Watch out, Edwina - the far-right tries to worm its way into the shires
Robin Carmody
Far right activists were today warned "keep out of Dorchester" amid fears
that the National Front was targeting the town.
Councillors and campaigners said the group was not welcome in Dorchester
after stickers were posted on lamp-posts and pavements in the shopping
streets.
They hit out as another right wing group - the British National Party (BNP)
claimed to be building support for its new Dorset group.
Ex-mayor Wally Gundry, a former trade unionist, said: "We don't want them
here. I don't like the National Front, or any extremist groups, full stop.
I think it is people from outside who have come in to target the town. They
should sort themselves out and get a job."
He added: "We have a good clean town. I hate to think that we could go back
to the 1930s when we had a contingent of blackshirts in Dorchester."
The National Front stickers were put up in South Street, Trinity Street,
Antelope Walk and Cornhill.
Activists targeted the town after the BNP - which has tried to distance
itself from the far right - claimed it had recruited 300 people in Dorset in
2002.
But members of the Anti-Nazi League disputed that figure and claimed the
party had inflated the figures to boost its credibility.
Labour Party member Coun John Antell said "It is disturbing to think that
the National Front may be active in Dorchester. We are almost totally
racism-free in this town and do our utmost to keep a society where everyone
is treated equally. We don't want people like the National Front and
British National Party to come and stir things up. They should stay well
away."
He added: "Irrespective of political views, these stickers must be
considered as flyposting and will be removed."
The spectre of the far right in Dorchester comes after a branch of the
British Union of Fascists was formed in the town in the 1930s.
Oswald Mosley, leader of the British Union of Fascists, spoke to the
so-called blackshirts at the Dorchester Corn Exchange.
Neil Buckoke, whose Dorset Animal Action Anti-Bloodsports group is
affiliated to the Anti-Nazi League, said: "I think it is an awful thing to
start happening in Dorchester. Members of our group were set on by National
Front supporters at the Countryside Alliance march in London. If it wasn't
for the police getting us out, we could have been badly hurt."
He added: "If it needs to be done we may need to have a rally in Dorchester
with the Anti-Nazi League, unionists and everyone else pulling together."
Dorchester Police said they had received no complaints about the stickers.
-------------
This doesn't surprise me - towns like Dorchester can breed a terrible
defensive mentality which the far-right feels it can easily exploit, despite
the absence of racial tension. I know from experience that Dorchester is a
hotbed of support for the Countryside Alliance, and this provides yet
further evidence of the disturbing links between the pro-hunt movement and
the nastiest, most virulent form of politics (it should be more and more
obvious why most rural people don't want anything to do with them); I am
sure that the far-right feel that a CA stronghold will be easy prey, hence
why they have targeted Dorchester rather than Weymouth and Portland where
the hunting movement barely exists.
More to the point, this is the kind of thing that happens when you promote a
rural area as a place to live exclusively among white people, as the
Frogbucket has done since her move to Cornwall. There is never any room for
complacency.
--
Robin Carmody, Portland, Dorset
Mike Hide
--
> This doesn't surprise me - towns like Dorchester can breed a terrible
> defensive mentality which the far-right feels it can easily exploit,
despite
> the absence of racial tension. I know from experience that Dorchester is
a
> hotbed of support for the Countryside Alliance, and this provides yet
> further evidence of the disturbing links between the pro-hunt movement and
> the nastiest, most virulent form of politics (it should be more and more
> obvious why most rural people don't want anything to do with them); I am
> sure that the far-right feel that a CA stronghold will be easy prey, hence
> why they have targeted Dorchester rather than Weymouth and Portland where
> the hunting movement barely exists.
>
> More to the point, this is the kind of thing that happens when you promote
a
> rural area as a place to live exclusively among white people, as the
> Frogbucket has done since her move to Cornwall. There is never any room
for
> complacency.
>
> --
> Robin Carmody, Portland, Dorset
>
>
So where are you from, the very far left no doubt. so if you don't do it
your way then you arn't going to do it..mjh
Jon°
should sort themselves out and get a job.""
What a "jucking foke" above from a left wing ANL supporter who sits in his
live-in all day writing to Ng's and never does a stroke, accept to play
with himself? Hates England but loves drawing his social payments.
We must be bloody mad to help feed perverted blue-bottle larva such as this.
"Robin Carmody" <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
> Dorset Echo 20th November 2002 (front page story)
>
> Far right activists were today warned "keep out of Dorchester" amid fears
> that the National Front was targeting the town.
Quite agree. The National Front are a bunch of brain-dead idiots, in the
main.
Nobody takes them seriously. Don't worry though, I'm sure Billy Bragg will
write a song complaining about it.
<snip>
>
> This doesn't surprise me - towns like Dorchester can breed a terrible
> defensive mentality which the far-right feels it can easily exploit,
despite
> the absence of racial tension. I know from experience that Dorchester is
a
> hotbed of support for the Countryside Alliance, and this provides yet
> further evidence of the disturbing links between the pro-hunt movement and
> the nastiest, most virulent form of politics (it should be more and more
> obvious why most rural people don't want anything to do with them); I am
> sure that the far-right feel that a CA stronghold will be easy prey, hence
> why they have targeted Dorchester rather than Weymouth and Portland where
> the hunting movement barely exists.
Rubbish. It's more likely that political parties like the BNP (who you also
mentioned) are going to these places precisely because they don't already
have a big ethnic population. There's not much point in being there when
it's too late. Also, people who have never lived somewhere like London, and
experienced the downside of multiculturalism, probably believe the lie that
all blacks are like the loveable Trueman family out of Eastenders and every
refugee is a structural engineer or a heart surgeon.
