To Steve Glynn on racial discrimination
MikeinCamden
squeezed. As I've pointed out here before, the situation of white people in
Britain increasingly resembles that of the Jews in early Nazi Germany
particularly in the rigging of job availability.
You should post this file regularly.
phil
"MikeinCamden" <mikein...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030206162141...@mb-de.aol.com...
can you post a google link and tinyurl(.com) it ?
S-X-B
mikein...@aol.com says...
> A really excellent and frightening file from HWake about how whites are being
> squeezed. As I've pointed out here before, the situation of white people in
> Britain increasingly resembles that of the Jews in early Nazi Germany
> particularly in the rigging of job availability.
FFS, are you serious? If you are, then I pity you. How can you compare
what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany to 'the situation of white
people in Britain'? Talk about crass comparisons... laughable.
> You should post this file regularly.
To let us all see how stupid you make yourself look.
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S-X-B
http://www.combovers.co.uk/open.html
http://www.talkingpresidents.com/
해l
Here is my reply to your reply, which I found by doing a search.
Here are the notes for my article, with statistics, followed by your
reply to my previous posting, with my responses.
I am sorry it is so long and some of it is repeated. I haven't got
time to sort it out. But please read all of it. It is very
important.
The first item in the list, which shows disproportionately few English
students and employees, is from an article in the Sunday Times which
was about "institutional racism". Astonishingly, the writer claimed
that these statistics were good news on institutional racism! I wrote
to her (I think it was a her) and asked how on earth these examples,
which, if reversed, would be taken as proof of institutional racism,
could be construed as denying institutional racism. I didn't get a
reply.
Almost all of these were reports in newspapers. A few were reports
from people who witnessed the events. For example, traffic wardens
have been seen by relatives of mine watching Asians illegally parking
then deliberately turning and walking away. Similarly, these
relatives have seen a policeman watching a carload of Asians being
driven very dangerously and when my relative asked what he was going
to do about it, he replied that he was not going to do anything
because he did not want to be murdered.
In reply to Welsh Witch, no this wasn't anywhere on internet because I
never finished the paper ? indeed it never can be finished because the
discrimination goes on and on and gets worse. We despair.
ANTI-WHITE DISCRIMINATION IN BRITAIN
In 1999 ethnic minorities comprised around 5.5% of Britain's 55
million population
(Sunday Times 28.2.99)
Training
Law: 1n 1998 25% of those enrolling on the bar vocational course to
become barristers were black or Asian. (ST 28.2.99)
In 1988 (sic) ethnic minorities made up 20% of students in the Law
Society
and 16% of trainees registering with law firms; ethnic minorities also
account for
16% of barristers starting pupillage and 12% gaining tenancies (Times
16.3.99).
Medicine: 23% of those now entering medical school to train as doctors
are non-white. (ST 28.2.99)
University: 12% of all students registered as British are black or
Asian. (ST 28.2.99)
The Cabinet Office, the Prison Service and Shell offer special
university scholarships exclusively to black and Asian students, and
the Metropolitan Police intends to do the same (Evening Standard
9.3.99). A. Yacoub of the Metropolitan Police "Positive Action Team"
writes (April 99) that this is to take the form of financial and other
support to black and Asian undergraduates in their final year of
study.
Diplomatic Service: 9% of entrants are from the ethnic minorities, but
in a House of Lords debate the Government was asked what they were
going to do to further disadvantage whites (Radio 4 Yesterday in
Parliament, 23.3.99).
Times September 18 2000 ETHNIC minority civil servants will be trained
in interview techniques as part of a programme to enable them to win
top Whitehall jobs. Talented blacks and Asians at all levels in the
Civil Service will be singled out by senior civil servants and given
mock interviews, psychometric tests and courses on the latest
interview practices at a new career development centre.
Employment
Law: Of solicitors now entering the profession, 15.8% are black and
8.5% of all barristers are now non-white. (ST 28.2.99)
Medicine: In London, where there are 20% blacks and Asians in the
population, 29% of nurses and 31% of doctors come from ethnic
minorities. (ST 28.2.99)
Media: BBC staff are 7.4% black and Asian. Channel 4 employs 9.4%.
(ST 28.2.99
)
Education: 7% of secondary school teachers are now of ethnic origin
(sic). (ST 28.2.99)
London education authorities offer automatic interviews to applicants
from members of ethnic minorities, but not to whites.
13% of British Airways staff is non-white. (ST 28.2.99)
9.5% of Marks and Spencer is ethnic (sic). (ST 28.2.99)
Citizens Advice Bureau employment policy is to give special
encouragement to "blacks and members of ethnic minorities", but not to
whites, in promotion.
It has been reported that 70% of the Commission for Racial Equality's
employees are non-white.
Unemployment
Since 1993 ethnic (sic) unemployment has dropped by 8%, compared with
only 3% for whites. (ST 28.2.99)
Earnings
Black women on average now earn more than their white counterparts -
£6.10 an hour as opposed to £5.19 an hour. (ST 28.2.99)
Indian men also earn more than whites, earning on average £9.22 an
hour, compared with £9.10 for whites. (ST. 28.2.99)
Professional Organisations
There appear to be no professional organisations for the benefit of
whites, but there are many set up for the exclusive benefit of blacks
and Asians, for example:
Black Police Officers Association
Association of Black Lawyers
Association of Asian Businessmen
Minority Lawyers Conference (Times, 16.3.99)
These organisations gain a disproportionate influence in the media and
Government.
Networking and pressure groups and Charities
These are just a few examples. Many similar organisations are funded
from the Lottery.
Association of Blind Asians (London)
Care-Frica (Liverpool) for blacks and "ethnics"
Stephen Lawrence Trust, for black architectural students, to which the
Government has contributed £300,000 (March 1999)
Stephen Lawrence Family Campaign
The Chronicle: Changing Black Britain, internet magazine
Camden Black Parents and Teachers Association
Black Multimedia
198 Gallery, for black artists
Blacknet UK
Black Living, a magazine for black women
BBC Online Network Asia, for Asian communities in Britain
Nation of Islam
The Asian Business Network is an organisation dedicated to proactively
promoting the educational, social, moral and economic interests of all
people of Indian and subcontinental origin.
Islami Centre, the Muslim Doctors' and Dentists' Association, the
Muslim Women's Helpline and the Muslim Council of Britain.
In 1999 the Commission for Racial Equality reported that of the
373,000 people who said they had been the victim of racial offences,
62% were white, which presents a picture rather different from the
impression we are given by the media, who assume that only members of
ethnic minorities can be victims of racial attacks (and see below for
comments from the Chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality).
CRE Chairman, Herman Ouseley, commenting on the fact that the vast
majority of victims of racial attacks are white, said that they are
being prejudiced if they interpret an attack as being racially
motivated.
26.8.00
Devon and Cornwall police have been told to give priority to crimes
against blacks and Asians, i.e. that if two similar crimes are
reported at the same time, one against blacks, and one against
"whites" then the one against blacks must have higher priority. An
applicant to Hampshire police force, who had been a devoted special
constable for years, was failed in his entrance examinations because
he put a serious traffic accident at a higher priority than a theft
from a shop owned by a member of an ethnic minority where the culprit
was on video and known to the police and no one was hurt and the
culprit had gone. Again, even where serious injury to probably
English people (this is Hampshire) must give precedence to any
incident whatever in which an ethnic minority is involved.
Police are reluctant to approach blacks and Asians. For example, a
policeman in Leicester, when asked why he would not do anything about
the fact that a speeding car load of Asians had nearly caused a bad
accident, said "I don't want to get killed". This was said to a
relative of mine.
Traffic wardens are also reluctant to book blacks and Asians, and they
have been known to deliberately turn a blind eye to parking offences
by blacks and Asians, while at the same time they are quite happy to
book whites. Witnessed by a relative.
Whites are to be excluded from new civilian advisory panels set up by
the Metropolitan Police for all controversial race murders in London
(Evening Standard 9.3.99).
The Home Office has confirmed that 64% more in overall resources and
35% more in officer days have been devoted to solving the murders of
black victims as compared with white victims. In 1997-98 the overall
clear-up rate for murders was 24.9%. But if the victim was black, the
clear-up rate was 41.4%.
White teenager Richard Everitt was murdered by Asian racists. His
attackers have not been convicted, but there has been no public
enquiry.
Leisure Facilities & Entertainment
A Leicester sports centre operates a colour bar against whites on some
evenings. Reported by Leicestershire resident.
It has been suggested (March 1999), that members of ethnic minorities,
exclusively, should be given discounted membership of football clubs.
