£1.2 billions wasted - Radio Amateurs and others Still Not Safe. You couldn't make it up.
Spike
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/18/e_borders_confusion/
"Conflicts with EU free movement rules have thrown the UK's �1.2
billion electronic borders program into disarray.
The e-borders scheme is designed to collect the personal data of every
passenger travelling into and out of Britain. This means, for example,
that someone flying from the UK to Spain needs to submit their name,
date of birth and passport details ahead of a flight and well before
they got to the airport, or face the risk of being prevented from
boarding.
Passenger data was checked against terrorist watch lists and used for
immigration controls. However concerns have arisen that the mandatory
controls violate EU rules on free movement. That means that passengers
are no longer obliged to hand over travel credential information in
the days running up to their flight while airlines are freed of the
obligation to refuse to carry passengers that decline to pass over
their details, the Daily Telegraph reports.
Instead the UK Border Agency (UKBA) will check passengers once they
arrive. Refusing to provide travel credential details will no longer
become sufficient reasons to refuse entry, to EU citizens at least.
The scheme, which was in the process of roll-out and was not expected
to be complete until 2014, has effectively been nipped in the bud.
Possible problems with the scheme emerged after the Home Office sought
assurances that asking for passenger information well ahead of flights
was within EU rules and became public after the EU response was
considered by MPs on the Home Affairs Select Committee.
A report from the Home Affairs Select Committee warns the e-border
scheme may be illegal if compulsory because it potentially violates EU
laws on the free movement of people and goods between EU member
states. "Commitments and assurances" made by the UK authorities mean
the scheme itself is fine and it's just the compulsory element that's
the problem, rather than any issues over data security and privacy.
A letter, from Jonathan Faull, director general of the European
Commission's Justice, Freedom and Security department, states that
Passengers must be informed in advance that handing over the
information is "is neither compulsory nor... a condition of purchase
and sale of the ticket", The Daily Telegraph adds.
"Passengers who are EU citizens or their family members will not be
refused entry/exit or incur sanctions in any way on the basis that
their passenger data is unavailable to the UK authorities for whatever
reason," the letter adds.
Advanced passenger information includes data normally required for
border checks, This includes the name, gender, date of birth,
nationality and country of residence of travellers."
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Brian Reay
"Spike" <Aero.Spike@S&T.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/18/e_borders_confusion/
>
> "Conflicts with EU free movement rules have thrown the UK's �1.2
> billion electronic borders program into disarray.
Peanuts compared with the �17b we pay to support the basic EU.
Then there is the �1.5b Gordon promised to the "3rd world" to assist with
aid for "global warming". Well, I suppose we don't need the money to protect
British jobs.
I see Copenhagen was a "success", being cynical I wonder if they will need
another expensive "do" to sort it out.
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Brian G8OSN/W8OSN
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Life is too short for cheap wine.
Spike
Brian Reay wrote:
>
>
>
>"Spike" <Aero.Spike@S&T.invalid> wrote in message
>news:hqepi516nvlur4mgv...@4ax.com...
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/18/e_borders_confusion/
>>
>> "Conflicts with EU free movement rules have thrown the UK's �1.2
>> billion electronic borders program into disarray.
>
>Peanuts compared with the �17b we pay to support the basic EU.
>
>Then there is the �1.5b Gordon promised to the "3rd world" to assist with
>aid for "global warming". Well, I suppose we don't need the money to protect
>British jobs.
That's because he's convinced of the science - rather like his
predecessor was over Iraqi WMD.
>I see Copenhagen was a "success", being cynical I wonder if they will need
>another expensive "do" to sort it out.
You've got it in one....
Gaius
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/18/e_borders_confusion/
>
> "Conflicts with EU free movement rules have thrown the UK's �1.2
> billion electronic borders program into disarray.
>
> The e-borders scheme is designed to collect the personal data of every
> passenger travelling into and out of Britain. This means, for example,
> that someone flying from the UK to Spain needs to submit their name,
> date of birth and passport details ahead of a flight and well before
> they got to the airport, or face the risk of being prevented from
> boarding.
Excellent news. One in the eye for Nu Labour's control freaks.
Total surveillance has become one of the few growth industries in this
country. This is just another part of that.