>
> More to the point, this is the kind of thing that happens when you promote
a
> rural area as a place to live exclusively among white people, as the
> Frogbucket has done since her move to Cornwall. There is never any room
for
> complacency.
I like living in this area, with indigenous Brits like myself. Is it not
allowed now, in Tony's happy-clappy phoney Britain, to like being with your
own kind (if you're white that is...Asians and blacks can have their
'communities' though)? It's exactly the same reason refugees go to London,
isn't it? To be among their own? So why can't I feel that way? Is it cos
I is white? That's discrimination, that is...
--
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
Neil Jung
and, as usual, only manages to worm its way into the *shite*. :-)
--
Neil Jung
You're only as Jung as you feel.
Neil Jung
> "They
> should sort themselves out and get a job.""
> ...........................................................................
> What a "jucking foke" above from a left wing ANL supporter who sits in his
> live-in all day writing to Ng's and never does a stroke, accept to play
> with himself? Hates England but loves drawing his social payments.
>
> We must be bloody mad to help feed perverted blue-bottle larva such as this.
Er... Jon... you *are* 'bloody mad'!
maria.thomson
Strange that they have not set up camp in Wellingborough where there
is a large ethnic population, *and* it's a typical 'middle England'
constituency.
Perhaps they only go for those areas where there is trouble at'mill or
where there is a strong Conservative camp.
> There's not much point in being there when
>it's too late. Also, people who have never lived somewhere like London, and
>experienced the downside of multiculturalism, probably believe the lie that
>all blacks are like the loveable Trueman family out of Eastenders and every
>refugee is a structural engineer or a heart surgeon.
>>
>> More to the point, this is the kind of thing that happens when you promote
>a
>> rural area as a place to live exclusively among white people, as the
>> Frogbucket has done since her move to Cornwall. There is never any room
>for
>> complacency.
>
>I like living in this area, with indigenous Brits like myself. Is it not
>allowed now, in Tony's happy-clappy phoney Britain, to like being with your
>own kind (if you're white that is...Asians and blacks can have their
>'communities' though)? It's exactly the same reason refugees go to London,
>isn't it? To be among their own? So why can't I feel that way? Is it cos
>I is white? That's discrimination, that is...
I quite agree. I hope to hear no more in these newsgroups about nasty
forriners refusing to integrate. A forlorn hope though...
Jon°
Brixton once. After losing his CC's, his wrist watch, leather jacket, mobile
and loose change, they slung him out with a few teeth left.
When he complained to the local old-bill they arrested him for racial
hatred???
"maria.thomson" <pl...@plonk.com> wrote in message
Joe
<ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Dorset Echo 20th November 2002 (front page story)
>
>Far right activists were today warned "keep out of Dorchester" amid fears
>that the National Front was targeting the town.
>
snip
>-------------
>
>This doesn't surprise me - towns like Dorchester can breed a terrible
>defensive mentality which the far-right feels it can easily exploit, despite
>the absence of racial tension. I know from experience that Dorchester is a
>hotbed of support for the Countryside Alliance, and this provides yet
>further evidence of the disturbing links between the pro-hunt movement and
>the nastiest, most virulent form of politics (it should be more and more
>obvious why most rural people don't want anything to do with them); I am
>sure that the far-right feel that a CA stronghold will be easy prey, hence
>why they have targeted Dorchester rather than Weymouth and Portland where
>the hunting movement barely exists.
>
>More to the point, this is the kind of thing that happens when you promote a
>rural area as a place to live exclusively among white people, as the
>Frogbucket has done since her move to Cornwall.
>There is never any room for complacency.
Surely, if rural areas remain white they will remain free of the
racial problems that blight many towns and cities.
The reason why Labour Party member Coun John Antell can
say ".... We are almost totally racism-free in this town...."
is because Dorchester is relatively free of 3rd world immigrants.
It may seem odd, but the far-right probably wishes for the same
thing as you, i.e. to keep racial strife out of Dorchester and the
countryside.
Joe
The Technical Manager
> "Robin Carmody" <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:arhv79$b8o$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Dorset Echo 20th November 2002 (front page story)
> >
> > Far right activists were today warned "keep out of Dorchester" amid fears
> > that the National Front was targeting the town.
>
> Quite agree. The National Front are a bunch of brain-dead idiots, in the
> main.
> Nobody takes them seriously. Don't worry though, I'm sure Billy Bragg will
> write a song complaining about it.
The NF exist largely for nostalgic reasons. If they can't even get 10% in the
Kingstanding ward in (not a nice part of) Birmingham then god help them in
Dorchester. They only sticker lampposts and petrol pumps because their
activists don't like to show their face.
>
> <snip>
> >
> > This doesn't surprise me - towns like Dorchester can breed a terrible
> > defensive mentality which the far-right feels it can easily exploit,
> despite
> > the absence of racial tension. I know from experience that Dorchester is
> a
> > hotbed of support for the Countryside Alliance, and this provides yet
> > further evidence of the disturbing links between the pro-hunt movement and
> > the nastiest, most virulent form of politics (it should be more and more
> > obvious why most rural people don't want anything to do with them); I am
> > sure that the far-right feel that a CA stronghold will be easy prey, hence
> > why they have targeted Dorchester rather than Weymouth and Portland where
> > the hunting movement barely exists.
>
> Rubbish. It's more likely that political parties like the BNP (who you also
> mentioned) are going to these places precisely because they don't already
> have a big ethnic population. There's not much point in being there when
> it's too late. Also, people who have never lived somewhere like London, and
> experienced the downside of multiculturalism, probably believe the lie that
> all blacks are like the loveable Trueman family out of Eastenders and every
> refugee is a structural engineer or a heart surgeon.