In 1998 Luton council informed a group of old people that they could
no longer use their day centre because they were white and it was now
reserved exclusively for Afro-Caribbeans. Reported in local Luton
newspaper and local radio.
In 1998 a new housing area in Leicester was provided with no leisure
facilities because the residents are white. However, a site in this
area was sold off cheaply to Asians so that they could build a mosque
and a Hindu temple. Reported in local Leicester newspaper.
Leicester libraries restrict access for non-Moslem men, because Moslem
women have been given women-only days.
Daily Telegraph 5.6.00: Lottery plan to aid black film-makers Culture
ministers want films made by ethnic minorities and featuring black
actors to receive a higher proportion of public funding.
Health Service
New duties imposed on the National Health Service are intended to have
the effect of improving services for patients from ethnic minorities
only. Muslim women experience difficulty in being treated by men in
obstetrics and gynaecology. No consideration is apparently to be
given to the feelings of white women. While Muslim women are to be
encouraged to refuse treatment from men, white patients are to be
discouraged from refusing treatment from black health professionals.
Daily Telegraph, 29.8.00 THE storm over whether foreign doctors should
have to speak English reveals the truly frightening extent to which
political correctness is distorting public policy. One would have
thought that, in an area where lives are at stake, the question of
whether foreigners might be offended would take second place to the
effective treatment of ill people.
Racism in education
As Peregrine Worsthorne said on BBC R4, Hindsight, 10th October 1999:
there has been "a giant thirty-year exercise in social engineering
through the educational system, which has resulted, as it was intended
to do, in what can only be described as the de-anglicisation of the
British people. So as to make the coloured immigrants love their
country more, the native English had to be taught to love it less. So
as to encourage immigrants to put down new roots in British soil, the
natives had to be encouraged to pull their old ones up."
Sunday 10 September 2000 Sunday Telegraph
PUPILS should be required to attend Sikh, Hindu and Muslim school
assemblies headteachers are to tell the Government. The Secondary
Heads' Association claims that assemblies in the minority faiths will
make pupils more tolerant of other ethnic groups. It says that the
change would be particularly "beneficial" in rural districts and
provincial towns, where there are relatively few ethnic minority
pupils. John Dunford, the general secretary of the Secondary Heads'
Association, called for removing the emphasis on Christianity and said
"Assemblies are an enormously powerful way of influencing children's
behaviour."
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Sunday Times August 27 2000 As chief adviser on the curriculum,
Nicholas Tate found himself fighting teachers over national identity
Churchill, Elizabeth I, Shakespeare and the Bayeux tapestry are part
of a heritage many teachers associate with xenophobia and try to keep
out of classrooms
They come not to praise England but to bury it
Over the past few years, as the government's chief adviser on the
school curriculum, I have spoken on many occasions about national
identity and education. My abiding memory of these years, is the
distrust, hostility and irrationality that my almost neurotically
cautious comments have sometimes provoked. Early on I came to the
conclusion that there was such a widespread association between
national identity, patriotism, nationalism, xenophobia and racism that
it was impossible to talk about the first two without being accused of
all the rest. A recent survey showed that while 57% of French children
felt glad they were French only 35% of English children were proud of
their nationality. Over the years a range of incidents has sapped my
confidence that the cultural and political intentions of the national
curriculum will necessarily be converted into reality: a poetry
anthology derided because it focused on the English literary heritage
(the inclusion of Wordsworth's Daffodils occasioning particular
outcry); a teacher telling me it was racist to devote 50% of the
history curriculum to British history; a lecturer instructing teachers
that their role was to educate a "generation of cosmopolitans"; a
college principal explaining that she did not regret her students
being unable to observe Remembrance Day given that it was an event
that involved "an implied unity which I'm not sure everyone can sign
up to". In a recent survey of the views of European history teachers'
associations, England was part of a small minority that did not
consider heritage important, did not want to pay much attention to
national heroes and queried whether national identity was even a
legitimate concept in a diverse society. The views I have quoted may
be those of an intellectual minority, but it is a minority absolutely
convinced of its own rightness.
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Right Now! Early 2000
The forgotten victims
J F Cronin does not accept "official drivel" when considering crime
and ethnicity in south London.
Grossly offensive to all our readership?
At the end of September 1999 an announcement appeared in the Daily
Telegraph, and other papers, of a journalistic prize to he awarded in
memory of the late reporter Martha Gelhorn. The prize would he
awarded for a journalistic piece that told an "unpalatable truth,
validated by powerful facts" and which "exposes establishment conduct
and its propaganda, or "official drivel" as Martha called it". The
announcement was signed by various of the great and good of
contemporary journalism, including John Pilger.
J F Cronin was thus inspired to write the following article, which he
submitted to Mr Peter Wilby, John Pilger's editor at the New
Statesman. Although the article appears to meet all the required
criteria, Mr Wilby's response was to denounce it, saying it would be
"grossly offensive" to virtually all of his readership. The article
was duly turned down by the Spectator, the Sunday Times and the South
London Press. The article was about "white" victims of black crime ?
readers would find this "grossly offensive"? Why exactly?
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On a BBC Radio 4 Holiday Programme a panel discussed British tourism
in India. This was generally agreed to be a Bad Thing because it
caused Cultural Pollution. One man, an Indian, said that he thought
it would be a jolly Good Thing if Britain became more Indian. British
tourism in India = cultural pollution (bad). Indian colonisation of
Britain = multiculturalism (good).
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A "punter" on the BBC Radio 4 programme Punters, wanted to know why,
in London schools, all sorts of foreign cultures are taught, but not
English. He asked the (black) leader of education policy whether they
would consider teaching, for example, English music and dance. He was
flatly told "No", without even the courtesy of an explanation. The
presenters of the programme pronounced that such a thing would be
quite unacceptable.
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"Newspapers have to sell in order to live. That leaves the BBC as the
only true public service medium in this country disseminating?in the
case of race relations, propaganda. We are unashamed to admit it is
what we are doing." Gary Hines, BBC Programme Organiser, Race Today.
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A representative of the racist magazine Searchlight on BBC Radio 5
Live ?phone-in on the "far-right and racism" on 24.3.99 admitted that
there was a media conspiracy to keep those opposed to immigration and
multiculturalism off the air.
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ANTI-RACIST POSTER CAMPAIGN TARGETS RIOTERS ANTI-RACIST POSTERS
LAUNCHED, 14/08/01 A poster campaign has been launched in areas of
Oldham hit by recent riots. The posters show four bags of blood taken
from people of different ethnic origins.It says: "Racists. Your child
needs a pint of blood, choose the white one." Giving the racist
implication that only "whites" are racist. Most of the trouble has
been caused by Asians.
Similarly, all cartoons in the Spectator depicting muggers portray
them as white. Most muggers are black.
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The Linguist an article on The Challenge of Bilingual Children, i.e.
in Britain which talks about the burden of so many languages having to
be catered for in London schools and the cost of it
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"Britons can be free only as Britons.
The epithet 'racist' is being worked to death.
Sir Alfred Sherman discusses the issues involved in immigration.
Freedom Today, Jn/Jly 2000
This nation is under threat as never before: much of the threat comes
from inside, and questions the nation's right to exist as a politico-
demographic entity, ie its very existence, aiming to replace nation by
a so-called ,multi racial or multi-cultural society'.
The attacks are both ideological and political, also both theoretical
and practical. They include: mass immigration of unassimilable
migrants (immigrants legal, illegal and fraudulent - and so-called
asylum-seekers) with their own loyalties; so-called
'multiculturalism', never defined but more accurately described as
deculturation or de-racination and denial of nationdom: and violent
denunciation of all manifestations of nationalism and national
consciousness and desire to stem the flood of migrants as 'racism' or
'xenophobia', to be the target of sanctions. The nation's defence
therefore entails ideological, cultural and spiritual dimensions no
less than the political.
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Times 22.6.00
Immigration will not ease our burden
BY DAVID COLEMAN
Look after women, and population will look after itself. The "easy"
option of encouraging even more immigration is short-term opportunism.
It evades hard decisions and ignores harmful consequences.
David Coleman is Reader in Demography, University of Oxford.
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From Daily Mail, 28.6.00
"Linda Lee-Potter:
This anti-racism is just a bridge too far
On the day the Millennium bridge opened there was a huge queue. Police
officers were controlling the crowds when a black family arrived and
pushed their way straight to the front of the queue. Understandably,
people were irritated. A friend of mine, who was there with his wife
and children, said to one of the police officers, "You can't let that
happen". The officer said, "I'm sorry sir, I haven't seen anything".
He then looked down and was clearly embarrassed.
