16,000 Job-Stealing Slavs Arriving In Britain Every Month !
Chris X
Sixteen months after EU enlargement, an average of 16,000 eastern Europeans
are arriving each month in the UK to work.
This is much more than expected ahead of enlargement, with a government
study last year forecasting an annual total of just 5,000 to 13,000 workers.
But multicultural Britain has so far been able to absorb all the newcomers,
reports the New York Times.
The new arrivals even seem to have strengthened the economy with the
unemployment rate still as low as 4.7 percent.
Most of the old EU countries, in contrast to the UK, have sealed off their
labour markets ahead of enlargement as they suffer high unemployment.
To work in France, for example, a Pole must apply for a work permit.
France issued 737 such permits to Poles in the ten months after last year's
enlargement, equivalent to the number of Poles who arrive every two days in
Britain, according to the US newspaper.
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Chris X
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Sixteen months after EU enlargement, an average of 16,000 eastern Europeans
are arriving each month in the UK to work.
This is much more than expected ahead of enlargement, with a government
study last year forecasting an annual total of just 5,000 to 13,000 workers.
> his antisemitic ordure
Once again, the hysterical Zionazi hag cannot think of *anything* to post in
response other than screech her usual "Anti-semite !" rant, and change the
thread title.
Ariadne
dave wrote:
> >The new arrivals even seem to have strengthened the economy with the
> >unemployment rate still as low as 4.7 percent.
>
> Really! I have 2 univ degrees in engineering (electronics), 30 years practical
> quality software eng experience, served a 5 year electrical apprenticeship with
> a major engineering company and reasonably "good" at practical things (I have
> rebuilt several high performance auto engines), but I can't get a job - because
> I'm nearly 60 years old. My health is pretty good I'm glad to say but I can't
> even get past the enquiry letter/phone call stage. When I was younger I would
> estimate my job/interview success rate at about 70%. My wife who is a bit
> younger than me is a research chemist (she a graduate, speaks 3 languages and,
> like myself is a very conciencious worker) - but she earns peanuts (she can't
> get another job either. We're living off her meagre "salary" (<13k) and my
> savings of the past. I can't get unemployment benefit because of her income -
> although I'm currently trying to get a job shelf stacking or sweeping up
> somewhere. I can't work at my former job of years ago because Prescott changed
> the law/regulation regarding who can wire domestic installation under the
> pretence of making thing safer (real reason, closed shop for the Elec Inst and
> money making schemes for certain course-running organisations). The cost of
> requalifing is thousands of £. I am however, not alone in my situation.
>
> So where Mr bliar are the jobs for oldie white peple like myself? And what of
> pensions - and if I have to work until 101 just where do I get a job? Pahh!
And all that can be said without the gratuitous
antisemitism of the ugly benefit-scrounging Nazi
who began this thread.
Jay
Don't pussyfoot around girl, just say what you think.
I'm sure she fancies you Chris.
Chris X
"dave" <da...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:39:16 +0100, "Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>http://euobserver.com/9/20158
>>
>>Sixteen months after EU enlargement, an average of 16,000 eastern
>>Europeans
>>are arriving each month in the UK to work.
>>
>>This is much more than expected ahead of enlargement, with a government
>>study last year forecasting an annual total of just 5,000 to 13,000
>>workers.
>>
>>But multicultural Britain has so far been able to absorb all the
>>newcomers,
>>reports the New York Times.
>>
>>The new arrivals even seem to have strengthened the economy with the
>>unemployment rate still as low as 4.7 percent.
>
Yes, it's an absolute disgrace and it is the main reason why the Slavic
basket-cases should never have been granted EU membership until their
economies are on a par with the real EU-17 states.
Ian Bailey
Chris X wrote:
> http://euobserver.com/9/20158
>
> Sixteen months after EU enlargement, an average of 16,000 eastern Europeans
> are arriving each month in the UK to work.
>
> This is much more than expected ahead of enlargement, with a government
> study last year forecasting an annual total of just 5,000 to 13,000 workers.
>
> But multicultural Britain has so far been able to absorb all the newcomers,
> reports the New York Times.
>
> The new arrivals even seem to have strengthened the economy with the
> unemployment rate still as low as 4.7 percent.
As the unemployment rate is not going up to match the new arrivals
they're not stealing jobs are they? The people who have been laid off
recently have seen jobs transferred abroad, not to incoming "slavs".
Ian
Chris X
"Jay" <ja...@pcandy.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1130240496.2...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > requalifing is thousands of Ł. I am however, not alone in my situation.
> >
> > So where Mr bliar are the jobs for oldie white peple like myself? And
> > what of
> > pensions - and if I have to work until 101 just where do I get a job?
> > Pahh!
> And all that can be said without the gratuitous
> antisemitism of the ugly benefit-scrounging Nazi
> who began this thread.
>> Don't pussyfoot around girl, just say what you think.
>> I'm sure she fancies you Chris.
I suppose I could always hire her out for dogging nights ;)
Chris X
"Ian Bailey" <a690hou...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Don't insult our intelligences by quoting our so-called "government"'s
fiddled statistics.
eloise
Chris X wrote:
> http://euobserver.com/9/20158
>
> Sixteen months after EU enlargement, an average of 16,000 eastern Europeans
> are arriving each month in the UK to work.
>
> This is much more than expected ahead of enlargement, with a government
> study last year forecasting an annual total of just 5,000 to 13,000 workers.
>
> But multicultural Britain has so far been able to absorb all the newcomers,
> reports the New York Times.
>
> The new arrivals even seem to have strengthened the economy with the
> unemployment rate still as low as 4.7 percent.
>
> Most of the old EU countries, in contrast to the UK, have sealed off their
> labour markets ahead of enlargement as they suffer high unemployment.
>
> To work in France, for example, a Pole must apply for a work permit.
>
> France issued 737 such permits to Poles in the ten months after last year's
> enlargement, equivalent to the number of Poles who arrive every two days in
> Britain, according to the US newspaper.
e.
Ian Bailey
You are of course welcome to post your own proof that slavs are
stealing people's jobs.
Ian
Chris X
LOL ! Oh, those 16,000 Slavs arriving here every month are not coming here
to do British people's jobs then ... just "doing Europe" in their University
"gap" year, I suppose.
Stephen Glynn
If John and Dave apply for the same job and John gets the job, John can
hardly be said to have 'stolen Dave's job'. Why's it different when
Ivan gets the job for which Dave unsuccessfully applied (if he applied
at all)?
Steve
Chris X
"Stephen Glynn" <stephe...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Because, you idiot, "Ivan" comes from an eastern-bloc ghetto where this
shite job in the UK pays a figure which he can only imagine earning in his
wildest dreams in Bratislava.
Although the job isn't very attractive to Brits, and contrary to what war
criminal Bliar's "friends" in business tell us, there would however be a
Brit that would take it, if only as a stop-gap until something better came
along. *That* is where the theft happens.
This subject has been done to death on this newsgroup and I'm not going to
waste any more time explaining in to those who should know by now.
Paul Clare
So I take it your family are a unique branch of homo sapiens who
evolved separately on the British Isles? Or did they, like the rest of
us, at some point come over here on a boat to "steal" jobs? (and
probably more!)
Chris X
"Paul Clare" <paul_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Another idiot who doesn't know the difference between evolution and simple
economics.
Stephen Glynn
Yeah, but Ivan won't have the benefit of paying Bratislava prices when
he does his shopping in his local Tescos or paying Bratislava rent on
his flat in London while he's here, will he?
Steve
Ted
"Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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> http://euobserver.com/9/20158
>
> Sixteen months after EU enlargement, an average of 16,000 eastern
> Europeans are arriving each month in the UK to work.
>
> This is much more than expected ahead of enlargement, with a government
> study last year forecasting an annual total of just 5,000 to 13,000
> workers.
That was just to keep people quite of course. "Government
studies" are meaningless under this government. They are just propaganda
tools.
Chris X
"Ivan" will subsist on cheapo zero-nutrition food from one of the giant
supermarket cartels whilst slumming it in a family member's one bedroom
studio "flat" .... probably along with three or four others of his ilk !
Chris X
"Ted" <T...@Tednet.com> wrote in message
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Yes, so it would appear, about as accurate as their "unemployment" figures !
Stephen Glynn
I see. Why did this never work when the company I worked for in London
were hiring people, I wonder? I mean, despite the fact that
secretaries in London expected to be paid twice what they'd get in less
affluent parts of the country, lasses who applied from outside London
and proposed to move to the Smoke if we gave them a job always seemed to
expect a London salary. Funny, that.
Steve
Chris X
You mentioned London, not me. I'm talking about the whole country. Besides,
the last time you worked, they probably got their money in pounds, shillings
and pence in a brown paper envelope every friday.
Stephen Glynn
Yes, I did mention London. If people from Bratislava are, as you say
they are, prepared to accept Bratislava wages when they're working in
London, then why can't people from Newcastle be persuaded to do the same?
Steve
matthe...@ntlworld.nospamta.com
<Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote:
>http://euobserver.com/9/20158
>
>Sixteen months after EU enlargement, an average of 16,000 eastern Europeans
>are arriving each month in the UK to work.
>
>This is much more than expected ahead of enlargement, with a government
>study last year forecasting an annual total of just 5,000 to 13,000 workers.
>
>But multicultural Britain has so far been able to absorb all the newcomers,
>reports the New York Times.
>
>The new arrivals even seem to have strengthened the economy with the
>unemployment rate still as low as 4.7 percent.
Didn't you read this line then?
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cheers
matt
matthe...@ntlworld.nospamta.com
>> requalifing is thousands of Ł. I am however, not alone in my situation.
>>
>> So where Mr bliar are the jobs for oldie white peple like myself? And what
>> of
>> pensions - and if I have to work until 101 just where do I get a job?
>> Pahh!
>
>Yes, it's an absolute disgrace and it is the main reason why the Slavic
>basket-cases should never have been granted EU membership until their
>economies are on a par with the real EU-17 states.
Age discrimination in the UK has nothing to do with EU immigrants - it
was rife before enlargement and remains a problem
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cheers
matt
Chris X
<matthe...@ntlworld.nospamta.com> wrote in message
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Yes, but it was disregarded for the blatant lie that it is, Taiwan Matt.
Chris X
<matthe...@ntlworld.nospamta.com> wrote in message
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Yes, and the Slavs aren't helping matters one bit.
Chris X
I didn't say this, stop lying. They will be on or just above the minimum
wage level. The reason why they "slum it" when here is because of the money
they "send home" to their families in Slav Land.
Frank F. Matthews
Chris X wrote:
> "Stephen Glynn" <stephe...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:vct7f.3557$iZ4....@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>
snip
>>Yeah, but Ivan won't have the benefit of paying Bratislava prices when he
>>does his shopping in his local Tescos or paying Bratislava rent on his
>>flat in London while he's here, will he?
