Heard yesterday in a local emporium...
Chaney
mentioned a fault he was having with a radio he purchased from there...he
said that occasionally when he is talking the power meter on the rig stops
working...after he has a twiddle with the mic gain control it (the power
meter) starts working again...the shop owner asked if he noticed whether or
not the power supply was still drawing around 18 amps when this was
happening!!..
My question is "how much power would a M3 have to be pushing from a TS-430
to draw 18 amps"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......
--
Chaney..
Chaney's World: Scooters - A Way of Life
http://www.chaneysworld.co.uk
Yeti
> I was in a local emporium yesterday (no - not Radio World) when a customer
> mentioned a fault he was having with a radio he purchased from there...he
> said that occasionally when he is talking the power meter on the rig stops
> working...after he has a twiddle with the mic gain control it (the power
> meter) starts working again...the shop owner asked if he noticed whether or
> not the power supply was still drawing around 18 amps when this was
> happening!!..
>
> My question is "how much power would a M3 have to be pushing from a TS-430
> to draw 18 amps"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......
>
about 100W, obviously...
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
Depends upon the overall efficiency of the rig.
--
;-)
..
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
..
http://turner-smith.co.uk
Bill
<cha...@i12.com> writes
>I was in a local emporium yesterday (no - not Radio World) when a customer
>mentioned a fault he was having with a radio he purchased from there...he
>said that occasionally when he is talking the power meter on the rig stops
>working...after he has a twiddle with the mic gain control it (the power
>meter) starts working again...the shop owner asked if he noticed whether or
>not the power supply was still drawing around 18 amps when this was
>happening!!..
>
>My question is "how much power would a M3 have to be pushing from a TS-430
>to draw 18 amps"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......
>
A darn sight less than a local M3 here that was asking how to provide
60A at 12V for his HF station. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Bill
Yeti
> Yeti wrote:
>> Chaney wrote:
>>> I was in a local emporium yesterday (no - not Radio World) when a
>>> customer mentioned a fault he was having with a radio he purchased
>>> from there...he said that occasionally when he is talking the power
>>> meter on the rig stops working...after he has a twiddle with the mic
>>> gain control it (the power meter) starts working again...the shop
>>> owner asked if he noticed whether or not the power supply was still
>>> drawing around 18 amps when this was happening!!..
>>>
>>> My question is "how much power would a M3 have to be pushing from a
>>> TS-430 to draw 18 amps"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......
>>>
>>
>> about 100W, obviously...
>
> Depends upon the overall efficiency of the rig.
>
An FT-847 will draw 18A while outputting 10W on 4m.
Paul Starship
>My question is "how much power would a M3 have to be pushing from a TS-430
>to draw 18 amps"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......
depends if the PA is in good shape or not.
but as usual.... the top quality training of the FL is shining through
Paul Starship
wrote:
>A darn sight less than a local M3 here that was asking how to provide
>60A at 12V for his HF station. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats some Creed-7B and ST-5-box he has there !!
Brian Reay
news:j3UVm.108016$Ub.9...@newsfe17.ams2...
>I was in a local emporium yesterday (no - not Radio World) when a customer
>mentioned a fault he was having with a radio he purchased from there...he
>said that occasionally when he is talking the power meter on the rig stops
>working...after he has a twiddle with the mic gain control it (the power
>meter) starts working again...the shop owner asked if he noticed whether or
>not the power supply was still drawing around 18 amps when this was
>happening!!..
>
> My question is "how much power would a M3 have to be pushing from a TS-430
> to draw 18 amps"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......
The same as anyone else running the same power. However, the M3 does seem to
have said he was drawing 18A, that was an assumption by the shop owner. No
doubt you will change the story to address this, or mention some unrelated
story, but the 18A bit, by your own words, came from the shop owner.
Jimbo ...
I don't think I would be welcome at mine ........which is no bad thing......
Jimbo ...