Frighten the sheep with tales of terrorists, bogey men, and things that
go bump in the night. Then promise them "Safety" by watching them all
the time, and databasing everything.
Don't worry - If you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear.
Until the definition of what's "Wrong" is changed by the government that
is....
Jimbo GM4DHJ ...
luc...@eternal-flames.gov
<jim.g...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>just ban Muslims from travelling until they sort out their own .......
Eleven words... Eight of them completely superfluous.
Paul Starship
wrote:
>immigration controls. However concerns have arisen that the mandatory
>controls violate EU rules on free movement. That means that passengers
as i said before and as many others here know, eu legislation trumps
national legislation. (unless you talk about workers rights )
>Instead the UK Border Agency (UKBA) will check passengers once they
>arrive. Refusing to provide travel credential details will no longer
>become sufficient reasons to refuse entry, to EU citizens at least.
oh dear...
many years ago ... they used to hand out little green cards that had
to be filled in prior to you arriving into BHX.
after many complaints, i heard two irish m.e.p's arrived and refused
to fill these cards out.
they kicked up so much trouble over it that these cards were then
required to be filled out when leaving BHX.
me thinks history is repeating itself.
instead of little green card, it will be a little computer-data-burst.
Spike
Conor wrote:
>In article <4b2cdbb3$0$2528$da0f...@news.zen.co.uk>, Gaius says...
>>
>> Spike wrote:
>> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/18/e_borders_confusion/
>> >
>> > "Conflicts with EU free movement rules have thrown the UK's �1.2
>> > billion electronic borders program into disarray.
>> >
>> > The e-borders scheme is designed to collect the personal data of every
>> > passenger travelling into and out of Britain. This means, for example,
>> > that someone flying from the UK to Spain needs to submit their name,
>> > date of birth and passport details ahead of a flight and well before
>> > they got to the airport, or face the risk of being prevented from
>> > boarding.
>>
>> Excellent news. One in the eye for Nu Labour's control freaks.
>>
>> Total surveillance has become one of the few growth industries in this
>> country. This is just another part of that.
>>
>I agree. The one thing that pissed me off is that despite living in a
>community with open borders, I needed a passport to get back to the UK.
The 'community' comprises the signatories to the Schengen Agreement.
The UK is not a signatory.
It doesn't belong to the Pan European Database either, so the
governments 'commitment' to make you 'safe' from terrorists, major
criminals, and illegal immigrants is worth precisely nothing.
Yeti
> just ban Muslims from travelling until they sort out their own .......
>
I said something like that on a police website a few years ago - they
went MENTAL.
Jimbo GM4DHJ ...
"Yeti" <ye...@ayrshore.com> wrote in message
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just back from Winterfest in George Square Glasgow...not a Christian icon to
be seen....very nice .......place was hotching with muslims though.....
Jimbo GM4DHJ ...
perhaps that is why they have it in for you ........
Jimbo GM4DHJ ...
neighbours are well off Muslims and their teenage kids are fantastic people
and I love helping them with their cars etc...but overall Islam has caused
us westerners nothing but trouble......
Dave
> Spike wrote:
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/18/e_borders_confusion/
>>
>> "Conflicts with EU free movement rules have thrown the UK's �1.2
>> billion electronic borders program into disarray.
>>
>> The e-borders scheme is designed to collect the personal data of every
>> passenger travelling into and out of Britain. This means, for example,
>> that someone flying from the UK to Spain needs to submit their name,
>> date of birth and passport details ahead of a flight and well before
>> they got to the airport, or face the risk of being prevented from
>> boarding.
>
> Excellent news. One in the eye for Nu Labour's control freaks.
>
> Total surveillance has become one of the few growth industries in this
> country. This is just another part of that.
>
> Frighten the sheep with tales of terrorists, bogey men, and things that
> go bump in the night. Then promise them "Safety" by watching them all
> the time, and databasing everything.
That reminds me of the sheep I saw last Saturday. The local shoot was
out, shooting whatever they do and the sheep were only a field, or two
away. They were all stood around a tree with their heads in the air
looking worried. Not a one moved, or ate the grass until the shooting
stopped.
You're right, I see what you mean here.
> Don't worry - If you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to fear.
> Until the definition of what's "Wrong" is changed by the government that
> is....