>
>
> "Ivan" will subsist on cheapo zero-nutrition food from one of the giant
> supermarket cartels whilst slumming it in a family member's one bedroom
> studio "flat" .... probably along with three or four others of his ilk !
>
>
So 'Ivan' will be suffering a bad job with lousy wages and poor living
conditions so that you can have your work done for little money.
Chris X
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>
> Chris X wrote:
>
>> "Stephen Glynn" <stephe...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:vct7f.3557$iZ4....@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>>
> snip
>>>Yeah, but Ivan won't have the benefit of paying Bratislava prices when he
>>>does his shopping in his local Tescos or paying Bratislava rent on his
>>>flat in London while he's here, will he?
>>
>> "Ivan" will subsist on cheapo zero-nutrition food from one of the giant
>> supermarket cartels whilst slumming it in a family member's one bedroom
>> studio "flat" .... probably along with three or four others of his ilk !
> So 'Ivan' will be suffering a bad job with lousy wages
No, to him they'll be excellent wages, you idiot. So excellent that he will
send most of it back home to his relatives, in fact.
> poor living conditions so that you can have your work done for little
> money.
I would never employ a Slav.
Stel...@altavista.net
have a job and live out of benefits paid from taxes taken from these
unfortunate Slavs.
Chris X
news:1130266619.2...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> You have no job to offer to anybody, Slav or else. Actually you don't
> have a job and live out of benefits paid from taxes taken from these
> unfortunate Slavs.
You know nothing about me, alien.
"Unfortunate Slavs" ... Mwahahahahaha !
The Harbinger
It sounds like he has touched a nerve Chris? Do you have a job?
Chris X
news:ds2dnS4oS_RDl8Pe...@giganews.com...
> http://euobserver.com/9/20158
>
> Sixteen months after EU enlargement, an average of 16,000 eastern
> Europeans are arriving each month in the UK to work.
To summarise the situation rather brilliantly, allow me to refer you to the
third cartoon on this site which says it all. While you're there, take a
look at all five, especially the first and the fifth - a picture speaks a
thousand words, indeed.
Chris X
Mikein...@aol.com
>unemployment rate still as low as 4.7 percent.
Didn't you read this line then? >
Pure propaganda.
I meet lots of builders who are finding their work drying up as East
Europeans move in. But the unemployment figues are unaffected since
they don't stop work and sign on merely work less. That is a large part
of the secret of 'low employment'. A huge amount of part-time working
by people who used to work full time. Concealed by the unemployment
figures.
Further, the influx reduces the avenues by which those who are
unemployed can be employed. Blunkett is talking of getting a million on
the sick into work. Not a chance with immigration as it is.
Further, in a downturn who gets sacked first? The regular workers on
viable wages not the immigrants.
Stephen Glynn
But if they're sending money home, that's all the more reason for them
to take the higher wages on offer,. isn't it? C'mon, my question is
quite simple. People from Newcastle who move to London don't normally
don't accept a job at a wage that looks good by Newcastle standards but
is crap by London standards; they're perfectly capable of seeing what it
costs them to live in London and of looking in the Evening Standard and
seeing what various jobs are paying. Why do you assume that foreigners
work any differently?
Have you any particular evidence to back up your ideas? I know you
don't trust anyone's figures when they don't say what you want them to,
but have you noticed wages offered in your local paper falling over
since the new EU members joined? Are you, as an electrician, finding
people saying they won't pay your charges because they can get a Polish
electrician in to do it for less? I bet you haven't.
Steve
Chris X
Because you can't compare the wages of different parts of Britain with the
level of wages in Slav Land.
> Have you any particular evidence to back up your ideas? I know you don't
> trust anyone's figures when they don't say what you want them to, but have
> you noticed wages offered in your local paper falling over since the new
> EU members joined?
Not really, they're still shite - of course, they can only get *so* shite
with the minimum wage being there. But that's not the issue ... the issue is
the theft of these jobs from the indigineous British people by the Slavic
tide.
> Are you, as an electrician, finding people saying they won't pay your
> charges because they can get a Polish electrician in to do it for less?
> I bet you haven't.
I'm not short of work, like I said, I have two sub contractors now ....
Besides, Polish electricians are nowhere near as common as other tradesmen
due to war criminal Bliar's new regulations. Having said that, I know many
painters and decorators, plasterers, carpenters, bricklayers and labourers
who are suffering big time.
Frank Booth Snr
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:39:16 +0100, "Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>http://euobserver.com/9/20158
>>
>>Sixteen months after EU enlargement, an average of 16,000 eastern Europeans
>>are arriving each month in the UK to work.
>>
>>This is much more than expected ahead of enlargement, with a government
>>study last year forecasting an annual total of just 5,000 to 13,000 workers.
>>
>>But multicultural Britain has so far been able to absorb all the newcomers,
>>reports the New York Times.
>>
>>The new arrivals even seem to have strengthened the economy with the
>>unemployment rate still as low as 4.7 percent.
>
>
> quality software eng experience, served a 5 year electrical apprenticeship with
> a major engineering company and reasonably "good" at practical things (I have
> rebuilt several high performance auto engines), but I can't get a job - because
> I'm nearly 60 years old. My health is pretty good I'm glad to say but I can't
> even get past the enquiry letter/phone call stage. When I was younger I would
> estimate my job/interview success rate at about 70%. My wife who is a bit
> younger than me is a research chemist (she a graduate, speaks 3 languages and,
> like myself is a very conciencious worker) - but she earns peanuts (she can't
> get another job either. We're living off her meagre "salary" (<13k) and my
> savings of the past. I can't get unemployment benefit because of her income -
> although I'm currently trying to get a job shelf stacking or sweeping up
> somewhere. I can't work at my former job of years ago because Prescott changed
> the law/regulation regarding who can wire domestic installation under the
> pretence of making thing safer (real reason, closed shop for the Elec Inst and
> money making schemes for certain course-running organisations). The cost of
> requalifing is thousands of Ł. I am however, not alone in my situation.
>
> So where Mr bliar are the jobs for oldie white peple like myself? And what of
> pensions - and if I have to work until 101 just where do I get a job? Pahh!
Nothing to do with the new EU immigrants. What you are referring to is
ageism which started up in the UK around the late '80s or so. You do not
need to be 60. If you are over 40 and looking for work, you can have as
many qualifications and as much work experience as you like, but most
employers today are not going to be interested.
matthe...@ntlworld.nospamta.com
>>The new arrivals even seem to have strengthened the economy with the
>>unemployment rate still as low as 4.7 percent.
>
>Didn't you read this line then? >
>
>Pure propaganda.
Rubbish argument
>I meet lots of builders who are finding their work drying up as East
>Europeans move in. But the unemployment figues are unaffected since
>they don't stop work and sign on merely work less. That is a large part
>of the secret of 'low employment'. A huge amount of part-time working
>by people who used to work full time. Concealed by the unemployment
>figures.
Er... most part timers want to be.
>Further, the influx reduces the avenues by which those who are
>unemployed can be employed. Blunkett is talking of getting a million on
>the sick into work. Not a chance with immigration as it is.
More nonsense. Demand for labour is set by its value.
>Further, in a downturn who gets sacked first? The regular workers on
>viable wages not the immigrants.
More whining. Do you ever get up and feel happy?
--
cheers
matt
Ian Bailey
Yes he has. BNP Parrot. Pay - peanuts!
Ian
Mikein...@aol.com
ageism which started up in the UK around the late '80s or so. You do
not
need to be 60. If you are over 40 and looking for work, you can have as
many qualifications and as much work experience as you like, but most
employers today are not going to be interested. >
Employers will not take on older people if they can get younger ones.
And the supply of younger ones is provided by immigration.
Chris X
cqmman
> Besides, Polish electricians are nowhere near as common as other tradesmen
> due to war criminal Bliar's new regulations. Having said that, I know many
> painters and decorators, plasterers, carpenters, bricklayers and labourers
> who are suffering big time.
Not surprised. I have had so many builders do work at my place and they
drift in late, stop for regular breaks to read the Sun (half an hour at
a time), and bugger off early. All the while doing shoddy work so I
need to call them back to fix it, and leaving the place a mess.
Compare this to a "slav" decorator I had, who did a great job in half
the time that a "indigineous" decorator quoted, and not only that,
worked damn hard to get it finished, and I didn't need to call him back
later!
On top of that, "job stealing slav's" need to work, unlike many
"indigineous" scum who are quite happy to life off the taxes that the
rest of us pay.
Bring more Slavs in. If the "indigineous" people can't compete with
their hard working ethics, they can feel free to die or emmigrate
(which isn't actually hard for anyone with any skills). If they can
compete on quality, then great, they have nothing to worry about.
Chris X
"cqmman" <cqm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Do you often have this urge to spout MultiCulti consumerist claptrap verging
on treason ?
cqmman
that is spouted by people like you, and the kind of scum that think
that benefits are a gift, not an insurance policy.
The world is a big competitive place. Get over it.
Chris X
> Yes, in fact, I feel the urge whenever I read the self-rightous crap
> that is spouted by people like you, and the kind of scum that think
> that benefits are a gift, not an insurance policy.
Benefits are a right to the indigenous people of a country who pay their
taxes.
> The world is a big competitive place. Get over it.
More mindless globalist mutterings. What a useless idiot you are.
cqmman
they are a "right" to. In reality they should not be a "right" at all.
No one should be able to chose to go on benefits just like no one
should be able to chose to cash in their car insurance.
> More mindless globalist mutterings. What a useless idiot you are.
In other words, you know you cannot put up a reasonable argument so you
resort to the standard primary school tactics of name calling. Well
done.
Chris X
> No, benefits are currently a "right" to anyone who the goverment says
> they are a "right" to.
Oh look, a cheerleader for the nanny state as well.
> In reality they should not be a "right" at all.
LOL ! You're either an illegal immigrant or an incredibly useful idiot.
cqmman
Not at all. Although, it further backs up your inability to
distinguish between a fact and an observation. Not surprising really
after reading some of your other posts in this thread.
> LOL ! You're either an illegal immigrant or an incredibly useful idiot.
Certainly not an illegal immigrant, or in fact, an immigrant at all
really. As for "an incredibly useful idiot", I don't find idiots useful
myself, maybe you do. Maybe it was just another example of your
childish name calling. I guess you don't have much to fall back on do
you.
Chris X
>> Oh look, a cheerleader for the nanny state as well.
>
> Not at all.
You're a globalist determined to see this country under the thumb of big
business.
> Although, it further backs up your inability to
> distinguish between a fact and an observation. Not surprising really
> after reading some of your other posts in this thread.
>> LOL ! You're either an illegal immigrant or an incredibly useful idiot.
>
> Certainly not an illegal immigrant, or in fact, an immigrant at all
> really.