"Brian Reay" <seewe...@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:400Wm.57680$%q6....@newsfe08.ams2...
one.....only fair and understandable ...
luc...@eternal-flames.gov
>My question is "how much power would a M3 have to be pushing from a TS-430
>to draw 18 amps"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......
If it's any more than the 400mW maximum they should be allowed, it's
too bleedin' much.
Nick.
luc...@eternal-flames.gov
That's what you get when you try to smuggle in a box of matches.
They've heard what you do to digital things.
Spike
Brian Reay wrote:
Like Sherlock Holmes' dog that didn't bark, the clue to the M3's power
and skill level lies in what wasn't said:
Shop owner: "Does the rig draw 18 amps when this happens?"
to which there are three possible answers:
M3: "Yes" or
M3: "No, it draws X amps"
or the one relevant to this case is
M3: "erm, cough, splutter, dunno" (which could also easily be
indicated by (an embarassed) silence).
So, it wasn't what the shop owner said that is important here, but
what the M3 didn't say.
You may well be aware that in the current state of the criminal
justice system in this country, inferences are allowed to be drawn
from a suspect exercising their right of silence, that could be used
against them in a court of law. You might do well to start drawing
inferences from the dog that didn't bark.
--
from
Aero Spike
Not a member of the RSGB for 50 years 1959 - 2009
Ian Jackson
<g3...@invalid.invalid> writes
>>to draw 18 amps"
>
>
It's odious CB-speak for the jargony 'outputting'. Get used to it.
You'll be hearing it a lot!
--
Ian
Ian Jackson
<g3...@invalid.invalid> writes
>On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:06:46 +0000, Ian Jackson
><ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>Pushing?
>>>
>>It's odious CB-speak for the jargony 'outputting'. Get used to it.
>>You'll be hearing it a lot!
>
>they are feeding into their twig.
>
By George - he's got it! By George - he's got it!
<http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/myfairlady/theraininspain.htm>
--
Ian
Chaney
news:nhnhi5tcbk4kbvk7v...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>It's odious CB-speak for the jargony 'outputting'. Get used to it.
>>You'll be hearing it a lot!
>
> they are feeding into their twig.
>
>
> --
> Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
See...you know more CB speak than I do!!..
Chaney
> to have said he was drawing 18A, that was an assumption by the shop owner.
> No doubt you will change the story to address this, or mention some
> unrelated story, but the 18A bit, by your own words, came from the shop
> owner.
>
>
I was going to add that in an extra paragraph just for you but I thought
"what the fcuk - let's give Brian the right to reply"...
I also forgot to mention that the said M3 is using the rig on 27mhz!!..is
that unrelated enough for you!!..
Paul Starship
<seewe...@invalid.com> wrote:
>The same as anyone else running the same power. However, the M3 does seem to
>have said he was drawing 18A, that was an assumption by the shop owner. No
>doubt you will change the story to address this, or mention some unrelated
>story, but the 18A bit, by your own words, came from the shop owner.
i think that someone is accusing someone of confabulating !
Gordon Hudson
wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:30:37 -0000, "Brian Reay"
>
> >The same as anyone else running the same power. However, the M3 does seem to
> >have said he was drawing 18A, that was an assumption by the shop owner. No
> >doubt you will change the story to address this, or mention some unrelated
> >story, but the 18A bit, by your own words, came from the shop owner.
>
> i think that someone is accusing someone of confabulating !
To be fair though, if an MM3 is running 100w his ERP is nearly always
going to be at QRP levels based on some of the antenna systems I have
seen recently. For example, ATU's seem to be mandatory for new
licensees on any band, yet I have never used one above 7MHz and even
then rarely. I see it as a point of honour that I get all my antennas
to match the radio without an ATU. It makes operating easier and
reduces silly mismatch losses. Maybe I am just too old fashioned.
