Winston Churchill's writings on Islam, prophetic, perhaps?
G.A.Evans G4SDW
on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which
is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog,
there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects
are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits,
slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of
commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever
the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded
sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement;
the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in
Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his
absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine,
must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith
of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the
influence of the religion paralyses the social development
of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists
in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a
militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread
throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at
every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered
in the strong arms of science, the science against which it
had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might
fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
Quoted from "The River War", volume II pp. 248-50 (1899)
FriarTuck
We are all subject to propaganda, Churchill was no saint....
And Islamic countries were foremost amongst scientists at their peak as
Terry Gilliams Zero program showed (though it was an Indian who gave the
idea of zero to an Islamic ruler, he knew it would be appreciated by such
a one)
FriarTuck
I mean Terry Jones of course, that other great Python!
Mike G4KFK
> "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays
> on its votaries!
It's the fundamentalist radiohammedanism as preached by the Grand
Ayatollah Beanie-al-Hajj that scares me shitless!
Periander
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>
> And Islamic countries were foremost amongst scientists at their peak
Certainly were, that is until they (a) had rediscovered everyhting the
Greeks had discovered a 1,000 years earlier and/or (b) they discovered
something that went against the faith ... in either case scientific
discoverey stopped.
> as
> Terry Gilliams Zero program showed (though it was an Indian who gave the
> idea of zero to an Islamic ruler, he knew it would be appreciated by such
> a one)
Well if it was on television it must be true.
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>> fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
>>
>> Quoted from "The River War", volume II pp. 248-50 (1899)
>>
>>
>
>
> It does help to have a sense of humour, a final chuckle as one lights up
> that last cigarette on the bridge of the sinking ship...
>
ever tried a killfile??
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FriarTuck
> FriarTuck <a...@spammerstheygothehouse.con> wrote in
> news:pan.2007.06.08...@spammerstheygothehouse.con:
>
> ...
>>
>> And Islamic countries were foremost amongst scientists at their peak
>
> Certainly were, that is until they (a) had rediscovered everyhting the
> Greeks had discovered a 1,000 years earlier and/or (b) they discovered
> something that went against the faith ... in either case scientific
> discoverey stopped.
>
did the Greeks invent gunpowder? I thought that was the Chinese?
What proof have you that Islamic society was restricted to only
reinventing what the greeks knew?
>> as
>> Terry Gilliams Zero program showed (though it was an Indian who gave the
>> idea of zero to an Islamic ruler, he knew it would be appreciated by such
>> a one)
>
> Well if it was on television it must be true.
So you think it was not true or what?
Or is the limit of your discussion making obviously false statements?
True Blue
"G.A.Evans G4SDW" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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How prophetic. What a clear-thinking man WSC was.
Dave
Total bollocks snipped.
Not a bad posting from beeny :-)
I wish I could do the bollox snipping though :-)))))
(just where is that rusty pair of knackered scissors? Well, if I can't
find them, I'll have to use this blunt hook knife.)
Dave
Dave
Me too.
Dave
Curtis E. Carr
He must be going for the fatwah. The hoards of Mongolian
CBers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Iranian Suicide Bombers must be setting their Tom Toms
for SN15 3AA and racing down the M4 towards junction 17 right now.
I hope Missus Evans has him well insured.
"Dave" <dave...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> Not a bad posting from beeny :-)
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> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:03:59 +0100, "True Blue" <wh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> How prophetic. What a clear-thinking man WSC was.
>
>
> 73 de Wlat
>
Careful Walt, you can't go thinking that sort of thing without risking a
visit from Tony's Thought Plods!
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73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
http://turner-smith.co.uk
Nick
How is this related to amateur radio?
jonz
<luc...@eternal-flames.gov> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:03:53 +0100, Walt Davidson
> <g3...@despammed.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:03:59 +0100, "True Blue" <wh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>73 de Wlat
>
> politicians to be called "clear-thinking"
hehehe
>
> Nick.
neddy
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on
Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted
radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John
Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face
a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to
Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the
country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and
its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if
you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then
Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another
Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law,
independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have
the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps,
then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he
said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to
the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told
reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should
"clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who
don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well
then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by
saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we
have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility
that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against
immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a
better life by coming to Australia ." "However, there are a few things
that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some
born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a
multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and
our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture,
our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles,
trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought
freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
become part of our society . Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right
wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on
Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of
our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another
part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our
culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask
is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment
with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go",
then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this
planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change,
and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By
all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow
you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take
advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come
here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."
"Walt Davidson" <g3...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:03:59 +0100, "True Blue" <wh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>How prophetic. What a clear-thinking man WSC was.
>
> So, too, was Enoch Powell.
>
> 73 de Wlat
>
> --
> Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
neddy
>>How prophetic. What a clear-thinking man WSC was.
>
True Blue
"Walt Davidson" <g3...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:03:59 +0100, "True Blue" <wh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
The only reason Powell is hated so much today, is because he has so
comprehensively been proven right.
Mike G4KFK
> "G.A.Evans G4SDW" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:f4c6kf$lem$1...@aioe.org...
>> troll troll troll troll troll
>
> How is this related to amateur radio?
