Embra....
Des Kinvig
.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8132642.stm
Des Kinvig
> If it had been Glesga or Paisley, the neds would have broken into the
> flat years ago.
>
> 73 de Wlat
>
I remember visiting an old wumin who had some alterations done in a flat in
Love St Paisley she didn't look well... six months later she was found dead
in that flat .... sad
Spike
Walt Davidson wrote:
>On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:36:51 GMT, "Des Kinvig"
><kinvig...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>So you can die there and not be found for five years ! ... friendly place
>>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8132642.stm
>
>If it had been Glesga or Paisley, the neds would have broken into the
>flat years ago.
>
>73 de Wlat
Thank goodness Scotland is a far-off country of which we know little.
--
from
Aero Spike
Not a member of RAOTA for 28 years 1981 - 2009
Not a member of the RSGB for 50 years 1959 - 2009
Brian Reay
"Spike" <Aero.Spike@S&T.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> Thank goodness Scotland is a far-off country of which we know little.
That doesn't stop us from having to cough up to support them or having to
put up with the likes of Gordon Brown.
--
73
Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk
Des Kinvig
> Thank goodness Scotland is a far-off country of which we know little.
And thank you all down south for supporting us wasters.....too kind......
Len GM0ONX
We've been subsidising you lot since the seventies and don't you forget
it. Without Scotland oil you'd be bankrupt theme park for Americans.
Dave
> "Spike" <Aero.Spike@S&T.invalid> wrote in message
> news:rh1u45l93asoeu9ef...@4ax.com...
> >
>> Thank goodness Scotland is a far-off country of which we know little.
>
> That doesn't stop us from having to cough up to support them or having to
> put up with the likes of Gordon Brown.
We could be calling him Sir, or Lord Gordon Brown quite soon :-((
Dave
Len GM0ONX
> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:50:51 +0100
> Len GM0ONX <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote:
>
>> We've been subsidising you lot since the seventies and don't you forget
>> it. Without Scotland oil you'd be bankrupt theme park for Americans.
>
>
What makes you doubt?
Custos Custodum
news:s36v455ojh42mq3pt...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:56:21 +0100, Len GM0ONX
> <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Len GM0ONX <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We've been subsidising you lot since the seventies and don't you
>>>> forget it. Without Scotland oil you'd be bankrupt theme park for
>>>> Americans.
>>>
>>> And what makes you think the oil belongs to the Scots?
>>>
>>
>>What makes you doubt?
>
> It is in International Waters.
>
> 73 de Wlat
>
It's under the sea bed, actually, which means that it is covered by
entirely different international treaties. Most of the oilfields would fall
under the jurisdiction of an independent Scotland.
Len GM0ONX
> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:56:21 +0100, Len GM0ONX
> <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> We've been subsidising you lot since the seventies and don't you forget
>>>> it. Without Scotland oil you'd be bankrupt theme park for Americans.
>>> And what makes you think the oil belongs to the Scots?
>>>
>> What makes you doubt?
>
>
> 73 de Wlat
>
That only applies to what floats on it not below it!
Len GM0ONX
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:11:24 +0000 (UTC), Custos Custodum
> <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> It's under the sea bed, actually, which means that it is covered by
>> entirely different international treaties. Most of the oilfields would fall
>> under the jurisdiction of an independent Scotland.
>
>
> 73 de Wlat
>
Yet! The next Tory government will decide that.I'm not pro independence
but any government like Maggie Thatcher's will do more damage to the
Union than the SNP could ever do.
Len GM0ONX
Custos Custodum
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:11:24 +0000 (UTC), Custos Custodum
> <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>It's under the sea bed, actually, which means that it is covered by
>>entirely different international treaties. Most of the oilfields would
>>fall under the jurisdiction of an independent Scotland.
>
> But Scotland is not independent.
>
> 73 de Wlat
>
Indeed, which is why it is nonsense for all the 'Little Englanders' to
speak of 'subsidising' Scotland. They can't have it both ways.
Len GM0ONX
>
> You have to remember where it came from...