LOL ! Do elaborate ... I'm sure the truth will out, eventually.
tw
That's our Chris.. he's not dreadfully clever you see, so it's easy to back
him into a corner - at which point he erupts into a frenzy of childish
abuse. Even more amusingly, he censures others when they don't adrees his
(idiotic) points with the gravitas he thinks they're due!
All in all he's an excellent example of whty the BNP are utterly
unelectable - in fact, sometimes I wonder if he's actually some SWP sort
making them look bad..
cqmman
> business.
We are already under the thumb of big business! Why do you think we
have out performed all our European rivals over the past 20 years? If
wanting to see the UK more competitive, and wanting to see British less
dependent on the state, and more prepared and willing to take control
of their own future and lives makes me a globalist, well, yes perhaps I
am.
> LOL ! Do elaborate ... I'm sure the truth will out, eventually.
I am English. I was born here to English parents, English grandparents,
and English great grantparents (well, I think one might have been Irish
off the top of my head). I live here, have a British passport, and pay
UK taxes (although have never claimed any benefits while being out of
work. I prefer to plan ahead and take responsibility for my own life
where possible). Controversal I know.
cqmman
actually had a couple of good idea's (not many though, lets not get
carried away!). However if their ranks are filled with the "foaming at
the mouth, throwing logic out the window" crowd, it removes any benefit
to them existing at all.
cqmman
your absurb view that people should be treated based on the actions of
the ancestors, rather than THEIR actions. Which is of course ludicrous
to the vast majority of people.
Frank F. Matthews
Chris X wrote:
> "Frank F. Matthews" <frankfm...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Chris X wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Stephen Glynn" <stephe...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>
>>snip
>>
>>>>Yeah, but Ivan won't have the benefit of paying Bratislava prices when he
>>>>does his shopping in his local Tescos or paying Bratislava rent on his
>>>>flat in London while he's here, will he?
>>>
>>>"Ivan" will subsist on cheapo zero-nutrition food from one of the giant
>>>supermarket cartels whilst slumming it in a family member's one bedroom
>>>studio "flat" .... probably along with three or four others of his ilk !
>>
>>So 'Ivan' will be suffering a bad job with lousy wages
>
>
> No, to him they'll be excellent wages, you idiot. So excellent that he will
> send most of it back home to his relatives, in fact.
>
>
>>poor living conditions so that you can have your work done for little
>>money.
>
>
> I would never employ a Slav.
>
>
It's a good thing for your country that the air force didn't take that
tack at the beginning of WW II. Sometime go to London and take a look
at the monument to the slavs who saved your butt.
Ariadne
Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>
> It's a good thing for your country that the air force didn't take that
> tack at the beginning of WW II. Sometime go to London and take a look
> at the monument to the slavs who saved your butt.
The little Nazi knows no history.
Chris X
>> You're a globalist determined to see this country under the thumb of big
>> business.
>
> We are already under the thumb of big business! Why do you think we
> have out performed all our European rivals over the past 20 years?
Mwahahaha ! You mean "made more profits" for the bosses and a more
compliant, dumbed-down workforce that won't stand up for itself. Strange
how everyone wants to leave this country and move to other EU states with a
higher standard of living and a less stressful way of life, eh ?
Chris X
I don't have the view that people should be treated based on the actions of
"their ancestors".
Chris X
That's a total lie. If any Slavs helped us in any way it was the Russians.
cqmman
expected to catch up in the next 20 years. Go back just fifteen or
twenty years, and were were also smaller than both France, and Italy!
But yes, I suppose if you ignore that, and the growing number of
families who do things like, oh, take overseas holidays, buy second
homes overseas, own more cars, that kind of thing, then yes perhaps in
some way, we are worse off than we used to be.
As for people wanting to move to EU states, it is a less stressful way
of life. A change like that always is. Especially when people go from
working hard here in the UK, to in some cases working part time, and
spending the rest of the time on the beach or in the mountains. You
don't need to be a rocket scientist to work that out. Just as you don't
need to be a rocket scientist to see that there are more French coming
here than Brits going to France, and we also have a lot of immigrants
from Germany (also more than the other way around). Lots of other
countries could be added to that list.
Strange that this country is in such a bad state (apparently) but so
many people want to come here (as you yourself keep going on about).
Of course you could also ignore the other factors like economic growth,
and unemployment, but why add more facts to beat your dead horse?
cqmman
regardless of where there parents are from?
Chris X
> Huh? We are now the second largest economy,
And that's improved our way of life and general happiness how, exactly ?
> behind Germany, and
> expected to catch up in the next 20 years. Go back just fifteen or
> twenty years, and were were also smaller than both France, and Italy!
It's growth, growth, growth with you warmongering globalist filth, isn't it
?
> But yes, I suppose if you ignore that, and the growing number of
> families who do things like, oh, take overseas holidays, buy second
> homes overseas, own more cars, that kind of thing, then yes perhaps in
> some way, we are worse off than we used to be.
>
> As for people wanting to move to EU states, it is a less stressful way
> of life. A change like that always is. Especially when people go from
> working hard here in the UK, to in some cases working part time, and
> spending the rest of the time on the beach or in the mountains. You
> don't need to be a rocket scientist to work that out.
It's less stressful you bloody idiot because they can work a lot less in
other EU states and *still* live comfortably, where as in war criminal
Bliar's Britain, they have to work all the hours god sends just to STAND
STILL !
> Just as you don't
> need to be a rocket scientist to see that there are more French coming
> here than Brits going to France, and we also have a lot of immigrants
> from Germany (also more than the other way around). Lots of other
> countries could be added to that list.
Got any figures to back that up ?
> Strange that this country is in such a bad state (apparently) but so
> many people want to come here (as you yourself keep going on about).
The only reason the Slavs come here you bloody idiot, is because as the
suckers of Europe, the UK decided that they could come here and work no
questions asked while Germany, France and virtually all the other decent EU
states could see that they would steal all the indigineous people's jobs and
therefore decreed that they would need work permits !
> Of course you could also ignore the other factors like economic growth,
> and unemployment, but why add more facts to beat your dead horse?
What a load of crap. You really are a class one twat - you choose a shitty
builder to work on your house and then you get a "good" Slav to do the work,
and then slag off your entire own people ! Unbelievable !
Chris X
"conman" <cqm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1130357119....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> So you think that people in this country should be treated equally
> regardless of where there parents are from?
As long as they were born here, yes. What's wrong with that, lamer ?
Stephen Glynn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris X wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Stephen Glynn" <stephe...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:vct7f.3557$iZ4....@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris X wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Stephen Glynn" <stephe...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Chris X wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Ian Bailey" <a690hou...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:1130249975....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris X wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Ian Bailey" <a690hou...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:1130240815.6...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris X wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://euobserver.com/9/20158
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sixteen months after EU enlargement, an average of 16,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eastern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Europeans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>are arriving each month in the UK to work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This is much more than expected ahead of enlargement, with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>government
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>study last year forecasting an annual total of just 5,000 to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>13,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>workers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But multicultural Britain has so far been able to absorb all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>newcomers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reports the New York Times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The new arrivals even seem to have strengthened the economy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>unemployment rate still as low as 4.7 percent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>arrivals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they're not stealing jobs are they? The people who have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>laid off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>recently have seen jobs transferred abroad, not to incoming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"slavs".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't insult our intelligences by quoting our so-called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"government"'s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>fiddled statistics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You are of course welcome to post your own proof that slavs are
>>>>>>>>>>>>stealing people's jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>LOL ! Oh, those 16,000 Slavs arriving here every month are not
>>>>>>>>>>>coming here to do British people's jobs then ... just "doing
>>>>>>>>>>>Europe" in their University "gap" year, I suppose.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If John and Dave apply for the same job and John gets the job, John
>>>>>>>>>>can hardly be said to have 'stolen Dave's job'. Why's it
>>>>>>>>>>different when Ivan gets the job for which Dave unsuccessfully
>>>>>>>>>>applied (if he applied at all)?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Because, you idiot, "Ivan" comes from an eastern-bloc ghetto where
>>>>>>>>>this shite job in the UK pays a figure which he can only imagine
>>>>>>>>>earning in his wildest dreams in Bratislava.
>>>>>>>>>Although the job isn't very attractive to Brits, and contrary to
>>>>>>>>>what war criminal Bliar's "friends" in business tell us, there would
>>>>>>>>>however be a Brit that would take it, if only as a stop-gap until
>>>>>>>>>something better came along. *That* is where the theft happens.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This subject has been done to death on this newsgroup and I'm not
>>>>>>>>>going to waste any more time explaining in to those who should know
>>>>>>>>>by now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yeah, but Ivan won't have the benefit of paying Bratislava prices
>>>>>>>>when he does his shopping in his local Tescos or paying Bratislava
>>>>>>>>rent on his flat in London while he's here, will he?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ivan" will subsist on cheapo zero-nutrition food from one of the
>>>>>>>giant supermarket cartels whilst slumming it in a family member's one
>>>>>>>bedroom studio "flat" .... probably along with three or four others of
>>>>>>>his ilk !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>London were hiring people, I wonder? I mean, despite the fact that
>>>>>>secretaries in London expected to be paid twice what they'd get in less
>>>>>>affluent parts of the country, lasses who applied from outside London
>>>>>>and proposed to move to the Smoke if we gave them a job always seemed
>>>>>>to expect a London salary. Funny, that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You mentioned London, not me. I'm talking about the whole country.
>>>>>Besides, the last time you worked, they probably got their money in
>>>>>pounds, shillings and pence in a brown paper envelope every friday.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes, I did mention London. If people from Bratislava are, as you say
>>>>they are, prepared to accept Bratislava wages when they're working in
>>>>London,
>>>
>>>
>>>I didn't say this, stop lying. They will be on or just above the minimum
>>>wage level. The reason why they "slum it" when here is because of the
>>>money they "send home" to their families in Slav Land.
>>>
>>
>>But if they're sending money home, that's all the more reason for them to
>>take the higher wages on offer,. isn't it? C'mon, my question is quite
>>simple. People from Newcastle who move to London don't normally don't
>>accept a job at a wage that looks good by Newcastle standards but is crap
>>by London standards; they're perfectly capable of seeing what it costs
>>them to live in London and of looking in the Evening Standard and seeing
>>what various jobs are paying. Why do you assume that foreigners work any
>>differently?
>
>
> Because you can't compare the wages of different parts of Britain with the
> level of wages in Slav Land.
>
Why not, for these purposes? Someone from Newcastle has enough sense,
when looking at the wages on offer in London, to realise they aren't
directly comparable with what he'd earn for the same job in Newcastle
because the cost of living is so much higher in London than the North
East.
Do you think foreigners are incapable of making the same calculation?
Certainly when I was in Russia a lot in the early '90s I was often asked
what wages were like in the UK. After people had got over the shock of
converting this to roubles at the black market rate, the next question
was always 'How much does it cost to live there? What does it cost to
rent an apartment in London?'.
