This house finds it unacceptable to use the word 'Bo**ocks'
on 80m at any time of day or night.
Discuss.
Bollocks ! ......
"The testicles (sometimes used in the singular); Nonsense or
information deliberately intended to mislead; An idiot, an ignorant or
disagreeable person; A contraction of the dog's bollocks; To break; To
fail (a task); to make a mess of; Expressing anger, frustration, etc"
One definition found on the web - given that there are a large number
of idiots in amateur radio, and a similar number of ignorant or
disagreeable people, then I'd say it's probably not worth bothering
about.
Granted most of the idiots are failry new, but most of the ignorant
and disagreeable ones have been on HF since the days of the "Class A"
test. :P
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;-)
..
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
..
http://turner-smith.co.uk
2m FM rarely makes it out of the country to embarass us
internationally.
Frank
I've just got back from a week in southern Scotland
If the young girls can use far worse words than 'Bo**ocks'
you've nowt to complain about , you ken.
The difference is up there you don't see the females walking around with "bin
liners " hiding their faces
DieSea
if you were in Dumfries, some of them should.
In what context!!..
Rafa Benitez is Bollocks...Alex Ferguson is the dogs bollocks...surely that
would be acceptable!!..
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Chaney's World: Scooters - A Way of Life
http://www.chaneysworld.co.uk
> 2m FM rarely makes it out of the country to embarass us
> internationally.
It's not the word bollocks but the bollocks they talk on 80m that's the
embarrassment!!..
Freudian slip there ...
you were never there..........
> The difference is up there you don't see the females walking around with
> "bin liners " hiding their faces
>
> DieSea
>
that is because they are not daft enough to live down there ....they are all
up here.... ken?
It is in Scotland isn't it!!..
It wasn't Nick was it he's fond of that word! :-)
Win, Win then!
Nonsense.... Total COBBLERS!
Nick.
And that one!
>luc...@eternal-flames.gov wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:48:25 +0000, Len GM0ONX
>> <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul Starship wrote:
>>>> This house finds it unacceptable to use the word 'Bo**ocks'
>>>> on 80m at any time of day or night.
>>>>
>>>> Discuss.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It wasn't Nick was it he's fond of that word! :-)
>>
>> Nonsense.... Total COBBLERS!
>>
>> Nick.
>
>And that one!
No. Almost invariably that one.
I leave it to you and others to - from time to time - talk bollocks
and to Captain America to talk complete and utter bollocks, all of the
time.
Nick.
The trouble is you don't leave us to talk bollocks, you join in! :-)
No. But frequently when you're talking bollocks, I might talk
cobblers.
Nick
Who the fcuk's Captain America!!..or need I ask!!..
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> Nick.
><luc...@eternal-flames.gov> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> No. Almost invariably that one.
>> I leave it to you and others to - from time to time - talk bollocks
>> and to Captain America to talk complete and utter bollocks, all of the
>> time.
>>
>
>Who the fcuk's Captain America!!..or need I ask!!..
Clue:
> Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
> www.g8osn.net
Nick.
yes... I think the PC world is changing in the depression......nice to see
that lot convicted today........
And sometimes the other way round just for a change!
>"Jimbo ..." <jim.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>>>
>> all professional fitbo' should be banned....
>>
>
>It is in Scotland isn't it!!..
It's not that it's banned, just that they never learned to play it.
Nick.
That's theoretically possible, but hasn't happened yet.
Nick.
"Paul Starship" <p.bl...@google-nospam-email.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> This house finds it unacceptable to use the word 'Bo**ocks'
> on 80m at any time of day or night.
>
> Discuss.
>
haha get a life?
I remember when my now wife first met my Japanese manager.. (NEC)
he asked her.. "which is better.. shit or bollocks? "
that was a very funny moment..
>That's theoretically possible, but hasn't happened yet.
Nick,
How long is it going to take you to realise ?
>haha get a life?
so can it be taken from your reply that you think that it is
completely acceptable
1. for little johnny or little mary to be tuning around the bands and
to hear such language coming through the speaker at them ?
2. for anyone to use such language at all on the air ?
3. that you would have no problem if you heard such language coming
from an rsgb news broadcast ?
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..
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
..
http://turner-smith.co.uk
Paul, you are fabricating a statement.
Frank did not say the use of "bollocks" was acceptable. In fact, I don't
believe anyone who has responded has suggested it is acceptable.