The sooner we get rid of this and any other control freak government,
the better.
Dave
Dave
> In article <7gppi59vkoku7e9gb...@4ax.com>,
> luc...@eternal-flames.gov says...
> then...
>
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/12/arab-world-burka-
> barbie-iconic-doll-gets-an-islamic-makeover-for-50th-anniversary.html
Would you say that the USA has lost the plot, once again?
Dave
Spike
Dave wrote:
Which plot? They have so many....
luc...@eternal-flames.gov
wrote:
>Would you say that the USA has lost the plot, once again?
>
>Dave
BEHAVE! The last time the USA had the plot, it involved Watergate.
Nick.
Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
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>
>
>
> "Spike" <Aero.Spike@S&T.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hqepi516nvlur4mgv...@4ax.com...
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/18/e_borders_confusion/
>>
>> "Conflicts with EU free movement rules have thrown the UK's �1.2
>> billion electronic borders program into disarray.
>
> Peanuts compared with the �17b we pay to support the basic EU.
>
Peanuts compared to the amount blown bailing the banks out recently.
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.
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
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Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
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> just ban Muslims from travelling until they sort out their own .......
>
At least stop their wimmin driving around with bin liners over their heads.
Jimbo GM4DHJ ...
"Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI" <g3...@turner-smith.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Jimbo GM4DHJ ..." <jim.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:hgini3$e8e$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> just ban Muslims from travelling until they sort out their own .......
>>
>
> At least stop their wimmin driving around with bin liners over their
> heads.
and peering through letter box slits ........
Steve Terry
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> news:hgini3$e8e$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> just ban Muslims from travelling until they sort out their own .......
>
> At least stop their wimmin driving around with bin liners over their
> heads.
> .
> 73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
>
>
change their society
To start with Muslim men would stop making their wimin
walk behind them, for fear of getting shot in the back ;-)
Steve Terry
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Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI
I've not seen any peering through my letter box.
Yeti
> Give every Muslim woman a S&W snub nose .38, that would soon
> change their society
>
> To start with Muslim men would stop making their wimin
> walk behind them, for fear of getting shot in the back ;-)
LOL - and eyewitnesses wouldn't be much use in investigating that one
either...
DieSea
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Saw _TWO_ in the local branch of Barclays this week
No one Batted an eyelid
I nearly asked if they would serve me if I wore a balaclava
But then "chickened out"
DieSea
Dave
have about 8 or 9 police officers in our family, outside the direct
one(Cousins etc.) Son is a police officer and has been trained up for
armed response. What is worse, wife went away to Scout camp about 3
years ago and came back with a medal for being the champion target
shooter. Needless to say, I sweep the house for guns every week :-)
Dave
Steve Terry
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> "Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI" <g3...@turner-smith.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:JCaXm.65600$O74....@newsfe25.ams2...
>> "Jimbo GM4DHJ ..." <jim.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hgini3$e8e$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> just ban Muslims from travelling until they sort out their own .......
>>
>> At least stop their wimmin driving around with bin liners over their
>> heads.
>> .
>> 73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint
>
>
> No one Batted an eyelid
>
> I nearly asked if they would serve me if I wore a balaclava
> But then "chickened out"
> DieSea
>
Why? If someone is going to rob a bank wearing a helmet
they aren't going to obey that nonsense.
luc...@eternal-flames.gov
wrote:
>Every bank insists you take your motorcycle helmet off
>
>Why? If someone is going to rob a bank wearing a helmet
>they aren't going to obey that nonsense.
>
>Steve Terry
But if you wear a burka over the motorcycle helmet, how would they
know?
Nick.
Paul Starship
wrote:
>Every bank insists you take your motorcycle helmet off
I wonder if 'the stig' ever goes into a bank ?
Yeti
Some say he has no need for currency.
Jimbo GM4DHJ ...
some say he never crashes into a bank....
Dave
> "DieSea" <DieSea.No...@nnttwlwoorrlldd.ccoomm> wrote in message
> news:4b2d51f5$0$2536$da0f...@news.zen.co.uk...
>> "Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI" <g3...@turner-smith.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:JCaXm.65600$O74....@newsfe25.ams2...
>>> "Jimbo GM4DHJ ..." <jim.g...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hgini3$e8e$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> just ban Muslims from travelling until they sort out their own .......
