coil speaker comes
> close to being 'similar' to the ELS.
There is ( or was) one famous 3 way speaker that can sound uncannily like an
ESL57.
That speaker is the Yamaha NS1000 - employing beryllium domes for mid and
tops.
I have heard a careful, side by side, AB comparison done in an large well
damped room with a whole variety of material.
When listening *on-axis* at normal levels it was very hard to pick a
difference.
Off axis, it was easy of course.
A recording of solo harpsichord was the only one that sounded different (
brighter) on the ESLs.
Surprisingly, when the level was raised to just below clipping on a 80 wpc
amp, the NS1000s began to sound muddy, while the ESL57s did not.
A pair of AR11s were also briefly set up in place of the NS1000s, but were
judged not in the game at all.
... Phil
Dave Plowman (News)
Nov 10, 2011, 6:36:53 PM11/10/11
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In article <9i31df...@mid.individual.net>,
the upper bass frequencies to be very different. I was quite familiar with
the Yamahas - an excellent speaker.
I never understood why so many liked the AR11s. ;-) Supposedly an average
quality monitor?
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Phil Allison <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> > You've been believing advertising again. No moving coil speaker comes
> > close to being 'similar' to the ELS.
> ** Not true at all.
> There is ( or was) one famous 3 way speaker that can sound uncannily
> like an ESL57.
> That speaker is the Yamaha NS1000 - employing beryllium domes for mid
> and tops.
> I have heard a careful, side by side, AB comparison done in an large
> well damped room with a whole variety of material.
> When listening *on-axis* at normal levels it was very hard to pick a
> difference.
Did you try it on well recorded male speech? I suggest not. That showed
> > You've been believing advertising again. No moving coil speaker comes
> > close to being 'similar' to the ELS.
> ** Not true at all.
> There is ( or was) one famous 3 way speaker that can sound uncannily
> like an ESL57.
> That speaker is the Yamaha NS1000 - employing beryllium domes for mid
> and tops.
> I have heard a careful, side by side, AB comparison done in an large
> well damped room with a whole variety of material.
> When listening *on-axis* at normal levels it was very hard to pick a
> difference.
the upper bass frequencies to be very different. I was quite familiar with
the Yamahas - an excellent speaker.
I never understood why so many liked the AR11s. ;-) Supposedly an average
quality monitor?
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Phil Allison
Nov 10, 2011, 8:31:30 PM11/10/11
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"Dave Plowman (Nutcase)"
** Piss off - fuckhead
Dave Plowman (News)
Nov 11, 2011, 5:05:31 AM11/11/11
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In article <9i3c7k...@mid.individual.net>,
Ah. Back to normal.
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Ah. Back to normal.
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Phil Allison
Nov 11, 2011, 7:09:17 AM11/11/11
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emm...@emmaco.com
Nov 12, 2011, 12:22:43 PM11/12/11
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Dave- For the record...
I have owned the latest Quad electrostatic speakers continuously since
1974. Currently we have one "all Quad" 988 based system (I prefer it
to the 2905) set in the house, along with a pair of Hill Plasmatronics
1A's, and two sets of Gale GS401's right now- one chrome, one walnut
finished. I have visited the Quad factory three times and was once
offered a job by Peter Walker. Also a member of a number of
professional audio groups, and personally taught TEF operation by Dick
Heyser. Dick hated Quads by the way- once destroyed his favorite
amplifier. Suffice to say I do appreciate Quad even if Dick did not.
I have also owned a set of Yamaha NS1000's. Not a superb speaker, but
an excellent speaker. Nice resale value as I recall. Most of the
mastering engineers in Hollywood dangled a tissue over the tweeters as
I recall back in their heyday.
Getting past the "toaster" comments, the reason the Gales have an
excellent midrange is the Peerless driver they used is optimized in
the crossover- there's some serious audio engineering that transpired
in the design. The crossover points are outside the vocal
bandwidth. The list of speakers that don't crossover between 400 and
4 kHz is a very short one indeed.
I've never actually read where Quad specified their crossover point
between the bass and treble panels- likely because it was within the
vocal range and would damper the "perfect midrange" commentary.
Difficult to measure the high voltage bias. I'll sweep them and
measure it acoustically one of these days.
P.S. The Gales use twin EIGHT inch drivers are run in parallel and
perform nicely at the low end.