Looks to me like this is a case not dissimilar to someone imagining some
thing just because someone leaves a restaurant alone.
"Paul Starship" <p.bl...@google-nospam-email.com> wrote in message
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1, I am sure little Johhny hears worse at school, or from his parents.
I don't think it is acceptable, but as a one off slip, don't have a problem
with it.
2, see above. there are far worse radio related crimes going on.. excess
power, deliberate jamming etc,
I certainly would not lose any sleep over such language, but might comment
if the author was continually
using such inappropriate language. There are many other words that would be
totally unacceptable though.
See the BBFC listings. http://monkeyfilter.com/link.php/11611
3, I would not expect anyone writing any official press releases to use
profanity of any sort, however if a news reader
had something happen and swore by mistake, then I don't think I would be too
bothered. For example if the newsreader
was reading live and his cup of scalding hot tea spilled on his lap or onto
the top of his new HF transceiver. I record my
scripts onto a Philips 9630 digital pocket memo, then broadcast the
recording when I read the RSGB news.
>
>Paul, you are fabricating a statement.
NO I AM NOT !
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT MR REAY !
Slightly less than it takes someone to bite heavily into the bait,
before finding the hook
Nick.
>1, I am sure little Johhny hears worse at school, or from his parents.
oh so that makes it ok to use that sort of language on the air then ?
>I don't think it is acceptable, but as a one off slip, don't have a problem
a once off slip would excuseable...to use the same phrase twice in
less than 60 seconds is ..... ???
>2, see above. there are far worse radio related crimes going on.. excess
Oh I see.... so therefore this means that it is ok to use these words
because others are up to worse things... ???
> I certainly would not lose any sleep over such language, but might comment
>if the author was continually
I'm not losing sleep.
I'm saddened that the lowering of standards has become so obvious.
> was reading live and his cup of scalding hot tea spilled on his lap or onto
>the top of his new HF transceiver.
Ah yes... the ''oh my oh dearrie dearrie me'' phrase.
> I record my
>scripts onto a Philips 9630 digital pocket memo, then broadcast the
>recording when I read the RSGB news.
a nice way of avoiding sudden throat problems or even ''knocks on the
door in mid broadcast'' as well!!
I'm coming to the opinion from various replies that standards in
the UK both of licensing and actual behaviour are lower than I
thought they actually are.
But this would be the case with Multiband CB anyway.
>You have a valid point OM, I just wondered why you singled out one of
>the (IMHO anyway) less offensive words in common use.
because it was one of the words I heard TWICE in a very short time.
but no matter which actual word it was, there was no need for it.
> a once off slip would excuseable...to use the same phrase twice in
> less than 60 seconds is ..... ???
>
A load of bollocks.
> I'm coming to the opinion from various replies that standards in
> the UK both of licensing and actual behaviour are lower than I
> thought they actually are.
>
> But this would be the case with Multiband CB anyway.
>
You're in Ireland (allegedly). Don't you have anything irish to moan about?
>Paul Starship wrote:
>
>> a once off slip would excuseable...to use the same phrase twice in
>> less than 60 seconds is ..... ???
>>
>
>A load of xxxxxxxxxxx
Yeti..above is a demonstration of how standards have fallen.
and as for being in ireland...
yet again...you forget that rf does not stop when it hits Larne
harbour or even when it finds itself south of Newry.
>>1, I am sure little Johhny hears worse at school, or from his parents.
> oh so that makes it ok to use that sort of language on the air then ?
>
You were the one that had a problem with little Johhny hearing it..
I have more of an issue with your failure to capitalise the first letter
of his name, than I do with what was allegedly said on 80m.
How old is little Johhny? Does he have issues with you calling him little?
What time was it allegedly said? if it was after 9:00 PM, then Johnny should
be in bed anyhow.
>>I don't think it is acceptable, but as a one off slip, don't have a
>>problem
> a once off slip would excuseable...to use the same phrase twice in
> less than 60 seconds is ..... ???
Can't you understand the line above?
>>2, see above. there are far worse radio related crimes going on.. excess
> Oh I see.... so therefore this means that it is ok to use these words
> because others are up to worse things... ???
Clear up the more serious issues first. Don't forget to get a life on the
way though.
>> I certainly would not lose any sleep over such language, but might
>> comment
>>if the author was continually
> I'm not losing sleep.
> I'm saddened that the lowering of standards has become so obvious.