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Daily Mail June 20th 2000
" Hollywood's new War of Independence
(or how political correctness abuses history and always makes the
English the movie villains)
by Paul Johnson
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Why it's open season to bash the Brits
by Kevin Myers
Sunday Telegraph 9.7.00
With yet another essay in Anglophobia issuing from Hollywood's
cinematic pen in The Patriot, in which Mel Gibson plays a heroic
American fighting a British Empire which rules by rape and ransack,
English people - and non-English too - might fairly ask, where will
this Brit-bashing stop? (Within the curious rules of the Anglophobic
genre, Brit always equals English.)
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School inspectors to be trained on race
Will Woodward, Education editor
Thursday July 20, 2000
The Guardian The CRE report, published yesterday but leaked to the
Guardian on Monday, said Ofsted was failing to take seriously its
responsibilities on race. It made 31 recommendations, including
calling on Ofsted to pay for interpreters at pre-inspection meetings
where parents do not speak English. Ofsted should also include
comments on racial equality in the section of its inspection reports
sent to parents, and race awareness training should be updated. The
authors, Audrey Osler and Marlene Morrison. In a letter, Prof Osler
told Mr Woodhead that one senior inspector had remarked: "Race
equality is not a priority. Our priority is underachieving white
boys." Mr Woodhead replied: "I am, frankly, surprised by the statement
allegedly made to you that 'our priority is underachieving white
boys'. Our priority is underachievement, full stop."
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Ian Black in Brussels Friday July 28, 2000The Guardian
The European Union could admit up to 75m immigrants over the next
half-century and must be prepared to become a racially hybrid society,
according to a paper drawn up by France. Jean-Pierre Chevènement, the
French interior minister, produced the document for a meeting of EU
ministers in Marseille today. Citizens of the EU should be told, the
paper says, that Europe will become an area of "cross-fertilisation" (
métissage ). Diplomats expressed surprise at the blunt language of the
text, which avoids any suspicion of Anglo-Saxon political correctness
to argue that with declining fertility and birthrates, the issue of
legal immigration into the EU must be tackled. "Public opinion must be
told clearly that Europe, a land of immigration, will become a place
where cross-fertilisation occurs," says the document. Métissage also
translates as cross-breeding. "Public opinion needs to be enlightened
and convinced, and more so in countries of recent immigration than
others." But it adds: "To allow access is not to renounce all forms of
control. Ensuring cross-fertilisation requires a careful and
controlling hand, in immigration terms." "We need to look
imaginatively at how to meet the legal desire for immigration," said a
Home Office official in London last night.
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Trades Union Congress Black Workers Conference
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25% of entrants to Law and Medicine courses are Asian
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2001 , lost the reference.
in the midlands the Scouts
had applied to the local council to hold their usual St. George's Day
parade, which they had been doing for years, but the local Asians
applied to
the council to stop it..
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BLACK and Asian fans could be granted match tickets set aside for
ethnic minorities under controversial government guidelines. The
government's working group on football disorder, chaired by Lord
Bassam, the Home Office minister, reports that selling as many season
tickets as possible to home fans is stifling "ethnic diversity". It
wants clubs to reduce the season tickets available and sell match
tickets through black and Asian organisations. The move will anger
fans who do not consider themselves racist or violent, yet could be
penalised for being white. Sunday Times 8th April 2001
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www.dailytelegraph.com/leaders 13.4.01
consider yourself to be "White English" or "White Welsh", you may be
disappointed, because the census fails to recognise such a category
(though you can be "White Scottish" and "White Irish").
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The Independent Apr 6, 2001
astonishment that TB - a disease normally associated with Victorian
slums - had come back to haunt 21st century Britain.
There was anger that the outbreak had been linked with Evington's
large Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi populations and suggestions
that the TB may have been brought from the sub-continent, where it is
endemic. Despite the danger presented to the natives by bringing in
diseases, Raj Patel, 37, a restaurant owner and member of the East
Leicester Indian Community Association, said of reporting it: "I think
it smacks of racism." Note there does not appear to be any East
Leicester English Community Association to speak for us.
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Daily Mail letter from a white Jamaican immigrant married to a pale
North African, liviing in Leicester. She said in the maternity ward
where she gave birth recently there were two white (or whitish) babies
and one Asian. Only the Asian baby was given a BCG innoculation. The
writer asked for it for her baby but was refused. The reason given
was that Asian babies have more contact with TB because their
relatives travel to and from India. The writer pointed out that her
baby was at risk because she mixed with Asians. She said her previous
baby had been born in Paris, where all babies are routinely given BCG
innoculations. 4.4.01
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Jack Straw stated in his presentation concerning his recent
Race Relations Proposals that he wishes to: "create a society in which
no major culture would be recognised." March 01.
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Guardian 24.2.01
Diversity Mentoring UK is a new organisation which has been set up to
address this situation. It runs two schemes: InterAct for students
with disabilities and InterFace for UK black and Asian students. The
schemes are available to both undergraduates and postgraduates, and
put participants in touch with mentors relevant to their chosen
profession. Developed and managed by the University of Manchester and
UMIST Careers Service, the two schemes are now available at nine
universities throughout the north-west and will be expanding to other
areas soon.
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Read this in conjunction with doing an internet search for the
charities which are set up to serve exclusively ethnic minorities:
Council cuts aid for 'too white' charity Daily Telegraph 13.12.96
FOR more than 13 years volunteers of the Islington Churches
Bereavement Service have counselled those in the north London borough
who have lost close relatives.
It had never knowingly discriminated against anyone wanting free,
long-term help and comfort: a parent who had lost a child, a wife or
husband whose spouse had died or a brother or sister who had lost a
sibling, although its largest number of "clients" were white women.
This was not an unremarkable fact in a part of London where, according
to the last Census, 81.1 per cent of the 164,686 population was white
and only 10.6 per cent black and 3.5 per cent Asian.
Yet the service, a small charity, is facing the loss of a third of its
annual income after encountering the "absurd political correctness" of
the "new" Labour councillors who run Islington Council. They have
proposed to cut the whole of its annual £9,510 grant.
One of its problems was that it failed to meet "departmental
priorities on mental health service" provision "to address the
specific needs of black and ethnic minority communities, non-English
speaking people, refugees, children and young people with mental
health problems."
According to a council report, under the heading "Equalities
Implications", although the council accepted that the service was open
to all it was "generally taken up by white women. There are some
disabled users (five per cent). Users from black and ethnic minorities
are under-represented".
The report, written for members of Islington's neighbourhood services
committee, concluded: "Reduction of service in this area is likely to
have little effect on black and ethnic minority." I SEE. A REDUCTION
IN SERVICE WHICH HAPPENS TO BE USED BY WHITES IS NOT DEEMED TO BE
IMPORTANT!
Not surprisingly, the assertion that mostly white women used the
bereavement service and the ethnic minorities were under-represented
among its "clients" has angered the service, which has accused the
council of using a "political correctness smokescreen" as
justification to cover the withdrawal of the grant. The service,
according to an opposition councillor in the borough where Tony Blair,
the Labour leader lives, has been "condemned by the facts of life".
Although its work will continue - the service has some cash reserves -
it will start encountering severe financial problems within 12-18
months without a substantial fund-raising campaign to make up the loss
of the council's grant.
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According to Lydia Constantinou, the £9,000-a-year co-ordinator, the
service offered "high quality" counselling to anyone who required it.
She said: "I am under no doubt that our work prevents some vulnerable
people from suffering mental health problems. It is a life-saver for
many people. Yet the council seems to have swept that aside in a
smokescreen of political correctness.
"We know the council is having to review its grants to many voluntary
bodies because it has to make substantial savings. That is an
unfortunate fact of life. But it would have been far better if it had
simply told us it could not afford to fund us any longer, instead of
using spurious arguments about us primarily seeing only white women.
We will see anyone who wants our help, whatever gender, age or race
they are. It is a fact of life that most people in Islington are
white."
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Sunday 5 November 2000 (probably Sunday Telegraph)
Give up church jobs for blacks, demands bishop
By Chris Hastings and Jonathan Petre
AN Anglican Bishop has called on white parishioners to give up their
positions on church bodies to members of ethnic minority communities.
The Bishop of Woolwich, the Rt Rev Colin Buchanan, wants a programme
of positive discrimination to wipe out what he believes is widespread
racism within the Church of England. Bishop Buchanan, an area bishop
in Southwark, told The Telegraph: "Members of the ethnic minority
communities are under-represented within bodies of the church and that
is a problem which has to be addressed." The Rt Rev Buchanan said: "I
think there is a need for white people on church boards and councils
to stand down in favour of candidates from an ethnic background
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Telegraph Sunday 24 December 2000
Christians losing out to ethnic groups, say Tories
CHRISTIAN groups are discriminated against in favour of black and
Asian organisations when applying for state financing, a senior
Conservative MP claimed yesterday.
