Joys of diversity no. 8,992,317... two savages murder soldier in London with machetes...

[True Blue]

An excerpt from the Mail's story, in the patois of the urban
immigrant;

"Twitter user Boya Dee wrote: 'Ohhhhh myyyy God!!!! I just see a man
with his head chopped off right in front of my eyes!

'Oh my God!!!! The way Feds took them out!!! It was a female police
officer she come out the whip and just started bussssin shots!!

'Mate ive seen alot of s*** im my time but that has to rank sumwhere
in the top 3. I couldnt believe my eyes. That was some movie s***.'

He added: 'The two black bredas run this white guy over over then hop
out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!

'People were asking whyyy whyyy they were just saying we've had
enough! They looked like they were on sutn! Then they start waving a
revolver

'Then boydem turn up!! Woolwich feds didnt want it... They had to
wait for armed response.. Helicopters everyting...

'Then thats how u know they were on sutn cos they actually went for
armed feds with just two machete and an old rusty lookin revolver

'The first guy goes for the female fed with the machete and she not
even ramping she took man out like robocop never seen nutn like it

'Then the next breda try buss off the rusty 45 and it just backfires
and blows mans finger clean off... Feds didnt pet to just take him
out!!

'These times i was just going to the shop for some fruit and veg and
i see all that!'"


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Two-men-shot-armed-police-hacking-soldier-death-machetes-London-street-dozens-terrified-witnesses-watched.html

It appears the Mail is waaaay in front on this breaking story.

[Ophelia]

"True Blue" <garyb...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Aye it was just breaking on radio 4 as I saw your post.

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[Bill]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:02:08 -0700 (PDT), True Blue
<garyb...@googlemail.com> wrote:


>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Two-men-shot-armed-police-hacking-soldier-death-machetes-London-street-dozens-terrified-witnesses-watched.html
>
>It appears the Mail is waaaay in front on this breaking story.

The BBC story has times as early as 16:09 and a rolling narrative

[True Blue]

On May 22, 5:23 pm, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:02:08 -0700 (PDT), True Blue
>

> <garybagg...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Two-men-shot-armed-po...

>
> >It appears the Mail is waaaay in front on this breaking story.
>
> The BBC story has times as early as 16:09 and a rolling narrative

It lacked detail. The Mail were first with photos from the scene and
eye witness reports. And of course, the BBC right up to the time of my
writing this, have excised *that* word from its report, cherrypicking
the same eye witness reports that have been used by other media, to
use only passages that don't contain "black". The BBC - the Class of
'68's £3bn media tool.

[James P]

Perhaps your subject header should read 'Two freedom fighters win in
fight with British terrorist?

[Phi]

"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b6spp8t1ic3glr2g9...@4ax.com...

A witness statement says the attackers were trying to film the event
shouting Allahu Akbar

[True Blue]

On May 22, 5:39 pm, James P <jimmyrid...@ornage.net> wrote:
> Perhaps your subject header should read 'Two freedom fighters win in
> fight with British terrorist?

I wondered how long it would take for a self-loather to cover himself
in virtue....

[James P]

*I* haven't killed anyone nor have I raped and pillaged anyones country.
As you sow so shall you reap.

[Mentalguy2k8]

"James P" <jimmy...@ornage.net> wrote in message
news:knitna$5g7$1...@dont-email.me...

Which country did this dead soldier pillage?

[DVH]

I thought the perps were Somalis?

[Bill]

Where'd you get that from?

Two interesting points so far about this dreadful business.

1. There's a crashed car in the pictures and eye witnesses say that a
car crash triggered the attack.

2. The head cases who perpetrated this dreadful act hung about for
twenty minutes until some armed police turned up, they attacked the
police the police promptly shot them. Suicide by cop?

[Mentalguy2k8]

"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:ljvpp81u54ef1to8m...@4ax.com...

> On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:14:22 +0100, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
>
>>On 22/05/2013 18:06, James P wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2013 17:51, True Blue wrote:
>>>> On May 22, 5:39 pm, James P <jimmyrid...@ornage.net> wrote:
>>>>> Perhaps your subject header should read 'Two freedom fighters win in
>>>>> fight with British terrorist?
>>>>
>>>> I wondered how long it would take for a self-loather to cover himself
>>>> in virtue....
>>>>
>>>
>>> *I* haven't killed anyone nor have I raped and pillaged anyones country.
>>> As you sow so shall you reap.
>>
>>I thought the perps were Somalis?
>
> Where'd you get that from?
>
> Two interesting points so far about this dreadful business.
>
> 1. There's a crashed car in the pictures and eye witnesses say that a
> car crash triggered the attack.

It was their car, they ran the (pedestrian) victim over with it.