> >
The Freedom Party already has moved into the shires and is mounting a large
election campaign from their very active Harborough branch in a very white and
desirable part of Leicestershire. That is on top of winning over 1000 votes in
a local election in South Staffordshire. It is not all council estates of
Tipton...
altheim
"Mike Hide" <mike...@attbi.com> wrote:
> Robin Carmody wrote:
> >
> > More to the point, this is the kind of thing that happens when you promote
> > a rural area as a place to live exclusively among white people, as the
> > Frogbucket has done since her move to Cornwall. There is never any
> > room for complacency.
> >
>
> your way then you arn't going to do it..mjh
>
I wouldn't get into this if I were you. You're liable to have people
going all silent on you.
... or frothing at the mouth.
--
altheim
Paul Harper
... or pointing out the gross inaccuracies in what you say, which can
be very inconvenient to the self-image.
Paul.
--
A .sig is all well and good, but it's no substitute for a personality
JMS: "SFX is a fairly useless publication on just about every imaginable front.
Never have so many jumped-up fanboys done so little, with so much, for so long."
Wotan
Robin Carmody <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:arhv79$b8o$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> Far right activists were today warned "keep out of Dorchester" amid fears
> that the National Front was targeting the town.
>
> Councillors and campaigners said the group was not welcome in Dorchester
> after stickers were posted on lamp-posts and pavements in the shopping
> streets.
>
> They hit out as another right wing group - the British National Party
(BNP)
> claimed to be building support for its new Dorset group.
>
> Ex-mayor Wally Gundry, a former trade unionist, said: "We don't want them
> here. I don't like the National Front, or any extremist groups, full
stop.
> I think it is people from outside who have come in to target the town.
They
> should sort themselves out and get a job."
>
What bloody arrogant and outrageous affrontery !
So the local Marxist mafia now think they own Dorchester and can decide
who does and who does not stand for election in that town ?!
This goose stepping Marxist garbage is the problem across Britian - they
think they own the place and can run a police state dictatorship.
Which they hope to enforce with an "EU" controlled "Regional Assembly"
as all pretence of democracy is finally abandoned.
It is the stuff of which civil wars are made.
Many people in the Shires will vote BNP after the treachery they have
suffered at the hands of Blair - and the complete lack of support they
have received from he conservatives.
WHAT OTHER OPTIONS DO THEY HAVE LEFT ?
Wotan
altheim <alt...@theobstacle-freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:103788322...@demeter.uk.clara.net...
Blair's Marxist "EU" quislings may froth or stay silent as they wish.
They will stand trail for treason and subversion anyway.
Paul Harper
wrote:
>Blair's Marxist "EU" quislings may froth or stay silent as they wish.
>
>They will stand trail for treason and subversion anyway.
Is that a long trail or a short trail? Perhaps it's a hilly trail or
even a donkey trail?
He'll get it right in the end though. Even if it's a process of trail
and error.
Mike Hide
--
"altheim" <alt...@theobstacle-freeuk.com> wrote in message
news:103788322...@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>
Afraid of the truth are we.......mjh
Mike Hide
> >More to the point, this is the kind of thing that happens when you
promote a
> >rural area as a place to live exclusively among white people, as the
> >Frogbucket has done since her move to Cornwall.
>
> >There is never any room for complacency.
>
> Surely, if rural areas remain white they will remain free of the
> racial problems that blight many towns and cities.
>
> The reason why Labour Party member Coun John Antell can
> say ".... We are almost totally racism-free in this town...."
> is because Dorchester is relatively free of 3rd world immigrants.
>
> It may seem odd, but the far-right probably wishes for the same
> thing as you, i.e. to keep racial strife out of Dorchester and the
> countryside.
>
> Joe
Talk like that Joe makes too much sense, it is going to anger those who know
whats best for you...mjh
Andrew Fenton
"Jon°" <jon_j...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:pN2D9.5369$iI...@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> I know a bloke who tried to integrate into a pub crowded with blacks in
> Brixton once. After losing his CC's, his wrist watch, leather jacket,
mobile
> and loose change, they slung him out with a few teeth left.
>
> When he complained to the local old-bill they arrested him for racial
> hatred???
Next time, try invent something a bit more plausible.
Paul
<wo...@valhalla.net> writes
I see the terminally thick fuckwits have found this group...
--
Paul B
Paul
Jon°
"Andrew Fenton" <andrew...@lineone.nospammers.net> wrote in message
theballoon
"Wotan" <wo...@valhalla.net> wrote:
> Robin Carmody <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:arhv79$b8o$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Dorset Echo 20th November 2002 (front page story)
> >
> > Far right activists were today warned "keep out of Dorchester" amid fears
> > that the National Front was targeting the town.
> >
> > Councillors and campaigners said the group was not welcome in Dorchester
> > after stickers were posted on lamp-posts and pavements in the shopping
> > streets.
> >
> > They hit out as another right wing group - the British National Party
> (BNP)
> > claimed to be building support for its new Dorset group.
> >
> > Ex-mayor Wally Gundry, a former trade unionist, said: "We don't want them
> > here. I don't like the National Front, or any extremist groups, full
> stop.
> > I think it is people from outside who have come in to target the town.
> They
> > should sort themselves out and get a job."
> >
>
> What bloody arrogant and outrageous affrontery !
>
> So the local Marxist mafia now think they own Dorchester and can decide
> who does and who does not stand for election in that town ?!
>
> This goose stepping Marxist garbage is the problem across Britian - they
> think they own the place and can run a police state dictatorship.
Far better to leave it to the professionals:
From the BNP website:
"We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to
the British people"
Here's what's probably not going to be included:
The right to life.