> Many hundreds of thousands of years of Scottish chip-shops, dumping
> oil contaminated by too many deep-fried Mars Bars, over any convenient
> bit of waste land.
>
> It stands to reason it's going to seep through the soil and end up
> somewhere.
>
> Nick.
If we knew then what we know now we'd have stored it above ground. Its
cheaper to get at it that way after all!
Yeti
> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:50:51 +0100
> Len GM0ONX <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote:
>
>> it. Without Scotland oil you'd be bankrupt theme park for Americans.
>
>
Yeti
> cleared, have extra money from the Treasury and be over-represented in
> the UK parliament. Scotland had it it's own way for 300 years, and it's
> time that things were put back to a more sensible basis. It isn't the
> 18th century any more.
>
What makes you think that Scotland is over-represented?
Yeti
> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:35:55 +0100> Roughly 5 million people, 82 MPs or so.
>
> England, roughly 56 million people, far less than 900 MPs.
>
> --
>
> Brian Morrison
>
> bdm at fenrir dot org dot uk
>
> "Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in the mud;
> after a while you realize you are muddy and the pig is enjoying it."
>
> GnuPG key ID DE32E5C5 -http://wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net/pgpnet/wwwkeys.html
That's because you don't get an MP for each group of people (fixed
number) - you get one for each area.
As England is more dense than Scotland, that's how it works out.
Notice you didn't bring Wales into it - I suspect using your faulty
calculations, Wales will be eve more 'over-represented' than Scotland.
Brian Reay
"Yeti" <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote in message
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>That's because you don't get an MP for each group of people (fixed
>number) - you get one for each area.
Funny, I thought the idea was that MPs where there to represent people not
hectares (when, that is, they aren't fiddling expenses).
Now Scotland (and Wales and NI) have their own local versions of Parliament,
they should have far less influence on the greater UK. They should not get
extra funds from England. The current set up is totally unfair and wasteful.
Jim GM4DHJ/M
> Parliament, they should have far less influence on the greater UK. They
> should not get extra funds from England. The current set up is totally
> unfair and wasteful.
>
> Brian G8OSN/M3OSN
>
but we like you english to pay for everything............just a pity you
ruined the hobby in revenge.......
Yeti
> Now Scotland (and Wales and NI) have their own local versions of Parliament,
> they should have far less influence on the greater UK. They should not get
> extra funds from England. The current set up is totally unfair and wasteful.
Trouble is, while Westminster maintains control of certain aspects of
Scots (and Welsh and NI) law and decision making, it's not possible to
remove Scots MPs from Westminster.
Len GM0ONX
> on purely English questions. West Lothian and all that....
>
No they shouldn't. You should have your own assembly for purely English
Matters and leave Westminster MPs for UK matters.
Yeti
> on purely English questions. West Lothian and all that....
>
Cuts both ways you know.
Brian Reay
Given that their tax paying constituents are funding Scotland, yes.
It seems the Scots want the best of both worlds and the English to pay for
it. I'm more than happy for the Union to be ended, just take back Gordon
Brown and don't expect us to bail you out again.
Yeti
You didn't bail us out - you invaded us.
Len GM0ONX
.
>
> It seems the Scots want the best of both worlds and the English to pay for
> it. I'm more than happy for the Union to be ended, just take back Gordon
> Brown and don't expect us to bail you out again.
>
> --
> 73
> Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
> www.g8osn.org.uk
>
>
>
Brian do you deliberately seek to make yourself completely alien to
everyone on this NG with your ill considered statements.
Your repeated anti-Scottish statements are hardly appropriate for
someone who represents the NATIONAL radio society of this country at
Board level and adds to the inaccurate belief that it no more than the
London Wireless Society with a new name.
I had thought better of you.
Len GM0ONX
Brian Reay
>>
> Typical little Englander - only sees things from his side of Hadrian's
> Wall.
Hadrian's Wall! I assume that neither History nor Geography are a subject
you've studied.
>
> You didn't bail us out - you invaded us.
You may like to research the "union of the crowns" and the "union of
parliaments" and rethink that. In particular, the dire economics of Scotland
prior to the latter. Look up the Darian Scheme.