>>> At least stop their wimmin driving around with bin liners over their
>>> heads.
>>> ;-)
>>> .
>>> 73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint
>> Saw _TWO_ in the local branch of Barclays this week
>>
>> No one Batted an eyelid
>>
>> I nearly asked if they would serve me if I wore a balaclava
>> But then "chickened out"
>> DieSea
>>
> Every bank insists you take your motorcycle helmet off
>
> Why? If someone is going to rob a bank wearing a helmet
> they aren't going to obey that nonsense.
Brother in law works on beefing up bank security. Helmet, or not, they
wont get the cask.
Dave
Dave
That brings up another question.
If I wear an IRA balaclava around town, how long do you think it would
take plod to stop me and me to give them the shrugs, when questioned?
Dave
Jimbo ...
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they want a cask? .........
Jimbo GM4DHJ ...
> If I wear an IRA balaclava around town, how long do you think it would
> take plod to stop me and me to give them the shrugs, when questioned?
>
> Dave
....you would be counselled for child abuse
Catweazel
> "Spike" <Aero.Spike@S&T.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:hqepi516nvlur4mgv...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/18/e_borders_confusion/
>
> > "Conflicts with EU free movement rules have thrown the UK's £1.2
> > billion electronic borders program into disarray.
>
> Peanuts compared with the £17b we pay to support the basic EU.
>
Catweazel
> Spike wrote:
> >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/18/e_borders_confusion/
>
> > "Conflicts with EU free movement rules have thrown the UK's £1.2
> > billion electronic borders program into disarray.
>
> > passenger travelling into and out of Britain. This means, for example,
> > that someone flying from the UK to Spain needs to submit their name,
> > date of birth and passport details ahead of a flight and well before
> > they got to the airport, or face the risk of being prevented from
> > boarding.
>
> Excellent news. One in the eye for Nu Labour's control freaks.
>
> Total surveillance has become one of the few growth industries in this
> country. This is just another part of that.
>
> Frighten the sheep with tales of terrorists, bogey men, and things that
> go bump in the night. Then promise them "Safety" by watching them all
> the time, and databasing everything.
>
> Until the definition of what's "Wrong" is changed by the government that
> is....
when you're right, you're right.
Steve Terry
news:20091220090...@peterson.fenrir.org.uk...
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 03:01:25 -0000
>
>> Why? If someone is going to rob a bank wearing a helmet
>> they aren't going to obey that nonsense.
>
> law-abiding....
> Brian Morrison
>
>
and blatantly pointless signs are written by the hard of thinking
Steve Terry
> luc...@eternal-flames.gov wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 03:01:25 -0000, "Steve Terry" <gfou...@tesco.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Every bank insists you take your motorcycle helmet off
>>>
>>> Why? If someone is going to rob a bank wearing a helmet
>>> they aren't going to obey that nonsense.
>>> Steve Terry
>>
>> But if you wear a burka over the motorcycle helmet, how would they
>> know?
>
>
> That brings up another question.
>
> If I wear an IRA balaclava around town, how long do you think it would
> take plod to stop me and me to give them the shrugs, when questioned?
> Dave
>
You could start a trend
I see plod took a balaclava with Terrorist written on it,
which belonged to a board game
Steve Terry
Jimbo GM4DHJ ...
"Steve Terry" <gfou...@tesco.net> wrote in message
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> "Brian Morrison" <b...@fenrir.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:20091220090...@peterson.fenrir.org.uk...
>> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 03:01:25 -0000
>> "Steve Terry" <gfou...@tesco.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Why? If someone is going to rob a bank wearing a helmet
>>> they aren't going to obey that nonsense.
>>
>> It's a fundamental problem with laws, they only work for the
>> law-abiding....
>> Brian Morrison
>>
>>
> and blatantly pointless signs are written by the hard of thinking
>
> Steve Terry
I liked the sign at Penrith station .... "Do not stand close to the edge of
the platform or you may be sucked off" ..............
Jimbo ...
Steve Terry
Dan Morse of Four Feather Falls
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Dan Morse of Four Feather Falls
Steve Terry
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Nope, you're too stupid to have consciously been able to make such a
witticism
and who's Jumbo?