They're not fools, and, even if they are, they'll shortly change their
ideas about how much money is worth after they arrive here and celebrate
by buying a cup of tea and a cream bun, won't they?
>
>>Have you any particular evidence to back up your ideas? I know you don't
>>trust anyone's figures when they don't say what you want them to, but have
>>you noticed wages offered in your local paper falling over since the new
>>EU members joined?
>
>
> Not really, they're still shite - of course, they can only get *so* shite
> with the minimum wage being there. But that's not the issue ... the issue is
> the theft of these jobs from the indigineous British people by the Slavic
> tide.
>
>
>>Are you, as an electrician, finding people saying they won't pay your
>>charges because they can get a Polish electrician in to do it for less?
>>I bet you haven't.
>
>
> I'm not short of work, like I said, I have two sub contractors now ....
> Besides, Polish electricians are nowhere near as common as other tradesmen
> due to war criminal Bliar's new regulations. Having said that, I know many
> painters and decorators, plasterers, carpenters, bricklayers and labourers
> who are suffering big time.
>
>
>
And when you were choosing your two subcontractors, were you *primarily*
influenced by how little you could get away with paying them? Or did
you work on the principle that you know what it costs to pay a decent
subcontractor, you know you can cost this into your quotes and that the
customers will pay so long as they get a decent job done on time, and
that you were *primarily* interested in hiring good people at the going
rate?
I bet it was the latter; if it was, why do you think other employers
take a radically different attitude? I've never been in a situation,
either when I've been applying for jobs or involved in hiring people,
when finding the person it'll be cheapest to employ has been an issue.
Steve
Chris X
This is irrelevant waffle, and I might remind you that whether someone lives
in Newcastle or New Malden, they're still British people.
You've never worked on a self-employed basis and when you have "hired"
people, you'd always be paying them with other people's money - ie
ratepayers money !
cqmman
take your BNP membership off you for that!
cqmman
Well the government cannot force people to be happy, but by creating an
economic environment where people are working and earning more, they
allow people more choice in their life. Some people are too blind to
see the opportunities, but others are not, and have profited.
> It's growth, growth, growth with you warmongering globalist filth, isn't it?
More if the ridiculous insults.. Of course it is about economic growth.
If you don't think it is important, move to a different country. Go and
live in Outer Mongolia.
> It's less stressful you bloody idiot because they can work a lot less in
> other EU states and *still* live comfortably, where as in war criminal
> Bliar's Britain, they have to work all the hours god sends just to STAND
> STILL !
What utter rubbish. People here get stressed because they only have a
three bedroom house, or one car, or last years BMW. In other countries,
that isn't even an issue because other things (not material) are more
important. One of the downsides of captialism for the weak minded.
> Got any figures to back that up ?
Of course. Would you believe them anyway? I doubt it.
> The only reason the Slavs come here you bloody idiot, is because as the
> suckers of Europe, the UK decided that they could come here and work no
> questions asked while Germany, France and virtually all the other decent EU
> states could see that they would steal all the indigineous people's jobs and
> therefore decreed that they would need work permits !
Right, so it is Germany, France etc that are in the wrong, not the UK.
Or perhaps you can explain why German's and French should be allowed to
work here, but other Europeans cannot?
> What a load of crap. You really are a class one twat - you choose a shitty
> builder to work on your house and then you get a "good" Slav to do the work,
> and then slag off your entire own people ! Unbelievable !
So you are ignoring it and throwing more insults out. Surprise,
surprise.
Chris X
>> And that's improved our way of life and general happiness how, exactly ?
>
> Well the government cannot force people to be happy,
Quite - they're busy ensuring, through legislation that takes away our
liberties and rights, that we are in a state of perpetual insecurity, misery
and stress.
> but by creating an
> economic environment where people are working and earning more, they
> allow people more choice in their life. Some people are too blind to
> see the opportunities, but others are not, and have profited.
>
>> It's growth, growth, growth with you warmongering globalist filth, isn't
>> it?
>
> More if the ridiculous insults.. Of course it is about economic growth.
No it isn't. This obsession with "growth" in this twilight time of
cheap(ish) energy is something we need to leave behind, and fast.
> If you don't think it is important, move to a different country. Go and
> live in Outer Mongolia.
>
>> It's less stressful you bloody idiot because they can work a lot less in
>> other EU states and *still* live comfortably, where as in war criminal
>> Bliar's Britain, they have to work all the hours god sends just to STAND
>> STILL !
>
> What utter rubbish. People here get stressed because they only have a
> three bedroom house, or one car, or last years BMW. In other countries,
> that isn't even an issue because other things (not material) are more
> important. One of the downsides of captialism for the weak minded.
>
>> Got any figures to back that up ?
>
> Of course. Would you believe them anyway? I doubt it.
Best not bother to post a cite then, eh ? How convenient.
>> The only reason the Slavs come here you bloody idiot, is because as the
>> suckers of Europe, the UK decided that they could come here and work no
>> questions asked while Germany, France and virtually all the other decent
>> EU
>> states could see that they would steal all the indigineous people's jobs
>> and
>> therefore decreed that they would need work permits !
>
> Right, so it is Germany, France etc that are in the wrong, not the UK.
No it bloody well isn't - *they* got it right !
> Or perhaps you can explain why German's and French should be allowed to
> work here, but other Europeans cannot?
I don't have a problem with *any* EU citizens coming to live and work here,
apart from the Slavs of the former Eastern Bloc who should not even have
been admitted to the EU, let alone be shown the open door to come and steal
our jobs !
>> What a load of crap. You really are a class one twat - you choose a
>> shitty
>> builder to work on your house and then you get a "good" Slav to do the
>> work,
>> and then slag off your entire own people ! Unbelievable !
>
> So you are ignoring it and throwing more insults out. Surprise,
> surprise.
Not an insult on the same scale as the one you throw at your own people
through your treachery !
Stephen Glynn
Why's it irrelevant? You seem under the impression that foreigners,
unlike people from Newcastle (or New Malden), are incapable of realising
that when they compare London wages with what they get locally they have
also to compare London prices with what they pay locally before deciding
to take up a job in London. I don't see this at all.
Wrong on both counts, chum. But you haven't answered my question.
Steve
cqmman
> liberties and rights, that we are in a state of perpetual insecurity, misery
> and stress.
Only those that don't understand..
> No it isn't. This obsession with "growth" in this twilight time of
> cheap(ish) energy is something we need to leave behind, and fast.
No, dependency on fossil fuels in what we need to leave behind.
Economic growth will always be important. Or are you suggesting we go
back to the stone age?
> Best not bother to post a cite then, eh ? How convenient.
"The flow in the opposite direction is even more pronounced. There are
an estimated 270,000 French people registered as living in Britain,
according to the French Embassy. The real figure is higher as not all
French register when they come over. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4353794.stm
Immigrants from Germany:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/born_abroad/countries/html/overview.stm
> I don't have a problem with *any* EU citizens coming to live and work here,
> apart from the Slavs of the former Eastern Bloc who should not even have
> been admitted to the EU, let alone be shown the open door to come and steal
> our jobs !
Why?
> Not an insult on the same scale as the one you throw at your own people
> through your treachery !
A small but statistically significant portion of this country deserves
nothing but contempt. If it wasn't for the state keeping them alive,
(and thereby going against the spirit of evolution), it would be a much
nicer place.
Chris X
Look - I've already posted the reasons why the Slavs can and don't mind
"roughing" it in London or any other town in Britain above;
"Ivan" will subsist on cheapo zero-nutrition food from one of the
giant supermarket cartels whilst slumming it in a family member's
one bedroom studio "flat" .... probably along with three or four
others of his ilk !
>>>>>Have you any particular evidence to back up your ideas? I know you
OK, I see you're getting angry now since you called me "chum" ....
> But you haven't answered my question.
For what it's worth, it *was* the latter but I don't see what relevance it
has to the issue - besides, our line of work isn't exactly "unskilled" by
any stretch of the imagination like so many factory jobs that are being
stolen by Slavs, and I knew that by using them I wouldn't be depriving a
British person of a job.
Chris X
>> Quite - they're busy ensuring, through legislation that takes away our
>> liberties and rights, that we are in a state of perpetual insecurity,
>> misery
>> and stress.
>
> Only those that don't understand..
LOL ! Just bend over and "take it", eh ?
>> No it isn't. This obsession with "growth" in this twilight time of
>> cheap(ish) energy is something we need to leave behind, and fast.
>
> No, dependency on fossil fuels in what we need to leave behind.
> Economic growth will always be important. Or are you suggesting we go
> back to the stone age?
Are you suggesting there's no middle ground ?
>> Best not bother to post a cite then, eh ? How convenient.
>
> "The flow in the opposite direction is even more pronounced. There are
> an estimated 270,000 French people registered as living in Britain,
> according to the French Embassy. The real figure is higher as not all
> French register when they come over. "
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4353794.stm
>
> Immigrants from Germany:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/born_abroad/countries/html/overview.stm
>
>> I don't have a problem with *any* EU citizens coming to live and work
>> here,
>> apart from the Slavs of the former Eastern Bloc who should not even have
>> been admitted to the EU, let alone be shown the open door to come and
>> steal
>> our jobs !
>
> Why?
Because it isn't a level economic playing field, don't you *read* anything
here ?
OnlyMe summed up the situation brilliantly a couple of days ago;
It's like saying to someone.. "I've got a bucket of chocolate...and you've
got a bucket of pigshit.....and the government passes laws giving you the
right to half my bucket....but it's OK 'cos I can share yours"!!!!!
>> Not an insult on the same scale as the one you throw at your own people
>> through your treachery !
>
> A small but statistically significant portion of this country deserves
> nothing but contempt. If it wasn't for the state keeping them alive,
> (and thereby going against the spirit of evolution), it would be a much
> nicer place.
If you're trying to tell us that only dolies are wise to the sickening
reality of the globalist's agenda then you're very much mistaken.
cqmman
Chris X wrote:
> "cqmman" <cqm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1130362442.5...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> Quite - they're busy ensuring, through legislation that takes away our
> >> liberties and rights, that we are in a state of perpetual insecurity,
> >> misery
> >> and stress.
> >
> > Only those that don't understand..
>
> LOL ! Just bend over and "take it", eh ?
Not at all. I am not in a state of misery, stress, and perpetual
insecurity, but maybe I have a better grasp of the facts than those
that are.
>
> >> No it isn't. This obsession with "growth" in this twilight time of
> >> cheap(ish) energy is something we need to leave behind, and fast.
> >
> > No, dependency on fossil fuels in what we need to leave behind.
> > Economic growth will always be important. Or are you suggesting we go
> > back to the stone age?
>
> Are you suggesting there's no middle ground ?
There is vast amount of middle ground there. Perhaps you would like to
explain which part you are refering to? Or maybe you don't really have
any idea?
>
> >> Best not bother to post a cite then, eh ? How convenient.