My standards have not been lowered, with 6.8 Billion people on the planet,
I cannot expect
everyone out there to have the same standards as myself. We live in a
country with enough
surveillance and rules. Would you prefer it if the bands were monitored and
policed like they
are in some communist countries? If it upset you so much, you could have
QSY'd as soon as
you heard the first profanity.
<SNIP>
>
> I'm coming to the opinion from various replies that standards in
> the UK both of licensing and actual behaviour are lower than I
> thought they actually are.
>
> But this would be the case with Multiband CB anyway.
Blame the Irish.. In the 80's lots of the illegal CB sets came into the UK
via Ireland.
>Blame the Irish.. In the 80's lots of the illegal CB sets came into the UK
>via Ireland.
whats 1980's cb got to do with 2009 uk amateur radio ?
hmmm.... by todays standard of language used... it seems plenty.
for your info..
in the 1980's, ireland did not have a cb making factory.
I somewhat couldn't see any British national getting away with trying to
dictate to the Southern Irish what they should do with their amateur
radio structure on an Southern Irish amateur radio NG. They'd be rightly
being told to F off and mind their own business and to leave 'Ireland to
the Irish'. Well leave Britain to the British!
Additional complaints about 'Bollocks' displays were
made by bus inspector Charles Whitbread 2 days later,
and Virgin Records boss Richard Branson was informed
that he too would face charges.
The trial was held on Thursday November 24 1977.
BOLLOCKS COURT CASE TRANSCRIPT,
NOTTINGHAM MAGISTRATES' COURT 24/11/77
Proceedings:
David Ritchie prosecuting
John Mortimer Q.C. defending
Douglas Betts chairman
(...) Mr. Ritchie said the display measured 9 ft. by 6 ft.
with sleeves fitted around the posters with the word bollocks
displayed prominently.
The display consisted of three large posters and eleven sleeves.
The word bollocks was in letters four inches high and the
whole display was featured prominently in the front window
of the shop. Sgt. Stone spoke to Seale again and asked him if
he was responsible for the display and Seale said he was.
Sgt. Stone informed Seale it "appeared to be a breach
of the law" and Seale was placed under arrest. (...)
Mortimer then said that he wished to call Professor
James Kingsley to give evidence as to the meaning
of the word bollocks. Mr. Ritchie objected to the
witness being called.
However, the chairman said "let's get it over with",
and Kingsley was called. Kingsley told the court that
he was the Reverend James Kingsley,professor of
English studies at Nottingham University.
He said he was a former Anglican priest and also a
fellow of the Royal Academy. Under questioning from
Mortimer he then went into discussing
the derivation of the word bollocks.
He said it was used in records from the year 1000 and in
Anglo Saxon times it meant a small ball.
The terms was also used to describe an orchid. He said that
in the 1961 publication of Eric Partridge's Dictionary of Slang,
he had not taken into account the use of the word bollocks
in the Middle Ages. He said it appears in Medievil bibles and
veterinary books. In the bible it was used to describe small t
hings of an appropriate shape.
He said that the word also appears in place names without
stirring any sensual desires in the local communities. Mortimer
said that this would be similar to a city being called Maidenhead
which didn't seem to cause the locals in the vicinity any problems.
Mr Kingsley said that Partridgein his books wrote that bollocks
remained in colloquial use down throughthe centuries and
was also used to denote a clergyman in the last century.
"The word has been used as a nickname for clergymen.
Clergymen are known to talk a good deal of rubbish and
so the word later developed the meaning
of nonsense,'' he said.
"They became known for talking a great deal of bollocks,
just as old balls or baloney also come to mean testicles,
so it has twin uses in the dictionary". (...)
Mr. Ritchie asked him if he was just an expert on the
word bollocks to which Kingsley replied that he was an
expert on the English language who felt he could speak
with authority on the derivation of a word such as
bollocks.
Mr.Ritchie asked Kingsley if the words fuck, cunt and twat
also appeared in the Dictionary of Slang from which he
had quoted. KIngsley replied "if the word f*** does not
appear in the dictionary it should."
Mr. Mortimer in summing up the case for the defense said
(...) what sort of country are we living in if a politician comes
to Nottingham and speaks here to a group of people in the
city centre and during his speech a heckler replies 'bollocks',
- are we to expect this person to be incarcerated, or do we
live in a country where we are proud of our Anglo
Saxon language?
Do we wish our language to be verile and strong or
watered down and weak?
(...)