Andrew Rowe: 'It's very hard to get money from local government if
you're a Christian organisation'
In the Tory party's latest attack on the damaging effects of
"political correctness", Andrew Rowe, the MP for Faversham and Mid
Kent, told The Telegraph that church charities were being routinely
penalised when applying to Labour councils for local authority grants
while ethnic minority groups were much more successful.
Mr Rowe, who is considered to be on the Left of the party, said: "It
is very hard to get money from local government if you are a Christian
organisation. If you go to central government they say, 'We are sorry,
but you are Christian'. But if you are a minority organisation, you
can get it more easily.
"The black Christian churches have the same problem. If you are a
black group applying for money, you would get it for being black but
not for being Christian. If I was advising a black Christian group
wanting money, I would say that they must present themselves as a
black community group and not as a Christian organisation."
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Church leaders yesterday backed the Tory party's stance. The Rev Steve
Chalke, a Baptist minister who is leading a campaign against the
treatment Christians encounter when applying for public funds, said:
"It is political correctness and equality for everyone unless you are
Christian."
Each year the Government allocates more than £100 million, much of it
through local authorities, to charities and community groups that help
combat drugs, crime and hooliganism. There have been cases where
Christian groups have been refused funding because councils have ruled
that their moral stance on issues such as homosexuality was
unacceptable.
However, a spokesman for the Home Office, which has a £19 million
annual budget for community grants, said: "The funding we award is
equally open to any religious or faith-based organisation."
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BLONKING
Ie getting blacks on camera.
"voters of the future" display in Westminster Hall, c 2000 ? of
approximately 10 faces, only about 3 were English.
"Welcome" poster in schools ? of about 20 faces shown, none are
English.
All public information pamphlets re education, careers, health, have
on the front disproportionately few English faces and those are
usually in the background.
On a Talk Radio phone-in, hosted by Scott Chisholm, Indian journalist
Mihir Bose had been commenting on the "low" numbers of blacks and
Asians in, as examples, radio and the law, when a caller pointed out
that on television, blacks and Asians seem to be over represented,
giving as an example a quiz show in which 33% of the contestants
regularly are blacks or Asians. Both Mihir Bose and Scott Chisholm
immediately rounded on the caller and told him that he should not
notice what colour they are.
THE ARTS: Broadcasters screen out the elderly: TELEVISION: At least
one population group is woefully under-represented, says Christopher
Dunkley
Financial Times; Apr 11, 2001
Yet again this week we are told that television fails to give fair
representation to people with dark skins. Having spent years in the
questionable business of counting heads on screen according to the
colour of their faces, even organisations such as the Commission for
Racial Equality have given up the straightforward complaint that
percentages are unrepresentative. Why? Because their own figures show
that in a population with fewer than 7 per cent ethnic minorities,
television has more than 8 per cent of ethnic faces. However that is
not enough to make Gurbux Singh, chairman of the commission, happy.
Writing in The Guardian on Monday he claimed that the organisation's
latest television research shows that "the balance of people that we
see on our screens does not reflect that in the community".
Chapman Pincher, Kintbury, Berks
Re: Camera colours
Date: 11 January 2001
SIR - Andrew Thomson suggests that the over-representation of racial
minorities in BBC television programmes conveys the false impression
that immigrant minorities already constitute at least 25 per cent of
the population (letter, Jan. 9).
My studies of all the news programmes - BBC, ITV, Sky and the
advertisements that ITV and Sky carry - suggest a much higher figure.
Whenever possible, the television cameras concentrate on the
relatively few blacks who may be in the hospital, store, school, bank,
office, on the street or wherever. I say "black" advisedly, because
they are almost always Afro-Caribbeans.
What many of the indigenous population would like to know is, why do
cameramen concentrate on blacks in this way? It is hard to believe
that they are all so politically correct that they do so voluntarily.
Are they working to instructions? If so, where do the instructions
originate, since all channels and all advertising agencies seem to
obey them? "
From: Miss Monica Boyack, Bexhill-On-Sea, East Sussex
Re: Black and white
Date: 17 January 2001
SIR - I refer to Chapman Pincher's letter (Jan 11) "Camera colours"
about the dominance of black people in television reports, asking if
this follows instructions.
When my brother worked in the Department of Education in the 1970s, it
sent a letter to every school in the country notifying them that, in
every school photograph, immigrant children (even if there was only
one) had to be placed centrally in the front. This was to ensure that
the public accepted immigrants as a normal part of their daily life.
The fact that it gave the impression of dominance over the surrounding
white children was of no consequence. "
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Employees of growing company FI Group are being offered £1000 to name
colleagues who might be sacked and replaced by cheaper
immigrants from India. The scheme follows Labour's latest
relaxation of immigration. The Government claimed more immigrants
would merely supplement existing British workers.
Source: Mail on Sunday December 24
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Home Office Ethnic Minority Network
Sunday 29 October 2000
Police told to promote black staff above white
A CONTROVERSIAL report to the Home Office recommends that black and
Asian police officers should be intentionally chosen for promotion
over their white colleagues.
The report, Ethnic Minority Police Officers, recommends that police
forces implement "fast-tracking" for ethnic minority officers to
enable them to get into more senior positions. The scheme would mean
that if a black and a white candidate for a same post had identical
qualifications, the black officer would be selected
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by Nikki Allen
Oldham Chronicle, 16 October 2000
A VISITOR to Werneth was assaulted and told that white boys should not
be in
this area.
The white man, from South Yorkshire, was attacked in Derby Street, on
Saturday afternoon. The attack happened at 5.40 pm when he was
approached by
two Asian men. They punched him, causing bruising to his face and a
cut to his hand. One
then reportedly told him that the area was off limits to white boys.
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Parekh Report
This racist report is directed at the English.
Out of 24 commissioners, about 33% appear to be English. None of that
33% (English commissioners) is an English patriot, so don't count as
English. (One of the others used to be belong to a terrorist
organisation). The English must form approx. 80% of the population of
the UK.
Did it cross the minds of any of these pompous bigotted commissioners
as they gathered in their conference rooms in ENGLAND, surrounded by
the ENGLISH, but consulting no-one, as far as I can see, from the
ENGLISH community, to decide how to brainwash the English out of their
Englishness, how very racist they are - coming to England, the English
Homeland, finding they don't like it, and instead of deciding to go
home, they decide to change the English to suit themselves.
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"Not racist"
"Police are not biased against blacks and Asians"
"A review of the population band ... who might be stopped by police
found an over-representation of whites "
Times September 21 2000 BRITAIN Stop-and-search police are 'rude but
not racist'
POLICE are not biased against blacks and Asians in their use of
stop-and-search powers, Home Office research published yesterday
shows.
A study of police operations in five areas in the country suggests
that "overall, no general pattern of bias against people from minority
ethnic groups either as a whole or particular groups" takes place.
A review of the population band - usually male and aged 18 to 25 - who
might be stopped by police found an over-representation of whites.
Asians were generally under-represented and the treatment of blacks
varied.
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Times September 18 2000 ETHNIC minority civil servants will be trained
in interview techniques as part of a programme to enable them to win
top Whitehall jobs
Not only were the Cross of St George flags in Oldham and in many other
areas taken down this year on St Georges Day, but taxi drivers in
London are forbidden to display a Cross of St George.
Ethnic Minority Media Awards - The UK's media community has celebrated
the contribution of blacks and Asians in the third annual Ethnic
Minority Media Awards - the Emmas. With nominees drawn from both the
ethnic and mainstream media (excluding white) , the awards recognised
excellence in terrestrial and cable television, film, journalism and
entertainment
The Black Film Festival - The bfm International Film Festival is the
only annual International celebration of black world cinema in the UK.
This premiere black film festival explodes into the heart of London
from the 7th to the 16th of September 2001.
http://www.bfmfilmfestival.com/
http://www.missindiaukevent.com
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From: Robert Henderson (Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Helping Mr Blunkett out - Housing Associations for non-whites
only
Newsgroups: uk.politics.misc, alt.politics.england.misc,
alt.politics.british, alt.politics.immigration
View: Complete Thread (4 articles) | Original Format
Date: 2001-12-10 02:02:01 PST
10 December 2001
David Blunkett MP
House of Commons
London SW1
cc Gerald Howorth MP
Dear Mr Blunkett,
In your quest to prevent the creation of minority ghettos,
I
would draw your attention to the existence more than
80
Housing Associations (HAs) which restrict their tenancies
on
the basis of colour, ie they are available only
to
non-whites. There are no HAs which operate a whites
only
policy. I enclose a list of these HAs drawn from
the
National Federation of Housing Associations.
