>I had not seen this before:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/ls5ewm
>
>:-)
>
>Pure muck-raking, of course.
>(Although it contains numerous inaccuracies)
>
>73 de G3NYY
That web site and this newsgroup are close companions.
Commercial equipment + Easy licensing + Brain-dead operators = end of
amateur radio
RIP
Looks like it was written by a historian who wasn't there
Steve Terry
So when (and why) did the original GB3SL go off the air then? GB3SL is
currently the call of the Kilsyth 6m FM repeater.
Found it...
>I had not seen this before:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/ls5ewm
>
>:-)
>
>Pure muck-raking, of course.
>(Although it contains numerous inaccuracies)
>
>73 de G3NY
He's got one bit right.
"Most radio hams have a 'hang-up' about something or another. If you
can find that hang-up, it's usually fairly easy to get them worked-up
about it. This then can turn into a slanging match and is great fun to
argue using the devils advocate approach. You'll see how quickly they
can lose their temper."
True! EVERYONE has something about Amateur Radio they are dead against.
Many on this group have several!
WTF do you need a repeater on 6m ? I wept.
GM4DIJ
--
Brian Howie
It's so you can connect them to Echolink, eQso and the IRLP
internet radio linking project, so you can "Mirror" them crossband
and internationally
You'll be saying sumit stoopid like you don't want to IRLP from your
local 6m repeater to somewhere like a New Zealand 70cm repeater,
with breakers on the side sliding in on Echolink and eQSO from their
laptops!
Some people are never pleased!
Steve Terry
Funny, internet links are illegal on CB are they not? They may have
changed things, but last time I looked, internet linking of a CB radio
was against the rules...
>
> I don't have any vacancies for deputy at the moment, but I'll put you
> on the waiting list.
Not even in an unpaid capacity, just like the rest of us, Me Lord?
tox
Be careful Walt.
A certain GM6 will be along any minute to demand you provide proof !!
like why you don't get a mention ? .........
No one has a clue what you're taking about as, yet again, you've left no
part of the previous posting.
The only thing we know is that it MAY relate to one of the 119 previous
posts made by Walt this month. It MAY even have a vague connection to
the title of the posting and be connected with a history of London
Repeaters.
Len GM0ONX
Medicine.
never...Doctors aren't allowed to be grossly morbidly obese ....shirley ?
....
Well then get yourself a decent newsreader that puts them in ordnung.
>In message <4a42369...@news.albasani.net>, star...@invalid.invalid
>writes
>>A certain GM6 will be along any minute to demand you provide proof !!
>Is there any chance that you could make a habit of leaving the relevant
>bits of the previous post intact? In that way we might have some idea
>what you are referring to.
Is anyone really interested in what he's referring to?
--
from
Aero Spike
Not a member of RAOTA for 28 years 1981 - 2009
Not a member of the RSGB for 50 years 1959 - 2009
I'm always interested.
--
Ian
> I see a letter in the Telegraph today from your friend "Dr. Rob
> Mannion".
>
> :-)
..he doesn't like DAB radio .......good man .....
It a bit more than just that I'm afraid but here's not the place to discuss.
Len GM0ONX
You mean one with a speel chucker!
Ornung!
Good point, well presented!
For it's humour value?
He is trying to level the field. He never seems to have the remotest idea
what he is talking about so doesn't want anyone else to ;-)
I'm still at a loss understand his problem with the word blanket and why he
keeps introducing Asperger's into threads and then complains that someone
else has used the word less that he has.
There must be a PhD in there for someone.
--
73
Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk
so if 446 is, i cant see any reason why Ofcom would stop VOIP on 27
Steve Terry
go on go on...he may print your callsign in PW and asking readers how he can
contact you....you couldn't make it up.......
but brian would say that I was.......
Can you keep a secret?
This will help.
no ........
I can! :-)
Steve Terry
Can i have my PhD now, thank you very much
Steve Terry
>No not Ornung! He said ordnung.
Yes...its the GERMAN for TIDY or ARRANGED
Steve Terry
It allows him to confabulate anything he wants. Don't confuse
confabulation, where the confabulator may actually believe what he
says/writes, with simple lies, where the liar knows full well he is making
it up.
To confabulate, the culprit could, in the context of newsgroup, claim he'd
been insulted or offended by the use of normal terms and wording or simple
questions. For example, the work blanket seems to cause some problems to
starship (and zap in the past, a coincidence I'm sure ;-) ). Likewise, by
"seeding" words (eg Aspergers) which may the get "picked up" in quoting, the
culprit becomes confused as to who wrote what.
Interestingly, if you look at some behaviours associated with Aspergers, you
could think that suffers actually believe their behaviour is "normal" or at
least justified by what they think has happened to them. Is this not a form
of confabulation?