--
73
Brian G8OSN / W8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk
DieSea
"Len GM0ONX" <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote in message
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Don't know about that Len
It goes to prove a point though
In the words of Terry Thomas
THE hierarchy of YOUR National Society are a "TOTAL SHOWER"
And that's being polite
DieSea
Brian Reay
"Len GM0ONX" <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Brian do you deliberately seek to make yourself completely alien to
> everyone on this NG with your ill considered statements.
>
> Your repeated anti-Scottish statements are hardly appropriate for someone
> who represents the NATIONAL radio society of this country at Board level
> and adds to the inaccurate belief that it no more than the London Wireless
> Society with a new name.
>
I'm not suggesting that we should "dump" Scotland, simply that, if the Scots
wish to part company they should be free to do so.
I don't regard that as alienating anyone- if someone wishes to end a
relationship, let them go. Surely that is the right thing to do. However,
having made their (free) choice, they are on their own.
Len GM0ONX
Well it may not be your intention but alienating is exactly what you've
done. Exactly how did you think the statement "just take back Gordon
Brown and don't expect us to bail you out again" was going to be taken.
Before saying more on the subject consider this,
1) Gordon Brown regardless what you think of him (and I am not a fan),
is the Prime Minister of the UK. His appointment as a PM is no different
to how John Major was pointed in the first instance. Major didn't go
straight to the polls. Rightly or wrongly its how we've elected PM's for
generations. The fact he is a Scot is not an issue, the fact he's a
useless PM is.
There his no issue in Scotland (apart from a few loonies) with the PM
being English so why should two Scots in a row be a problem with some
English voters. How many of the previous PMs were English with not one
word of complaint from Scotland about their nationality. Their politics
yes, especially Maggie's.
2) A SNP vote in Scotland is often an anti Labour vote. We don't do Tory
here after what they did to the country in the 80's.
3) The majority of votes in the Scottish Parliament and Scottish votes
to the UK parliament are for pro Union parties. Opinion polls show were
are quite happy with devolved government and the Union. See the BBC poll
last week and others.
4) If you want to look at subsidising, look at the south of England with
large numbers of jobs unnecessarily centralised in the greater London
area and paid for by the rest of the UK tax payers. I'm surprised the
Northern and Central English have put up with it for so long. Time they
had more say in their affairs and looked after them locally as we do.
5) Never under estimate the power of an ill considered comment by an
Englishman to bring out nationalistic comments from a Scot, particularly
when he can't even be bothered to get the name of his nationality right.
Len GM0ONX.
Brian Reay
> Before saying more on the subject consider this,
>
> 1) Gordon Brown regardless what you think of him (and I am not a fan), is
> the Prime Minister of the UK. His appointment as a PM is no different to
> how John Major was pointed in the first instance. Major didn't go straight
> to the polls. Rightly or wrongly its how we've elected PM's for
> generations. The fact he is a Scot is not an issue, the fact he's a
> useless PM is.
It is obvious why you are upset, you don't want him back to ru(i)n Scotland.
As for the rest Len, there was nothing anti-Scot in what I posted and I
really suggest you lay down.
If it makes you feel any better, if it were (say) the NE of England wanting
to be independent, I'd say exactly the same.
--
73
Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
www.g8osn.org.k
Jim GM4DHJ/M
>
> You may like to research the "union of the crowns" and the "union of
> parliaments" and rethink that. In particular, the dire economics of
> Scotland prior to the latter. Look up the Darian Scheme.
>
> 73
> Brian G8OSN / M3OSN
>
>
i think they should build a car factory at Linwood .......
Jim GM4DHJ/M
> Brian do you deliberately seek to make yourself completely alien to
> everyone on this NG with your ill considered statements.
>
> Your repeated anti-Scottish statements are hardly appropriate for someone
> who represents the NATIONAL radio society of this country at Board level
> and adds to the inaccurate belief that it no more than the London Wireless
> Society with a new name.
>
> I had thought better of you.
>
> Len GM0ONX
I didn't ..... but you know that ........