"the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and
murderers"
Which under the Terrorism 2000 Act that could include an awful lot of
people, such as what's his name? - that hippy - Swampy thats it, also
the GM crop vandals.
They do however promote the government right to torture:
"Q: Do you promote violence?"
"A: No."
"We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty
criminals and vandals"
Translates as the BNP would like the State to use it's overwhelming
power in imprisoning and then physically assaulting any citizen the
government chooses.
The freedom for Britons to choose what products they buy.
"the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from
British markets and the reduction of foreign imports."
"We oppose the forces of free-trade"
The right to freedom of speech. God, even the right for two people to
kiss in public:
"We would introduce, as one of the first things we will do, a bill of
rights guaranteeing absolute freedom of speech for all citizens."
"there will be a ban on the public display and promotion of
homosexuality, including in schools and in the mass media."
The freedom to choose sexual partners.
"We are against mixed-raced relationships"
"we must preserve ethnic differences"
The freedom to practise religion.
"The BNP takes no particular religious position."
"We are, however, opposed to the growth and increased militancy of the
various Asiatic religions"
Quoted from the official BNP website www.bnp.org.uk
Specific webpages:
http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies.html
http://www.bnp.org.uk/faq.html
theballoon
"A truth that's told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent"
Blake
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
"Robin Carmody" <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:arhv79$b8o$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> Far right activists were today warned "keep out of Dorchester" amid fears
> that the National Front was targeting the town.
I went on holiday to Dorset on a number of occasions. I wouldn't have
bothered if, as you seem to want, it was just another Peckham, with trees.
I wanted to visit Hardy's cottage, and feel the setting of the Mayor Of
Casterbridge. Why do you wish to destroy what is our culture and history?
Because that's exactly what will happen if multiculturalism hits Dorchester
in a big way. The place will lose it's essence.
--
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
Neil Jung
LOL! Jon is hopeless when it comes to making up these fairy stories
isn't he!!! :-D
altheim
"Paul Harper" <pa...@harper.netNOSPAM> wrote:
> "altheim" <alt...@theobstacle-freeuk.com> wrote:
> >"Mike Hide" <mike...@attbi.com> wrote:
> >> Robin Carmody wrote:
> >> >
> >> > More to the point, this is the kind of thing that happens when you
> >> > promote
> >> > a rural area as a place to live exclusively among white people, as the
> >> > Frogbucket has done since her move to Cornwall. There is never any
> >> > room for complacency.
> >>
> >> So where are you from, the very far left no doubt. so if you don't do it
> >> your way then you arn't going to do it..mjh
> >
> > I wouldn't get into this if I were you. You're liable to have people
> > going all silent on you.
> >
> >... or frothing at the mouth.
>
> ... or pointing out the gross inaccuracies in what you say, which can
> be very inconvenient to the self-image.
>
But you didn't point out any inaccuracies in what I said (in a
thread about immigration). You didn't even address them until
I bullied you, far less counter them. You just bleated on and on
about racism, which was not an issue except in your mind.
--
altheim
altheim
"Paul" <pa...@streetka.biz> wrote:
> ROFL!
>
> I see the terminally thick fuckwits have found this group...
Yep. Sure didn't take you long.
--
altheim
altheim
"Mike Hide" <mike...@attbi.com> wrote:
> "altheim" <alt...@theobstacle-freeuk.com> wrote:
> > "Mike Hide" <mike...@attbi.com> wrote:
> > > Robin Carmody wrote:
> > > >
> > > > More to the point, this is the kind of thing that happens when you
> > > > promote a rural area as a place to live exclusively among white
> > > > people, as the Frogbucket has done since her move to Cornwall.
> > > > There is never any room for complacency.
> > >
> > > So where are you from, the very far left no doubt. so if you don't do it
> > > your way then you arn't going to do it..mjh
> >
> > I wouldn't get into this if I were you. You're liable to have people
> > going all silent on you.
> >
> > ... or frothing at the mouth.
> >
Not at all, I'm the ultimate seeker of truth.
To explain my comment (above) I asked, in a thread posted
in uk.politics.rural, what impact recent increases in immigration
might have on rural communities and the countryside. To be
sure the original thread was a blatent troll but my question was
serious as I believe any issue which is liable to have an effect,
or result in unwanted changes to country people and their long
established way of life needs, at the very least, to be discussed.
Several people took offence, apparently assuming I was a
prominent BNP activist, and refused to say anything more.
Only one person, convinced of his divine goodness and
determined to make me a better person, took the trouble to
engage me in conversation. Unfortunately, despite my best
efforts, he was unable to see my point of view and, indeed,
towards the end of our discussion, unable to handle defeat,
he did appear to suffer an apoplectic convulsion.
--
altheim
billy
"Baroness Edwina Frogbucket" <edwina.f...@void.com> wrote in
message news:ariael$iv5or$1...@ID-58798.news.dfncis.de...
not
> allowed now, in Tony's happy-clappy phoney Britain, to like being with
your
> own kind (if you're white that is...Asians and blacks can have their
> 'communities' though)? It's exactly the same reason refugees go to
London,
> isn't it? To be among their own? So why can't I feel that way? Is
it cos
> I is white? That's discrimination, that is...
>
> --
> Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
>
>
Edwina,
you is white and cos you is white you have to feel ashamed you is white.
That is not discrimination but what you must suffer because of the slave
trade and imperialism.
Them who is black is innocent cos them is black.
Learn the rules!
regards,
billy
P.S. I heard that the BNP have scored again. Is it cos them is white?
Soon, it might be alright to be white and we won't have to say: "Is it
cos I is white?"