>I know a couple of lads who are both diagnosed as Aspergers sufferers.
>They are both logical to the nth degree, the one thing they never do is
>make things up. They would make very good witnesses....
Something that many on this group seem to ignore when using the term in a
disparaging manner. Kind of cherry picking their use of facts.
Sound familiar?
--
Pete
profbrown963ATyahoo.co.uk
It is an interesting point. Since CB went licence free the only stated
requirement is that equipment must meet the relevant Interface Requirement.
All of the other conditions that were in the CB licence seem to have lapsed.
Jeff
I can't have it then .........
Well you believe wrong. As long as it is not for any commercial purpose and
uses unmodified equipment it is legal.
Jeff
>
> That web site and this newsgroup are close companions.
>
> Commercial equipment + Easy licensing + Brain-dead operators = end of
> amateur radio
>
> RIP
>
You are a little ray of sunshine!
Steve Terry
One feature of Aspergers is the inability to interpret things. For example.
A "normal" pupil, if told to stop talking when he was perhaps interrupting a
class, would either ignore the instruction or comply with it but would
still, for example, answer a question put to him. An Aspergers sufferer
could well refuse to answer questions and, if asked why give a "version"
which suggested he was only following instructions (when he decided to speak
again). He could well then compose a perfectly logical (to him)
interpretation to justify his actions. This is, often, the greatest
challenge in teaching Aspergers sufferers- ensuring that instructions are
clear to the nth degree. Even suggesting that homework could be done at
lunch time or anywhere other than at home can be an issue.
Likewise, a casual remark made to an Aspergers sufferer (of the type which
would be ignored by a non-sufferer) could cause considerable distress even
to the point of leading to a violent response. This tends to lead to the
social problems sufferers have with peers.
Like most of these things, there are degrees of seriousness and not everyone
displays every trait.
I'm not entirely convinced that the current trend to labelling sufferers
with "syndromes" is a good idea. I'm sure there are extreme cases of many
"syndromes" which warrant a special label (and attention) but equally
sometimes the symptoms are what, at one time, would have been simply bad
behaviour or, in things like dyslexia, required suitable remedial teaching.
Either way, those who display the symptoms need help to overcome them or
things will simply get worse. If the problems are learning related, the
sufferer won't magically "catch up" in adult life and may well end up at the
low end of the employment "food chain". Equally, it the problems have a
social interaction slant, sufferers will continue to have problems in adult
life and, in some cases, this will result in mental health problems (I
mentioned some research on this several months back- as I recall it was a
Canadian Uni. report).
are these the people who when they see a fire escape door with a pushbar
that says "Push to open" ...they have to do it? ......
>I know a couple of lads who are both diagnosed as Aspergers sufferers.
>They are both logical to the nth degree, the one thing they never do is
>make things up. They would make very good witnesses....
Do you realise that by posting the above
that you have have just exposed Mr Reay ?
>One feature of Aspergers is the inability to interpret things. For example.
Are you talking from a position of authority on this or are you just
spewing up stuff form one of your recent visited websites ?
You were asked before to state your medical qualifications and and so
far you have not done so.
>A "normal" pupil, if told to stop talking when he was perhaps interrupting a
You! talk about ''normal'' ?
In the UK, qualified teachers are required to be aware of thing like
Aspergers, their symptoms, impact on learning and the learning environment,
strategies to overcome problems etc. It is a legal requirement that this is
so- see the 2001 Act, I'm sure you could find it on the net. Were it
discovered, for example in an OFSTED inspection, that a school or teacher
had failed to follow the required procedures (inc. refresher training of
staff, ensuring that staff know of SEN status and agreed strategies etc.)
they would "have a problem". The classroom teacher will often be the first
to recognise a pattern of behaviour which may indicate the presence of such
a syndrome. They would then feed their concerns into the system for a more
detailed review to be initiated. The classroom teacher is in the "front row"
in dealing such things.
If you take the trouble to visit some websites (or may be enquire elsewhere)
you will see nothing I have ever posted on the topic of Aspergers is at
variance with current thinking on the matter.
Moreover, I'm involved in some research which, while not directly related to
Aspergers, falls within the SEN spectrum and thus has some common strands.
Plus, I try to keep abreast of latest thinking / research associated with my
profession.
So, yes I claim some authoritive knowledge of the topic.
Would you care to enlighten us on your expertise in the area of Aspergers,
after all you raised the topic recently and seem to mention it a lot in your
posts.
VOX.
><star...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>news:4a43b4d...@news.albasani.net...
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:21:49 +0100, "Brian Reay" <s...@website.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>One feature of Aspergers is the inability to interpret things. For
>>>example.
