Rabbi Condemns Straw's Veil Comments
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Rabbi Condemns Straw's Veil Comments
by Justin Cohen - Thursday 12th of October 2006
An Ilford rabbi yesterday condemned Jack Straw after he said he would
prefer it if Muslim women did not wear the full veil.
The House of Commons leader last week provoked a fierce debate by
revealing he asked visitors to his surgery if they would remove the
veil. He later said he would prefer if the item was discarded at all
times, describing it as a "visible statement of separation".
Writing to the Chair of the Ilford Islamic Centre, Ilford Federation
Synagogue's Rabbi Alex Chapper said: "I feel his comments were
totally unacceptable and display, at best, insensitivity to, and at
worst, an ignorance of the laws, customs and practices of Islam.
"It is nonsense to suggest that, 'women who wore veils made
community relations more difficult'', rather it is remarks such as
these that create divisions and intolerance in Britain."
Rabbi Chapper told the Jewish News: "If you're going to single out
for condemnation, or even ban, one style of dress where do you draw the
line? Could the kipah or sheitel be next, are they divisive in Mr
Straw's eyes?"
Meanwhile, in a speech to a Muslim audience yesterday, Communities
Secretary Ruth Kelly took issue with those who continued to boycott
Holocaust Memorial Day even though it has also helped raise awareness
of more recent atrocities like the Rwanda genocide.
She said: "That's also their right.
"But I can't help wondering why those in leadership positions who say
they want to achieve religious tolerance and a cohesive society would
choose to boycott an event which marks, above all, our common humanity
and respect for each other."
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
> http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/national/?content_id=4586
>
> Rabbi Condemns Straw's Veil Comments
>
> by Justin Cohen - Thursday 12th of October 2006
>
> An Ilford rabbi yesterday condemned Jack Straw after he said he would
> prefer it if Muslim women did not wear the full veil.
>
> The House of Commons leader last week provoked a fierce debate by
> revealing he asked visitors to his surgery if they would remove the
> veil. He later said he would prefer if the item was discarded at all
> times, describing it as a "visible statement of separation".
>
> Writing to the Chair of the Ilford Islamic Centre, Ilford Federation
> Synagogue's Rabbi Alex Chapper said: "I feel his comments were
> totally unacceptable and display, at best, insensitivity to, and at
> worst, an ignorance of the laws, customs and practices of Islam.
Well, I assume he wouldn't object if while I was talking to him in the
synagogue I was wearing the symbol of my kewl kulture- my mirror shades:-)
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hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
Energy wrote:
> http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/national/?content_id=4586
>
> Rabbi Condemns Straw's Veil Comments
>
> by Justin Cohen - Thursday 12th of October 2006
>
> An Ilford rabbi yesterday condemned Jack Straw after he said he would
> prefer it if Muslim women did not wear the full veil.
>
> The House of Commons leader last week provoked a fierce debate by
> revealing he asked visitors to his surgery if they would remove the
> veil. He later said he would prefer if the item was discarded at all
> times, describing it as a "visible statement of separation".
>
> Writing to the Chair of the Ilford Islamic Centre, Ilford Federation
> Synagogue's Rabbi Alex Chapper said: "I feel his comments were
> totally unacceptable and display, at best, insensitivity to, and at
> worst, an ignorance of the laws, customs and practices of Islam.
>
> "It is nonsense to suggest that, 'women who wore veils made
> community relations more difficult'', rather it is remarks such as
> these that create divisions and intolerance in Britain."
What a very silly comment. He is clearly seeing this is simply a clash
of cultures. Quite obviously the majority indigenous culture should be
given precedence. Anything else is stupid.
> Rabbi Chapper told the Jewish News: "If you're going to single out
> for condemnation, or even ban, one style of dress where do you draw the
> line? Could the kipah or sheitel be next, are they divisive in Mr
> Straw's eyes?"
Do we really have to have our lives ruled by idiots? Straw was not
complaining about these sorts of things but about the fact that it is
rude to hide one's facing when talking to people.
Aramis Gunton
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk writes
>Straw was not complaining about these sorts of things but about the
>fact that it is rude to hide one's facing when talking to people.
Aye, like disguising the unsuitability of 'Frogs' and 'Ities' amongst us
by wailing on about the power and social unacceptability of 'garlic
breath'
Can't be having a direct dig because that's simply taboo eh?
Mind you 'Yeah those fucking Frogs...' and 'Those stinky Ities...' sets
the agenda for the day no?