Len GM0ONX
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:09:42 +0100, Len GM0ONX
> <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote:
>
>> 1) Gordon Brown regardless what you think of him (and I am not a fan),
>> is the Prime Minister of the UK. His appointment as a PM is no different
>> to how John Major was pointed in the first instance.
>
>
> Nick.
I didn't mind John Major so much. By the way when are you going to
recall Maggie, I saw a documentary on her last night and I thought she
had died. Talk about being disappointed!!
Jim GM4DHJ/M
> Brian do you deliberately seek to make yourself completely alien to
> everyone on this NG with your ill considered statements.
>
Woo hoo RSGB bounce up!
Steve Terry
news:sah1559uketeck628...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:50:38 +0100, Yeti <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote:
>
>>You didn't bail us out - you invaded us.
>
> Nick.
>
By invading them, that's what the Brits did well. The best you
can argue is that all the places invaded and run by the Brits
they kept law and order and local tribes from killing each other,
therefore providing the environment for prosperity.
Including the Scotchmen
I certainly felt that in Hong Kong, when they find out you are British
they either love you for providing the environment for prosperity,
or they hate and blame you for the boxer rising downwards
There's no in-between.
Steve Terry
Len GM0ONX
Unlikely as he'll be Lord Brown after the next election. As for
ru(i)ning Scotland, the Tories have a better track record for that
Gordon Brown and the Labour party.
>
> As for the rest Len, there was nothing anti-Scot in what I posted >
I don't think anyone from Scotland would agree with you.
>and I really suggest you lay down.
>
No thank you, I'm fully rested, like yourself I gave up actual hard work
a long time ago.
> If it makes you feel any better, if it were (say) the NE of England wanting
> to be independent, I'd say exactly the same.
I wonder if Kent had been devastated economically to the same extent as
the North of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland and you were
personally affected, if you would have the same views. We can't all be
teachers (or for that matter Local Government Officers) and be immune
from the economic realities of the rest of the country.
>
> --
> 73
> Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
> www.g8osn.org.k
>
>
Len GM0ONX
Floating voter and proud of it.
Steve Terry
<luc...@eternal-flames.gov> wrote in message
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>>is the Prime Minister of the UK. His appointment as a PM is no different
>>to how John Major was pointed in the first instance.
>
> Nick.
>
>
What I'd like to know is how did the press miss that one, if their
liaison had been revealed in time he couldn't have won his re-election
Steve Terry
Len GM0ONX
Yep, I did. :-)
Len GM0ONX
Thought you'd enjoy that but strictly speaking its not an RSGB bounce up
as neither of use represent the RSGB on this NG.
Jim GM4DHJ/M
> Floating voter and proud of it.
as long as you are not just a "floater" like brian you are fine ......
Steve Terry
> Brian Reay wrote:
> .
>> It seems the Scots want the best of both worlds and the English to pay
>> for it. I'm more than happy for the Union to be ended, just take back
>> Gordon Brown and don't expect us to bail you out again.
>> Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
>> www.g8osn.org.uk
>
<snip>
> I had thought better of you.
> Len GM0ONX
>
>
would / could believe better of Brian.
Steve Terry
Len GM0ONX
I prefer not to think ill of people Steve, call it a character flaw! :-)
Len GM0ONX
Jim GM4DHJ/M
>> Woo hoo RSGB bounce up!
>>
>>
>
> Thought you'd enjoy that but strictly speaking its not an RSGB bounce up
> as neither of use represent the RSGB on this NG.
yes, whatever you say .......
Steve Terry
>
>
Nor the majority of Radio Amateurs either, so that's fair enough
Steve Terry
Steve Terry
by men in white coats sticking needles in your arm!
Steve Terry
Yeti
Why not just sell someone 4 tyres and a bag of rust and cut 10 years of
unreliable motoring out of the middle? :P
Len GM0ONX
That's Longbridge you're thinking of. Just a though, may by not, most
British Leyland cars would rust long before 10 years!
Yeti
Later Rovers were much better - I must have made thousands of pounds
doing K series head gaskets and cluthes. Can almost do them blindfolded now.