> >
> > "The flow in the opposite direction is even more pronounced. There are
> > an estimated 270,000 French people registered as living in Britain,
> > according to the French Embassy. The real figure is higher as not all
> > French register when they come over. "
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4353794.stm
> >
> > Immigrants from Germany:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/born_abroad/countries/html/overview.stm
So no comment then? Funny that.
> >
> >> I don't have a problem with *any* EU citizens coming to live and work
> >> here,
> >> apart from the Slavs of the former Eastern Bloc who should not even have
> >> been admitted to the EU, let alone be shown the open door to come and
> >> steal
> >> our jobs !
> >
> > Why?
>
> Because it isn't a level economic playing field, don't you *read* anything
> here ?
> OnlyMe summed up the situation brilliantly a couple of days ago;
Of course it isn't! Where *is* it a level playing field. Even parts of
the UK are not a level playing field. Perhaps you would be better
suited to living in a communist society?
>
> It's like saying to someone.. "I've got a bucket of chocolate...and you've
> got a bucket of pigshit.....and the government passes laws giving you the
> right to half my bucket....but it's OK 'cos I can share yours"!!!!!
Yes brilliant. Perhaps someone could explain where my half of the
chocolate bucket has gone, because since the expansion of the EU, I can
get work done in my house for less, invest and work in even more EU
states, and therefore my "bucket of chocolate" actually goes further.
Of course if we are to look at the country as a whole, we can see that
cheap employment from immigrants (not just those from the new EU
members) fills jobs that Brits are loathe to do (in fact many would
just rather sit at home watching TV and moaning that the state are not
paying them enough for it), and taking it further, immigrants
contribute more to society in terms of tax, and claim less in terms of
benefits. They also provide skills that are in short supply here. But
hey, lets just gloss over all of this because no one wants to hear
anything *good* about immigration when they hear people like you (and
the Sun, Daily Hate, Daily Express, etc, etc) make uninformed and
ridiculous statements that are so far removed from reality that it is
really it funny that people take it seriously.
>
> >> Not an insult on the same scale as the one you throw at your own people
> >> through your treachery !
> >
> > A small but statistically significant portion of this country deserves
> > nothing but contempt. If it wasn't for the state keeping them alive,
> > (and thereby going against the spirit of evolution), it would be a much
> > nicer place.
>
> If you're trying to tell us that only dolies are wise to the sickening
> reality of the globalist's agenda then you're very much mistaken.
What? No, some dolies (not all by any means) are only wise to the fact
that they can get something for "nothing", where "nothing" is actually
paid for by those of us who work for a living.
Chris X
>
> Chris X wrote:
>> "cqmman" <cqm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1130362442.5...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> Quite - they're busy ensuring, through legislation that takes away our
>> >> liberties and rights, that we are in a state of perpetual insecurity,
>> >> misery
>> >> and stress.
>> >
>> > Only those that don't understand..
>>
>> LOL ! Just bend over and "take it", eh ?
>
> Not at all. I am not in a state of misery, stress, and perpetual
> insecurity, but maybe I have a better grasp of the facts than those
> that are.
No, you're probably an overpaid stuffed shirt who's never got his hands
dirty during an honest day's work. The epitome of all that's wrong with
this country.
>> >> No it isn't. This obsession with "growth" in this twilight time of
>> >> cheap(ish) energy is something we need to leave behind, and fast.
>> >
>> > No, dependency on fossil fuels in what we need to leave behind.
>> > Economic growth will always be important. Or are you suggesting we go
>> > back to the stone age?
>>
>> Are you suggesting there's no middle ground ?
>
> There is vast amount of middle ground there. Perhaps you would like to
> explain which part you are refering to? Or maybe you don't really have
> any idea?
Care to tell us what's so wrong about not gaining another 0.1% of economic
growth per annum ?
>> >> Best not bother to post a cite then, eh ? How convenient.
>> >
>> > "The flow in the opposite direction is even more pronounced. There are
>> > an estimated 270,000 French people registered as living in Britain,
>> > according to the French Embassy. The real figure is higher as not all
>> > French register when they come over. "
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4353794.stm
>> >
>> > Immigrants from Germany:
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/born_abroad/countries/html/overview.stm
>
> So no comment then? Funny that.
The comings and goings of citizens of France/Germany/any other member of the
EU-17 into or out of Britain don't concern me, I thought I'd made that
clear.
>> >> I don't have a problem with *any* EU citizens coming to live and work
>> >> here,
>> >> apart from the Slavs of the former Eastern Bloc who should not even
>> >> have
>> >> been admitted to the EU, let alone be shown the open door to come and
>> >> steal our jobs !
>> >
>> > Why?
>>
>> Because it isn't a level economic playing field, don't you *read*
>> anything
>> here ?
>> OnlyMe summed up the situation brilliantly a couple of days ago;
>
> Of course it isn't! Where *is* it a level playing field. Even parts of
> the UK are not a level playing field.
The standards of living and wages across the whole EU-17 are sufficiently
level with one another to create a viable single economic entity, the
differences are negligible when you look at the big picture. We are all
"Premiership" teams - however, if we are in the "Premiership" then the Slav
states are near the bottom of the "Conference", and *that* is the issue at
stake here.
>> It's like saying to someone.. "I've got a bucket of chocolate...and
>> you've
>> got a bucket of pigshit.....and the government passes laws giving you the
>> right to half my bucket....but it's OK 'cos I can share yours"!!!!!
>
> Yes brilliant. Perhaps someone could explain where my half of the
> chocolate bucket has gone, because since the expansion of the EU, I can
> get work done in my house for less,
Self, self, self.
> invest and work in even more EU
> states,
When are you off to work in Slovakia with its legendary high wages and
wonderful infrastructure then ?
> and therefore my "bucket of chocolate" actually goes further.
> Of course if we are to look at the country as a whole, we can see that
> cheap employment from immigrants (not just those from the new EU
> members) fills jobs that Brits are loathe to do
But they did them. Now they don't even have that chance.
> (in fact many would
> just rather sit at home watching TV and moaning that the state are not
> paying them enough for it), and taking it further, immigrants
> contribute more to society in terms of tax, and claim less in terms of
> benefits. They also provide skills that are in short supply here.
Bullcrap - they do unskilled labour. The same unskilled jobs that you've
just tried to tell us that British people "don't want" to do.
> But
> hey, lets just gloss over all of this because no one wants to hear
> anything *good* about immigration when they hear people like you (and
> the Sun, Daily Hate, Daily Express, etc, etc) make uninformed and
> ridiculous statements that are so far removed from reality that it is
> really it funny that people take it seriously.
The worthless rags you mention support your sick globalist agenda, in case
you didn't know.
>> >> Not an insult on the same scale as the one you throw at your own
>> >> people
>> >> through your treachery !
>> >
>> > A small but statistically significant portion of this country deserves
>> > nothing but contempt. If it wasn't for the state keeping them alive,
>> > (and thereby going against the spirit of evolution), it would be a much
>> > nicer place.
>>
>> If you're trying to tell us that only dolies are wise to the sickening
>> reality of the globalist's agenda then you're very much mistaken.
>
> What? No, some dolies (not all by any means) are only wise to the fact
> that they can get something for "nothing", where "nothing" is actually
> paid for by those of us who work for a living.
So what's your line ? Come on, don't be shy ...
Frank F. Matthews
Chris X wrote:
List of Polish Pilots who took
part in the Battle of Britain
Sgt. T ANDRUSZKOW
F/Lt. W BARANSKI
Sgt. A BEDA
Sgt. M BELC
P/O B BERNAS
F/O J BOROWSKI
F/Lt. S BRZEZINA
Sgt. M BRZEZOWSKI
Sgt. J BUDZINSKI
F/O A CEBRZYNSKI
P/O S J CHALUPA
P/O M CHELMECKI
F/Lt. T CHLOPIK
P/O F CZAJKOWSKI
P/O J M CZERNIAK
F/Lt. J T CZERNY
P/O T CZERWINSKI
P/O S CZTERNASTEK
P/O J K M DASZEWSKI
Sgt. M B DOMAGALA
P/O B H DROBINSKI
F/O M DURYASZ
Sgt. S DUSZYNSKI
F/O J FALKOWSKI
P/O M FERIC
F/Lt. J FREY
F/O A K GABSZEWICZ
Sgt. P P GALLUS
P/O J GIL
Sgt. A GLOWACKI
P/O W J GLOWACKI
Sgt. F GMUR
P/O W GNYS
P/O M GORZULA
F/O B GROSZEWSKI
F/O F GRUSZKA
F/O B GRZESZCZAK
F/Lt. Z K HENNEBERG
P/O Z JANICKI
P/O J JANKIEWICZ
F/O W JANUSZEWICZ
F/Lt. F JASTRZEBSKI
Sgt. J JEKA
P/O E W JERECZEK
Sgt. S KARUBIN
P/O W E KARWOWSKI
P/O T W KAWALECKI
Sgt. S KITA
P/O S KLECZKOWSKI
Sgt. Z KLEIN
Sgt. W KLOZINSKI
Sgt. W KOSARZ
F/Lt. B K KOSINSKI
Sgt. J KOWALSKI
F/O J KOWALSKI
P/O F KOZLOWSKI
F/Lt. Z KRASNODEBSKI
P/O W KREPSKI
F/O W S KROL
P/O T L KUMIEGA
F/O Z KUSTRZYNSKI
F/Sgt. J KWIECINSKI
F/Lt. P LAGUNA
P/O S LAPKA
P/O W LAPKOWSKI
F/O W LAZORYK
P/O W LOKUCIEWSKI
F/O K LUKASZEWICZ
Sgt. A LYSEK
Sgt. M M MACIEJOWSKI
P/O J MACINSKI
Sgt. B MALINOWSKI
P/O J L MALINSKI
Sgt. M S MARCINKOWSKI
Sgt. A L MARKIEWICZ
P/O L MARTEL
P/O B MIERZWA
P/O W MIKSA
Sgt. K A MUCHOWSKI
Sgt. W MUDRY
S/Ldr. M MUMLER
P/O A R NARUCKI
P/O P NIEMIEC
P/O Z NOSOWICZ
P/O T NOWAK
Sgt. E J A NOWAKIEWICZ
F/O T NOWIERSKI
F/O Z OLENSKI
Sgt. B OLEWINSKI
S/Ldr. J ORZECHOWSKI
F/O P OSTASZEWSKI-OSTOJA
P/O A OSTOWICZ
Sgt. J PALAK
P/O J H PALUSINSKI
F/Lt. W PANKRATZ
F/O L W PASZKIEWICZ
Sgt. E PATEREK
P/O J P PFEIFFER
P/O S PIATKOWSKI
P/O E R PILCH
F/O M PISAREK
P/O K PNIAK
P/O J POPLAWSKI
P/O J RADOMSKI
P/O G RADWANSKI
Sgt. J A ROGOWSKI
P/O M ROZWADOWSKI
P/O W ROZYCKI
P/O W M C SAMOLINSKI
Sgt. W SASAK
F/O T SAWICZ
Sgt. A SEREDYN
Sgt. A SIUDAK
P/O H SKALSKI
P/O S SKALSKI
Sgt. H SKOWRON
P/O J J SOLAK
F/O M J STEBOROWSKI
P/O S STEGMAN
P/O F SURMA
Sgt. L SWITON
Sgt. W SZAFRANIEC
Sgt. E SZAPOSZNIKOW
P/O H SZCZESNY
Sgt. J SZLAGOWSKI
P/O W SZULKOWSKI
F/O J TOPOLNICKI
S/Ldr. W URBANOWICZ
P/O S WAPNIAREK
P/O A WCZELIK
Sgt. M WEDZIK
P/O S WITORZENC
P/O B A WLASNOWOLSKI
Sgt. A WOJCICKI
Sgt. M I WOJCIECHOWSKI
Sgt. S WOJTOWICZ
P/O Z T A WROBLEWSKI
F/Sgt. K WUNSCHE
P/O B WYDROWSKI
F/O W ZAK
Sgt. J ZALUSKI
P/O P ZENKER
P/O A ZUKOWSKI
P/O J E L ZUMBACH
P/O J ZURAKOWSKI
Battle of Britain Monument
© Battle of Britain London Monument Ltd 2005
Chris X
(Snip !)