Ian Jackson
<dfabce02-b14c-4b1c...@3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
Gordon Hudson <gordonh...@googlemail.com> writes
>
>For example, ATU's seem to be mandatory for new
>licensees on any band, yet I have never used one above 7MHz and even
>then rarely.
Uh? Where did you get this information?
--
Ian
Paul Starship
<gordonh...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On 16 Dec, 15:38, p.blas...@google-nospam-email.com (Paul Starship)
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:30:37 -0000, "Brian Reay"
>>
>> <seewebs...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> >The same as anyone else running the same power. However, the M3 does seem to
>> >have said he was drawing 18A, that was an assumption by the shop owner. No
>> >doubt you will change the story to address this, or mention some unrelated
>> >story, but the 18A bit, by your own words, came from the shop owner.
>>
>> i think that someone is accusing someone of confabulating !
>
>To be fair though, if an MM3 is running 100w his ERP is nearly always
who said anything about ERP ?
an m3 is entitled to present 10 watts at the aerial input.
if the transceiver is drinking 18 amps at 12 to 13 volts the
1. the pa stage is completely shot
2. the m3 is sending lots of watts out the back end
>going to be at QRP levels based on some of the antenna systems I have
QRP ?
if i remem... qrp stops at 5watts not 100 watts ERP or no ERP.
then again... who ever heard of an m3 who was capable of measuring
18 amps but then didnt know the difference between 10 watts and 100
watts?
or to put it another way..
if an m3 has the ability to measure 18 amps, then that m3 must be
aware of the diffference between being-at-or-below-10-watts and
being-over-10-watts.
Yeti
I have an Automatic ATU on my 847 - but I only need it/use it on top
band (where I've yet to make a contact).
Yeti
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:08:34 -0800 (PST), Gordon Hudson
> <gordonh...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 16 Dec, 15:38, p.blas...@google-nospam-email.com (Paul Starship)
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 07:30:37 -0000, "Brian Reay"
>>>
>>> <seewebs...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> The same as anyone else running the same power. However, the M3 does seem to
>>>> have said he was drawing 18A, that was an assumption by the shop owner. No
>>>> doubt you will change the story to address this, or mention some unrelated
>>>> story, but the 18A bit, by your own words, came from the shop owner.
>>> i think that someone is accusing someone of confabulating !
>> To be fair though, if an MM3 is running 100w his ERP is nearly always
> who said anything about ERP ?
>
> an m3 is entitled to present 10 watts at the aerial input.
>
Transmitter/Transciever OUTPUT, I'd say.
Yeti
> an m3 is entitled to present 10 watts at the aerial input.
>
> if the transceiver is drinking 18 amps at 12 to 13 volts the
> 1. the pa stage is completely shot
> 2. the m3 is sending lots of watts out the back end
3. It's an 847 on 4m... :P
Dave
> You may well be aware that in the current state of the criminal
> justice system in this country, inferences are allowed to be drawn
> from a suspect exercising their right of silence, that could be used
> against them in a court of law. You might do well to start drawing
> inferences from the dog that didn't bark.
I'm glad you brought that to my attention. I hadn't realised the
implications too well, of keeping silent.
Dave
Paul Starship
>Transmitter/Transciever OUTPUT, I'd say.
according to previous statements on this newsgroup and some other
info, the point of measurement is where the energy is presented to
the aerial.
Paul Starship
and would you believe it...whilst looking for info on this I found yet
another club website which makes reference to the ADVANCED LICENCE !!!
I wonder what the new RSGB Quality Manager has to say about this ?
Len GM0ONX
The content of club websites are the responsibility of the individual
clubs. Why would you think the RSGB would interfere in their content?
Spike
Dave wrote:
"If the police arrive to lock you up, say nothing...All you are doing
by trying to explain is digging yourself further in." Words of advice
from a solicitor, perhaps, or even a hardened criminal who knows how
to work the system? Far from it � this is one of the many musings of
Jack Night, a serving police officer whose anonymous blog detailing
the daily working life of a detective has won him plaudits and prizes.