As these bodies give an advantage to
particular
racial/ethnic groups and receive public money, they
go
against your publicly stated purposes to end
ghettoisation
through public housing and the direction of money
to
particular racial/ethnic groups. Please let me know
what
action you will be taking to end these racist and
divisive
bodies which disadvantage the native population.
Yours sincerely,
Robert Henderson Apartheid Lives!
The text following this paragraph was taken from pages
5,
286 and 287 of the The National Housing Federation
Handbook
for 1998. The list of Housing Associations given below
is
comprised of those which actively discriminate against
the
native population of this country by
restricting
accommodation to those selected by race, culture or
national
origin. It is dubious whether the 1976 Race Relations
Act
permits this. I suggest three actions to remedy matters:
(1)
write the NHF asking them to point to the part of the
RRA
which permits such discrimination; (2) write to your
MP
complaining about the discrimination; (3) write to
the
Commission for Racial Equality asking them to
investigate
whether the RRA has been breached and if it has, to act
to
stop the breach.
Text from handbook
The NHF Head Office details are:
National Housing Federation (NHF), 75 Grays Inn Road
London
WC1X 8UP
Tel:; 0!71 2786571 Fax: 0171 833 8323
DX: 124850 London (Grays Inn Rd) 2
:Email: N...@BTinternet.com www.housing org.uk
The trade body for independent not-for-profit
social
housing providers
Patron
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh, KG, KT
President
The Rt Rev Richard Harries
Vice Presidents
The Baroness Hollis of Heigham
The Rt Hon The Baroness Seear
The Rt Hon The Lord Jenkin of Roding
Miss K Joan Bartlett OBE
Sir Christopher Benson
NHF members that are Black & Minority Ethnic associations
This is a list of those NHF members that fall within
the
definition of Black & Minority Ethnic associations
The
definition is as follows: the provision of housing
for
people in ethnic minorities under the control of people
of
ethnic minorities, This means an organisation where
the
majority of board members are from black and minority
ethnic
communities, and which aims to meet the housing needs
of
these groups,
Aashyana HA Ltd
Agudas Israel HA Ltd
Aksa HA Ltd
An Viet HA Ltd
An Teach Irish Ltd
Apna Ghar HA Ltd
Arawak Walton HA Ltd
ARHAG HA Ltd
Amcway H Co-op Ltd
Ash-Shahada HA
Ltd Ashiana HA Ltd
Ashram HA Ltd
Asian HA Ltd
Asian HA Ltd
Asra Coventry' HA Ltd
Asra Greater London HA Ltd
Aston Widows Ltd
Bahay Kubo HA Ltd
Bangla HA Ltd
Bhavan Ltd
Black Roof Community HA
Black Star HA Ltd
Cara Irish HA Ltd
Core Area Self Build Group Ltd
Gharana HA Ltd
Grange HA Ltd
Dorcas HA Ltd
Ebonita HA [Ltd
Ebony Sistren HA Ltd
Ekaya HA Ltd
Eritrean Support Group HA Ltd
Foundation HA Ltd
Fujaltu HA Lid
Fullah Jamatt HA Ltd
Hallmark Community HA Ltd
HAMAC HA Ltd
Home From Home HA Ltd
Inquilab HA Ltd
Irish Centre Housing Ltd
Karibu HA Ltd Kush HA Ltd
La Gaitana H Co-op Ltd
Labo HA Ltd
London Chinatown HA Ltd
Manningham HA Ltd
Mary Seacole HA Ltd
Millat Asian I HA Ltd
Mitali Housing Co-operative Ltd
Nashayman HA Ltd
Nehemiah (C.of G.of Prophecy)
New World HA Ltd
North London Muslim HA Ltd
Odu-Dua HA Ltd
Omid HA Ltd
Oscar [Housing Association Ltd
Osmani HA Ltd
Oxford Spectrum HA Ltd
Pan African Housing Co-op Ltd
Pathway HA Ltd
Pine Court HA Ltd
Polish Retired persons HA Ltd
Presentation HA [Ltd
Rafidain HA lid
Sadeh Lok HA Ltd
Sandwell & Dudley HA
Ca&As HA Ltd
Shaha Jalal (Hyde) HA Ltd
Shian HA Ltd
Simba (Greenwich) HA Ltd
Spitalfields C.H.A Ltd
St Mauritius HA Ltd
Steve Biko HA Ltd
Tamil Refugee HA Ltd
The Great Wall Society Ltd
Tung Sing (Orient) HA Ltd
Tuntum HA Ltd
Ujima HA Ltd
United Churches (Birmingham)
United HA Ltd
Unity HA Ltd
Walter Rodney HA Sheffield)
Westway HA Ltd
Women's Roof (Leicester) Ltd
Robert Henderson
> OK then, a very quick summary of a paper I wrote on anti-white
> discrimination in Britain. Information taken from newspaper articles
> and internet searches for organisations set up exclusively for ethnic
> minorities - NB there are no organisations set up exclusively for the
> ethnic majority.
> Re Training. Law: unrepresentatively high proportion of those
> enrolling on the bar vocational course to become barristers were black
> or Asian, similarly in the Law Society.
You: Oh good. Potentially some figures. What are they? Us likes
crunchy
numbers.
Me: see notes above
In Medicine: similar
> disproportion.
You: Yum, more cruchy numbers.
> You could say that maybe ethnic minority students are
> simply better, but remember that in instances where the reverse
> happens for example in some school exam results, no official says that
> this is because whites are better. The inference is always that where
> minority students are overrepresented, it is because they are better,
> and where ethnic British students are overrepresented, it is as a
> result of racial discrimination.
You: Oh, and now we have a potentially attributable reference.
Me: see notes above
Heads they win, tails you lose.
> Similar overrepresentation in university entrance. Similarly in
> recruitment to The Cabinet Office, and other government departments,
> the Prison Service and big companies who offer special university
> scholarships exclusively to black and Asian students, and none to
> ethnic British. Home Office Ethnic Minority Network Sunday 29 October
> 2000 Police told to promote black staff above white. These
> privileges given also in ethnic-British-taxpayer funded schemes for
> mentoring, training in interview techniques, for example in Civil
> Service, promotion, career development. Just go into your local
> Citizens Advice Bureau and see the poster saying special help in
> promotion will be given to ethnic minorities. I am here reading
> through my paper and editing as I go. Loads of examples from
> professions, media, education, where they actively seek to recruitment
> disproportionately high numbers of ethnic minorities. Professional
> Organisations for example: Black Police Officers Association,
> Association of Black Lawyers, Association of Asian Businessmen,
> Minority Lawyers. There are hundreds of them
You: Dear God, Halleluja! At last we've got a figure, even though
'hundreds of
them' is possibly a little less accurate than it could be.
Me: do as I suggested, an internet search. You will be amazed.
- you've only got to do
> an internet search with the words training, recruitment, career
> development, employment, ethnic, etc. And these organisations gain a
> disproportionate influence in the media and Government. Charities
> hundreds. Do the work yourself. Look at the Charity Commission. But
> Council cuts aid for 'too white' charity Daily Telegraph 13.12.96, and
> Sunday 5 November 2000 Give up church jobs for blacks, demands bishop.
> Networking and pressure groups Again, masses of them: The Chronicle:
> Changing Black Britain, internet magazine, Camden Black Parents and
> Teachers Association, Black Multimedia, 198 Gallery, for black
> artists,Blacknet UK, Black Living, a magazine for black women, BBC
> Online Network Asia, for Asian communities in Britain, Nation of
> Islam, The Asian Business Network is an organisation dedicated to
> proactively promoting the educational, social, moral and economic
> interests of all people of Indian and subcontinental origin. Islami
> Centre, the Muslim Doctors' and Dentists' Association, the Muslim
> Women's Helpline and the Muslim Council of Britain. And let's remind
> ourselves here that there is absolutely nothing for ethnic British.
> Look I've just started at the beginning of my paper, there's masses
> more. Oh here's one: 26.8.00 Devon and Cornwall police have been told
> to give priority to crimes against blacks and Asians, i.e. that if two
> similar crimes are reported at the same time, one against blacks, and
> one against "whites" then the one against blacks must have higher
> priority. This was so crazy I could hardly believe it.
You: That sounds distinctly odd to me, too. So odd, in fact, I wonder
which is
more probable: that the Devon and Cornwall police have taken leave of
their
senses or that the reporter on the local paper has got things arse
about
tit.