Upon returning to the courtroom some 20 minutes
later the chairman of the bench made this finding:
"Much as my colleagues and I wholeheartedly deplore
the vulgar exploitation of the worst instincts of human
nature for the purchases of commercial profits by both
you and your company, we must reluctantly
find you not quilty of each of the four charges."
Why'd you censor out my 'bollocks' when you left yours in...
I should really have said a pair of bollocks....
Yep.
Obviously Paul Starship has never listened to Radio 4.
If he did then he'd be outraged by the daily plays ;-)
Earlier this year I listened to the news at 11pm.
A politician was asked about his views on a govt policy.
The interviewee replied:
"Well I think he's being a bit of a cunt"
Priceless - wish I could get a recording ;-)
AND that MAN complains about it Wlat
DieSea
Its all balls anyway.
Mores the pity - I still have to listen to your bollocks because of that
fact.
Nobody told Tom Cruise...he turned up at the Rangers match last night...he
must have been bitterly disapointed...
Saying that...had he turned up at Anfield he would have been more
disappointed...unless of course you were an Italian...tee hee hee...
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Ok...don't tell me...let me guess...
Do you have to make the clues so hard!!..
I have to answer with this:
If bad language is all I have to worry about from my kids then the world is
safe...at the rear of my house is a football pitch that has been vandalised
by local drug taking - beer swilling - dope smoking under 16's...
I give my kids four simple rules: never swear in front of you grand
parents...never swear at your teachers - unless they swear at you
first...and never swear in front of a priest - he should always be allowed
first go...and the most important one of all - never swear at a restaurant
owner until you meal is on the table!!..
><luc...@eternal-flames.gov> wrote in message
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>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Who the fcuk's Captain America!!..or need I ask!!..
>>
>> Clue:
>>> Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
>>> www.g8osn.net
>>
>> Nick.
>
>Ok...don't tell me...let me guess...
>
>Do you have to make the clues so hard!!..
It's so that they likes of Len can work it out. ;-)
Nick.
>Nobody told Tom Cruise...he turned up at the Rangers match last night...he
>must have been bitterly disapointed...
>
>Saying that...had he turned up at Anfield he would have been more
>disappointed...unless of course you were an Italian...tee hee hee...
I blame all of these damned foreigners infesting English football.
At this rate, future England -v- The Rest of the World, games, will
require the players to swap shirts at half-time, instead of ends.
Nick.
Gee thanks!
>Mores the pity - I still have to listen to your xxxxxxxx because of that
>fact.
the message you refer to was not sent by RF.
>If bad language is all I have to worry about from my kids then the world is
my point is that standards on *amateur radio* are bad enough without
tolerating language that you would not use in front of your mother.
*YOU* moan about local m3's and the standards of some of them.
>safe...at the rear of my house is a football pitch that has been vandalised
>by local drug taking - beer swilling - dope smoking under 16's...
yes, the world is going downhill, but do you want amateur radio to go
downhill as fast or do you want to try (note try) and at least slow
down the eventual drop into anarchy ?
>I give my kids four simple rules: never swear in front of you grand
>parents...never swear at your teachers - unless they swear at you
>first...and never swear in front of a priest - he should always be allowed
>first go...and the most important one of all - never swear at a restaurant
>owner until you meal is on the table!!..
and never swear on amateur radio.
Problem is that bad language (esp. from youngsters) is generally a sign of
more serious things to come. However, I do note you've taught them when
swearing is esp. inappropriate, which is to be commended.
The argument is not unlike the one over school uniforms- a school strict on
the uniform code rarely has any real behaviour problems as it sets an ethos
of expectation.
--
73
Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
www.g8osn.net
Life is too short for cheap wine.
> The argument is not unlike the one over school uniforms- a school strict
> on the uniform code rarely has any real behaviour problems as it sets an
> ethos of expectation.
>
speaking of which ...just been watching an old St Trinnians about a train
robbery....nice pye portable at the start with big battery pack underneath
and a whip antenna....wonder what model it was?.....any radio pervs know????
> It is a fact that many of the illegal multimode transcievers came into the
> UK via Ireland.
>
>
Now there's an inconvenient truth!
You should watch the new one - the girls are so much nicer to view :P
Stick to CW, OM. No-one's likely to key out "B O L L O C K S", it would take
10.2 seconds to send at 12 wpm. *
"F C U K O F F" would only take 9.2 seconds *, so you'd get an extra
seconds' drinking time.