The online diary, "NightJack - An English Detective", was started just
18 months ago and details the author's frustrations with his force and
attempts at the reform of policing which, he says, has turned officers
from "approachable neighbourhood figures into neon-clad
stormtroopers." "
These 27-minute You tube videos are American, but mostly applies here
too. Pour yourself a double scotch and spend an hour here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
The police officer's response is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE&feature=related
Peter Day
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:27:19 -0000, "Chaney" <cha...@i12.com> wrote:
>
>> My question is "how much power would a M3 have to be pushing from a TS-430
>> to draw 18 amps"
>
> Pushing?
>
>
A Freudian CB slip Walt :-)
Peter Day
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:06:46 +0000, Ian Jackson
> <ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>
>> It's odious CB-speak for the jargony 'outputting'. Get used to it.
>> You'll be hearing it a lot!
>
> they are feeding into their twig.
>
> 73 de Wlat
>
Does that relate to the popping of cherries over the 9 ?
Brian Reay
> "Brian Reay" <seewe...@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:400Wm.57680$%q6....@newsfe08.ams2...
>>
>>
>> The same as anyone else running the same power. However, the M3 does seem
>> to have said he was drawing 18A, that was an assumption by the shop
>> owner. No doubt you will change the story to address this, or mention
>> some unrelated story, but the 18A bit, by your own words, came from the
>> shop owner.
>>
>>
>
> I was going to add that in an extra paragraph just for you but I thought
> "what the fcuk - let's give Brian the right to reply"...
Of course you were.
>
> I also forgot to mention that the said M3 is using the rig on 27mhz!!..is
> that unrelated enough for you!!..
>
Of course you did. Does the radio in question operate on 27mhz (sic)? If it
does: it must have been heavily modified and it would need one (very) large
antenna. Have you any idea how long an antenna is on 27mhz (sic)?
(I'd expect a G6 to know the difference between mhz (sic) and MHz).
If you must confabulate stories to overcome your insecurity, try to get your
facts right!
Paul Starship
<seewe...@invalid.com> wrote:
>does: it must have been heavily modified and it would need one (very) large
>antenna. Have you any idea how long an antenna is on 27mhz (sic)?
heavily modified ????
explain.
>
>(I'd expect a G6 to know the difference between mhz (sic) and MHz).
well well well...not even two days and already using the
''if you cant debate then insult'' routine.
>If you must confabulate stories to overcome your insecurity, try to get your
>facts right!
yes..brian...its about time you took your own advice.
Paul Starship
<seewe...@invalid.com> wrote:
>does: it must have been heavily modified and it would need one (very) large
>antenna. Have you any idea how long an antenna is on 27mhz (sic)?
heavily modified ????
explain.
have a look at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspV5pA1CwI&feature=related
and pause it on 00:11 its only 2:58 long.
Brian Reay
news:4b294c94...@news.albasani.net...
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:50:27 -0000, "Brian Reay"
> <seewe...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>
>>does: it must have been heavily modified and it would need one (very)
>>large
>>antenna. Have you any idea how long an antenna is on 27mhz (sic)?
>
> heavily modified ????
>
> explain.
Do you know the difference between the prefix for milli and the one for
Mega?
If you don't, that rather brings us back to the question of your technical
knowledge.
HTH
Paul Starship
<seewe...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> heavily modified ????
>>
>> explain.
>
> Do you know the difference between the prefix for milli and the one for
>Mega?
my god brian... are you that desparate to pick a hole in chaney's post
to take his use of mhz instead of MHz ???
if you are then please please please grow up.
Ian Jackson
<p.bl...@google-nospam-email.com> writes
--
Ian
Paul Starship
<ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>A real radio amateur uses Mc/s. Some even use only Mc.
Problem there...