Better times ahead?
*****************
Robert Henderson
<ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>
>Far right activists were today warned
On what authority? RH
>"keep out of Dorchester" amid fears
>that the National Front was targeting the town.
--
Robert Henderson
phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Paul
<Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <arhv79$b8o$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
><ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>>
>>Far right activists were today warned
>
>On what authority? RH
>
--
Paul B
Therefore
he BNP came from nowhere to snatch the Liberal Democrat ward of Mill Hill on
Darwen Borough Council in Blackburn, Lancashire.
The BNP polled 578 votes to 562 for Labour, 505 for Liberal Democrats and
154 for Tories. The result has rekindled fears of a far-right advance in the
North West, where the party took three seats in Burnley last May.
"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3aZTcKDa...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
sean
> Dorset Echo 20th November 2002 (front page story)
>
> that the National Front was targeting the town.
>
> after stickers were posted on lamp-posts and pavements in the shopping
> streets.
>
> They hit out as another right wing group - the British National Party (BNP)
> claimed to be building support for its new Dorset group.
>
> Ex-mayor Wally Gundry, a former trade unionist, said: "We don't want them
> here. I don't like the National Front, or any extremist groups, full stop.
> I think it is people from outside who have come in to target the town. They
> should sort themselves out and get a job."
>
> to the 1930s when we had a contingent of blackshirts in Dorchester."
>
> The National Front stickers were put up in South Street, Trinity Street,
> Antelope Walk and Cornhill.
>
> Activists targeted the town after the BNP - which has tried to distance
> itself from the far right - claimed it had recruited 300 people in Dorset in
> 2002.
>
> But members of the Anti-Nazi League disputed that figure and claimed the
> party had inflated the figures to boost its credibility.
>
> Labour Party member Coun John Antell said "It is disturbing to think that
> the National Front may be active in Dorchester. We are almost totally
> racism-free in this town and do our utmost to keep a society where everyone
> is treated equally. We don't want people like the National Front and
> British National Party to come and stir things up. They should stay well
> away."
>
> He added: "Irrespective of political views, these stickers must be
> considered as flyposting and will be removed."
>
> The spectre of the far right in Dorchester comes after a branch of the
> British Union of Fascists was formed in the town in the 1930s.
>
> Oswald Mosley, leader of the British Union of Fascists, spoke to the
> so-called blackshirts at the Dorchester Corn Exchange.
>
> Neil Buckoke, whose Dorset Animal Action Anti-Bloodsports group is
> affiliated to the Anti-Nazi League, said: "I think it is an awful thing to
> start happening in Dorchester. Members of our group were set on by National
> Front supporters at the Countryside Alliance march in London. If it wasn't
> for the police getting us out, we could have been badly hurt."
>
> He added: "If it needs to be done we may need to have a rally in Dorchester
> with the Anti-Nazi League, unionists and everyone else pulling together."
>
> Dorchester Police said they had received no complaints about the stickers.
>
> -------------
>
> This doesn't surprise me - towns like Dorchester can breed a terrible
> defensive mentality which the far-right feels it can easily exploit, despite
> the absence of racial tension. I know from experience that Dorchester is a
> hotbed of support for the Countryside Alliance, and this provides yet
> further evidence of the disturbing links between the pro-hunt movement and
> the nastiest, most virulent form of politics (it should be more and more
> obvious why most rural people don't want anything to do with them); I am
> sure that the far-right feel that a CA stronghold will be easy prey, hence
> why they have targeted Dorchester rather than Weymouth and Portland where
> the hunting movement barely exists.
Well, that's very interesting. However, there are a few holes in your
argument:-
1. The BNP have just won a seat in Blackburn. Not many CA supporters
there I reckon; nor in Stoke, Burnley, Oldham, Lewisham or in the
other places they have been doing so well in recently. In fact, their
greatest support tends to be in areas where CA supporters are pretty
thin on the ground.
2. You have not actually produced any evidence to show that there are
"disturbing links" between the BNP and the CA; probably because there
aren't any.
3. Most National Socialist organisations have tended to take a very
sentimental line towards animal rights. Hitler, for example, banned
both vivisection and hunting.
> More to the point, this is the kind of thing that happens when you promote a
> rural area as a place to live exclusively among white people, as the
> Frogbucket has done since her move to Cornwall. There is never any room for
> complacency.
Quite likely, many CA members dislike mass immigration into the UK.
So do most of the population of this country. Not in itself evidence
that Dorchester is a hotbed of BNP support.
eugenekent
"Jon°" <jon_j...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Robin Carmody
This is dead right, Balloon. There is a grotesque inconsistency
between the BNP's calls for "freedom of speech" and the reality of
their policies - basically they only believe in freedom for people
like themselves. The Tories often show a similar double standard but
are nowhere near as bad.
--
Robin Carmody, Portland, Dorset
Robin Carmody
>
> goose stepping
No Bob, *you* are the only goose stepper round here.
Robin Carmody
>
> Surely, if rural areas remain white they will remain free of the
> racial problems that blight many towns and cities.
>
> is because Dorchester is relatively free of 3rd world immigrants.
>
> It may seem odd, but the far-right probably wishes for the same
> thing as you, i.e. to keep racial strife out of Dorchester and the
> countryside.
Straw man argument, Joe. Many inner city areas have great racial
diversity and very little significant racial tension or violence, and
a desultory BNP vote (if they even bother to stand there). The idea
that rural areas will suffer great racial tension if they have more
non-white inhabitants is a fallacy. Oldham, Blackburn and Burnley are
NOT representative of urban Britain at all.