You: Which do you think?
Me: see below, and notes above ? this is important. I intend to
investigate it further, but it will be months before I have time to do
it.
Now I hear
> the same thing is done in other forces. You don't believe me they're
> privileged?!!! Traffic wardens are reluctant to book blacks and
> Asians, and they have been known to deliberately turn a blind eye to
> parking offences by blacks and Asians, while at the same time they are
> quite happy to book whites.
You: That's clever of the traffic wardens. I mean, they must be
almost psychic
to work out if my car's illegally parked to know if I'm black or
white.
You: The buggers just tend to stick a ticket on any old how where I
live, and
that's if the clampers and tow-away guys don't get you.
Me: see notes above
Whites are to be excluded from new
> civilian advisory panels set up by the Metropolitan Police for all
> controversial race murders in London (Evening Standard 9.3.99).
You: Sounds illegal to me. Please furnish URL to save me having to
look for it.
Otherwise I will find it, but it does sound completely out of order.
Me: I've already done most of the work myself. Look it up yourself in
Evening Standard.
The
> Home Office has confirmed that 64% more in overall resources and 35%
> more in officer days have been devoted to solving the murders of black
> victims as compared with white victims. In 1997-98 the overall
> clear-up rate for murders was 24.9%. But if the victim was black, the
> clear-up rate was 41.4%.
You: Sorry, but the figures are meaningless. You can only compare two
sets of
figures if you have a common base line. Do you mean that the police
will
devote 64% more in overall resources and 35% more in officer days if a
black
person is murdered than if a white person is murdered?
Me: that's what it said.
You: Or do you mean that, since the police are apparently better at
catching the
murderers of black people than the murderers of white people, they
spend
more time on the case doing things like conducting interviews,
appearing in
court, and so on?
You: And why, we wonder, is the clear-up rate so different? Might be
(and,
honestly, I don't know) that most murders are committed within a
colour
group, so if a black murders a black there are fewer potential
suspects than
if a white murders a white, and if an Eskimoe murders an Eskimoe there
are
very few potential suspects.
Me: possibly. Why don't you write and ask them?
You want me to go on? White teenager
> Richard Everitt was murdered by Asian racists. His attackers have not
> been convicted, but there has been no public enquiry. Leisure
> Facilities & Entertainment:A Leicester sports centre operates a colour
> bar against whites on some evenings.
You: In which case it is acting illegally. Has anyone tested this in
court?
Or is it yet another factoid?
Me: test it in court! You must be joking. Did you read the letter in
the Daily Mail yesterday from someone who wrote to the BBC complaining
of racial bias in their reports and has since been persistently
harassed by the CRE, the Police ? dawn raids, house searches, branded
as racist on the basis that he is white!. I have written to the Met
complaining of racism. The complaints are brushed aside.
It was suggested (March 1999),
> that members of ethnic minorities, exclusively, should be given
> discounted membership of football clubs.
You: Ah, yet another illegal suggestion. I do love the passive voice
-- 'the
moon, it has been suggested, is made of green cheese, purely, as some
people
argue, for the benefit of the Loch Ness Monster'. Sort of has the
advantage of letting you out of saying who suggested some daft idea
and what
the upshot was, doesn't it?
Me: This is becoming tiresome. Making silly remarks does not refute
the importance of the information I have been giving you.
In 1998 Luton council
> informed a group of old people that they could no longer use their day
> centre because they were white and it was now reserved exclusively for
> Afro-Caribbeans. In 1998 a new housing area in Leicester was provided
> with no leisure facilities because the residents are white. However,
> a site in this area was sold off cheaply to Asians so that they could
> build a mosque and a Hindu temple. Health Service: new duties imposed
> on the National Health Service are intended to have the effect of
> improving services for patients from ethnic minorities only. Muslim
> women experience difficulty in being treated by men in obstetrics and
> gynaecology. No consideration is apparently to be given to the
> feelings of white women. While Muslim women are to be encouraged to
> refuse treatment from men, white patients are to be discouraged from
> refusing treatment from black health professionals. There was a
> letter from a white Jamaican immigrant married to a pale North
> African, liviing in Leicester. She said in the maternity ward where
> she gave birth recently there were two white (or whitish) babies and
> one Asian. Only the Asian baby was given a BCG innoculation. The
> writer asked for it for her baby but was refused. The reason given
> was that Asian babies have more contact with TB because their
> relatives travel to and from India. The writer pointed out that her
> baby was at risk because she mixed with Asians. She said her previous
> baby had been born in Paris, where all babies are routinely given BCG
> innoculations.
You: Right, yet another catalogue of illegality.
You: I'll do you a deal, chum. Give me details that I can take up
with the
relevant people (and 'a man I met in the pub told me that ....' don't
cut
it) and I'll take these cases up for you. You can either post the
details
on UKPM or e-mail me privately.
Me: see notes above. PLEASE TAKE UP THESE CASES. Some English are in
despair and long for someone to take up their cause.
You: Frankly, I don't beleive you. Go on, prove me a liar. I
don't like
illegality any more than do you.
Me: nor do I like unfairness, hypocrisy, bigotry.
> Housing (info from Robert Henderson, thank you)
You: Splutter!
You: I am a great fan of the man Henderson (he once bought me a beer,
so I won't
hear a word said against him). He does have a very dry sense of
humour,
which sometimes is as devastating to the political right as it is to
the
political left, but for some reason the political right are sometimes
a bit
slow on the uptake when it comes to a joke, but do go on .....
more than 80 Housing
> Associations (HAs) which restrict their tenancies on the basis of
> colour, ie they are available only to non-whites. There are no HAs
> which operate a whites only policy.I enclose a list of these HAs drawn
> from the National Federation of Housing Associations. 20001 in the
> midlands the Scouts had applied to the local council to hold their
> usual St. George's Day parade, which they had been doing for years,
> but the local Asians got the council to stop it.
You: Again, we clearly, from what you describe, have a clearly illegal
course of
action by these various housing associations. Why, I wonder, is it
that
no one has thought to do anything about it?
Me: again, what can one do? When someone who complains of racism,
but, unfortunately for him, is the wrong colour, and so gets oppressed
(see above) and there are other similar examples, it's obviously
designed to put ordinary people off taking action.
You: Now, a direct challenge, since you would not want people to think
you were
making things up as you go along (perish the thought), would you?
You: Tell me where in 'the midlands' (that's where I'm from -- big
place, isn't
it?) this abortive St George's Day Parade didn't take place, and I
will
undertake to research the matter with the Scouts and Guides
Association, the
local police, the local paper, and so on, and to publish the results
on
UKPM. Tell me, come to that when St George's Day is without having
to look
it up (be honest -- I know, partly because it's my cousin's birthday).
You: Put up or show up, chum, since I think you're spinning a line.
> Phew, enough to be on with I think, don't you? Look, I've spent
> enough time on this. Why on earth can't you do the work yourself?
> But then there's none so blind as those who will not see, aren't
> there?
You: Sorry, chum, but if you want to convince me the Abominable
Snowman exists,
it's up to you to go and find one for me. Whittering on about 'well
I
know the Abominable Snowman exists, and if you doubt it, you just go
to the
Himalayas and establish there aren't any' really doesn't cut it.
You: Ball in your court. Put your money where your mouth is.
ME: see above. Do please follow up the leads. This list needs
updating.
H. Wake
> In article <20030206162141...@mb-de.aol.com>,
> mikein...@aol.com says...
> > A really excellent and frightening file from HWake about how whites are being
> > squeezed. As I've pointed out here before, the situation of white people in
> > Britain increasingly resembles that of the Jews in early Nazi Germany
> > particularly in the rigging of job availability.
>
> FFS, are you serious? If you are, then I pity you. How can you compare
> what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany to 'the situation of white
> people in Britain'? Talk about crass comparisons... laughable.
The comparison is valid. The persecution of the Jews started with
similar restrictions of their opportunities and other discrimination
against them. Given the continuing decline in the numbers of the
English, their unwillingness to defend themselves, the increasing
numbers of ethnic minorities and the intolerance, extremism and
cruelty of some of them, and the power and influence they have been
given, something similar to the ultimate fate of the Jews in Europe in
the future is not unimaginable.
>
> > You should post this file regularly.
>
> To let us all see how stupid you make yourself look.
Keep posting and show more of your short-sightedness, prejudice,
bigotry and unkindness. Have you no compassion for a native people
faced with extinction brought about by their own leaders in whom they
trusted?
S-X-B
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk says...
> S-X-B <steven...@msn.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.18ad014c8...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>...