Brian has/had the callsign M3OSN so
you might as well forget him using them.
jeff
>> an m3 is entitled to present 10 watts at the aerial input.
>>
>
> Transmitter/Transciever OUTPUT, I'd say.
You might say, but the licence says different!
"..power supplied TO THE ANTENNA by a transmitter during.."
Note "to the antenna", not to the feeder, or at the output of the
transmitter.
73
Jeff
Yeti
Interesting.
No wonder Ofcom don't enforce the 10W limit - they can't be bothered
climbed onto roofs and towers to check the power at the aerial's input!
Ian Jackson
<ye...@ayrshore.com> writes
On HF, the feeder losses are usually fairly minimal.
Of course, some FLs may not have come across the subject of feeder loss
(or don't understand it). To be on the safe side, they assume that the
loss is much higher than it really is. To make absolutely sure that they
get their allotted 10W at the aerial feedpoint, they accidentally
over-estimate the amount that they have to crank up the transmitter
power to compensate for the loss..
--
Ian
Steve Terry
news:8o5hi55vo9ev070d3...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:27:19 -0000, "Chaney" <cha...@i12.com> wrote:
>
>
>>My question is "how much power would a M3 have to be pushing from a TS-430
>
> If it's any more than the 400mW maximum they should be allowed, it's
> too bleedin' much.
> Nick.
>
>
10mW of 433MHz LPD is more than they deserve
Steve Terry
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Brian Reay
Have you a reference to this claim?
4CX250K
opinions of the local foundation course trainers. Many foundation
licensees do not have an accurate power meter and the foundation course
does not give them the info to carry out the necessary tests and
calculations. The RSGB say it is measured at the antenna and Rod at
Ofcom says at the output of the final.
4CX250K
Paul Starship
wrote:
>Have you a reference to this claim?
yes.
Brian Reay
Let's see it then, or we shall we add it to the other outstanding questions
now?
Paul Starship
wrote:
>Let's see it then, or we shall we add it to the other outstanding questions
>now?
I have at least two references
Which one would you like first ?
The OFCOM one or the one that came from your own keyboard ?
Brian Reay
"Paul Starship" <p.bl...@google-nospam-email.com> wrote in message
news:4b2a63ec...@news.albasani.net...
Both or either, up to you.
Paul Starship
wrote:
>Both or either, up to you.
well then go find them yourself.
do you think that i'm going to do all the work around here ?
if i'm not highlighting QUALITY PROBLEMS,
now you want me to go find stuff for you too!!
heres where to start...
1. in the sample licence pdf file on the ofcom website
2. from your own keyboard back in 2003 - april.
Brian Reay
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:04:21 -0000, "Brian Reay" <s...@website.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Both or either, up to you.
>
> well then go find them yourself.
>
> do you think that i'm going to do all the work around here ?
>
So you don't have a reference then.
Paul Starship
wrote:
>So you don't have a reference then.
Brian.....
I've given you _TWO_ pointers
Go do some work for yourself and find the info.
As an (ex?)Lead Instructor you should be more than
familiar with the first reference...
and since you wrote the second one you should be able
to find that one in less than 5 minutes.
But go ahead Brian... keeping prodding...
Len GM0ONX
You'll need a Proctologist to get anything out of Paul by prodding!
jeff
>>> Transmitter/Transciever OUTPUT, I'd say.
>> according to previous statements on this newsgroup and some other
>> info, the point of measurement is where the energy is presented to
>> the aerial.
>
> Have you a reference to this claim?
>
>
The licence is very clear:
"..power supplied to the ANTENNA by a transmitter.."
Not to the feeder, and not out of the transmitter, but "to the antenna".
73
Jeff
Len GM0ONX
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Licences/samplelicence07.pdf
Schedule 1, Page 21 part b
They keep changing things to confuse the previously informed!
Len GM0ONX
(standby for Nicks comments)! :-)
Ian Jackson
<gm0...@goooooglemail.com> writes
(a) dBW is the power level in dB relative to one Watt.
