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Chris X

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Apr 16, 2005, 5:35:34 AM4/16/05
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In September 2003 a TV programme, '50 Things To Do Before You Die' reported
on the top five experiences people wanted to have.

In this top five, the sea was well represented and included swimming with
dolphins, shark diving, whale watching, and diving in the Great Barrier
reef.

Also in 2003, hundreds of dolphin and porpoise carcasses, with evidence of
death due to being caught in fishing nets, were washed up on British shores.

According to Earthdive News (10th March 2005), a study has concluded that
'Whale, dolphin and porpoise (known collectively as cetaceans) strandings
have doubled in the UK over the last 10 years'.

Although stranding can occur naturally, there seems to be a correlation with
the times that 'pair trawling' occurs between November and April.

Many cetaceans are killed by ships hunting tuna, sea bass and mackerel in
the South West of England, south west of Ireland and the North Sea areas.

This 'bycatch' is indiscriminate, causing the deaths of males, females, baby
and young adults cetaceans. Because they are social animals, this may
represent whole family groups wiped out.


The dolphins found washed up lacerated, with broken beaks with teeth missing
resulting from trying to chew their way out of the nets, may represent only
a fraction of the total death toll, as thousands more carcasses are lost,
uncounted, in the sea.


Some discovered corpses have been found to have had their stomachs slit,
presumably by fishermen, to aid in the animal sinking so as not to be
discovered!

Bottlenose dolphins are already threatened with extinction in the waters
around the South West peninsula and could all but be gone from British
waters in ten years - unless a drastic change in fisheries management is
undertaken.

Some effort is being made to reduce cetacean losses, the introduction of new
devices called "pingers" this summer will help. The "pingers" send out a
signal to deter the animals from approaching trawlers and their nets. But
although they will help many do not believe measures go far enough to save
the friendly, intelligent and lovable cetaceans.

Because of the dearth of data relating to dolphins and porpoises populations
we do not really know how few are still left in the cold seas surrounding
Britain. But in a sense that is immaterial because unless drastic and urgent
action is taken by a future British Government, a government committed to
preserving these natural wonders and determined to manage our maritime
resources responsibly, then they are doomed to extinction!

Dolphin Facts.

The bottlenosed dolphin has a brain ranging between 1200 and 2000 grams in
contrast human brains have ranged in size from 1000 to 1800 grams.

One domesticated dolphin Akeakamai from Kewalo Basin Marine Laboratory in
Hawaii (2003) reportedly learned a 'vocabulary of more than 60 words and
could understand more than 2,000 sentences'.


British National Party policy on the Fishing Industry.

The British national Party is pledged to ensure the restoration of Britain's
once great fishing industry through the development of a modern fishing
fleet, the restoration of our traditional fishing grounds and the imposition
of exclusion zones around such grounds - policed by the Royal Navy, to
ensure they remain exclusive!

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leighton Jones

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Apr 16, 2005, 6:29:06 AM4/16/05
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> http://www.bnp.org.uk/landandpeople/dolphin2.htm
>
> In September 2003 a TV programme, '50 Things To Do Before You Die'
> reported on the top five experiences people wanted to have.

Any old band wagon will do!
Now the BNP want us too believe that they will save the dolphin!
You'll be too late boys!
Better if you joined Greenpeace, they've been campaigning for this for a
long time, even had a bit of an effect on whale slaughter.
Cheers LJ.


sofa-spud

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Apr 16, 2005, 6:58:25 AM4/16/05
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"Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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So what's this then, the BNP try to pick up the environmentalist vote? -
given the natural lean to the left of the environmental movement they are
poles apart from the BNP. Then there is the final chapter - many
environmentalists would like to see the end of commercial fishing so they
won't fancy that policy.


leighton Jones

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Nope just jumping on any band wagon that they can!
Any-thing that they think will "normalise them", push thier baggage into the
back ground.
Cheers LJ.


Chris X

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Apr 16, 2005, 7:10:06 AM4/16/05
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"sofa-spud" <comf...@here.ok> wrote in message
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Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of
pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those
practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental
damage. "The polluter pays to clean up the mess" must become a fact of life,
not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the
brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architecture with a blend of traditional
local styles and materials and ensure that developments take place on a more
human scale.

> given the natural lean to the left of the environmental movement they are
> poles apart from the BNP.

There is no such thing as "left" or "right" in the real world of politics
today. You make yourself look foolish and outdated by using such antiquated
terminology.

> Then there is the final chapter - many
> environmentalists would like to see the end of commercial fishing so they
> won't fancy that policy.