Wow. Fifty or so names that would give you a high score in Scrabble. Is that
supposed to be "poignant", Matthews ? It doesn't change the fact that
British people are being put out of work by Slavs in Britain here and now,
which is all we're interested in.
Petronius
He runs an 'employment agency' which brings Slavs into the country :-D
"It is fear that first brought gods into the world."
uNkulunkulu
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So if you lazy *nglish bastards would get of your arse and get of the dole
we would not need to import labour to do your work for you.
--
VOTE FOR AN INDEPENDENT ENGLAND
VOTE SNP
uNkulunkulu
uMvelinqangi
Mina bona wena
mina bona lo mombi yena lo shatini
Skat lo Boss yena fika, nika yena iwhisky
Chris X
"uNkulunkulu" <iz...@kya.kamina> wrote in message
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Don't you just *love* Scottish Nationalists ? (Snigger !)
cqmman
Chris X wrote:
> "cqmman" <cqm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1130363876....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Chris X wrote:
> >> "cqmman" <cqm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:1130362442.5...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> >> Quite - they're busy ensuring, through legislation that takes away our
> >> >> liberties and rights, that we are in a state of perpetual insecurity,
> >> >> misery
> >> >> and stress.
> >> >
> >> > Only those that don't understand..
> >>
> >> LOL ! Just bend over and "take it", eh ?
> >
> > Not at all. I am not in a state of misery, stress, and perpetual
> > insecurity, but maybe I have a better grasp of the facts than those
> > that are.
>
> No, you're probably an overpaid stuffed shirt who's never got his hands
> dirty during an honest day's work. The epitome of all that's wrong with
> this country.
Oh the irony.
>
> >> >> No it isn't. This obsession with "growth" in this twilight time of
> >> >> cheap(ish) energy is something we need to leave behind, and fast.
> >> >
> >> > No, dependency on fossil fuels in what we need to leave behind.
> >> > Economic growth will always be important. Or are you suggesting we go
> >> > back to the stone age?
> >>
> >> Are you suggesting there's no middle ground ?
> >
> > There is vast amount of middle ground there. Perhaps you would like to
> > explain which part you are refering to? Or maybe you don't really have
> > any idea?
>
> Care to tell us what's so wrong about not gaining another 0.1% of economic
> growth per annum ?
Care to actually answer the question?
>
> >> >> Best not bother to post a cite then, eh ? How convenient.
> >> >
> >> > "The flow in the opposite direction is even more pronounced. There are
> >> > an estimated 270,000 French people registered as living in Britain,
> >> > according to the French Embassy. The real figure is higher as not all
> >> > French register when they come over. "
> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4353794.stm
> >> >
> >> > Immigrants from Germany:
> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/born_abroad/countries/html/overview.stm
> >
> > So no comment then? Funny that.
>
> The comings and goings of citizens of France/Germany/any other member of the
> EU-17 into or out of Britain don't concern me, I thought I'd made that
> clear.
LOL! So if they are no concern, why were you so worried about the cite?
Perhaps because you thought it was untrue, and now that you have been
provided a cite, you have simply decided that it is no longer relevent.
Despite the fact that it contracts you previous stated position. How
convienient.
>
> >> >> I don't have a problem with *any* EU citizens coming to live and work
> >> >> here,
> >> >> apart from the Slavs of the former Eastern Bloc who should not even
> >> >> have
> >> >> been admitted to the EU, let alone be shown the open door to come and
> >> >> steal our jobs !
> >> >
> >> > Why?
> >>
> >> Because it isn't a level economic playing field, don't you *read*
> >> anything
> >> here ?
> >> OnlyMe summed up the situation brilliantly a couple of days ago;
> >
> > Of course it isn't! Where *is* it a level playing field. Even parts of
> > the UK are not a level playing field.
>
> The standards of living and wages across the whole EU-17 are sufficiently
> level with one another to create a viable single economic entity,
Care to define this, or do you just define it to fit with the facts you
are presented with at the time?
> the
> differences are negligible when you look at the big picture.
Definitions please. What do you consider to be "negligible"?
> We are all
> "Premiership" teams - however, if we are in the "Premiership" then the Slav
> states are near the bottom of the "Conference", and *that* is the issue at
> stake here.
That is even more arbitrary than your previous statements.
>
> >> It's like saying to someone.. "I've got a bucket of chocolate...and
> >> you've
> >> got a bucket of pigshit.....and the government passes laws giving you the
> >> right to half my bucket....but it's OK 'cos I can share yours"!!!!!
> >
> > Yes brilliant. Perhaps someone could explain where my half of the
> > chocolate bucket has gone, because since the expansion of the EU, I can
> > get work done in my house for less,
>
> Self, self, self.
Examples, examples, examples, of the opportunites to those that look
and are prepared to work for it rather than wait for hand outs.
>
> > invest and work in even more EU
> > states,
>
> When are you off to work in Slovakia with its legendary high wages and
> wonderful infrastructure then ?
Actually, compared to the standard of living, I would have more
disposable income than in the UK. But, money isn't everything and my
reasons for working in the UK are not based around that entirely.
>
> > and therefore my "bucket of chocolate" actually goes further.
> > Of course if we are to look at the country as a whole, we can see that
> > cheap employment from immigrants (not just those from the new EU
> > members) fills jobs that Brits are loathe to do
>
> But they did them. Now they don't even have that chance.
Complete rubbish. Have you been to a job centre and seen the number of
jobs available? Have you see the unemployment figures? Why do we still
have a much lower unemployment record than our European rivals? Why are
any changes in unemployment so small? Why are wages still increasing
faster than inflation?
>
> > (in fact many would
> > just rather sit at home watching TV and moaning that the state are not
> > paying them enough for it), and taking it further, immigrants
> > contribute more to society in terms of tax, and claim less in terms of
> > benefits. They also provide skills that are in short supply here.
>
> Bullcrap - they do unskilled labour. The same unskilled jobs that you've
> just tried to tell us that British people "don't want" to do.
Maybe if you worked in a professional industry, you would find that
there are industries that are having to look overseas because they
cannot find the skilled people here, hence immigration from outside the
EU. Quite simple I thought.
>
> > But
> > hey, lets just gloss over all of this because no one wants to hear
> > anything *good* about immigration when they hear people like you (and
> > the Sun, Daily Hate, Daily Express, etc, etc) make uninformed and
> > ridiculous statements that are so far removed from reality that it is
> > really it funny that people take it seriously.
>
> The worthless rags you mention support your sick globalist agenda, in case
> you didn't know.
LOL! Yep, the Sun, Daily Mail etc are queueing up to bendover backwards
to welcome immigrants...
>
> >> >> Not an insult on the same scale as the one you throw at your own
> >> >> people
> >> >> through your treachery !
> >> >
> >> > A small but statistically significant portion of this country deserves
> >> > nothing but contempt. If it wasn't for the state keeping them alive,
> >> > (and thereby going against the spirit of evolution), it would be a much
> >> > nicer place.
> >>
> >> If you're trying to tell us that only dolies are wise to the sickening
> >> reality of the globalist's agenda then you're very much mistaken.
> >
> > What? No, some dolies (not all by any means) are only wise to the fact
> > that they can get something for "nothing", where "nothing" is actually
> > paid for by those of us who work for a living.
>
> So what's your line ? Come on, don't be shy ...
My line? I don't know what you are referring to.
Chris X
>
> Chris X wrote:
>> "cqmman" <cqm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1130363876....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Chris X wrote:
>> >> "cqmman" <cqm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> news:1130362442.5...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >>
>> >> >> Quite - they're busy ensuring, through legislation that takes away
>> >> >> our
>> >> >> liberties and rights, that we are in a state of perpetual
>> >> >> insecurity,
>> >> >> misery
>> >> >> and stress.
>> >> >
>> >> > Only those that don't understand..
>> >>
>> >> LOL ! Just bend over and "take it", eh ?
>> >
>> > Not at all. I am not in a state of misery, stress, and perpetual
>> > insecurity, but maybe I have a better grasp of the facts than those
>> > that are.
>>
>> No, you're probably an overpaid stuffed shirt who's never got his hands
>> dirty during an honest day's work. The epitome of all that's wrong with
>> this country.
>
> Oh the irony.
Looks like I hit the nail on the head.
>> >> >> No it isn't. This obsession with "growth" in this twilight time of
>> >> >> cheap(ish) energy is something we need to leave behind, and fast.
>> >> >
>> >> > No, dependency on fossil fuels in what we need to leave behind.
>> >> > Economic growth will always be important. Or are you suggesting we
>> >> > go
>> >> > back to the stone age?
>> >>
>> >> Are you suggesting there's no middle ground ?
>> >
>> > There is vast amount of middle ground there. Perhaps you would like to
>> > explain which part you are refering to? Or maybe you don't really have
>> > any idea?
>>
>> Care to tell us what's so wrong about not gaining another 0.1% of
>> economic
>> growth per annum ?
>
> Care to actually answer the question?
I have.
Probably around the fact that you *know* the place is a shithole run by
gangsters but you can't bring yourself to say it due to your PC globalist
brainwashing.
>> > and therefore my "bucket of chocolate" actually goes further.
>> > Of course if we are to look at the country as a whole, we can see that
>> > cheap employment from immigrants (not just those from the new EU
>> > members) fills jobs that Brits are loathe to do
>>
>> But they did them. Now they don't even have that chance.
>
> Complete rubbish. Have you been to a job centre and seen the number of
> jobs available?