[Cassandra]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:02:08 -0700 (PDT), True Blue
<garyb...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>An excerpt from the Mail's story, in the patois of the urban
>immigrant;
>
>"Twitter user Boya Dee wrote: 'Ohhhhh myyyy God!!!! I just see a man
>with his head chopped off right in front of my eyes!
>
> 'Oh my God!!!! The way Feds took them out!!! It was a female police
>officer she come out the whip and just started bussssin shots!!
>
> 'Mate ive seen alot of s*** im my time but that has to rank sumwhere
>in the top 3. I couldnt believe my eyes. That was some movie s***.'
>
>He added: 'The two black bredas run this white guy over over then hop
>out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!
>

It is of course very telling a young black man living in London sees
someone being beheaded and two others shot and thinks he might have
seen two other things that were worse

[True Blue]

> seen two other things that were worse- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes, that hadn't escaped me either!

[Mentalguy2k8]

"Cassandra" <cassandr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:519cfe12...@news.virginmedia.com...

Judging by his literacy skills, I wouldn't think his maths was shit hot
either.

[Cassandra]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:51:57 -0700 (PDT), True Blue
<garyb...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Racist police officers deliberately shot some peace loving Muslims for
a minor traffic offence. This is something the ethnic community
should protest about at their local branch of Currys.

[DVH]

On 22/05/2013 18:23, Bill wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:14:22 +0100, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
>
>> On 22/05/2013 18:06, James P wrote:
>>> On 22/05/2013 17:51, True Blue wrote:
>>>> On May 22, 5:39 pm, James P <jimmyrid...@ornage.net> wrote:
>>>>> Perhaps your subject header should read 'Two freedom fighters win in
>>>>> fight with British terrorist?
>>>>
>>>> I wondered how long it would take for a self-loather to cover himself
>>>> in virtue....
>>>>
>>>
>>> *I* haven't killed anyone nor have I raped and pillaged anyones country.
>>> As you sow so shall you reap.
>>
>> I thought the perps were Somalis?
>
> Where'd you get that from?

Black muslims in Woolwich?

>
> Two interesting points so far about this dreadful business.
>
> 1. There's a crashed car in the pictures and eye witnesses say that a
> car crash triggered the attack.

Why's that so interesting?

[Cassandra]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:44:43 +0100, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:

>On 22/05/2013 18:23, Bill wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:14:22 +0100, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 22/05/2013 18:06, James P wrote:
>>>> On 22/05/2013 17:51, True Blue wrote:
>>>>> On May 22, 5:39 pm, James P <jimmyrid...@ornage.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Perhaps your subject header should read 'Two freedom fighters win in
>>>>>> fight with British terrorist?
>>>>>
>>>>> I wondered how long it would take for a self-loather to cover himself
>>>>> in virtue....
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *I* haven't killed anyone nor have I raped and pillaged anyones country.
>>>> As you sow so shall you reap.
>>>
>>> I thought the perps were Somalis?
>>
>> Where'd you get that from?
>
>Black muslims in Woolwich?
>
>>
>> Two interesting points so far about this dreadful business.
>>
>> 1. There's a crashed car in the pictures and eye witnesses say that a
>> car crash triggered the attack.
>
>Why's that so interesting?
>

He's trying to imply it was a simple road accident that got out of
hand and chopping someones head off is the Islamic version of
exchanging insurance details.

[Bill]

Lie

[DVH]

Possibly, but an amusing take.

Why is it so interesting, anyway?

[Max Muir]

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[DVH]

Hey. I want a word with you.

I couldn't get this to work in netbeans IDE:

https://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/msg/11df2672e8179c94?hl=en-GB

Actually, I wasn't even certain it was Java.

But my point is, what does it mean?

[abelard]

excellent creative english as taught by an ethnically sensitive
english teacher....

[Max Muir]

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:46:20 AM UTC-7, DVH wrote:
> On 22/05/2013 19:32, Max Muir wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > [This is an automated email sent from an unmonitored account, please do not reply]
>
> >
>
> > Dear Maxwell
>
> >
>
> > Thank you for your kind donation to Help for Heroes on behalf of Help for Heroes. The details of your donation are:
>
> >
>

> > Donation Amount: �25.00

>
> > Donation Reference: **-*-*******
>
> > AuthCode: AUTH CODE:******
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Thank you very much for your support!
>
> >
>
> >>From the Help for Heroes Team
>
> >
>
>
>
> Hey. I want a word with you.
>
>
>
> I couldn't get this to work in netbeans IDE:
>
>
>
> https://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/msg/11df2672e8179c94?hl=en-GB
>
>
>
> Actually, I wasn't even certain it was Java.
>
>
>
> But my point is, what does it mean?

Oh it's just a lame programme to demonstrate conversion to and from ternary.

It is Java. Steps to run:

1. save the line starting with 'package uk.politics.misc;' to the end of the message into a file called DVH.java

2. compile (this might happen automatically)

3. run as Java application

It should print out a message but I can't remember what it is.

How's it going? I've been hiking a lot recently, though not as much as I'd like. Sprained my ankle on El Cahon mountain, which is "MOST STRENUOUS",
though I got up to the burnt out truck.
http://100peaks.com/files/2010/10/04-Jeep-shell-on-the-way-to-El-Cajon-Mountain.jpg


Regards,
Max

[charlie61Ltd]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 20:49:51 +0200, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
wrote:

CNN is showing all the videos including close up's of one of those
involved.
Apparently he talks like a londoner.