We are pragmatic environmentalists, not hippy dreamers with flowers in our
hair.


sofa-spud

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Apr 16, 2005, 7:15:14 AM4/16/05
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"Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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To quote your last post "You make yourself look foolish and outdated by
using such antiquated
terminology" Dismiss the very bandwagon full of folk you are wanting to
tempt your way - you can't have this both ways - the "hippy dreamers" are
exactly who this is aimed at - they are at the other end of the political
spectrum to you right or left what ever you want to call it.


mick

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Apr 16, 2005, 7:12:15 AM4/16/05
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It's a scandal, Dolphins being caught, killed and dumped by lazy fisherman!
They should be processed with the rest of the catch, then you could purchase
Dophin Burgers, like you do in Japan.


leighton Jones

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Apr 16, 2005, 7:17:32 AM4/16/05
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The Japanese have a different view of what's right and wrong with fish!
The one I think is the absolute pits, is the catching of a shark, where only
the Fins are cut off, the shark is then dropped back in and left to die
slowly.
But it's all relative, I worked with a Norwegian once, him, his old man and
granddad used to go out and catch themselves a whale, eat it and use
anything they could. He couldn't understand the problem, the Whale to him
was like Beef or Lamb to me.
Cheers LJ.


Chris X

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Apr 16, 2005, 7:19:45 AM4/16/05
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> "Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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http://www.bnp.org.uk/landandpeople/dolphin2.htm

>> > Then there is the final chapter - many
>> > environmentalists would like to see the end of commercial fishing so
>> > they won't fancy that policy.
>>
>> We are pragmatic environmentalists, not hippy dreamers with flowers in
>> our
>> hair.
>>
> To quote your last post "You make yourself look foolish and outdated by
> using such antiquated
> terminology" Dismiss the very bandwagon full of folk you are wanting to
> tempt your way - you can't have this both ways - the "hippy dreamers" are
> exactly who this is aimed at - they are at the other end of the political
> spectrum to you right or left what ever you want to call it.

No they are not.


pencil

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Apr 16, 2005, 7:26:48 AM4/16/05
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"leighton Jones" <leigh...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> "Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> http://www.bnp.org.uk/landandpeople/dolphin2.htm
>>
>> In September 2003 a TV programme, '50 Things To Do Before You Die'
>> reported on the top five experiences people wanted to have.
>
> Any old band wagon will do!

Being newlab you'd know nothing about consistency of argument - and
the problem for you is that in the process of vote grubbing you've
sold your soul to anyone who'd give you a vote in return - and now
your having difficulty in moving because you're so tied up in knots of
self contradiction and inconsistency. You've had it. Beware because
when you fall there'll be a price to pay for your treachery.


mick

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Apr 16, 2005, 7:27:41 AM4/16/05
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> So what's this then, the BNP try to pick up the environmentalist vote? -
> given the natural lean to the left of the environmental movement they are
> poles apart from the BNP. Then there is the final chapter - many
> environmentalists would like to see the end of commercial fishing so they
> won't fancy that policy.


Environmentalist - Leftwing? Middle class idlers with enough time on their
hands to persecute working people with their sledgehammers and petrol bombs,
they look like Nazis to me


sofa-spud

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Apr 16, 2005, 7:30:33 AM4/16/05
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If you say so but I feel you are mistaken, lets see if you environmental
stance pick you up new support .


leighton Jones

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I'm afraid you give me too much credit.
I'm a "wind up merchant", who happens to believe that Labour is the best
option at the moment, that's all, no more!
I don't grub for votes or sell my soul, I say it as I see it, that's all,
nothing sinister.

Now then what's this *price* that I will pay for my *treachery*?
*Price* = What?
*treachery* please explain where I have been treacherous to my country.

Cheers LJ.


mick

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Apr 16, 2005, 7:33:55 AM4/16/05
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> The Japanese have a different view of what's right and wrong with fish!
> The one I think is the absolute pits, is the catching of a shark, where
only
> the Fins are cut off, the shark is then dropped back in and left to die
> slowly.

According to the Japanese Buddhist tradition any carnivorous act is an
offence against the soul of the consumed. In the same creed Fish, including
dolphins, don't have a souls.


Chris X

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Apr 16, 2005, 7:36:52 AM4/16/05
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We have former Greens among our candidates, and have done for the last three
years or so. You'd know this, if you had any real "knowledge". But of
course, that would be a laughable notion ....


leighton Jones

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Off Topic!
Do you know anything about this one?

I used to work with a Japanese guy, out in the ME.
I came home to see new son born and then returned when he was a couple of
days old.
Told my Japanese mate, who didn't give a dumb!
Then a couple of days later he asked me how my son was and congratulated me!

I though this was strange, but was told that in his belief , child didn't
get a soul until he was 14 days old!
Any idea if that's true.
Cheers LJ.


Aramis Gunton

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Apr 16, 2005, 7:45:47 AM4/16/05
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In message <YD68e.23319$Uc7....@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>, pencil
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>You've had it. Beware because when you fall there'll be a price to pay
>for your treachery.