Robin Carmody
>
> The Freedom Party already has moved into the shires and is mounting a large
> election campaign from their very active Harborough branch in a very white and
> desirable part of Leicestershire. That is on top of winning over 1000 votes in
> a local election in South Staffordshire.
Yes, the centre of British political discourse, I'm sure ...
Robin Carmody
>
> mentioned) are going to these places precisely because they don't already
> have a big ethnic population.
Erm ... but the BNP have ***only ever*** won any level of electoral
success picking up on the resentment of white voters like yourself in
areas with a large ethnic population - generally those areas with a
strong element of racial separatism at a local level. The Isle of
Dogs, Oldham, Burnley and Blackburn. That's it, really. They tried
to win the support of provincial Tories in 1983, shortly after their
inception as a breakaway group from the National Front, by standing in
places like Worcester, Bournemouth and York. It was an utter
electoral disaster and they have never tried that again. Voters in
the shires who want to support a fringe candidate to the right of the
Tory party will vote UKIP or Conservative Democratic Alliance (if that
holds together). Contrary to Wotan's predictions, most of them
probably won't get the chance to vote BNP.
> I like living in this area, with indigenous Brits like myself.
Define an "indigenous Brit".
Robin Carmody
> Strange that (the BNP) have not set up camp in Wellingborough where there
> is a large ethnic population, *and* it's a typical 'middle England'
> constituency.
>
> Perhaps they only go for those areas where there is trouble at'mill
like the foxhunting issue in Dorchester
or
> where there is a strong Conservative camp.
Wellingborough is a Lab-Con marginal, so there'd be the issue of
vote-splitting to consider if the BNP stood there (ditto in Dorset
West, a Con-LD marginal). To be honest though I think the BNP ignores
towns like Wellingborough because they do not have the racial tension
it thrives on exploiting. In 1992 they stood in nearby Peterborough,
a town with a history of Con-Lab marginality (a small far-right group
intended to confuse voters in 1983 by fighting the seat using the
description "Labour", but this thankfully did not happen), and which
was then the constituency of the Tory government minister Dr Brian
Mawhinney ("Mr Dr Mawhinney" of John Major's Private Eye diaries).
Although more than 10% of the population of Peterborough declared
themselves non-white in the 1991 census, the BNP had a miniscule share
of the vote in 1992 and have, significantly, not fought the seat at
either subsequent general election.
They have abandoned other constituencies with a racially mixed
population and no significant tension or violence after discovering
that nobody wanted them there, and have concentrated their efforts on
a small, mercifully unrepresentative minority of towns, most of which
are still suffering the effects of the collapse of British industry.
That Oldham, Burnley and a few other towns have developed a strong
culture of racial separatism at local level is to be regretted, but
they are NOT representative of urban Britain as a whole. If they
were, the BNP would be challenging for some key marginal seats, not
languishing with a negligible share of the vote in most areas.
Robin Carmody
>
> I went on holiday to Dorset on a number of occasions. I wouldn't have
> bothered if, as you seem to want, it was just another Peckham, with trees.
"the only thing I miss about London is broadband" - Frogspawn, a few
weeks ago.
Greater broadband internet access in rural areas, which I support,
would increase cultural urbanisation (think of all those hip-hop mp3s
people like me could download much faster!).
I could also cite the way you said it would be "barmy" to stop using
mobile phones because you had moved, when mobiles are in fact a
well-known facet of the aggressive London life you supposedly dislike
and are quite alien to the slow-paced rural life you allegedly want
... but, no, it'd be too much like shooting fish in a barrel.
> I wanted to visit Hardy's cottage, and feel the setting of the Mayor Of
> Casterbridge.
But you help to destroy such atmospheres through being a free
marketeer.
> Why do you wish to destroy what is our culture and history?
I don't, I just don't want the far-right to think they can get away
with their bigotry and hatred.
> Because that's exactly what will happen if multiculturalism hits Dorchester
> in a big way. The place will lose it's essence.
It already has. One word: "Thatcherism". Two words: "mass
Americanisation". Three words: "Broadcasting Act 1990". Four words:
"Education Reform Act 1988". (mmm ... like shooting fish in a barrel.)
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
"billy" <jo...@billy100DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Edwina,
> you is white and cos you is white you have to feel ashamed you is white.
> That is not discrimination but what you must suffer because of the slave
> trade and imperialism.
> Them who is black is innocent cos them is black.
> Learn the rules!
They're silly rules that will only end up causing resentment and trouble.
--
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
>
> Define an "indigenous Brit".
That's hard to define with words, but I'd say white English, Scottish, Welsh
and I suppose Northern Irish. Somebody who can trace their roots in this
country back to the 1500's like I can. If you look at the USA, because
underneath they still feel quite rootless, they often refer to themselves as
Irish-American, Afro-American or Italian-American, whereas an indigenous
English person just feels English.
--
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
"Robin Carmody" <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Straw man argument, Joe. Many inner city areas have great racial
> diversity and very little significant racial tension or violence, and
> a desultory BNP vote (if they even bother to stand there). The idea
> that rural areas will suffer great racial tension if they have more
> non-white inhabitants is a fallacy. Oldham, Blackburn and Burnley are
> NOT representative of urban Britain at all.
No? Maybe they are just the first places to boil over with it.
--
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
>
> I could also cite the way you said it would be "barmy" to stop using
> mobile phones because you had moved, when mobiles are in fact a
> well-known facet of the aggressive London life you supposedly dislike
> and are quite alien to the slow-paced rural life you allegedly want
> ... but, no, it'd be too much like shooting fish in a barrel.
Mobile phones make even more sense in a rural area. The only problem owning
one in London, is that muggers like beating you up for them.