I have owned the latest Quad electrostatic speakers continuously since
1974. Currently we have one "all Quad" 988 based system (I prefer it
to the 2905) set in the house, along with a pair of Hill Plasmatronics
1A's, and two sets of Gale GS401's right now- one chrome, one walnut
finished. I have visited the Quad factory three times and was once
offered a job by Peter Walker. Also a member of a number of
professional audio groups, and personally taught TEF operation by Dick
Heyser. Dick hated Quads by the way- once destroyed his favorite
amplifier. Suffice to say I do appreciate Quad even if Dick did not.
I have also owned a set of Yamaha NS1000's. Not a superb speaker, but
an excellent speaker. Nice resale value as I recall. Most of the
mastering engineers in Hollywood dangled a tissue over the tweeters as
I recall back in their heyday.
Getting past the "toaster" comments, the reason the Gales have an
excellent midrange is the Peerless driver they used is optimized in
the crossover- there's some serious audio engineering that transpired
in the design. The crossover points are outside the vocal
bandwidth. The list of speakers that don't crossover between 400 and
4 kHz is a very short one indeed.
I've never actually read where Quad specified their crossover point
between the bass and treble panels- likely because it was within the
vocal range and would damper the "perfect midrange" commentary.
Difficult to measure the high voltage bias. I'll sweep them and
measure it acoustically one of these days.
P.S. The Gales use twin EIGHT inch drivers are run in parallel and
perform nicely at the low end.
Eiron
Nov 12, 2011, 3:00:10 PM11/12/11
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Eiron.
Phil Allison
Nov 12, 2011, 6:21:20 PM11/12/11
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<emm...@emmaco.com>
( Heavy weight name dropping deleted, to protect those underneath ... )
> I have also owned a set of Yamaha NS1000's. Not a superb speaker, but
> an excellent speaker.
> Getting past the "toaster" comments, the reason the Gales have an
> excellent midrange is the Peerless driver they used is optimized in
> the crossover- there's some serious audio engineering that transpired
> in the design. The crossover points are outside the vocal
> bandwidth.
The spectrum of human voices, speaking or singing, ranges all the way from
70Hz up to 20kHz.
If you disconnect the woofer and tweeter from any good 3 way system, what is
left sounds like a telephone.
> I've never actually read where Quad specified their crossover point
> between the bass and treble panels- likely because it was within the
> vocal range and would damper the "perfect midrange" commentary.
crossover points - the six concentric drive rings are fed with full
bandwidth. The upper and lower 'bass" units are filtered -6dB oct at a few
hundred Hz.
In the ESL57, the responses of the panels roll off at only 6 db per octave
and overlap in the crossover regions resulting in an audibly seamless
result. Transient response test signals ( ie 4 cycle tone bursts ) are
reproduced perfectly at *any frequency* in the range from 65Hz to 18kHz. I
have done such testing myself.
... Phil
Jim Lesurf
Nov 13, 2011, 5:05:20 AM11/13/11
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In article <9i8dbl...@mid.individual.net>, Phil Allison
combined with the power drawn by the inner elements mean that the HF level
presented to the outer elements is reduced.
Slainte,
Jim
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<phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> ** The ESL57 was 3 way, while the ESL63 and later designs have no actual
> crossover points - the six concentric drive rings are fed with full
> bandwidth.
The shorted turns included in the inductors of the transmission lines,
> ** The ESL57 was 3 way, while the ESL63 and later designs have no actual
> crossover points - the six concentric drive rings are fed with full
> bandwidth.
combined with the power drawn by the inner elements mean that the HF level
presented to the outer elements is reduced.
Slainte,
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Dave Plowman (News)
Nov 13, 2011, 9:17:29 AM11/13/11
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In article
<db48649f-7fbb-4ac8...@i4g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
part of the speech band for intelligibility, but it's nothing like the
whole 'vocal bandwidth'.
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<db48649f-7fbb-4ac8...@i4g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
emm...@emmaco.com <emm...@emmaco.com> wrote:
> Getting past the "toaster" comments, the reason the Gales have an
> excellent midrange is the Peerless driver they used is optimized in
> the crossover- there's some serious audio engineering that transpired
> in the design. The crossover points are outside the vocal
> bandwidth. The list of speakers that don't crossover between 400 and
> 4 kHz is a very short one indeed.
400hz to 4 Khz is approx telephone quality. It may be the most important
> Getting past the "toaster" comments, the reason the Gales have an
> excellent midrange is the Peerless driver they used is optimized in
> the crossover- there's some serious audio engineering that transpired
> in the design. The crossover points are outside the vocal
> bandwidth. The list of speakers that don't crossover between 400 and
> 4 kHz is a very short one indeed.
part of the speech band for intelligibility, but it's nothing like the
whole 'vocal bandwidth'.