Steve Terry
"Yeti" <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote in message
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Steve Terry
Steve Terry
look how many 1988 to 1995 Honda Rover 214 / 216 made at
longbridge are still on the road
and how few 1984 to 1988 mk1 213 / 216's which wern't
Steve Terry
Steve Terry
K series used in the 214 was under developed, it should never have gone
into production with the number 1 cylinder gasket problem.
Steve Terry
.
Yeti
MLS type ones, and yet to have one failed again.
All the mechanicals on them were Honda - it's just a Concerto in a frock.
The Rover engines were great provided it never leaked a drop of water...
Steve Terry
> Steve Terry wrote:
>> "Yeti" <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote in message
>> news:h2qnk9$pfn$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> The head gasket was totally inadequate for the purpose - I now fit the MLS
> type ones, and yet to have one failed again.
>
> All the mechanicals on them were Honda - it's just a Concerto in a frock.
>
>
Honda engine management, Japanese alternator, and starter motor, etc.
Much like a Civic
the 214 that looked the same had a Rover K series engine, Peugeot manual
gearbox, someone else's EFI, Motorola engine management, and Lucas
alternator and starter motor.
the 214 was a dogs dinner of 2nd rate parts that the 216 auto wasn't.
I had a 216 auto and as you say it was a Concerto in a frock,
lovely reliable car
If you gave me a 214 i would push it to a breakers
Steve Terry
Brian Reay
> Brian Rea wrote:
>> "Len GM0ONX" <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote in message It is obvious
>> why you are upset, you don't want him back to ru(i)n Scotland.
>
> Unlikely as he'll be Lord Brown after the next election. As for ru(i)ning
> Scotland, the Tories have a better track record for that Gordon Brown and
> the Labour party.
Scotland, like the rest of the UK, did just fine under Maggie. A major
period of prosperity of the sort many would be glad to see again.
>> As for the rest Len, there was nothing anti-Scot in what I posted >
>
>
> I don't think anyone from Scotland would agree with you.
>
>>and I really suggest you lay down.
>>
> No thank you, I'm fully rested, like yourself I gave up actual hard work a
> long time ago.
>
>
>> If it makes you feel any better, if it were (say) the NE of England
>> wanting to be independent, I'd say exactly the same.
>
> I wonder if Kent had been devastated economically to the same extent as
> the North of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland and you were
> personally affected, if you would have the same views. We can't all be
> teachers (or for that matter Local Government Officers) and be immune from
> the economic realities of the rest of the country.
No one is immune to the ups and downs of the economy but that isn't what
this is about. It is about an area wanting to rule itself, fund various
services etc., but expect the rest of the country to pay for it. If that
were Kent, it wouldn't be anymore right than if it were Wales, Scotland, NI,
or anywhere else.
--
73
Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk
Ken Ward
"Jim GM4DHJ/M" <jim.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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You are an IMP!
KW
Ian Jackson
<s...@website.invalid> writes
>
>
>No one is immune to the ups and downs of the economy but that isn't what
>this is about. It is about an area wanting to rule itself, fund various
>services etc., but expect the rest of the country to pay for it. If that
>were Kent, it wouldn't be anymore right than if it were Wales, Scotland, NI,
>or anywhere else.
>
Personally, I'm dead against the Balkanization of the UK. It's all
essentially a sop to misplaced nostalgia and perverted national pride.
The idea of a totally independent England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales
is just crazy. It's completely at odds with the aims of the EC.
--
Ian
nn...@benison.co.uk
wrote:
>I wonder if Kent had been devastated economically to the same extent as
>the North of England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland and you were
>personally affected, if you would have the same views. We can't all be
>teachers (or for that matter Local Government Officers) and be immune
>from the economic realities of the rest of the country.
It's OK Len heard on the news today that their immunity may be coming to an
end.
A think tank has recommended that a public sector pay freeze would be a
painless way to help the government out of its present predicament.
Any way what happened. Left for the weekend and all was sweetness and light
on here. Come back and the Jacobite rebellion is off again!