Mind you I could be wrong and simply discarding the burqa etc. will
magically dissipate all the problems we are storing up. Shazzam!!
Where's Paul and Debbie when we need them?
--
Aramis Gunton
joeh
> Energy wrote:
> > http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/national/?content_id=4586
> >
> > Rabbi Condemns Straw's Veil Comments
> >
> > by Justin Cohen - Thursday 12th of October 2006
> >
> > An Ilford rabbi yesterday condemned Jack Straw after he said he would
> > prefer it if Muslim women did not wear the full veil.
> >
> > The House of Commons leader last week provoked a fierce debate by
> > revealing he asked visitors to his surgery if they would remove the
> > veil. He later said he would prefer if the item was discarded at all
> > times, describing it as a "visible statement of separation".
> >
> > Writing to the Chair of the Ilford Islamic Centre, Ilford Federation
> > Synagogue's Rabbi Alex Chapper said: "I feel his comments were
> > totally unacceptable and display, at best, insensitivity to, and at
> > worst, an ignorance of the laws, customs and practices of Islam.
>
> Well, I assume he wouldn't object if while I was talking to him in the
> synagogue I was wearing the symbol of my kewl kulture- my mirror shades:-)
And carrying a bacon sarnie. Well, it's our kulchur, innit?
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
Let's not forget the baseball cap and hoodie.
Maria
>
>Energy wrote:
>> http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/national/?content_id=4586
>>
>> Rabbi Condemns Straw's Veil Comments
>>
>> by Justin Cohen - Thursday 12th of October 2006
>>
>> An Ilford rabbi yesterday condemned Jack Straw after he said he would
>> prefer it if Muslim women did not wear the full veil.
>>
>> The House of Commons leader last week provoked a fierce debate by
>> revealing he asked visitors to his surgery if they would remove the
>> veil. He later said he would prefer if the item was discarded at all
>> times, describing it as a "visible statement of separation".
>>
>> Writing to the Chair of the Ilford Islamic Centre, Ilford Federation
>> Synagogue's Rabbi Alex Chapper said: "I feel his comments were
>> totally unacceptable and display, at best, insensitivity to, and at
>> worst, an ignorance of the laws, customs and practices of Islam.
>>
>> "It is nonsense to suggest that, 'women who wore veils made
>> community relations more difficult'', rather it is remarks such as
>> these that create divisions and intolerance in Britain."
>
>What a very silly comment. He is clearly seeing this is simply a clash
>of cultures. Quite obviously the majority indigenous culture should be
>given precedence. Anything else is stupid.
Maybe he is worried that a ban on religous clothing will be
introduced.
>
>> Rabbi Chapper told the Jewish News: "If you're going to single out
>> for condemnation, or even ban, one style of dress where do you draw the
>> line? Could the kipah or sheitel be next, are they divisive in Mr
>> Straw's eyes?"
>
>Do we really have to have our lives ruled by idiots? Straw was not
>complaining about these sorts of things but about the fact that it is
>rude to hide one's facing when talking to people.
So is demarcating religous 'territory' IMHO. With a second Eruv going
up in London, maybe there is a worry that this too will be seen as
divisive.
Ariadne
Maria wrote:
Who might have such a worry?
How can an eruv be divisive?
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
It's no more divisive than if Muslims marked out an area as 'their home'.
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
Because I for one find it offensive that a non-English group should be
so arrogant as to demarcate an area of England and claim it in some way
as not English.
Max Muir
and wearing shoes
Max Muir
and wear a hat or scarf indoors
Ariadne
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk wrote:
That doesn't answer either question but
it certainly shows your ignorance and idiocy.
Are those English qualities you are proud of?
Ariadne
Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
Shame you can't compare like with like.
John Reid had a good answer for a Muslim
claiming rights he does not have.
-
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
It answers the question why an eruv could be divisive.
> but
> it certainly shows your ignorance and idiocy.
But you fail to explain why objecting to the use of the English
landscape to hoist a wire blatantly demarking an area in England as
alien to English culture displays 'ignorance and idiocy'. Can you
explain, or are you just ignorant of English sensitivities and
idiotically unaware that you should consider them?
> Are those English qualities you are proud of?
Having an independent mind? Yes.
Ariadne
francz6
<hw...@freeispshares.co.uk> wrote in message
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>their nose into other countries,races and cultures the world would be a
>better place to live.
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
But you need to elaborate - rationally if possible - on why you
consider my comments ignorant and idiotic. Until you do so, they
stand. Otherwise your comments merely display ugly irrationality.
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
and wearing mirrored sunglasses.