(b) Peak envelope power is the average power supplied to the antenna by
a transmitter during one radio frequency cycle at the crest of the
modulation envelope taken under normal operating conditions.
(c) Effective radiated power (e.r.p.) (in a given direction) is the
product of the power supplied to the antenna and its gain relative to a
half-wave dipole in a given direction."
From (c), it's obvious that "the power supplied to the antenna by a
transmitter" is intended to mean "the power at the antenna feedpoint".
--
Ian
Paul Starship
<ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> From (c), it's obvious that "the power supplied to the antenna by a
>transmitter" is intended to mean "the power at the antenna feedpoint".
>--
>Ian
cue: ex-M3OSN ... huffing & puffing
Dave
> These 27-minute You tube videos are American, but mostly applies here
> too. Pour yourself a double scotch and spend an hour here:
I did, with a break for Dr. Who?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
What he said was very, very good advice.
> The police officer's response is here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE&feature=related
And confirmed by that.
Son is in the police and he has told me what questions and how they ask
them to hang the guilty.
In my real ale pub, an ex business man says, when stopped by them, say
nothing and shrug your shoulders to all questions and they are quite
likely to let you go.
Thanks
Dave
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
head has a similar effect.
--
;-)
..
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
..
http://turner-smith.co.uk
Brian Howie
What happens if you've a stack of 4 antennas ? 400W to each ? or 400W
to the splitter ?
I think the antenna should include the feeder. Well it will encourage
you to get your feeder losses down.
Brian
--
Brian Howie
Brian Reay
"Len GM0ONX" <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote in message
news:hgdsea$cto$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
He knows the references don't exist.
--
73
Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
www.g8osn.net
Brian Reay
"Ian Jackson" <ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:x8wXOwD0...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk...
All very interesting but not as informative has Paul's glaring error- which
is covered in the UK FL so, one would assume, in the exam "he took" to get
his licence.
--
73
Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
www.g8osn.net
Life is too short for cheap wine.
Paul Starship
<g3...@turner-smith.co.uk> wrote:
>I'm told standing up all night in your cell with a blanKet over your
>head has a similar effect.
Blanket abd Big K ...
Grow up Frank.
Its bad enough with M3osn at it without you lowering yourself too.
Paul Starship
wrote:
>He knows the references don't exist.
are you blind as well ?
Paul Starship
wrote:
>All very interesting but not as informative has Paul's glaring error- which
>is covered in the UK FL so, one would assume, in the exam "he took" to get
>his licence.
then your own glaring error in 2003 fits right in.
but then again... you dont want to hear that.
Len GM0ONX
That's rich coming from you, you don't like being asked to reply to ANY
error on ANY issue!
Steve Terry
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"Walt Davidson" <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:p31li5hs6iucjiue9...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:05:55 +0000, Ian Jackson
> <ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Of course, some FLs may not have come across the subject of feeder loss
>>(or don't understand it). To be on the safe side, they assume that the
>>loss is much higher than it really is. To make absolutely sure that they
>>get their allotted 10W at the aerial feedpoint, they accidentally
>>over-estimate the amount that they have to crank up the transmitter
>>power to compensate for the loss.
>
> Quite so. Usually by a factor of at least 10!
> 73 de G3NYY
> Walt Davidson
>
>
Let's face it, the power limitation to the FL was only added
to provide the minimum of differentiation from a real licence
If only operating when there is an R in the month had been enough
to satisfy the Freebanders, it would have been that.
Steve Terry
Steve Terry
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:54:30 -0000, "Steve Terry" <gfou...@tesco.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Let's face it, the power limitation to the FL was only added
>>to provide the minimum of differentiation from a real licence
>>
>>If only operating when there is an R in the month had been enough
>>to satisfy the Freebanders, it would have been that.