BTW Brian just remember the so called Scots that ruined Scotland were english
lords sent north to get them out of the way,
David
Brian Reay
"Ian Jackson" <ianREMOVET...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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I agree. However, if the Scots or the Welsh or NI really want to go, I don't
think we should stop them.
Interestingly that Len and Yeti seemed to object to my saying "If you want
to go, that is fine by me." I could understand it if I was holding a gun to
their head and forcing them to stay.
Len GM0ONX
> Scotland, like the rest of the UK, did just fine under Maggie. A major
> period of prosperity of the sort many would be glad to see again.
>
You cannot be serious, in my town alone under Maggie regime the
following companies closed
Massey Ferguson,
Glenfield and Kennedy,
Saxone Shoes
Thistletex carpets
include various smaller companies and total job losses were about 4,000
jobs went in her first term,
within 12 miles
1000 in Chemical manufacturing
1000 in textiles
4000 in the mining industry
1000 In other computer and electronic manufacturing
Total unemployment over 20% in the area, inflation 25% hardly doing fine!
The trouble with property is that it is OK if like me you have some, but
if you're like my oldest two having just graduated from university a
couple of years ago and still on relatively poor salaries, housing is
totally unaffordable due to over inflated house prices. A house is
meant to be a home, somewhere you live, raise your family and enjoy, not
an investment. Much of today's financial problems can be directly
related to greatly over inflated house prices and money borrowed on the
equity. A fixation with house prices seams to be a peculiarly British
thing and high house prices are not a good thing.
> No one is immune to the ups and downs of the economy but that isn't what
> this is about. It is about an area wanting to rule itself, fund various
> services etc., but expect the rest of the country to pay for it. If that
> were Kent, it wouldn't be anymore right than if it were Wales, Scotland, NI,
> or anywhere else.
>
No its about the ill informed attitude of some people from England. The
majority of Scots are happy with the Union they just wanted to look
after Scottish matters themselves. Something the English should also be
doing for English only matters and not via Westminster. Since 1936 only
two PM's have been Scots hardly over representative but still some go on
about it. If you think you're getting a raw deal you'll have look closer
to home and stop blaming the Scots. Perhaps some of the money from the
Olympics in London would have been better spent on healthcare and
education for the English for instance.
Len GM0ONX
Len GM0ONX
I think of him more as a Sunbeam!
Len GM0ONX
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:26:13 +0100, Len GM0ONX
> <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I didn't mind John Major so much. By the way when are you going to
>> recall Maggie, I saw a documentary on her last night and I thought she
>> had died. Talk about being disappointed!!
>
> I'm not having her down here... She'll only try to take over!
> She's destined for Yorkshire.
>
> Nick.
>
I can see where your coming from! Any chance you can sent Scargill to
the same place, they deserve each other.
Len GM0ONX
>
> It's OK Len heard on the news today that their immunity may be coming to an
> end.
>
> A think tank has recommended that a public sector pay freeze would be a
> painless way to help the government out of its present predicament.
If that's all that happens I'll think myself lucky. :-(
Brian Reay
news:o2s1551u34mmoldao...@4ax.com...
>
> BTW Brian just remember the so called Scots that ruined Scotland were
> english
> lords sent north to get them out of the way,
The thing that ruined Scotland before the Act of Union was the Darian
(mis)adventure. At the time, Scotland had its own Parliament- the Countries
had been linked for around 100 years under one Monarch (when King James of
Scotland inherited the English throne from (I think) QE 1).
Now, unless you are telling me that the Scottish Parliament was appointing
English Lords to do things, I think may be you argument falls.
Brian Reay
"Len GM0ONX" <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote in message
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>If you think you're getting a raw deal you'll have look closer
> to home and stop blaming the Scots.
But I'm not blaming "the Scots" (well other than Gordon in a bit of jest).
>Perhaps some of the money from the Olympics in London would have been
>better spent on healthcare and education for the English for instance.
Gets my vote. Cut the Olympics, Foreign Aid, and EU funding and we could get
somewhere.