[DVH]

On 22/05/2013 20:02, Max Muir wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:46:20 AM UTC-7, DVH wrote:
>> On 22/05/2013 19:32, Max Muir wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> [This is an automated email sent from an unmonitored account, please do not reply]
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Dear Maxwell
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Thank you for your kind donation to Help for Heroes on behalf of Help for Heroes. The details of your donation are:
>>
>>>
>>

>>> Donation Amount: �25.00

>>
>>> Donation Reference: **-*-*******
>>
>>> AuthCode: AUTH CODE:******
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Thank you very much for your support!
>>
>>>
>>
>>> >From the Help for Heroes Team
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey. I want a word with you.
>>
>>
>>
>> I couldn't get this to work in netbeans IDE:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/msg/11df2672e8179c94?hl=en-GB
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually, I wasn't even certain it was Java.
>>
>>
>>
>> But my point is, what does it mean?
>
> Oh it's just a lame programme to demonstrate conversion to and from ternary.

Oh cool. I'll give it another whirl.

>
> It is Java. Steps to run:
>
> 1. save the line starting with 'package uk.politics.misc;' to the end of the message into a file called DVH.java
>
> 2. compile (this might happen automatically)
>
> 3. run as Java application
>
> It should print out a message but I can't remember what it is.
>
> How's it going? I've been hiking a lot recently, though not as much as I'd like. Sprained my ankle on El Cahon mountain, which is "MOST STRENUOUS",
> though I got up to the burnt out truck.
> http://100peaks.com/files/2010/10/04-Jeep-shell-on-the-way-to-El-Cajon-Mountain.jpg

Is that a well known truck? It looks like the sort of vehicle you might
see outside the pub in Darlington.

I'm off next week to finish a trail I had to abandon in 2010. Then
possibly Greece in the autumn.

Here's the advice on walking in Greece from Lonely Planet:

"CAVE CANEM

Greek sheepdogs are not like the sheepdogs in Britain. They are large
and starving.

They do not operate alone, but in packs of three or four.

Always carry stones, and if surrounded, use them with the intention of
hurting."

[Blue]

On 22/05/2013 20:05, charlie61Ltd wrote:

> CNN is showing all the videos including close up's of one of those
> involved.
> Apparently he talks like a londoner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDtL0TKjw3w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ9VquD30aI

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Two-men-shot-armed-police-hacking-soldier-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-busy-London-street.html

[Max Muir]

On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 12:14:43 UTC-7, DVH wrote:

> > Oh it's just a lame programme to demonstrate conversion to and from ternary.
>
>
>
> Oh cool. I'll give it another whirl.
>
>
>
> >
>
> > It is Java. Steps to run:
> > 1. save the line starting with 'package uk.politics.misc;' to the end of the message into a file called DVH.java
>
> >
>
> > 2. compile (this might happen automatically)
>
> >
>
> > 3. run as Java application
>
> >
>
> > It should print out a message but I can't remember what it is.
>
> >
>
> > How's it going? I've been hiking a lot recently, though not as much as I'd like. Sprained my ankle on El Cahon mountain, which is "MOST STRENUOUS",
>
> > though I got up to the burnt out truck.
>
> > http://100peaks.com/files/2010/10/04-Jeep-shell-on-the-way-to-El-Cajon-Mountain.jpg
>
>
>
> Is that a well known truck?

Only to El Cahon Mtn cognoscenti, I suspect.

> It looks like the sort of vehicle you might
>
> see outside the pub in Darlington.

:-) I miss the north east.

> I'm off next week to finish a trail I had to abandon in 2010. Then
>
> possibly Greece in the autumn.
>
>
>
> Here's the advice on walking in Greece from Lonely Planet:
>
>
>
> "CAVE CANEM
>
>
>
> Greek sheepdogs are not like the sheepdogs in Britain. They are large
>
> and starving.

I suppose we must admire their restraint in not eating the sheep.

> They do not operate alone, but in packs of three or four.
> Always carry stones, and if surrounded, use them with the intention of
> hurting."

Oh dear. A stout walking stick might be handy too.

[Mentalguy2k8]

"charlie61Ltd" <char...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:fk5qp8h5qhavbro4m...@4ax.com...

>>excellent creative english as taught by an ethnically sensitive
>> english teacher....
>
> CNN is showing all the videos including close up's of one of those
> involved.


> Apparently he talks like a londoner.

So does the Somalian Mo Farah.

[Bill]

Because it doesn't fit the sort of profile being pushed by the media
who seem to be slowly working towards the idea that the whole thing
was a planned attack.

Running your car into a passing young man wearing a T-shirt that may
or may not indicate that he's a serving soldier and then hanging about
awaiting the inevitable arrival of the cops doesn't seem like what
we're used to.

We're used to a more sophisticated approach from terrorists.

This one could have been part of the film 'Four Lions'.