How is *anything* Beanie writes related to amateur radio?
FACE
<m...@privacy.net>, wrote
It is simply surprising that you can't see such a blatantly direct
connection!
G.A.Evans G4SDW
or else suffer the pain of a writ (Perhaps you meant
"Claim Form"?).
Quoted below is evidence of a second threat by you
towards me. which taken with your prolific output
of rather silly and infantile postings over the last 24 hours
casts you, G6KHP, in a very poor light.
Grow up, G6KHP!
"Dave" <dave...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Djornsk
And how many people at the time said "what he said was right, but he
shouldn't have said it" ? Politicians today get it right more often by
seldom if ever telling it like it is.
FACE
<g3...@despammed.com>, wrote
>On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:12:35 GMT, Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
><g3...@turner-smith.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Careful Walt, you can't go thinking that sort of thing without risking a
>>visit from Tony's Thought Plods!
>
>I am just waiting for someone to cause Godwin's Law to be invoked!
>
>73 de Wlat
Why? Are you some kind of nazi or something?
William Black
"True Blue" <wh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
True Blue
"William Black" <willia...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "True Blue" <wh...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:gO2dnWqt6MNFHffb...@giganews.com...
>>
>> "Walt Davidson" <g3...@despammed.com> wrote in message
>> news:elgk635l4mi7v25nb...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:03:59 +0100, "True Blue" <wh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>How prophetic. What a clear-thinking man WSC was.
>>>
>>> So, too, was Enoch Powell.
>>>
>>
>> The only reason Powell is hated so much today, is because he has so
>> comprehensively been proven right.
> I haven't seen any 'rivers of blood' for weeks now...
>
Metaphor; a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to
something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a
resemblance, as in "A mighty fortress is our God."
William Black
Rubbish.
He said it, I heard him say it, he meant it, he was wrong.
LVN
>>visit from Tony's Thought Plods!
>
>
坑狙T?萿Rt?@$t
FACE
<§|ª®T?ߪRt?@$t@norway_coastline.net>, wrote
>Off topic posting about religion to a UK amateur radio group:-
>Complaints-To: ab...@aioe.org
>
You know, §|ª®T?ߪRt?@$t, on a good night I can pick up God on my crystal
radio. Last night he mentioned you by name and said he didn't love you.
FACE
charlie
<SNIP>
>
> Powell was a fascist, just like Thatcher, Reagan, Blair and Bush.
>
Oh come on, please don't devalue the language. Blair is many things
but he is not a fascist, Reagan was controlled by a woman who read
tea leaves and Bush - whatever he is he is not in the same league as
Mussolini. Have you ever traveled by Amtrak?
I don't believe that Thatcher was a fascist but she certainly
something unpleasant! I think if Powell had had any power he would
have behaved fascistically - nasty man!
Charlie
PS: Was Churchill a radio amateur then?
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Me Lord, I kill filed that idiot about three years ago. He frequents another
forum where he's about as popular as a fart in a space ship.
tox
G.A.Evans G4SDW
of Radio, not unlike Mick Hunter.
"charlie" <wehat...@wymsey.co.uk> wrote in message
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Dave
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:18:11 +0100, "neddy" <sta...@despammed.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>We should take a lesson from the Australians!
>
>
> lower than the chance of TB becoming the next Pope.
Isn't he taking the first step after he goes?
Dave
owners club@nicksplace.comco The Legend
Oi, Nick has promised ME, that job in lieu of a gold watch, for long
service...
tox
G.A.Evans G4SDW
"坑狙T?萿Rt?@$t" <坑狙T?萿Rt?@$t@norway_coastline.net> wrote in message
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And yet your own posting of only 3 minutes previous to your one above, and
quoted
below falls into the self-same category.
You stupid hypocrite.
Who do you think you are? Mrs.Nugatory? M3OSN?
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> My Call is M0WWS. I had an accident,
> and I woke up in uk.radio.amateur.
> Am I mad, in a coma, or back in time?
> ----------------------------------------------
Mad, and possibly a bit of a twat too.
jonz
"Cheemag" <che...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:18:11 +0100, "neddy" <sta...@despammed.com> wrote:
>
>>We should take a lesson from the Australians!
>
>
> Really? You could have fooled me.
.o00o.
yes, but then, you are easily fooled eh cobber....................
>
> --
>
> 73, Jim, G4RGA
>
> Rally Info: http://www.g4rga.org.uk
Pellucid
"neddy" <sta...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> We should take a lesson from the Australians!
>
> > On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 00:03:59 +0100, "True Blue" <wh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>How prophetic. What a clear-thinking man WSC was.
> >
> > So, too, was Enoch Powell.
> >
Yeah, but if the English can Colonise and takeover Australia from the
Abbo's, why can't the Muzzo's do the same to the Ozzie's?
charlie
> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:45:37 +0100, charlie <wehat...@wymsey.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Cheemag wrote:
>
>> Have you ever traveled by Amtrak?
>
>
The trains were great and the journey was great except for rolling
in to New York four hours late. That would not have happened in a
fascist state!
Charlie.
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Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
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> Yes. A complete amateur when it came to the technicalities
> of Radio, not unlike Mick Hunter.
>
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