Yeti
> "Yeti" <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote in message
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>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>> "Yeti" <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:h2qnk9$pfn$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> <snip>
>> The head gasket was totally inadequate for the purpose - I now fit the MLS
>> type ones, and yet to have one failed again.
>>
>> All the mechanicals on them were Honda - it's just a Concerto in a frock.
>>
>>
> Nope, the 216 auto used Honda D engine, Hondamatic gearbox, Honda EFI,
> Honda engine management, Japanese alternator, and starter motor, etc.
> Much like a Civic
>
> the 214 that looked the same had a Rover K series engine, Peugeot manual
> gearbox, someone else's EFI, Motorola engine management, and Lucas
> alternator and starter motor.
>
Rover engine, Rover gearbox BASED on a Peugeot design, Rover ECU, Lucas
electrics (gads). Worst problem for me on them now is immobiliser
problems - although I've just received new software that lets me remove
the immobiliser totally from all Rovers with the awful Lucas one.
The gearbox is fun too - the teeth are glued (they call it 'bonded')
onto crown wheels!
Seem to have an appetite for driveshafts if drive hard.
Great handling though - I used to take a 216 (manual) round Knockhill on
a regular basis.
Yeti
> "Len GM0ONX" <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote in message
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>> Brian Rea wrote:
>>> "Len GM0ONX" <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote in message It is obvious
>>> why you are upset, you don't want him back to ru(i)n Scotland.
>> Unlikely as he'll be Lord Brown after the next election. As for ru(i)ning
>> Scotland, the Tories have a better track record for that Gordon Brown and
>> the Labour party.
>
> Scotland, like the rest of the UK, did just fine under Maggie. A major
> period of prosperity of the sort many would be glad to see again.
>
You're delusional.
Yeti
> I agree. However, if the Scots or the Welsh or NI really want to go, I don't
> think we should stop them.
> Interestingly that Len and Yeti seemed to object to my saying "If you want
> to go, that is fine by me." I could understand it if I was holding a gun to
> their head and forcing them to stay.
I never objected to that - I'd agree with that. However, the English end
of things refuses to LET us go. Wonder why that is?
Brian Reay
"Len GM0ONX" <gm0...@goooooglemail.com> wrote in message
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> Brian Reay wrote:
>
>> Scotland, like the rest of the UK, did just fine under Maggie. A major
>> period of prosperity of the sort many would be glad to see again.
>>
> You cannot be serious, in my town alone under Maggie regime the following
> companies closed
> Massey Ferguson,
> Glenfield and Kennedy,
> Saxone Shoes
> Thistletex carpets
> include various smaller companies and total job losses were about 4,000
> jobs went in her first term,
>
> within 12 miles
> 1000 in Chemical manufacturing
> 1000 in textiles
> 4000 in the mining industry
> 1000 In other computer and electronic manufacturing
And everyone a tragedy for someone. However, it didn't just happen in
Scotland- before we moved to Kent (in 1982), near on 20000 jobs went in one
closure.
The area essentially had its guts torn out. It happened all over the UK,
some areas worse than others- esp. those with a reliance on "older"
industries.
Truth is that, as a nation, our industries had become un-competitive and all
of us baulked at buying expensive home grown goods when cheaper imports were
available. The situation was simply unsustainable.
Not nice but true.
Our goods are still expensive and we've too many people unwilling to do the
only jobs they are qualified for. So, we import "cheap" labour (who seem to
survive on salaries that locals won't get out of bed for). That cheap labour
does the job, supports itself, and (in many cases) sends the surplus "home".
Likely as not, "home" is in a country we are helping via EU aid!
Brian Reay
"Yeti" <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote in message
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Dunno, may be you should ask Gordon.
Len GM0ONX
>
> Interestingly that Len and Yeti seemed to object to my saying "If you want
> to go, that is fine by me." I could understand it if I was holding a gun to
> their head and forcing them to stay.
>
>
> --
> 73
> Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
> www.g8osn.org.uk
>
>
No Brian you're misrepresenting me. I'm objecting to your statements
including.