[Bill]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 20:05:41 +0100, charlie61Ltd <char...@mail.com>

Sky News are as well, he sounds like he was brought up here.

[Andy Wainwright]

When there's crap like Gitmo in the so-called civilised West, we can't
really complain about barbarity by our force's enemies. Not that what
happened is right, but it takes two to tango.

Whilst Western powers are happy to violate the human rights of their
enemies, including torturing and killing them without due judicial
process, it makes the "good guys" and the "bad guys" look remarkably
similar.

So what should our response by to this terrorist attack. All politicians
should have their bodyguards removed, so that if anyone's disgruntled
about foreign policy, they'll kill those giving the orders rather than
following them.

[abelard]

go back to your attic

[Zapp Brannigan]

"Bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:01dqp8te1vqevvj0j...@4ax.com...

I agree. The commencement of this appalling incident does seem odd. Was
this spontaneous, were they cruising around the barracks looking for a
target, was that particular soldier targeted for some reason?

[charlie61Ltd]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 22:14:03 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>

Nigeria?

[Big Les Wade]

Andy Wainwright <andrewricha...@hotmail.co.uk> posted

>When there's crap like Gitmo in the so-called civilised West, we can't
>really complain about barbarity by our force's enemies.

Don't be so bloody silly. Of course we can. I didn't create Gitmo and I
didn't hack anybody's head off, so I can complain about both.


--
Les

[The Todal]

The UK isn't complaining about the drone attacks on innocent Afghan or
Pakistani villages.

What's the logic of those drone attacks? You identify an insurgent or
soldier. You don't try to detain him but instead you kill him, trying to
keep any other casualties to a minimum.

Can we then be surprised if Islamic terrorists identify one of our
soldiers and kill him?

I think both are equally morally wrong and abhorrent.

[yttiw]

Wherever it was, he is an excellent recruiting sergeant for UKIP.

Just watch their poll ratings climb over the next few weeks. If the
English had not had enough of the foreign savages before, they have now.

[White Spirit]

On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 19:46:20 UTC+1, DVH wrote:

> Hey. I want a word with you.

> I couldn't get this to work in netbeans IDE:

> https://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/msg/11df2672e8179c94?hl=en-GB

> Actually, I wasn't even certain it was Java.

> But my point is, what does it mean?

It means that you don't belong anywhere near a compiler.

[Big Les Wade]

The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> posted

>On 23/5/13 09:44, Big Les Wade wrote:
>> Andy Wainwright <andrewricha...@hotmail.co.uk> posted
>>> When there's crap like Gitmo in the so-called civilised West, we can't
>>> really complain about barbarity by our force's enemies.
>>
>> Don't be so bloody silly. Of course we can. I didn't create Gitmo and I
>> didn't hack anybody's head off, so I can complain about both.
>>
>>
>
>The UK isn't complaining about the drone attacks on innocent Afghan or
>Pakistani villages.
>

*I* am, though. So *I* can complain about Islamic terrorism too.

Where are we going here? Is it that when Andrew said "When there's crap

like Gitmo in the so-called civilised West, we can't really complain

about barbarity by our force's enemies", what he really meant was "When
there's crap like Gitmo in the so-called civilised West, *western
governments* can't really complain about barbarity by our force's
enemies."

If so I agree with him, but I wish he'd said what he meant.

>What's the logic of those drone attacks? You identify an insurgent or
>soldier. You don't try to detain him but instead you kill him, trying
>to keep any other casualties to a minimum.
>
>Can we then be surprised if Islamic terrorists identify one of our
>soldiers and kill him?
>
>I think both are equally morally wrong and abhorrent.

Agreed.

--
Les

[White Spirit]

On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 22:38:51 UTC+1, Andy Wainwright wrote:

> When there's crap like Gitmo in the so-called civilised West, we can't
> really complain about barbarity by our force's enemies.

No, of course not. Maybe we should just let people get away with things like that in future.

It also might have escaped your attention that Guantanamo Bay does not belong to us.

[Mrcheerful]

I wonder why armed soldiers from the barracks were not immediately
despatched. as for a twenty minute wait for armed Police, that is pathetic.
I also think it is a bit sad that members of the public did not 'subdue' the
attackers, there were plenty enough watching.

[Bill]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:10:01 +0100, yttiw <cud...@britpost.com>
wrote:

Or possibly not.

It seems Farage is being all being reasonable over this one...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/401819/Ukip-leader-Nigel-Farage-says-he-hopes-and-believes-Woolwich-attack-is-isolated-incident

[DVH]

That's a foolish attitude. But I've seen the same from many
representatives of alleged high skills trying to exclude new entrants
from their guilds.

[Bill]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 13:26:27 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
<g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>Bill wrote:
>>> Why is it so interesting, anyway?
>>
>> Because it doesn't fit the sort of profile being pushed by the media
>> who seem to be slowly working towards the idea that the whole thing
>> was a planned attack.
>>
>> Running your car into a passing young man wearing a T-shirt that may
>> or may not indicate that he's a serving soldier and then hanging about
>> awaiting the inevitable arrival of the cops doesn't seem like what
>> we're used to.
>>
>> We're used to a more sophisticated approach from terrorists.
>>
>> This one could have been part of the film 'Four Lions'.
>
>I wonder why armed soldiers from the barracks were not immediately
>despatched.