* According to QRZ.COM, dah = 3 * dit, 1 dit intra-character separation, 3
dits between characters, 7 dits between words. Test word PARIS = 50 dits,
12wpm = 600 dits/min = 10 dits /second.
BOLLOCKS = 102 dits = 10.2 sec,
FCUK OFF = 92 dits = 9.2 sec.
Blimey, I was bored today.
--
;-)
.
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
.
and who said a tin tinnie for a good girl ....
The Irish are a bad lot .............
>No but their customs people were not bothered about letting such things into
and what about *your* customs people then ?
back in 1980's there was not the free-movement-of-goods-inter-eu as
there is now.
>It is a fact that many of the illegal multimode transcievers came into the
>UK via Ireland.
it is a fact that there was and is UK customs at each official entry
point into the UK.
>it is a fact that there was and is UK customs at each official entry
>point into the UK.
ISTR reports in the radio comics of the day (1982/83), of Customs at
Harwich, grabbing a container of illegal CB sets, shipped from
Taiwan... �60K worth I think was mentioned.
That had to be a few hundred units
No doubt easier to do it that way than mess around with a few dozen
sets at a time brought in through Ireland.
Nick.
Steve Terry
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"Walt Davidson" <g3...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:01:55 -0000, "Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI"
> <g3...@turner-smith.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Stick to CW, OM. No-one's likely to key out "B O L L O C K S", it would
>>take
>>10.2 seconds to send at 12 wpm. *
>
> The standard abbreviation, which has been recognized on CW for as many
> years as I can remember, is 'BLX'.
>
:)
My mother wouldn't be listening to amateur radio...
>
> *YOU* moan about local m3's and the standards of some of them.
>
Absolutely right...the standard of their operating procedure leaves a lot to
be desired...five to ten over QSO's on S20 before they eventually clear the
calling frequency for starters...once they are on their desired frequency
they can swear at each other all they like as I wouldn't waste my time
listening to them...I just wish they would get there a bit quicker...
The problem is that they find it hard to tell the difference between 145.500
and 27.78125 (I had too think about that then)...they spend so much time
talking on the 'breaking' channel that they forget that they are required to
move from S20...
This is a typical transcript of 2 local 'breakers' chatting on S20:
M3*** M3** are you there ****!!..
Just put the kettle on...
Shall I call you in a while!!..
Only be a minute...
Shall I find one!!..
Called you earlier - picked up the wrong mic then...ha ha ha...
Been down town - you wanna try ***!!..
See ya there...
The only time I make chit chat on S20 is if I'm trying to find out where a
mobile station is and if it's worth QSYing to a simplex channel or a
repeater!!..last night we moved to 6m...actually worked a treat...the mobile
station has 100w on 6m and only 50w on 2m...still struggled when he was the
opposite side of Dudley from here...
>
>>
> yes, the world is going downhill, but do you want amateur radio to go
> downhill as fast or do you want to try (note try) and at least slow
> down the eventual drop into anarchy ?
If you lived local to me you would realise that anarchy on the amateur bands
is already here...
>
>>
> and never swear on amateur radio.
>
Never say never...
must be why they gave that pillock John GM0BLX ...........
The worst ones for that around here seen to be G3's who can't seem to
remember that they are not on 80m, and should QSY once they have made
contact.
Jeff
"Paul Starship" <p.bl...@google-nospam-email.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> This house finds it unacceptable to use the word 'Bo**ocks'
> on 80m at any time of day or night.
>
> Discuss.
>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/11/ireland-public-sector-pay-cuts
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The correct CW abbreviation is "FO" or more commonly "FU" ,which is
more rhythmic. No-one sends it in full.
HTH Brian
--
Brian Howie
I'm more concerned about your country man (dear old Gordon) giving away
ANOTHER �1.5b in aid based on dodgy science in the same week that his next
door neighbour is cutting jobs in the UK.
To quote Spike, you couldn't make it up.
As regards Ireland, I hope it means prices will come down there in time for
my planned visit in 2010.
> As regards Ireland, I hope it means prices will come down there in time
> for my planned visit in 2010.
>
>
I think they are in a lot of fecking trouble and I am cashing in my "Irish"
British post office ISA just as soon as I can be bothered writing to them
........
--
;-)
..
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
>Back to my first point, "FU" or even "FO" are quicker to send than "BLX".
But they risk getting the reply of "4Q2"....
--
from
Aero Spike
Not a member of the RSGB for 50 years 1959 - 2009
But the two terms aren't interchangeable...