>> Are you talking from a position of authority on this or are you just
>> spewing up stuff form one of your recent visited websites ?
>
>In the UK, qualified teachers are required to be aware of thing like
I asked you to state your medical qualifications.
Not according to Ofcom:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/business_radio/information/ofw57/
"You may use the following accessories with PMR 446 :
* external microphones, including VOX type microphones;
* earphones, headphones and external loudspeakers; and
* DC power sockets, charge sockets and battery packs."
I see no mention of a computer interface there.
"You may only use PMR446 for the purposes described in The Wireless
Telegraphy Exemption Regulations and IR 2009. You may not, for example,
connect PMR 446 radios to the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN)
or other telephone networks for business purposes, or make your PMR446
equipment available for remote access (gateway), or to link to other
types of radio services, or operate a Node or Repeater."
That is how our grandchild was certificated with Aspergers and got the
help he needs. The school were very good. No quacks or hospitals
involved. Unlike the school our other grandchild attends. That school
has just been placed in special measures. Whatever that means. The
Headmistress has been given the order of the boot and no one seems to
know WTF is happening or what happens next. Our son and daughter-in-law
are distraught.
Balls Up Britain.
Vince.
they should just give thema clip around the ear...problem solved...didn't
harm me....twitch
GM4DHJ
Damaged with issues........
> That is how our grandchild was certificated with Aspergers and got the
> help he needs. The school were very good. No quacks or hospitals involved.
> Unlike the school our other grandchild attends. That school has just been
> placed in special measures. Whatever that means. The Headmistress has been
> given the order of the boot and no one seems to know WTF is happening or
> what happens next. Our son and daughter-in-law are distraught.
>
Special Measures means the school has been judged inadequate by OFSTED
following an inspection. I'm pretty sure the process is invoked after a
failure to respond to a notice to improve from a previous inspection.
A letter should have been sent to parents reporting the details and the
plans to recover the situation.
Generally the Head and Governors are removed (or resign) and an interim
Head is appointed. There is a scheme whereby the school is linked to an
appointed National Support School- these are flagship schools judged
consistently as Outstanding (the top rung on the OFSTED scale of
Outstanding, Good, Satisfactory, Inadequate). The support school offers a
range of support- eg school management expertise, teaching expertise,
........to get the failing school up and running. Extra money (often from
things like academy schemes) are made available - this goes to training,
extra payments to attract good staff (a school on the road to special
measures typically has staff shortages), etc.
After things improve, the special measures order is lifted and (hopefully)
things continue to improve. Schools at this end of the scale are subjected
to more intense inspections until they get to the Good or Outstanding end of
the scale.
The OFSTED report isn't secret so your son and d-i-l can read it- often via
a link on the school website. There is an overall grade (OGSI- as above) and
a more detailed break down on the same scale.
The letter to parents is generally there as well. ("Letters home" sent via
pupils don't always make it.)
Without wishing to be trite, the problems at the school are now being
addressed so the worst is, hopefully, over. There will probably be some
obvious changes soon- things like tougher enforcement of uniform rules,
which may seem unimportant but the idea is to engender a sense of change.
Why not ask OFCOM? From past experience, this type of thing goes to and fro,
lucifer claims some inside expertise, Walt does the same, and no one agrees
in the end. Someone quotes a �350 law book and an out of work airplane
cleaner will wade in.
Totally pointless.
I think you mean "Statemented".
>From past experience, this type of thing goes to and fro,
>lucifer claims some inside expertise, Walt does the same, and no one agrees
>in the end. Someone quotes a �350 law book and an out of work airplane
>cleaner will wade in.
Acerbic wit, Brian? Not your usual style.....
--
from
Aero Spike
Not a member of RAOTA for 28 years 1981 - 2009
Not a member of the RSGB for 50 years 1959 - 2009
>
>Why not ask OFCOM?
Because its those who ask Ofcom, "Can I do this?", and "Can I do that"
who cause previously "blurred" boundaries to be defined. With Ofcom,
(an administration severely lacking in understanding of the subject
matter) the answer will always tend towards the restrictive. ie. "No".
I certainly don't advocate a cavalier attitude to all rule and
regulation, but some areas are vague, and best left that way.
--
73, Chris
G4FZN
This approach to dealing with bureaucracies is of such fundamental
importance the posting above should be posted every week, and headline
any FAQ that might appear.
For the unaware, the Amateur Licence went from a couple of pages of
sensible rules badly-typed on A4 paper to the monstrosity of BR68
with its Notes, Schedules, and Notes to the Schedules [1], simply
because of those who asked for 'clarification'.
Leave well alone, and enjoy Amateur Radio as is.
[1] At one time, the Notes were for guidance, then were compulsory,
then became guidance again. The NATO phonetic alphabet almost became
mandatory as a result of this.
