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Adrian C

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Dec 11, 2009, 9:32:08 AM12/11/09

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It's Denon's famous RJ45 ethernet link cable.

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM

What kind of PR is this for an otherwise reputable brand?

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David Looser

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Dec 11, 2009, 11:09:59 AM12/11/09

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Anybody who spends $500 on an Ethernet cable has to be round the bend, and
those comments prove my point!

David.

Brian Gaff

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Dec 11, 2009, 1:18:29 PM12/11/09

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Not seen it but a very well known designer turned a job down to design
something for Sony when it transpired they believed in all this cables sound
different stuff some years ago, I seem to recall.
Brian

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Serge Auckland

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Dec 11, 2009, 2:21:18 PM12/11/09

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I loved the "What do customers ultimately buy after viewing this item"...30%
buy the same thing, but at $3.14..... Also, you can buy one used at 5 times
the price,.....must be the premium for burning it in.....or one
"refurbished" at twice the price..

I think taking the piss on stuff like this is healthy, and shows that not
everybody is taken in by the hype, especially on a site like Amazon, which
is inhabited by civilians rather than just audio casualties. I agree
though, that for an otherwise reputable brand like Denon, it does their
reputation no good.

S.

Adrian C

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Dec 11, 2009, 3:09:09 PM12/11/09

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/20/denon_cable/

However, this is an old story that goes back a few years at least and
Denon have been hauled up before by the provebials by the press for
essentially dressing up and flogging a gardern quality RJ45 lead with
hyperbole.

The 'Denon Link' connections look to be made perfectly with a standard
straight Cat5e patch lead, the LVDS pairs are carried on the right
100-ohm impedence paired conductors used in T568A (and T568B) cabling
standards. I'd understand if they chose their own proprietary
conventions on that - but seems they didn't.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/denon-owners-forum/493143-denon-link-cable.html
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-line-level/126573-denon-link-pinout.html

Most of the cracks on Amazon are the same ones that eventually end tied
up with a discussion on golden ears and speaker cables, but this one is
different - it's marketing at it's worst. Even Belkin don't go this far.

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp

If I were Denon, I'd withdraw the product and maybe talk about offering
some of its customers some compensation. People aren't idiots.

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Brian Gaff

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Dec 13, 2009, 3:02:47 AM12/13/09

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Its the pseudo science that annoys me. Also when actually listening to
anything all too many people forget there are other variables in connecting
leads not just the wire. If a digital signal is the same at both ends of a
wire the circuitry will not detect a difference either.

Brian

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