>
> > I wanted to visit Hardy's cottage, and feel the setting of the Mayor Of
> > Casterbridge.
>
> But you help to destroy such atmospheres through being a free
> marketeer.
Oh give it a rest, Robin. Travellers have always liked visiting beautiful
and evocative places. What about the Grand Tours? In fact,
Weymouth was a favourite for Victorians to go and bathe wasn't it? You know
exactly what I'm saying but are choosing to be deliberately obtuse. As I
say, if some of the more historic and beautiful places in the UK became
multicultural ghettos, they would lose their essence - truth.
--
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
Robin Carmody
>
> "Robin Carmody" <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:27904a9a.02112...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > Define an "indigenous Brit".
>
> That's hard to define with words, but I'd say white English, Scottish,
Welsh
> and I suppose Northern Irish.
That would be highly contentious among Northern Irish people from Catholic
backgrounds, though.
Somebody who can trace their roots in this
> country back to the 1500's like I can. If you look at the USA, because
> underneath they still feel quite rootless, they often refer to themselves
as
> Irish-American, Afro-American or Italian-American, whereas an indigenous
> English person just feels English.
*I* feel English - just outward-looking internationalist sort of English,
not defensive inward-looking English.
Robin Carmody
Oldham and Burnley at least (not sure about Blackburn) have had many years
of separate development between the white and Asian populations. That is
not the case in most urban areas.
Robin Carmody
>
> "Robin Carmody" <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:27904a9a.02112...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > I could also cite the way you said it would be "barmy" to stop using
> > mobile phones because you had moved, when mobiles are in fact a
> > well-known facet of the aggressive London life you supposedly dislike
> > and are quite alien to the slow-paced rural life you allegedly want
> > ... but, no, it'd be too much like shooting fish in a barrel.
>
> Mobile phones make even more sense in a rural area. The only problem
owning
> one in London, is that muggers like beating you up for them.
Wriggle away, Edwina. You know full well what I meant.
> > > I wanted to visit Hardy's cottage, and feel the setting of the Mayor
Of
> > > Casterbridge.
> >
> > But you help to destroy such atmospheres through being a free
> > marketeer.
>
> Oh give it a rest, Robin. Travellers have always liked visiting beautiful
> and evocative places.
But those "travellers" did not believe in unrestricted globalisation, which
is what really destroys the atmosphere of such places. You do.
> What about the Grand Tours?
See above.
In fact,
> Weymouth was a favourite for Victorians to go and bathe wasn't it?
See above.
You know
> exactly what I'm saying but are choosing to be deliberately obtuse.
No, I am making a serious point about your deep-rooted paradox.
As I
> say, if some of the more historic and beautiful places in the UK became
> multicultural ghettos, they would lose their essence - truth.
They lost their essence decades ago, mainly because of American-led cultural
changes. I suggest you read Dennis Potter's account of his return to the
Forest of Dean in 1961 (can't remember the title but I think it was "The
Changing Forest"). It would open your eyes no end.
theballoon
ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk (Robin Carmody) wrote:
As do I'm afraid, and based on responses in this ng, the people whom
vote for them.
Mike Hide
> you is white and cos you is white you have to feel ashamed you is white.
> That is not discrimination but what you must suffer because of the slave
> trade and imperialism.
> Them who is black is innocent cos them is black.
> Learn the rules!
> regards,
> billy
> P.S. I heard that the BNP have scored again. Is it cos them is white?
> Soon, it might be alright to be white and we won't have to say: "Is it
> cos I is white?"
> Better times ahead?
> *****************
>
>
Silly me ,and I thought the British were the ones that abolished slavery and
enforced its abolition .
Silly me I thought Lincoln in the American civil war introduced the notion
that it was all to do with slavery to one end ,to keep the British from
supporting the south.
Some character by the name of Wilberforce and a bunch of religious nuts
called quakers comes to mind....mjh
Paul
Frogbucket <edwina.f...@void.com> writes
>
>"Robin Carmody" <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:27904a9a.02112...@posting.google.com...
>>
>> Define an "indigenous Brit".
>
>That's hard to define with words, but I'd say white English, Scottish, Welsh
>and I suppose Northern Irish.
Celts were not white. Nor were the Fenlanders, Romano-British and a host
of others who made up the racial mix in this country.
--
Paul B
BOEDICIA
>shires
>From: Paul pa...@streetka.biz
>Date: 11/23/02 12:09 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <VRhfM$Keez3...@clara.co.uk>
>>> Define an "indigenous Brit".
>>
>>That's hard to define with words, but I'd say white English, Scottish, Welsh
>>and I suppose Northern Irish.
>Celts were not white.
Then what are they?
>Romano-British and a host
>of others who made up the racial mix in this country.
You should get yourself a white cane.
Robert Henderson
writes
Because otherwise it caries no weight in such circumstances. It is in
any case sinister that a political party which offers itself for
election is warned off by other politicos. RH
Biker Dave
"Paul" <pa...@streetka.biz> wrote in message news:VRhfM$Keez3...@clara.co.uk...
>
> Celts were not white. Nor were the Fenlanders, Romano-British and a host
> of others who made up the racial mix in this country.
?????
The Celts of Gaul were blond and the Celts of Britain were generally dark haired, but they were 'white'. They are all members of the
Indo-European group of peoples which include caucasians. If they were not white, then what were they?
The Romano-British were not even a separate race, but were those Celts living in Britain at the time of the Roman invasion, who then
adopted the Roman life style. True, as with all Roman provinces, there was an influx of people from all over Europe and N.Africa but
this certainly wasn't enough to significantly alter the racial mix of the Celtic population of Britain. It wasn't until the Germanic
peoples (Angles, Saxons etc) arrived in the years following the break-up of the Roman Empire that there was a sufficiently large
number of immigrants to change that.