LOL ! I've seen the wages on offer too ! I also know that most of those
advertised jobs don't actually exist !
> Have you see the unemployment figures? Why do we still
> have a much lower unemployment record than our European rivals?
Because those figures, as everyone knows, are one big FRAUD.
> Why are
> any changes in unemployment so small? Why are wages still increasing
> faster than inflation?
LOL ! For you, maybe. For real people in the real world, they are seeing
their pay cut time and time again as war criminal Bliar introduces ever more
indirect stealth taxes and the cost of buying or renting a house or flat
continues to rocket.
>> > (in fact many would
>> > just rather sit at home watching TV and moaning that the state are not
>> > paying them enough for it), and taking it further, immigrants
>> > contribute more to society in terms of tax, and claim less in terms of
>> > benefits. They also provide skills that are in short supply here.
>>
>> Bullcrap - they do unskilled labour. The same unskilled jobs that you've
>> just tried to tell us that British people "don't want" to do.
>
> Maybe if you worked in a professional industry,
Oooh, you mean like one where you don't actually *do* anything but spout
bullshit and never get your hands dirty ? No thanks.
> you would find that
> there are industries that are having to look overseas because they
> cannot find the skilled people here, hence immigration from outside the
> EU. Quite simple I thought.
More corporate globalist propaganda - disregarded.
>> > But
>> > hey, lets just gloss over all of this because no one wants to hear
>> > anything *good* about immigration when they hear people like you (and
>> > the Sun, Daily Hate, Daily Express, etc, etc) make uninformed and
>> > ridiculous statements that are so far removed from reality that it is
>> > really it funny that people take it seriously.
>>
>> The worthless rags you mention support your sick globalist agenda, in
>> case
>> you didn't know.
>
> LOL! Yep, the Sun, Daily Mail etc are queueing up to bendover backwards
> to welcome immigrants...
They would never advocate otherwise for the same reason that the tories
wouldn't - they are run by international finance who need their constant
supply of cheap labour. You're really not very bright at all.
>> >> >> Not an insult on the same scale as the one you throw at your own
>> >> >> people
>> >> >> through your treachery !
>> >> >
>> >> > A small but statistically significant portion of this country
>> >> > deserves
>> >> > nothing but contempt. If it wasn't for the state keeping them alive,
>> >> > (and thereby going against the spirit of evolution), it would be a
>> >> > much
>> >> > nicer place.
>> >>
>> >> If you're trying to tell us that only dolies are wise to the sickening
>> >> reality of the globalist's agenda then you're very much mistaken.
>> >
>> > What? No, some dolies (not all by any means) are only wise to the fact
>> > that they can get something for "nothing", where "nothing" is actually
>> > paid for by those of us who work for a living.
>>
>> So what's your line ? Come on, don't be shy ...
>
> My line? I don't know what you are referring to.
FFS, your line of "work". Your "job". Come on, give us all a good laugh :)
cqmman
What do you do for a job? I work 45+ hours a week. I don't see any
problem in that at all.
>
> >> >> >> No it isn't. This obsession with "growth" in this twilight time of
> >> >> >> cheap(ish) energy is something we need to leave behind, and fast.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No, dependency on fossil fuels in what we need to leave behind.
> >> >> > Economic growth will always be important. Or are you suggesting we
> >> >> > go
> >> >> > back to the stone age?
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you suggesting there's no middle ground ?
> >> >
> >> > There is vast amount of middle ground there. Perhaps you would like to
> >> > explain which part you are refering to? Or maybe you don't really have
> >> > any idea?
> >>
> >> Care to tell us what's so wrong about not gaining another 0.1% of
> >> economic
> >> growth per annum ?
> >
> > Care to actually answer the question?
>
> I have.
No you haven't. You were referring to middle ground. Lets hear about
it.
> >> >> >> Best not bother to post a cite then, eh ? How convenient.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "The flow in the opposite direction is even more pronounced. There
> >> >> > are
> >> >> > an estimated 270,000 French people registered as living in Britain,
> >> >> > according to the French Embassy. The real figure is higher as not
> >> >> > all
> >> >> > French register when they come over. "
> >> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4353794.stm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Immigrants from Germany:
> >> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/born_abroad/countries/html/overview.stm
> >> >
> >> > So no comment then? Funny that.
> >>
> >> The comings and goings of citizens of France/Germany/any other member of
> >> the
> >> EU-17 into or out of Britain don't concern me, I thought I'd made that
> >> clear.
> >
> > LOL! So if they are no concern, why were you so worried about the cite?
> > Perhaps because you thought it was untrue, and now that you have been
> > provided a cite, you have simply decided that it is no longer relevent.
> > Despite the fact that it contracts you previous stated position. How
> > convienient.
Looks like *I* hit the nail on the head.
> >
> >>
> >> >> >> I don't have a problem with *any* EU citizens coming to live and
> >> >> >> work
> >> >> >> here,
> >> >> >> apart from the Slavs of the former Eastern Bloc who should not even
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> been admitted to the EU, let alone be shown the open door to come
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> steal our jobs !
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why?
> >> >>
> >> >> Because it isn't a level economic playing field, don't you *read*
> >> >> anything
> >> >> here ?
> >> >> OnlyMe summed up the situation brilliantly a couple of days ago;
> >> >
> >> > Of course it isn't! Where *is* it a level playing field. Even parts of
> >> > the UK are not a level playing field.
> >>
> >> The standards of living and wages across the whole EU-17 are sufficiently
> >> level with one another to create a viable single economic entity,
> >
> > Care to define this, or do you just define it to fit with the facts you
> > are presented with at the time?
So none then.
> >
> >> the
> >> differences are negligible when you look at the big picture.
> >
> > Definitions please. What do you consider to be "negligible"?
So none then.
Ah, spoken like someone who has spent 0 time there.
>
> >> > and therefore my "bucket of chocolate" actually goes further.
> >> > Of course if we are to look at the country as a whole, we can see that
> >> > cheap employment from immigrants (not just those from the new EU
> >> > members) fills jobs that Brits are loathe to do
> >>
> >> But they did them. Now they don't even have that chance.
> >
> > Complete rubbish. Have you been to a job centre and seen the number of
> > jobs available?
>
> LOL ! I've seen the wages on offer too ! I also know that most of those
> advertised jobs don't actually exist !
Of course! Companies spend lots of money advertising for jobs that
don't exist.. And the black helicopters are real! Honestly! LOL!
>
> > Have you see the unemployment figures? Why do we still
> > have a much lower unemployment record than our European rivals?
>
> Because those figures, as everyone knows, are one big FRAUD.
Right. So shall we have a "Chris X" index for unemployment? Lets ignore
all the statistics put together by government bodies and other agencies
and take the word of someone like you, who would probably base it on
nothing but his own misguided assumptions. Yep, sounds like a great
idea!
>
> > Why are
> > any changes in unemployment so small? Why are wages still increasing
> > faster than inflation?
>
> LOL ! For you, maybe. For real people in the real world, they are seeing
> their pay cut time and time again as war criminal Bliar introduces ever more
> indirect stealth taxes and the cost of buying or renting a house or flat
> continues to rocket.
Ignoring statistics again I see. Why let facts get in the way of your
own personal opinion.
>
> >> > (in fact many would
> >> > just rather sit at home watching TV and moaning that the state are not
> >> > paying them enough for it), and taking it further, immigrants
> >> > contribute more to society in terms of tax, and claim less in terms of
> >> > benefits. They also provide skills that are in short supply here.
> >>
> >> Bullcrap - they do unskilled labour. The same unskilled jobs that you've
> >> just tried to tell us that British people "don't want" to do.
> >
> > Maybe if you worked in a professional industry,
>
> Oooh, you mean like one where you don't actually *do* anything but spout
> bullshit and never get your hands dirty ? No thanks.
The one you assume I work in? So many misguided assumptions. Perhaps if
you dropped them, you might be able to get a clearer view of the world!
Nice attempt at deflection though.
You can't argue with the fact that companies *have* to recruit skilled
labour from overseas, so you return to attacking the messsenger. Well
done again!
>
> > you would find that
> > there are industries that are having to look overseas because they
> > cannot find the skilled people here, hence immigration from outside the
> > EU. Quite simple I thought.
>
> More corporate globalist propaganda - disregarded.
See above.
>
> >> > But
> >> > hey, lets just gloss over all of this because no one wants to hear
> >> > anything *good* about immigration when they hear people like you (and
> >> > the Sun, Daily Hate, Daily Express, etc, etc) make uninformed and
> >> > ridiculous statements that are so far removed from reality that it is
> >> > really it funny that people take it seriously.
> >>
> >> The worthless rags you mention support your sick globalist agenda, in
> >> case
> >> you didn't know.
> >
> > LOL! Yep, the Sun, Daily Mail etc are queueing up to bendover backwards
> > to welcome immigrants...
>
> They would never advocate otherwise for the same reason that the tories
> wouldn't - they are run by international finance who need their constant
> supply of cheap labour. You're really not very bright at all.
Of course. There, there. Sit down and relax. You obviously haven't read
any of these papers!
> >> >> >> Not an insult on the same scale as the one you throw at your own
> >> >> >> people
> >> >> >> through your treachery !
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A small but statistically significant portion of this country
> >> >> > deserves
> >> >> > nothing but contempt. If it wasn't for the state keeping them alive,
> >> >> > (and thereby going against the spirit of evolution), it would be a
> >> >> > much
> >> >> > nicer place.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you're trying to tell us that only dolies are wise to the sickening
> >> >> reality of the globalist's agenda then you're very much mistaken.
> >> >
> >> > What? No, some dolies (not all by any means) are only wise to the fact
> >> > that they can get something for "nothing", where "nothing" is actually
> >> > paid for by those of us who work for a living.
> >>
> >> So what's your line ? Come on, don't be shy ...
> >
> > My line? I don't know what you are referring to.
>
> FFS, your line of "work". Your "job". Come on, give us all a good laugh :)
Why? How is it relevent? Do you base your opinions on people or what
they say, according to what they do for a job?
Petronius
>Chris X wrote:
>> >> So what's your line ? Come on, don't be shy ...
>> >
>> > My line? I don't know what you are referring to.
>>
>> FFS, your line of "work". Your "job". Come on, give us all a good laugh :)
>
>Why? How is it relevent? Do you base your opinions on people or what
>they say, according to what they do for a job?