Because they're obviously not routinely armed.

They have guns but no bullets are issued unless there's a specific
threat.

Ammunition will be held, usually, in a locked locker within a locked
room in the guard house and has to be signed for.

The regulations for issuing the stuff will lay down exactly when it
can be issued, and chances are that unless there are either intruders
on the base or gunfire or an explosion has been heard it won't be
issued.

Besides, British army soldiers on guard almost invariably have
pick-axe handles available, and those would have been adequate for
this.

> as for a twenty minute wait for armed Police

They have released the response times today. It was ten minutes

>I also think it is a bit sad that members of the public did not 'subdue' the
>attackers, there were plenty enough watching.

How do you 'subdue' a raving madman with a cleaver in one hand and a
large knife in the other?

[White Spirit]

On Thursday, 23 May 2013 13:51:22 UTC+1, DVH wrote:

> On 23/05/2013 13:17, White Spirit wrote:

> > It means that you don't belong anywhere near a compiler.

> That's a foolish attitude.

It's polemically meant.

> But I've seen the same from many
> representatives of alleged high skills trying to exclude new entrants
> from their guilds.

What you are referring to now certainly is a foolish attitude. I'm far more concerned about the numbers coming from overseas. A few do-it-yourself tinkerers aren't anything to worry about.

[White Spirit]

On Thursday, 23 May 2013 14:06:27 UTC+1, Bill wrote:

> How do you 'subdue' a raving madman with a cleaver in one hand and a
> large knife in the other?

In this case, a bucket of fried chicken would have done the trick.

[DVH]

Netbeans IDE is tinkering. Java isn't an exceptional skill.

If you were any good, you wouldn't need to worry about overseas invaders.

By "good" I mean capable not only of good code but also effective
networking, imagination, intelligent communication with the client, and
fast. It also helps to choose the right areas to specialise in.

Foreign invaders able to do all that are *very* rare.

[Farmer Giles]

I must make an exception here and respond. You are obviously light years
out of date, the days of pick-axe handles are long gone. I worked at an
RAF base fifteen years ago and there were armed guards all around - even
covering the married quarters - and all with live ammunition.

[Bill]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 14:23:40 +0100, Farmer Giles <gi...@nospam.com>
wrote:

Fifteen years ago they were all armed as a matter of routine, but
that was because of the IRA.

That threat has long gone.

About ten years ago pick-axe handles were certainly available at the
guard house at The School of Infantry in Warminster (behind the door
of 'Cell no.2') and the system for the issue of ammunition was as I
gave.

[Farmer Giles]

In which case your information is obviously more up to date than mine,
although I'd still be surprised - in light of terorist events in recent
years - if that is still the case.

[Fredxx]

On 23/05/2013 14:23, Farmer Giles wrote:
> On 23/05/2013 14:06, Bill wrote:

<snip>

>> Because they're obviously not routinely armed.
>>
>> They have guns but no bullets are issued unless there's a specific
>> threat.
>>
>> Ammunition will be held, usually, in a locked locker within a locked
>> room in the guard house and has to be signed for.
>>
>> The regulations for issuing the stuff will lay down exactly when it
>> can be issued, and chances are that unless there are either intruders
>> on the base or gunfire or an explosion has been heard it won't be
>> issued.
>>
>> Besides, British army soldiers on guard almost invariably have
>> pick-axe handles available, and those would have been adequate for
>> this.
>>
>>> as for a twenty minute wait for armed Police
>>
>> They have released the response times today. It was ten minutes
>>
>>> I also think it is a bit sad that members of the public did not
>>> 'subdue' the
>>> attackers, there were plenty enough watching.
>>
>> How do you 'subdue' a raving madman with a cleaver in one hand and a
>> large knife in the other?
>>
>
>
> I must make an exception here and respond. You are obviously light years
> out of date, the days of pick-axe handles are long gone. I worked at an
> RAF base fifteen years ago and there were armed guards all around - even
> covering the married quarters - and all with live ammunition.

So you were led to believe.

[Steve Firth]

Not so, pick drill seems to fill an inordinate number of hours for the Army
and Navy. No idea what the RAF gets up to.

> I worked at an RAF base fifteen years ago and there were armed guards all
> around - even covering the married quarters - and all with live ammunition.

Yeah you can't trust any of those RAF types.

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[Farmer Giles]

Not at all. I worked directly with RAF personnel, and I remember driving
through the camp one day with a sergeant I worked with, who had also
become a friend, and expressing surprise that the sentries all carried
weapons - I had been in the army in the sixties, when it was pick-axe
handles. I then asked him if they had live ammunition and he said, 'of
course'. Since he regularly did duty as 'guard commander' I think he
would have known!