> > In article <20030206162141...@mb-de.aol.com>,
> > mikein...@aol.com says...
> > > A really excellent and frightening file from HWake about how whites are being
> > > squeezed. As I've pointed out here before, the situation of white people in
> > > Britain increasingly resembles that of the Jews in early Nazi Germany
> > > particularly in the rigging of job availability.
> >
> > FFS, are you serious? If you are, then I pity you. How can you compare
> > what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany to 'the situation of white
> > people in Britain'? Talk about crass comparisons... laughable.
>
> The comparison is valid. The persecution of the Jews started with
> similar restrictions of their opportunities and other discrimination
> against them. Given the continuing decline in the numbers of the
> English, their unwillingness to defend themselves, the increasing
> numbers of ethnic minorities and the intolerance, extremism and
> cruelty of some of them, and the power and influence they have been
> given, something similar to the ultimate fate of the Jews in Europe in
> the future is not unimaginable.
And what was the percentage of Jews in Germany before Hitler came to
power? At a guess, I'd say 5% at the most. How many 'white (so-called)
Xian' people are in the majority in the UK right now? 95% or
thereabouts?
It's not going to happen. It's like saying that the Japanese
immigrants to America are posed to take over at any time. Paranoia
taken to the extreme is what it is.
> > > You should post this file regularly.
> >
> > To let us all see how stupid you make yourself look.
>
> Keep posting and show more of your short-sightedness, prejudice,
> bigotry and unkindness. Have you no compassion for a native people
> faced with extinction brought about by their own leaders in whom they
> trusted?
Wow... I've always wanted to visit the Realms of Fantasy. Now I have I
think I'll just stay in the real world if that's ok with you.
H. Wake
> In article <a2a0b4c4.03020...@posting.google.com>,
> hw...@freeispshares.co.uk says...
> > S-X-B <steven...@msn.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.18ad014c8...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>...
> > > In article <20030206162141...@mb-de.aol.com>,
> > > mikein...@aol.com says...
> > > > A really excellent and frightening file from HWake about how whites are being
> > > > squeezed. As I've pointed out here before, the situation of white people in
> > > > Britain increasingly resembles that of the Jews in early Nazi Germany
> > > > particularly in the rigging of job availability.
> > >
> > > FFS, are you serious? If you are, then I pity you. How can you compare
> > > what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany to 'the situation of white
> > > people in Britain'? Talk about crass comparisons... laughable.
> >
> > The comparison is valid. The persecution of the Jews started with
> > similar restrictions of their opportunities and other discrimination
> > against them. Given the continuing decline in the numbers of the
> > English, their unwillingness to defend themselves, the increasing
> > numbers of ethnic minorities and the intolerance, extremism and
> > cruelty of some of them, and the power and influence they have been
> > given, something similar to the ultimate fate of the Jews in Europe in
> > the future is not unimaginable.
>
> And what was the percentage of Jews in Germany before Hitler came to
> power? At a guess, I'd say 5% at the most. How many 'white (so-called)
> Xian' people are in the majority in the UK right now? 95% or
> thereabouts?
If you had read my post carefully you would have seen that I am
referring to the likely future. Surely you cannot have missed the
forecast made two years ago - it was plastered all over the broadsheet
newspapers - that demographers forecast that on present trends we will
be in a minority here before the end of this century. And the trend
won't stop at that point. Our numbers will continue to decline unless
something happens to buck the trend. But there is no sign of that
happening. I wouldn't be surprised if the process accelerates, as more
and more natives get disheartened and get out, as they are doing now.
>
> It's not going to happen. It's like saying that the Japanese
> immigrants to America are posed to take over at any time.
No it's not. What is the Japanese American birthrate compared with
the rest? What is the proportion of Japanese immigration to America?
Have Japanese Americans declared that they intend to take over
America? The Moslems in the UK have said they will turn this country
islamic by 2025. And I can see nothing to stop them.
> Paranoia
> taken to the extreme is what it is.
> > > > You should post this file regularly.
> > >
> > > To let us all see how stupid you make yourself look.
> >
> > Keep posting and show more of your short-sightedness, prejudice,
> > bigotry and unkindness. Have you no compassion for a native people
> > faced with extinction brought about by their own leaders in whom they
> > trusted?
>
> Wow... I've always wanted to visit the Realms of Fantasy. Now I have I
> think I'll just stay in the real world if that's ok with you.
But what will the real world in the future be?
MikeinCamden
to a new thread.
The argument that whites make up say 90/95% so have nothing to worry about is
very misleading. In the capital city for example, blacks are now said to be a
third of the population. If you add on the hordes of whites from all over the
world then English whites (who have the major interest in the situation) must
now be a minority in our own capital.
I said carefully that I was comparing the situation with early Nazi Germany.
Have people not noticed how white people are blamed for everything? How an MP
has just said that attacks on blacks are seriously publicised while those on
whites are often ignored. Liberals like to say that even if whites are a
minority it will make no difference to them. This is cuckoo land.
Wake up at the back!
S-X-B
I realised that. And it's not a likely future at all.
> Surely you cannot have missed the
> forecast made two years ago
Dammit! I missed it! I must have been reading the real news from the
real world, not idle speculation on what might happen if such and such
continues and this happens and maybe that doesn't happen...
- it was plastered all over the broadsheet
> newspapers - that demographers forecast that on present trends we will
> be in a minority here before the end of this century.
Hey! I'm a forecaster too. I predict that because my town presently
has two Chinese takeaways (and twenty years ago there were none) in
twenty years time there'll be five! See. It's easy. Anyone can do it.
If you are selective in your predictions.
> And the trend
> won't stop at that point. Our numbers will continue to decline unless
> something happens to buck the trend. But there is no sign of that
> happening. I wouldn't be surprised if the process accelerates, as more
> and more natives get disheartened and get out, as they are doing now.
So you're off then? I recommend Zimbabwe. I'm sure you'll be made
really welcome.
> > It's not going to happen. It's like saying that the Japanese
> > immigrants to America are posed to take over at any time.
>
> No it's not. What is the Japanese American birthrate compared with
> the rest? What is the proportion of Japanese immigration to America?
> Have Japanese Americans declared that they intend to take over
> America? The Moslems in the UK have said they will turn this country
> islamic by 2025.
The fanatical lunatic Moslem hatemongers. NOT 'The Moslems'.
"I saw a man with ginger hair hit his wife in the face, therefore all
ginger haired men are wife-beaters." /That's/ the 'logic' you're
applying.
> > Wow... I've always wanted to visit the Realms of Fantasy. Now I have I
> > think I'll just stay in the real world if that's ok with you.
>
> But what will the real world in the future be?
Nobody knows. But you are making bizarre predictions based on the
insane ramblings of a few hatemongering Moslem 'clerics'. And even
worse, you believe your own predictions...
H. Wake
Again, if you had read my post properly you would realise that this
forecast will come true IF PRESENT TRENDS CONTINUE, and, at present,
there is nothing to buck the trends. If you think this will not
happen, you must be assuming that one or more of several things will
happen, such as the native birthrate will vastly increase, the moslem
birthrate will decrease to such an extent that their numbers will
decline, immigration will cease - is that what you want?
>
> > Surely you cannot have missed the
> > forecast made two years ago
>
> Dammit! I missed it! I must have been reading the real news from the
> real world, not idle speculation on what might happen if such and such
> continues and this happens and maybe that doesn't happen...
Idle speculation? By leading academic demographers? And have you not
heard the breathless eager anticipation with which leaders in such
cities as Leicester vie with each other as to which English city will
be the first to become English minority? Living in the real world? I
don't think you're living in this world at all. And my God you're
complacent!
>
> - it was plastered all over the broadsheet
> > newspapers - that demographers forecast that on present trends we will
> > be in a minority here before the end of this century.
>
> Hey! I'm a forecaster too. I predict that because my town presently
> has two Chinese takeaways (and twenty years ago there were none) in
> twenty years time there'll be five! See. It's easy. Anyone can do it.
> If you are selective in your predictions.
How many times do I have to say this? ON PRESENT TRENDS.
>
> > And the trend
> > won't stop at that point. Our numbers will continue to decline unless
> > something happens to buck the trend. But there is no sign of that
> > happening. I wouldn't be surprised if the process accelerates, as more
> > and more natives get disheartened and get out, as they are doing now.
>
> So you're off then? I recommend Zimbabwe. I'm sure you'll be made
> really welcome.
VERY SILLY COMMENT.
>
> > > It's not going to happen. It's like saying that the Japanese
> > > immigrants to America are posed to take over at any time.
> >
> > No it's not. What is the Japanese American birthrate compared with
> > the rest? What is the proportion of Japanese immigration to America?