Möglicherweise es gibt eine Ente auf seinem Kopf!
[pratchett reference]
>strategies to overcome problems etc. It is a legal requirement that this is
>so- see the 2001 Act, I'm sure you could find it on the net. Were it
>discovered, for example in an OFSTED inspection, that a school or teacher
>had failed to follow the required procedures (inc. refresher training of
>staff, ensuring that staff know of SEN status and agreed strategies etc.)
>they would "have a problem". The classroom teacher will often be the first
>to recognise a pattern of behaviour which may indicate the presence of such
>a syndrome. They would then feed their concerns into the system for a more
>detailed review to be initiated. The classroom teacher is in the "front row"
>in dealing such things.
>
>If you take the trouble to visit some websites (or may be enquire elsewhere)
>you will see nothing I have ever posted on the topic of Aspergers is at
>variance with current thinking on the matter.
>
>Moreover, I'm involved in some research which, while not directly related to
>Aspergers, falls within the SEN spectrum and thus has some common strands.
>Plus, I try to keep abreast of latest thinking / research associated with my
>profession.
>
>So, yes I claim some authoritive knowledge of the topic.
You have no qualifications in the subject.
You have some training. which you probably got by sitting in a room
for afew hours listening to someone.
A classic example of ''a little knowledge is a dangerous thing''
>I asked you to state your medical qualifications.
Over 24hrs and still no direct reply ...
... but in another posting more waffle.
A somewhat misleading summay of the current position, which is explained in
this email to, and reply from, the RA:
"Dear Sir / Madam.
I should like to bring to your attention the following web site, which
appears to be inviting members of the public to misuse PMR446 specification
radio
equipment by connecting it to a computer, thus providing internet linked
repeater facilities.
As the terms and conditions of the PMR446 license expressly forbid
connecting the radio to the PSTN, they must be in breach of the PMR446
allowable use
regulations, or at the very least bending them."
"Thank you for your e-mail.
I am advised that the original license exemption regulations (the means by
which license exempt status is confirmed) did not permit PMR 446 to be
connected to the PSTN.
However, these regulations have been superceded by Interface Requirement
2009 which carries no such restriction. Consequently, PMR 446 connection to
the PSTN does not constitute a breach of regulations.
Sincerely,
Jason Simons
Private Business Systems Unit
Radiocommunications Agency"
73
Jeff
Radiocommunications Agency?
>Why not ask OFCOM? From past experience, this type of thing goes to and fro,
>lucifer claims some inside expertise, Walt does the same, and no one agrees
>in the end. Someone quotes a �350 law book and an out of work airplane
>cleaner will wade in.
Being retired with not much to do I've spent a few hours looking at
your claims. I've googled loads of postings made by lucifer and Walt
but not found any of them claiming any "inside expertise"
I have found Lucifer claiming to be a Civil Servant or as he said an
Un-Civil Servant and Walt mentioned working in Science museum and as a
band roadie. but Neither of them mention having a �350 law book or
being unemployed plane cleaners.
Also found lots of post,s made by you and claiming all sort of
expertise yet you seem to be just a junior school teacher and going by
the adverts on the telly the goverment recruits most teachers from the
ranks of unemployed so how were you unemployed if you have all the
expertise your forever claiming ?
>Totally pointless.
You do seem to be.
Manson
Brian has a way of talking authoritatively on a range of subjects he
knows bugger all about. His best mate is the google tool bar.
7077
"Chris Kirby" <g4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ivn8451bpp2a5gqcc...@4ax.com...
Fair comment, until someone comes along and insists they know best.
Yep, it's been that long, at least the RA knew what they were talking about.
Jeff
How can someone have an email from the Radiocommunications Agency in 2009?
He's treating you with the contempt you deserve. You don't get to demand
anything on here!
>On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:49:23 -0700 (PDT), Catweazel
><francis...@iee.org> wrote:
>
>>[pratchett reference]
>
>What is a pratchett?
>
>73 de G3NYY
An M3 when used as an axe.
...and sadly an Alzheimer's sufferer.
I've never been a fan of his books but his story featured on the radio some
time back and he came across as very decent and brave man.
>
> I've never been a fan of his books but his story featured on the radio
> some time back and he came across as very decent and brave man.
>
I liked his Cheery Littlebottom........
Thank you.
Vince.
Vince.
Don't be dense, the complaint and the response were sent some time ago
before Ofcom took over, however the legislation and the IR have not changed
since.
That is why there are still 446 gateways running, some of whom have had
visits from Ofcom to check that compliant equipment was in use. Apparently
in one case Ofcom in their wisdom decided that a handheld without batteries
running from a mains charger was not compliant. Put batteries in and it was
OK!!
Jeff