[White Spirit]

On Thursday, 23 May 2013 14:22:30 UTC+1, DVH wrote:

> Netbeans IDE is tinkering. Java isn't an exceptional skill.

It depends what one does with it. It certainly seems to be far beyond your capacity.

> If you were any good, you wouldn't need to worry about overseas invaders.

It doesn't take a genius to observe that twenty people applying for a position is better than two hundred from the perspective of the applicant. Fortunately, not too many people bother with the language I specialise in these days but there are some nice opportunities with Java from time to time.

> By "good" I mean capable not only of good code but also effective
> networking, imagination, intelligent communication with the client, and
> fast. It also helps to choose the right areas to specialise in.

Someone who can't even compile a simple Java programme isn't in a position to pontificate on these matters.

> Foreign invaders able to do all that are *very* rare.

You are ten years out of date - and not just where this particular topic is concerned.

[DVH]

On 23/05/2013 15:59, White Spirit wrote:
> On Thursday, 23 May 2013 14:22:30 UTC+1, DVH wrote:
>
>> Netbeans IDE is tinkering. Java isn't an exceptional skill.
>
> It depends what one does with it. It certainly seems to be far
> beyond your capacity.
>
>> If you were any good, you wouldn't need to worry about overseas
>> invaders.
>
> It doesn't take a genius to observe that twenty people applying for a
> position is better than two hundred from the perspective of the
> applicant. Fortunately, not too many people bother with the language
> I specialise in these days

Scratch or Basic is it?

> but there are some nice opportunities with
> Java from time to time.

So you're not worried about foreign invaders after all. That was a quick
change of attitude.

>
>> By "good" I mean capable not only of good code but also effective
>> networking, imagination, intelligent communication with the client,
>> and fast. It also helps to choose the right areas to specialise
>> in.
>
> Someone who can't even compile a simple Java programme isn't in a
> position to pontificate on these matters.

See, there you go again protecting your guild even though I'm probably
not much of a threat to you despite my burgeoning Java skills.

You'll be demanding the government sets quotas next.

[White Spirit]

On Thursday, 23 May 2013 16:13:38 UTC+1, DVH wrote:

> On 23/05/2013 15:59, White Spirit wrote:

> > On Thursday, 23 May 2013 14:22:30 UTC+1, DVH wrote:

> >> Netbeans IDE is tinkering. Java isn't an exceptional skill.

> > It depends what one does with it. It certainly seems to be far
> > beyond your capacity.

> >> If you were any good, you wouldn't need to worry about overseas
> >> invaders.

> > It doesn't take a genius to observe that twenty people applying for a
> > position is better than two hundred from the perspective of the
> > applicant. Fortunately, not too many people bother with the language
> > I specialise in these days

> Scratch or Basic is it?

Actually, it's C++. You probably wouldn't find it good for your sense of well-being.

> > but there are some nice opportunities with
> > Java from time to time.

> So you're not worried about foreign invaders after all. That was a quick
> change of attitude.

That's not what I said, Divvy. Do try and use a bit of reading comprehension and application of rationale.

> >> By "good" I mean capable not only of good code but also effective
> >> networking, imagination, intelligent communication with the client,
> >> and fast. It also helps to choose the right areas to specialise
> >> in.

> > Someone who can't even compile a simple Java programme isn't in a
> > position to pontificate on these matters.

> See, there you go again protecting your guild even though I'm probably
> not much of a threat to you despite my burgeoning Java skills.

Perhaps you can explain how pointing out that your ignorance of Java invalidates your pontification on the subject constitutes protecting my 'guild'.

> You'll be demanding the government sets quotas next.

I already have a quota:

wspirit@cyp2d6:~$ quota -w
Disk quotas for user wspirit (uid 666):
Filesystem blocks quota limit grace files quota limit grace
/dev/mapper/midgard-home 1734860 2048000 2048000 10330 0 0

[Ophelia]

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1570107636391009773.969254%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...

Oi!
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[Mrcheerful]

half a dozen from each side, in a rush, will take down anyone and with luck
injuries to those involved will be minimal.

[Basil Jet]

On 2013\05\23 16:15, Ophelia wrote:
>
> Oi!

Can I apologise for the insensitive way that my newsreader hacks off
your signature.

--
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[Cynic]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 14:54:15 +0100, Farmer Giles <gi...@nospam.com>
wrote:

>> About ten years ago pick-axe handles were certainly available at the
>> guard house at The School of Infantry in Warminster (behind the door
>> of 'Cell no.2') and the system for the issue of ammunition was as I
>> gave.

>In which case your information is obviously more up to date than mine,
>although I'd still be surprised - in light of terorist events in recent
>years - if that is still the case.

The military are not authorised to carry out armed attacks on
civilians, even murderous civilians, unless they themselves are coming
under threat (or martial law has been declared).

--
Cynic

[Norman Wells]

Amazing, Ophelia! A really worthwhile comment.

[Farmer Giles]

I never said they were, that wasn't my point. I think what you are
attempting to respond to is what someone else said a while back. I was
simply responding to someone saying that sentries at military barracks
are not armed, and saying that in my experience they were - although it
may be that my experience is not completely up to date.