> > Have Japanese Americans declared that they intend to take over
> > America? The Moslems in the UK have said they will turn this country
> > islamic by 2025.
>
> The fanatical lunatic Moslem hatemongers. NOT 'The Moslems'.
And how do you know what they may think? Besides, it only takes a few
to intimidate the rest. Did you know that they are threatened with
death for apostacy?
>
> "I saw a man with ginger hair hit his wife in the face, therefore all
> ginger haired men are wife-beaters." /That's/ the 'logic' you're
> applying.
You are applying the same logic. See above.
>
> > > Wow... I've always wanted to visit the Realms of Fantasy. Now I have I
> > > think I'll just stay in the real world if that's ok with you.
> >
> > But what will the real world in the future be?
>
> Nobody knows. But you are making bizarre predictions based on the
> insane ramblings of a few hatemongering Moslem 'clerics'. And even
> worse, you believe your own predictions...
Not my predictions - academics' predictions.
MikeinCamden
occupations.
What is the difference between that and Labour and its pals saying whites are
over represented in many jobs and introducing 'targets' to change matters - as
we see with the police, BBC, law and many other things?
Curiously, the particular occupations concerned are mostly identical with those
picked by the Nazis.
해l
Disturbing but true.
"H. Wake" <hw...@freeispshares.co.uk> wrote in message
news:a2a0b4c4.03020...@posting.google.com...
S-X-B
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk says...
> S-X-B <steven...@msn.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.18ae65a89...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>...
> > In article <a2a0b4c4.03020...@posting.google.com>,
> > hw...@freeispshares.co.uk says...
> > > If you had read my post carefully you would have seen that I am
> > > referring to the likely future.
> >
> > I realised that. And it's not a likely future at all.
>
> Again, if you had read my post properly you would realise that this
> forecast will come true IF PRESENT TRENDS CONTINUE
I DID read your post properly! What do you want me to do? Quote your
entire post again and just say I disagree at the end???? Jeez. How
anal can you get????
, and, at present,
> there is nothing to buck the trends. If you think this will not
> happen, you must be assuming that one or more of several things will
> happen, such as the native birthrate will vastly increase, the moslem
> birthrate will decrease to such an extent that their numbers will
> decline, immigration will cease - is that what you want?
Blah blah blah. You're repeating yourself now.
> > > Surely you cannot have missed the
> > > forecast made two years ago
> >
> > Dammit! I missed it! I must have been reading the real news from the
> > real world, not idle speculation on what might happen if such and such
> > continues and this happens and maybe that doesn't happen...
>
> Idle speculation? By leading academic demographers? And have you not
> heard the breathless eager anticipation with which leaders in such
> cities as Leicester vie with each other as to which English city will
> be the first to become English minority? Living in the real world? I
> don't think you're living in this world at all. And my God you're
> complacent!
Yep. Happy to just sit and let the world go by. That's me...
> >
> > - it was plastered all over the broadsheet
> > > newspapers - that demographers forecast that on present trends we will
> > > be in a minority here before the end of this century.
> >
> > Hey! I'm a forecaster too. I predict that because my town presently
> > has two Chinese takeaways (and twenty years ago there were none) in
> > twenty years time there'll be five! See. It's easy. Anyone can do it.
> > If you are selective in your predictions.
>
> How many times do I have to say this? ON PRESENT TRENDS.
That's one too many times. I got it the first time.
> > > And the trend
> > > won't stop at that point. Our numbers will continue to decline unless
> > > something happens to buck the trend. But there is no sign of that
> > > happening. I wouldn't be surprised if the process accelerates, as more
> > > and more natives get disheartened and get out, as they are doing now.
> >
> > So you're off then? I recommend Zimbabwe. I'm sure you'll be made
> > really welcome.
>
> VERY SILLY COMMENT.
Like everything you've posted so far then.
> > > > It's not going to happen. It's like saying that the Japanese
> > > > immigrants to America are posed to take over at any time.
> > >
> > > No it's not. What is the Japanese American birthrate compared with
> > > the rest? What is the proportion of Japanese immigration to America?
> > > Have Japanese Americans declared that they intend to take over
> > > America? The Moslems in the UK have said they will turn this country
> > > islamic by 2025.
> >
> > The fanatical lunatic Moslem hatemongers. NOT 'The Moslems'.
>
> And how do you know what they may think?
Well. How do YOU?
> Besides, it only takes a few
> to intimidate the rest. Did you know that they are threatened with
> death for apostacy?
Moron.
> > "I saw a man with ginger hair hit his wife in the face, therefore all
> > ginger haired men are wife-beaters." /That's/ the 'logic' you're
> > applying.
>
> You are applying the same logic. See above.
Moron.
> > > > Wow... I've always wanted to visit the Realms of Fantasy. Now I have I
> > > > think I'll just stay in the real world if that's ok with you.
> > >
> > > But what will the real world in the future be?
> >
> > Nobody knows. But you are making bizarre predictions based on the
> > insane ramblings of a few hatemongering Moslem 'clerics'. And even
> > worse, you believe your own predictions...
>
> Not my predictions - academics' predictions.
Moron.
<plonk>
해l
this.....
, and, at present,
> there is nothing to buck the trends. If you think this will not
> happen, you must be assuming that one or more of several things will
> happen, such as the native birthrate will vastly increase, the moslem
> birthrate will decrease to such an extent that their numbers will
> decline, immigration will cease - is that what you want?
That is of course assuming you agree that one, two or all of the above
scenarios will need to occur to prevent the whites becoming a minority? If
so, which of the 3 do you think is likely?
If you dont agree that one of the 3 scenarios will need to occur to prevent
the whites becoming a minority then can I suggest a basic mathematics
course?
Personally I dont think a cease in immigration will make any difference. It
will simply take a bit longer
"S-X-B" <steven...@msn.com> wrote in message
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H. Wake
Does this mean that you didn't know that moslems are threatened with
death if they reject Islam? I suppose it's not surprising you make
silly comments, it's because you're so ignorant.
>
> > > "I saw a man with ginger hair hit his wife in the face, therefore all
> > > ginger haired men are wife-beaters." /That's/ the 'logic' you're
> > > applying.
> >
> > You are applying the same logic. See above.
>
> Moron.
>
> > > > > Wow... I've always wanted to visit the Realms of Fantasy. Now I have I
> > > > > think I'll just stay in the real world if that's ok with you.
> > > >
> > > > But what will the real world in the future be?
> > >
> > > Nobody knows. But you are making bizarre predictions based on the
> > > insane ramblings of a few hatemongering Moslem 'clerics'. And even
> > > worse, you believe your own predictions...
> >
> > Not my predictions - academics' predictions.
>
> Moron.
You mean you are embarrassed to have your ignorance shown up.
>
> <plonk>
Robert Henderson
<mikein...@aol.com> writes
What? No response from Mr Glynn yet? RH
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MikeinCamden
being open only to British people etc. Racism etc.
Labour's membership is not open to Ulster folk.
What the liberal media really wants is total inclusiveness for anyone anywhere
in the world to anything.
That means in practice you cannot have a society except a world society which
sounds alright until you think through the practical considerations - like how
anyone could feel represented when there are no alternatives to join and no
competition between different systems to provide advice on what's best.
Jonathan Bratt
<hw...@freeispshares.co.uk> writes
>Does this mean that you didn't know that moslems are threatened with
>death if they reject Islam? I suppose it's not surprising you make
>silly comments, it's because you're so ignorant.
And according to Leviticus I should be killed for being gay. Happily not
everyone takes these silly books literally, even when they embrace the
religion behind it in general.
--
Jonathan Bratt
Robert Henderson
<mikein...@aol.com> writes
>I was amused by Peter Hitchins complaint in the Mail today about BNP membership
>being open only to British people etc. Racism etc.
>
can vote in Parliamentary elections, hence any elector is legally
British. RH
>Labour's membership is not open to Ulster folk.
>
That's because they are not British according to NuLabcur. RH
>What the liberal media really wants is total inclusiveness for anyone anywhere
>in the world to anything.
>
>That means in practice you cannot have a society except a world society which
>sounds alright until you think through the practical considerations - like how
>anyone could feel represented when there are no alternatives to join and no
>competition between different systems to provide advice on what's best.
--
MikeinCamden
vote.
GG
> I don't think that's right about elections. Commonwealth citizens can
> also vote.
and stand for local elections....................
Gaz
Robert Henderson
<mikein...@aol.com> writes
>I don't think that's right about elections. Commonwealth citizens can also
>vote.
Not for Westminster elections. In local elections yes, as can EU member
state citizens. . RH