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Godfrey Wilkes
Nov 22, 2011, 7:11:22 AM11/22/11
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nice they were too!
emm...@emmaco.com
Nov 23, 2011, 4:38:19 PM11/23/11
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Plowman- whip out a spectrum analyzer and check your statement.
I think you'll find at least 95% of the energy is within that
bandwidth.
I think you'll find at least 95% of the energy is within that
bandwidth.
Don Pearce
Nov 23, 2011, 4:42:34 PM11/23/11
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20kHz.Where 95% of the energy lies is another question entirely.
d
Dave Plowman (News)
Nov 23, 2011, 5:34:42 PM11/23/11
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In article
<c9163fd3-39b7-4885...@f29g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> I think you'll find at least 95% of the energy is within that
> bandwidth.
Don't give a stuff where the energy is. 400 to 4k is approx telephone
bandwidth. If you think that produces lifelike speech quality you need new
ears.
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<c9163fd3-39b7-4885...@f29g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
emm...@emmaco.com <emm...@emmaco.com> wrote:
> Plowman- whip out a spectrum analyzer and check your statement.
I prefer my ears.
> Plowman- whip out a spectrum analyzer and check your statement.
> I think you'll find at least 95% of the energy is within that
> bandwidth.
bandwidth. If you think that produces lifelike speech quality you need new
ears.
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Eiron
Nov 24, 2011, 2:04:06 AM11/24/11
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On 23/11/2011 22:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article
> <c9163fd3-39b7-4885...@f29g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> emm...@emmaco.com<emm...@emmaco.com> wrote:
>> Plowman- whip out a spectrum analyzer and check your statement.
>
> I prefer my ears.
>
>> I think you'll find at least 95% of the energy is within that
>> bandwidth.
>
> Don't give a stuff where the energy is. 400 to 4k is approx telephone
> bandwidth. If you think that produces lifelike speech quality you need new
> ears.
Those Gales have tweeters as well. :-)
> In article
> <c9163fd3-39b7-4885...@f29g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> emm...@emmaco.com<emm...@emmaco.com> wrote:
>> Plowman- whip out a spectrum analyzer and check your statement.
>
> I prefer my ears.
>
>> I think you'll find at least 95% of the energy is within that
>> bandwidth.
>
> Don't give a stuff where the energy is. 400 to 4k is approx telephone
> bandwidth. If you think that produces lifelike speech quality you need new
> ears.
I think the point was that the crossover frequency was a bit higher than
other speakers.
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Phil Allison
Nov 24, 2011, 4:16:50 AM11/24/11
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<emm...@emmaco.com>
> Plowman- whip out a spectrum analyzer and check your statement.
>
You over snipping idiot.
> I think you'll find at least 95% of the energy is within that
> bandwidth.
... Phil
sender
Nov 24, 2011, 4:40:02 AM11/24/11
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On 24/11/2011 09:16, Phil Allison wrote:
> <emm...@emmaco.com>
>
>> Plowman- whip out a spectrum analyzer and check your statement.
>>
>
> ** Where is it ??
>
> You over snipping idiot.
>
Non-hyphenating imbecile.
> <emm...@emmaco.com>
>
>> Plowman- whip out a spectrum analyzer and check your statement.
>>
>
> ** Where is it ??
>
> You over snipping idiot.
>
>> I think you'll find at least 95% of the energy is within that
>> bandwidth.
>
>
> ** Bollocks.
>
>
> ... Phil
>
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Phil Allison
Nov 24, 2011, 5:02:26 AM11/24/11
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"sender"
** Fuck off.
Dave Plowman (News)
Nov 24, 2011, 5:33:29 AM11/24/11
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In article <9j68j7...@mid.individual.net>,
> I think the point was that the crossover frequency was a bit higher than
> other speakers.
Which makes them somehow perfect? It's a choice made by the designer
taking all sorts of other things into account. Not just the crossover
frequencies.
There was one BBC design - built pretty well regardless of cost - which
crossed over at approx 1kHz.
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Eiron <Evelyn....@live.com> wrote:
> > Don't give a stuff where the energy is. 400 to 4k is approx telephone
> > bandwidth. If you think that produces lifelike speech quality you need
> > new ears.
> Those Gales have tweeters as well. :-)
Different argument.
> > Don't give a stuff where the energy is. 400 to 4k is approx telephone
> > bandwidth. If you think that produces lifelike speech quality you need
> > new ears.
> Those Gales have tweeters as well. :-)
> I think the point was that the crossover frequency was a bit higher than
> other speakers.
taking all sorts of other things into account. Not just the crossover
frequencies.
There was one BBC design - built pretty well regardless of cost - which
crossed over at approx 1kHz.
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