[Farmer Giles]

Stop stalking the poor girl, she means well.

[®i©ardo]

Because it was a "civil matter". Had they discharged their weapons and
death or injury resulted they'd have been arrested and charged.

as for a twenty minute wait for armed Police, that is pathetic.
> I also think it is a bit sad that members of the public did not 'subdue' the
> attackers, there were plenty enough watching.
>
>

You would have done, of course. Have you ever stood up to someone with a
gun?

--
Moving Things in Still Pictures!

[®i©ardo]

On 23/05/2013 07:56, charlie61Ltd wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 22:14:03 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 20:05:41 +0100, charlie61Ltd <char...@mail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 20:49:51 +0200, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 18:30:40 +0100, "Mentalguy2k8"
>>>> <Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Cassandra" <cassandr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:519cfe12...@news.virginmedia.com...
>>>>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:02:08 -0700 (PDT), True Blue
>>>>>> <garyb...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An excerpt from the Mail's story, in the patois of the urban
>>>>>>> immigrant;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Twitter user Boya Dee wrote: 'Ohhhhh myyyy God!!!! I just see a man
>>>>>>> with his head chopped off right in front of my eyes!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Oh my God!!!! The way Feds took them out!!! It was a female police
>>>>>>> officer she come out the whip and just started bussssin shots!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Mate ive seen alot of s*** im my time but that has to rank sumwhere
>>>>>>> in the top 3. I couldnt believe my eyes. That was some movie s***.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He added: 'The two black bredas run this white guy over over then hop
>>>>>>> out the car and start chopping mans head off with machete!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is of course very telling a young black man living in London sees
>>>>>> someone being beheaded and two others shot and thinks he might have
>>>>>> seen two other things that were worse
>>>>>
>>>>> Judging by his literacy skills, I wouldn't think his maths was shit hot
>>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>> excellent creative english as taught by an ethnically sensitive
>>>> english teacher....
>>>
>>> CNN is showing all the videos including close up's of one of those
>>> involved.
>>> Apparently he talks like a londoner.
>>
>> Sky News are as well, he sounds like he was brought up here.
>
> Nigeria?
>

Woolwich!

[Ophelia]

"Farmer Giles" <gi...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:5vSdnSpZzo-g3QPM...@brightview.co.uk...

lol don't worry Farmer, I am used to his spiteful comments. As for his
own 'worthwhile comment' ... <g>

BYW Have you ever read his posts in uk.legal.moderated? He tries to
correct experienced and well qualified lawyers ... <g> Always good for a
laugh:)

Incidentally he knows he is in my kf ... make of that what you will:) Thank
your for your kind thoughts Farmer, they are appreciated:)
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[Steve Firth]

Ah looks like I've scared a Brylcreem sniffer out of the woodwork.

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[Ophelia]

"Basil Jet" <no...@none.spamspam.com> wrote in message
news:519e3b80$0$1093$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk...

> On 2013\05\23 16:15, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> Oi!
>
> Can I apologise for the insensitive way that my newsreader hacks off your
> signature.

You may indeed!
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[Mrcheerful]

Half a dozen people can take out one man with minimal risk by approaching
from both sides, whichever way he faces away from move in fast, there were
dozens of people about.

[Cynic]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 18:05:16 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
<g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>Half a dozen people can take out one man with minimal risk by approaching
>from both sides, whichever way he faces away from move in fast, there were
>dozens of people about.

Pity you weren't there to organise them and approach from the
direction he was pointing the gun.

I can however tell you that I would not have been standing around
doing nothing. I would have been getting the heck away as fast as
possible. But that's because it doesn't take me any time whatsoever
to decide whether to be a live coward or a dead hero. YMMV.

--
Cynic

[Blue]

On 23/05/2013 18:05, Mrcheerful wrote:

> Half a dozen people can take out one man with minimal risk by approaching
> from both sides, whichever way he faces away from move in fast, there were
> dozens of people about.

And your back up is what?

Mums buying nappies and unemployed lads buying tea bags?

Some fighting force.

So there you go, into the valley. Never mind
you've only lost 6 with bullet wounds the
charge continues with what the kids you have left.
But oh dear, one is carving his way through most
of your outfit and the other guy has pulled out
a machine gun and an explosive vest. Never mind,
keep on charging... you'll get a medal. WHAM !
Well who knew the car was rigged as well.

[Ophelia]

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message

news:716349037391019765.329146%steve%-mallo...@news.eternal-september.org...

Like watch it pal!

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[Bill]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 14:54:15 +0100, Farmer Giles <gi...@nospam.com>

They're also not allowed to use their guns unless direct threat.

Now what constitutes a direct threat is never released as their 'rules
of engagement' are considered a secret, but I would imagine that
moving from their barracks into a public place without a direct
request for assistance from 'the civil power' would be a no-no...