Sometimes their jobs explain their views, and it looks like I was
right:-
You run an 'employment agency' which brings Slavs into the country :-D
Frank F. Matthews
Chris X wrote:
I'm fascinated by your dislike of Slavs. AS I remember the statistics
something over 15% of the German planes brought down during the Battle
of Britain were brought down by those Slavs who you so despise. But I'm
sure that you have no interest in old history. Unless it enhances one
of your prejudices.
aberstwyth
>
> Really! I have 2 univ degrees in engineering (electronics), 30 years practical
> quality software eng experience, served a 5 year electrical apprenticeship with
> a major engineering company and reasonably "good" at practical things (I have
> rebuilt several high performance auto engines), but I can't get a job - because
> I'm nearly 60 years old. My health is pretty good I'm glad to say but I can't
> even get past the enquiry letter/phone call stage. When I was younger I would
> estimate my job/interview success rate at about 70%. My wife who is a bit
> younger than me is a research chemist (she a graduate, speaks 3 languages and,
> like myself is a very conciencious worker) - but she earns peanuts (she can't
> get another job either. We're living off her meagre "salary" (<13k) and my
> savings of the past. I can't get unemployment benefit because of her income -
> although I'm currently trying to get a job shelf stacking or sweeping up
> somewhere. I can't work at my former job of years ago because Prescott changed
> the law/regulation regarding who can wire domestic installation under the
> pretence of making thing safer (real reason, closed shop for the Elec Inst and
> money making schemes for certain course-running organisations). The cost of
> requalifing is thousands of £. I am however, not alone in my situation.
>
> So where Mr bliar are the jobs for oldie white peple like myself? And what of
> pensions - and if I have to work until 101 just where do I get a job? Pahh!
Large numbers of potential British citizens are building up at Calais
again to the extent that it has just been on French news. They were
stood in a line of perhaps one hundred yards waiting for a food handout
and when interviewed they said they wanted to go to England. Its only a
couple of years ago that the French abolished the requirement that
British citizens have a residence permit before they could live in
France. The French and German economies are in such a mess that even
well qualified people have to work in supermarkets. The threat to the
British economy is that the French/German model will by various means
spread to the rest of Europe. Brussels has by a bloodless cultural coup
been annexed by France. The ethnic Flemish and the Flemish language has
been with great rapidity been supplanted by French. With the language
goes the ideas and mind set that has saddled France with such great
wealth destroyers as the compulsory 35 hour week. Work is already
rationed in France amongst the French and that is why they have no
intention of handing out the ration cards the the Poles.
cqmman
So if two people had the same view, one could be right and one could be
wrong just because they had different jobs? Wow. Why didn't I think of
that before!
cqmman
> Why? How is it relevent? Do you base your opinions on people or what
> they say, according to what they do for a job?
So not reply Chris X? Time to turn on your PC, box it up and return it
to the supplier, and cancel your internet connection. Then perhaps you
can concentrate on learning about the real world rather than the
hate-filled view of it that you seem to have.
Alan Ferris
<Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote:
>"Ivan" will subsist on cheapo zero-nutrition food from one of the
>giant supermarket cartels whilst slumming it in a family member's
>one bedroom studio "flat" .... probably along with three or four
>others of his ilk !
Sounds exactly like many university students I shared homes with.
--
Alan "Ferrit" Ferris
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MarkoSk
citizen, live and study in Bratislava and work in the UK during my
school breaks.
GHETTO?
Let me put things right. Apparently you have not been in Bratislava and
cannot imagine life there - fair enough. But believe me, if you are
willing to spend 50 Pounds for a return flight you might surprisingly
discover, that your ideas about the city are far from reality.
EARNING IN BRATISLAVA?
I've got a good news for you Chris X. If you fail finding a job in the
UK because of competition coming from Central Europe, you can consider
teaching English in Bratislava for 500 Slovak crowns/8 GBP per hour -
19% tax. Another good news is that you do not even have to learn to
Speak Slovak ...unlike the invaders that come and work in your country.
Accommodation and services are cheaper than in the UK too.
STEALING YOUR JOB?
Well, I spent 15 months as an unpaid voluntary worker working with
people with learning disabilities - is that what you call stealing??
Now I do a similar type of work and between you and me, my employer
never stops advertising in local papers because our company is unable
to get people working for us. Interested?
Starting from next year I am going l do my postgraduate course in the
UK. It is going to cost me 6,000 pounds just to pay my 1 year tuition.
Am I really stealing your job?
UK ECONOMY?
I have to pay taxes & National Insurance. Just that you know that as a
member of 10 new EU countries I am not entitled to any benefits in the
UK...hm, so who's the winner here?
I also spend 65 Pounds a week for my 1 bedroom accommodation and do not
think that Tesco value is my favorite brand.
FAIR DEAL?
Back at home I do about 90% of my grocery shopping at Tesco
hypermarket, pay my mobile phone bills to Orange. Do I really have to
go on?
Dear Chris X. You'd better get used to more competitive world before
China and India start showing real competitiveness and we'll all
become only observers. I understand that competition is hard and often
painful, but monopoly and relaxed life does not last forever. I used to
live in a country where there was not competition from outside and
believe me, it DOES NOT WORK.
Petronius
wrote:
>STEALING YOUR JOB?
>Well, I spent 15 months as an unpaid voluntary worker working with
>people with learning disabilities - is that what you call stealing??
I'd call it a waste of everyone's time.
>Now I do a similar type of work and between you and me, my employer
>never stops advertising in local papers because our company is unable
>to get people working for us. Interested?
>Starting from next year I am going l do my postgraduate course in the
>UK. It is going to cost me 6,000 pounds just to pay my 1 year tuition.
>Am I really stealing your job?
You're depriving an Englishman of a place at university, and you're
clearly planning on coming to work here permanently at some point.
Marko Slovak
citizen, live and study in Bratislava and work in the UK during my
school breaks.
GHETTO?
Let me put things right. Apparently you have not been in Bratislava and
cannot imagine life there - fair enough. But believe me, if you are
willing to spend 50 Pounds for a return flight you might surprisingly
discover, that your ideas about the city are far from reality.
EARNING IN BRATISLAVA?
I've got a good news for you Chris X. If you fail finding a job in the
UK because of competition coming from Central Europe, you can consider
teaching English in Bratislava for 500 Slovak crowns/8 GBP per hour -
19% tax. Another good news is that you do not even have to learn to
Speak Slovak ...unlike the invaders that come and work in your country.
Accommodation and services are cheaper than in the UK too.
STEALING YOUR JOB?
Well, I spent 15 months as an unpaid voluntary worker working with
people with learning disabilities - is that what you call stealing??
Now I do a similar type of work and between you and me, my employer
never stops advertising in local papers because our company is unable
to get people working for us. Interested?
Starting from next year I am going l do my postgraduate course in the
UK. It is going to cost me 6,000 pounds just to pay my 1 year tuition.
Am I really stealing your job?
kevin hollingsworth
Like all so called economic migrants...we all know the real reason men leave
their own lands. Not getting enough at home are you Marko?
"Marko Slovak" <martinko...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1130702609....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Marko Slovak
I'd love to discuss this topic too, but don't you think that a pub is
better place for that?? ;-)
Marko.
uNkulunkulu
> That's a good one Kevin...you made me laugh.
>
> I'd love to discuss this topic too, but don't you think that a pub is
> better place for that?? ;-)
I wouldn't waste my breath Marko they are just a pair of dickheads.
Maria
<martinko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Thank you very much for all your compliments Chris X. I am a Slovak
>citizen, live and study in Bratislava and work in the UK during my
>school breaks.
>
>
>GHETTO?
>Let me put things right. Apparently you have not been in Bratislava and
>
>cannot imagine life there - fair enough. But believe me, if you are
>willing to spend 50 Pounds for a return flight you might surprisingly
>discover, that your ideas about the city are far from reality.
>
>
>EARNING IN BRATISLAVA?
>I've got a good news for you Chris X. If you fail finding a job in the
>UK because of competition coming from Central Europe, you can consider
>teaching English in Bratislava for 500 Slovak crowns/8 GBP per hour -
Do you not understand that the people whose jobs are being taken most
likely could not teach English? Some are even illiterate, which is why
they rely on manual labour for their income.
Where and how Marko, do you suggest that the British working classes
emigrate to to find work? Who would need them and how could they
afford to get there? Any work they could do 'there' would be even
worse paid than it is here.
>19% tax. Another good news is that you do not even have to learn to
>Speak Slovak ...unlike the invaders that come and work in your country.
They don't have to come, and many do not learn to speak English - they
just stick with their friends.
>Accommodation and services are cheaper than in the UK too.
>
>
>STEALING YOUR JOB?
>Well, I spent 15 months as an unpaid voluntary worker working with
>people with learning disabilities - is that what you call stealing??
Why would you do that? How many immigrants are likely to come here and
do unpaid work? How would they survive?
>Now I do a similar type of work and between you and me, my employer
>never stops advertising in local papers because our company is unable
>to get people working for us. Interested?
What kind of people do you need to help those with learning
disabilities? The kinds of people you need already have well paid jobs
here - why would they want to go there?
>Starting from next year I am going l do my postgraduate course in the
>UK. It is going to cost me 6,000 pounds just to pay my 1 year tuition.
>Am I really stealing your job?
Presumably you are displacing a British student...
>
>UK ECONOMY?
>I have to pay taxes & National Insurance.
Where do you spend your income? Most tax in the UK is paid by people
using products and services, not through income tax if I understand
correctly.
>Just that you know that as a
>member of 10 new EU countries I am not entitled to any benefits in the
>UK...hm, so who's the winner here?
I thought you were entitlted after a qualifying period.
>I also spend 65 Pounds a week for my 1 bedroom accommodation and do not
People in Wellingborough live 8 to a house in a druggie area - the
whole house is £400/month.
>think that Tesco value is my favorite brand.
>
>
>FAIR DEAL?
>Back at home I do about 90% of my grocery shopping at Tesco
>hypermarket, pay my mobile phone bills to Orange. Do I really have to
>go on?
If you can afford to shop at Tesco and have a mobile, why do you need
to work here?
>
>Dear Chris X. You'd better get used to more competitive world before
>China and India start showing real competitiveness and we'll all
>become only observers. I understand that competition is hard and often
>painful, but monopoly and relaxed life does not last forever. I used to
>
>live in a country where there was not competition from outside and
>believe me, it DOES NOT WORK.
I am so sick of hearing this argument in the middle-class word of
educated people with university degrees.
The people who will suffer are the people who have no education, few
skills, do not speak good enough English to become English teachers
abroad, and constitute ate least 40% of the British population.
You have the same kind of people in your country if you can step
outside your cosy cotton-wool world - look at your street sweepers and
factory workers. How many do you think would or could step outside
your country to find work?
You also have the benefit that many of our working-class jobs are
moving there so they don't *need* to.
This is not just an argument about doctors and teachers, this is an
argument about road sweepers and box-lifters.
The only time this argument will progress from the sphere of
middle-class well-paid internet-savvy people to the 'real world' is
when the middle-classes start to find it difficult to get work.
As usual.
m1cky
>On 30 Oct 2005 12:03:29 -0800, "Marko Slovak"
><martinko...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'LL KEEP IT SHORT N' SWEET FOR YOU 'MARKO'!!!
KEEP THE FUCK OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!!!!!