>"That doesn't stop us from having to cough up to support them or
having >to put up with the likes of Gordon Brown"
What support? GAE isn't the only item in the expense sheet. What about
tax revenues from Scottish oil since the it came ashore?
>"Now Scotland (and Wales and NI) have their own local versions of
>Parliament, they should have far less influence on the greater UK"
I can understand English only matters but UK matters why? What gives the
right for the English to greater influence on matters that affect the
whole of the UK?
>"I'm more than happy for the Union to be ended, just take back Gordon
>Brown and don't expect us to bail you out again."
Who's bailed out who. The IMF had to bail out the UK in the 70's and its
oil money that repaid that debt. Who gets the juicy MOD navel bases and
associated income and who gets the major MOD nuclear targets and nuclear
waste with little or no local benefit.
As for going it alone I'm not in favour but it would bother me to much
if we did. The last time we met at Potters Bar I had to take my passport
with me to fly down to England and I had change my Scottish money into
English money, so what's the difference?
Len GM0ONX
Len GM0ONX
Len GM0ONX
It goes beyond being just delusional it shows a complete
misunderstanding of even the most basic issues.
DieSea
You've only just found out
Join the club
DieSea
nn...@benison.co.uk
Darian failed partly due to english investors reneging on contracts I think
you will wind. Because the english crown was at was with France and needed
Spanish help they were "persuaded" to withdraw support.
But actually I was going back a few hundred years more than the period up to
the 1706 Act of Union. However the Act of Union made provision for the
Monarch to govern from Scotland not englandshire!
But then you have claimed Scots heritage in the past with links to the North.
You will be glad to know that your claimed relatives are not impressed with
your outbursts
David
nn...@benison.co.uk
wrote:
>It goes beyond being just delusional it shows a complete
>misunderstanding of even the most basic issues.
That's him in a nutshell. But Google is his friend!
nn...@benison.co.uk
>Darian failed partly due to english investors reneging on contracts I think
>you will find. Because the english crown was at war with France and needed
>Spanish help they were "persuaded" to withdraw support.
Corrected version. Must type slower or put the key down while typing!
Dave
Len GM0ONX
>
> Truth is that, as a nation, our industries had become un-competitive and all
> of us baulked at buying expensive home grown goods when cheaper imports were
> available. The situation was simply unsustainable.
>
In many cause its more than that, its pure greed. Last week Diagio
announced the closure of the Johnny Walker Factory in Kilmarnock.
Johnny Walker is the best selling whisky brand in the world. The plant
makes money but is the smallest of their plants and there is a surplus
in world supply at the moment.
Solution close the plant having stole the Johnny Walker brand founded
and build up by the local community in Kilmarnock long before Diagio was
a crooked thought in the mind of Guinness and Distillers Directors.
Are Diagio loosing money, no, will Diagio make a loss if the keep the
Kilmarnock plant open, no. Is there a stated aim its to make more money
for their shareholders, yes. Corporate greed.
When we closed down out mining industry we had cheap Australian coal
available. Where's it now, gone (at least the cheap bit). Are our coal
stocks secure, no. Did it cost more to close the pits and put entire
communities on the dole than it did to subsidise the mining industry,
yes. No more than Maggie's revenge on that ars*h*le Scargill.
Time after time governments of both major parties only think from one
election to the next.
Len GM0ONX
Jim GM4DHJ/M
"Steve Terry" <gFOU...@tesco.net> wrote in message
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>> Jim GM4DHJ/M wrote:
>>>> You may like to research the "union of the crowns" and the "union of
>>>> parliaments" and rethink that. In particular, the dire economics of
>>>> Scotland prior to the latter. Look up the Darian Scheme.
>>>> 73
>>>> Brian G8OSN / M3OSN
>>>
>>> i think they should build a car factory at Linwood .......
>>
>> unreliable motoring out of the middle? :P
>>
>>
> You had a Hillman Imp too?
>
> Steve Terry
>
I used to snap the rubber donuts at the lights .....
Jim GM4DHJ/M
a sunbeam stiletto? .... very cutting .....