Just how do you perceive said recompense will be extracted?

Remember we live in an age when even mild insult can have catastrophic
psychological ramifications for the unfortunate victim.

--
Aramis Gunton

sofa-spud

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Apr 16, 2005, 8:09:35 AM4/16/05
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"Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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As ever one of several predictable unpleasant responses to reasonable
discussion by Chris X - tell me are you a paid member of the BNP ? or an
unpaid voluntary spokesman?


sofa-spud

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I don't doubt that for a minute but they won't vote BNP .


Chris X

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> "Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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http://www.bnp.org.uk/landandpeople/dolphin2.htm

>> >> >> > Then there is the final chapter - many
>> >> >> > environmentalists would like to see the end of commercial fishing
>> >> >> > so they won't fancy that policy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We are pragmatic environmentalists, not hippy dreamers with flowers
>> >> >> in our hair

>> >> > To quote your last post "You make yourself look foolish and outdated

>> >> > by
>> >> > using such antiquated
>> >> > terminology" Dismiss the very bandwagon full of folk you are wanting
>> >> > to
>> >> > tempt your way - you can't have this both ways - the "hippy
>> >> > dreamers"
>> >> > are exactly who this is aimed at - they are at the other end of the
>> >> > political spectrum to you right or left what ever you want to call
>> >> > it.

>> >> No they are not.

>> > If you say so but I feel you are mistaken, lets see if you
>> > environmental
>> > stance pick you up new support .
>>
>> We have former Greens among our candidates, and have done for the last
>> three years or so. You'd know this, if you had any real "knowledge".
>> But of
>> course, that would be a laughable notion ....
>>
> As ever one of several predictable unpleasant responses to reasonable
> discussion by Chris X

Your futile attempts at trolling get the reception they deserve.

sofa-spud

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Apr 16, 2005, 8:32:00 AM4/16/05
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"Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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You were the original poster - a troll about the BNP getting all
environmental - it would be funny if it wasn't serious.


Chris X

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"sofa-spud" <comf...@here.ok> wrote in message
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No troll, the British National Party have always been dedicated to
environmental issues. As you would already know if you had any "knowledge".


Gavin Ayling

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Apr 16, 2005, 9:26:21 AM4/16/05
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Is this only for 'British' dolphins? What if the dolphin's skin is too dark?
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Chris X

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> Is this only for 'British' dolphins? What if the dolphin's skin is too
> dark?

Are there similar examples of such biting, satirical wit on your website ?
If there is, I for one shall add it to my favourites !

> My site:
> www.gavpolitics.co.uk

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Blue

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Apr 16, 2005, 12:34:29 PM4/16/05
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Chris X wrote:
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> http://www.bnp.org.uk/landandpeople/dolphin2.htm

Chrisx turning off his over heated computer to
pick up street rubbish sounds like a, not to be missed
photo op. You might want to let the press know.

israel

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BNP policies will cause mass deaths of dolphins

mick

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Apr 17, 2005, 5:18:06 AM4/17/05
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> Off Topic!
> Do you know anything about this one?
>
> I used to work with a Japanese guy, out in the ME.
> I came home to see new son born and then returned when he was a couple of
> days old.
> Told my Japanese mate, who didn't give a dumb!
> Then a couple of days later he asked me how my son was and congratulated
me!
>
> I though this was strange, but was told that in his belief , child didn't
> get a soul until he was 14 days old!
> Any idea if that's true.
> Cheers LJ.


Interesting, in so far as it echoes my experience with Japanese customs ie,
you observe some apparently eccentric behaviour and upon enquiry you
discover it's imbued with some religious significance. From a sociological
stand point it appears to be a mechanism for facilitating the act of
infanticide and although it's not an a belief I've encountered it seems very
consistent with the kind of rationalisation of these issues apparent in
japanese culture.


leighton Jones

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"mick" <a@b,com> wrote in message
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>> Off Topic!
>> Do you know anything about this one?
>>
>> I used to work with a Japanese guy, out in the ME.
>> I came home to see new son born and then returned when he was a couple of
>> days old.
>> Told my Japanese mate, who didn't give a dumb!
>> Then a couple of days later he asked me how my son was and congratulated
> me!
>>
>> I though this was strange, but was told that in his belief , child didn't
>> get a soul until he was 14 days old!
>> Any idea if that's true.
>> Cheers LJ.
>
>
> Interesting, in so far as it echoes my experience with Japanese customs
> ie,
> you observe some apparently eccentric behaviour and upon enquiry you
> discover it's imbued with some religious significance. From a sociological
> stand point it appears to be a mechanism for facilitating the act of
> infanticide

I had it down as a defence against early infant mortality, but I can see
where you are coming from.

Cheers LJ.


Chris X

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>
> BNP policies will cause mass deaths of dolphins

Because ... ?


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