[Death To Terrorists]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 16:34:47 +0100, "Mrcheerful" <g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk>

Ensuring of course that a foot accidentally crushes the bollocks of the offender
totally flat such that they can never breed when some fuckwit liberal lets them
loose on the streets again

--

[Bill]

You reckon these two are ever going to get out?

It was all far too public for that.

[Mrcheerful]

It was two morons with limited equipment.
it was outside a barracks full of soldiers, perhaps they might have got
involved.

[®i©ardo]

On 23/05/2013 18:05, Mrcheerful wrote:

Minimal risk? Have you seen just how much damage a determined individual
can do against great odds, particularly if he doesn't give a toss about
getting hurt or dying?

You have no idea.

[®i©ardo]

You have no idea.

[Max Muir]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:22:30 AM UTC-7, DVH wrote:
> On 23/05/2013 14:11, White Spirit wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, 23 May 2013 13:51:22 UTC+1, DVH wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> On 23/05/2013 13:17, White Spirit wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>> It means that you don't belong anywhere near a compiler.
>
> >
>
> >> That's a foolish attitude.
>
> >
>
> > It's polemically meant.
>
> >
>
> >> But I've seen the same from many
>
> >> representatives of alleged high skills trying to exclude new entrants
>
> >> from their guilds.
>
> >
>
> > What you are referring to now certainly is a foolish attitude. I'm far more concerned about the numbers coming from overseas. A few do-it-yourself tinkerers aren't anything to worry about.

>
> >
>
>
>
> Netbeans IDE is tinkering. Java isn't an exceptional skill.
>
>
>

> If you were any good, you wouldn't need to worry about overseas invaders.
>
>
>

> By "good" I mean capable not only of good code but also effective
>
> networking, imagination, intelligent communication with the client, and
>
> fast. It also helps to choose the right areas to specialise in.
>
>

> Foreign invaders able to do all that are *very* rare.

Hi DVH,

was wondering how you are getting on.

(i) Open NetBeans IDE 7.1
(ii) File > New Project
- when New Project window opens
Category = Java
Project = Java Application
- click 'Next'
(iii) when 'New Java Application' panel opens, click 'Finish' button.
You should now have a new Java project, which in my case is called
'JavaApplication6'.

NetBeans unhelpfully creates a new class called 'JavaApplication6.java'
which we should ignore.

(iv) Right mouse click on Project JavaApplication6.
New > Java Class

(v) When the New Java Class panel appears, change Class Name to DVH
and click the Finish button.

(vi) Select all text in the editor and paste in the source code from
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en-GB&fromgroups#!msg/uk.politics.misc/6zcjmkfYArU/lJwX6HIm3xEJ

(vii) Fix the package error by either commenting out the package statement
(the first line), or by doing Alt - Enter and selecting the 'Move class to
correct folder' option.

(viii) Click in the editor window with the right mouse button, and select
'Run File'.

The programme output will be printed in the Console window 'Output - JavaApplication6 (run)'.

Your homework, should you choose to accept it, is to explain why there are
amber lightbulbs in the left hand margin of the editor on every line that
declares a StringBuilder instance, and make them go away.

Max

[Death To Terrorists]

A prison sentance in the UK isn't ever remotely like what the judge said at the
trial, nor what common sense or the public demands.

Pity the cops didn't put the lead in their heads and save the cost of funding
the money grabbing liberal cunts who will defend them in court.

--

[Bill]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 10:04:18 +0100, Death To Terrorists

<hangthe...@home.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 23 May 2013 22:49:43 +0100, Bill <black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 23 May 2013 22:32:51 +0100, Death To Terrorists
>><hangthe...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 23 May 2013 16:34:47 +0100, "Mrcheerful" <g.odon...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Bill wrote:
>>>
>>>>> How do you 'subdue' a raving madman with a cleaver in one hand and a
>>>>> large knife in the other?
>>>>
>>>>half a dozen from each side, in a rush, will take down anyone and with luck
>>>>injuries to those involved will be minimal.
>>>
>>>Ensuring of course that a foot accidentally crushes the bollocks of the offender
>>>totally flat such that they can never breed when some fuckwit liberal lets them
>>>loose on the streets again
>>
>>You reckon these two are ever going to get out?
>>
>>It was all far too public for that.
>
>A prison sentance in the UK isn't ever remotely like what the judge said at the
>trial, nor what common sense or the public demands.
>

And these tow haven't a chance of seeing the sky without bars in the
way for the next thirty years.

>Pity the cops didn't put the lead in their heads and save the cost of funding
>the money grabbing liberal cunts who will defend them in court.

Now why exactly do you think they weren't shot dead dead dead?

[DVH]

Moving targets about 5 yards away with, in one case, a car door in the
way most of the time.

[Bill]

I watched the film, the cops were still putting the odd bullet into
them when they were down but still twitching, which seems quite
logical when you remember that one of them had a gun.

[DVH]

They're a tough lot, these Kenyans.

[DVH]

Ah, but in his dreams he has very big ideas.

[®i©ardo]

On 25/05/2013 16:32, DVH wrote:

For his sake I hope he never joins the real world!