>
> FT-1000MP Mk V Field transceivers on 27.555 MHz and 6.6 MHz. Why
> would they run any less power just because they had QSY'd to 3.7 MHz
> or 7 MHz? It's a nonsense.
>
> 73 de G3NYY
> Walt Davidson
>
>
or bigger on the end
Steve Terry
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Brian Reay
Just another example of Paul's misunderstandings (to be polite). I can't
pretend to be surprised.
Did he even get back to you on that Comreg question? Or with a date?
Chaney
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>
>>
>
>
> Of course you did. Does the radio in question operate on 27mhz (sic)? If
> it does: it must have been heavily modified and it would need one (very)
> large antenna. Have you any idea how long an antenna is on 27mhz (sic)?
>
> (I'd expect a G6 to know the difference between mhz (sic) and MHz).
>
> If you must confabulate stories to overcome your insecurity, try to get
> your facts right!
>
>
>
>
merry christmas you prick...or is that Merry Christmas!!..
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Chaney
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:50:27 -0000, "Brian Reay"
>> <seewe...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>does: it must have been heavily modified and it would need one (very)
>>>large
>>>antenna. Have you any idea how long an antenna is on 27mhz (sic)?
>>
>>
>> explain.
>
> Do you know the difference between the prefix for milli and the one for
> Mega?
>
> If you don't, that rather brings us back to the question of your technical
> knowledge.
>
> HTH
That's two remarks (I was going to put "replies" but as the original post
had nothing to do with you) in a row that I have construed as "Internet
bullying"...from a school teacher!!..you're on thin ice Brian...
jeff
>> The licence is very clear:
>>
>> "..power supplied to the ANTENNA by a transmitter.."
>>
>> Not to the feeder, and not out of the transmitter, but "to the antenna".
>>
>> 73
>> Jeff
>
>
> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Licences/samplelicence07.pdf
>
>
> Schedule 1, Page 21 part b
>
> They keep changing things to confuse the previously informed!
>
> Len GM0ONX
> (standby for Nicks comments)! :-)
That say exactly what I quoted!!
Jeff
jeff
You might think that but....
A very good question none the less; the Licence does not define where
the antenna starts, but it is certainly not 400W to each in a stack of 4!!
I guess that I one were being pedantic you could discount the losses in
the splitter and cables and calculate the actual power applied to each
beam and divide by 400W by 4.
73
Jeff
4CX250K
4CX250K
Len GM0ONX
I'm not arguing, just providing the link for those that want to see it
themselves. You how distrusting some can be on here! :-)
Paul Starship
>bullying"...from a school teacher!!..you're on thin ice Brian...
but he has no time for the teaching profession.
Paul Starship
>That say exactly what I quoted!!
What else do you expect ?
Paul Starship
>A very good question none the less; the Licence does not define where
>the antenna starts,
thats why i made reference to another post.
and theres at least one more from a highly respected skateboarder.
Paul Starship
<ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>get their allotted 10W at the aerial feedpoint, they accidentally
>over-estimate the amount that they have to crank up the transmitter
>power to compensate for the loss..
which is what another post from m3osn was on about.
m3osn also used the phrase TO THE ANTENNA back in 2003.
allowing for losses in the transmission line allows an M3
to shove X watts in and only apply Y watts to the antenna.
Len GM0ONX
A reply to a question?
Brian Reay
Dream on Len ;-)
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Len GM0ONX
> "Len GM0ONX" <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote in message
> news:hggt7i$ncg$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Paul Starship wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:11:01 +0000, jeff <je...@local.host> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That say exactly what I quoted!!
>>> What else do you expect ?
>>>
>>>
>> A reply to a question?
>
> Dream on Len ;-)
>
>
You know me always the optimus!
Dave
Now who do you know that would have tried that?
No! Not Beany?
Dave
Dave
> merry christmas you prick...or is that Merry Christmas!!..
I make it merry Christmas :-)
Dave