--
Biker Dave
Paul
>In article <MrHjRIGo...@clara.co.uk>, Paul <pa...@streetka.biz>
>writes
>>In article <3aZTcKDa...@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, Robert Henderson
>><Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>In article <arhv79$b8o$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
>>><ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>>>>
>>>>Far right activists were today warned
>>>
>>>On what authority? RH
>>>
>>Why do you need authority to warn anyone?
>
>Because otherwise it caries no weight in such circumstances. It is in
>any case sinister that a political party which offers itself for
>election is warned off by other politicos. RH
Of course it carries weight. If some fascist bastard comes down my
street peddling his filth I can warn him not to do it, and if he does it
again I can kick his backside off my doorstep.
If some BNP monkey decides to stand for election to my local council I
can warn him or her that I'll attend every meeting he or she holds and
point out the kind of nasty crap they stand for. That needs no
authority, is not illegal and is certainly not sinister.
Fuckwit.
--
Paul B
billy
Edwina,
of course what you say is the *obvious* and *indisputable* truth.
I do a lot of voluntary work in woodland conservation. The local wood we
look after is the last remains of what was once a more extensive area -
whose history we can trace to pre 1066.
Its main growth is oak; ash; hazel; elder and hawthorn and it supports
carpets of bluebell, white anemone and red campion - giving a marvellous
"English woodland" display in the spring.
The point I am making is this:
We go to a lot of effort to preserve the woodland's natural character
and makes sure no "alien" plants take "roots" to destroy this.
We are particularly worried about adjacent houses throwing garden
rubbish around its periphery with possible foreign importations which
could "run wild".
As in the case of the wood, so in the case of the country.
For instance and for example:
The Cotswolds have a unique and essentially English character and one
can look down from its hills to villages with an ancient church at their
centre - all constructed of Cotswold stone and therefore harmoniously
blending with the landscape.
Now:
Imagine a village with the churches replaced by mosques with red and
green garnished domes and built of - say - marble imported from Turkey.
Also, instead of the gentle sound of the church bell drifting across the
meadows, one heard the wailing, Arabic, call to prayer.
It is an obvious and indisputable truth that the unique character of the
Cotswolds would be destroyed.
The intrusion would be as harsh and as incongruous as, say, seeing a
palm tree growing amongst oak and hazel.
So for what purpose and to what end do the multiculturalist insist on
changing the natural character of England by encouraging alien
importations?
That is what they must explain - but never do.
For what purpose and to what end?
All we get is pious hopes (without evidence) that something *better*
will emerge.
They will not accept there are people who happen to like England just as
it was. Just as I (and I suspect you and many others) like the wood I
mentioned and the Cotswolds just as they are.
And they cannot accept that we (rightly) cannot imagine anything better;
and that we know (rightly) what is now being inflicted upon the
country - in general -is worse.
regards,
billy
********************
billy
"Mike Hide" <mike...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:ARDD9.116789$1O2.8240@sccrnsc04...
my original posting should be taken as an exercise in "tongue in cheek".
However:
you are quite right: the British did abolish slavery at the cost to the
British taxpayer of £20 million, at the value of currency at that time -
which would be £1.5 billion in present day costs.
Also: Lincoln *did* play the "race card". He would have used any ploy to
preserve the Union. He said if to do this meant keeping slaves in
perpetual servitude, he would do that.
regards, billy
****************
billy
Please inform when the Celts changed from black to white and what caused
the change.
regards, billy
***************
billy
Cock Robin (aka White Negro),
One always wishes to defend what one values. Seeing that you wish to
change Englishness into something "international" (whatever that
means) you obviously do not value Englishness. And - no doubt - that is
why you express so much disdain regarding English history.
Also: if you are "international" why are you so averse to
globalisation - which is about as "international" as you can get?
I think you are as confused as your partner in nonsense: Ivan the Sly.
regards, billy
*****************
Robin Carmody
>
> The Cotswolds have a unique and essentially English character and one
> can look down from its hills to villages with an ancient church at their
> centre - all constructed of Cotswold stone and therefore harmoniously
> blending with the landscape.
> Now:
> Imagine a village with the churches replaced by mosques with red and
> green garnished domes and built of - say - marble imported from Turkey.
> Also, instead of the gentle sound of the church bell drifting across the
> meadows, one heard the wailing, Arabic, call to prayer.
Fine.
So would you object if the church was replaced by a McDonalds and instead of
the church bell one heard Elvis Presley's "30 Number 1 Hits" album?
If you were a genuine "English traditionalist", as I understand the term,
you certainly would. But going by your comments in another thread on here,
you certainly wouldn't.
You are a very confused person, Billy.
Robert Henderson
writes
>
>>Because otherwise it caries no weight in such circumstances. It is in
>>any case sinister that a political party which offers itself for
>>election is warned off by other politicos. RH
>
>Of course it carries weight. If some fascist bastard comes down my street
>peddling his filth I can warn him not to do it, and if he does it again I can
>kick his backside off my doorstep.
>
>If some BNP monkey decides to stand for election to my local council I can warn
>him or her that I'll attend every meeting he or she holds and point out the kind
>of nasty crap they stand for. That needs no authority, is not illegal and is
>certainly not sinister.
>
>Fuckwit.
>--
>
>Paul B
Binky Dawkins
Where are these urban areas that Asians don't turn into miniature versions
of their homelands ?
Robin Carmody
>
> One always wishes to defend what one values. Seeing that you wish to
> change Englishness into something "international" (whatever that
> means)
Englishness has always been international. It has always taken from
worldwide influences, especially those we absorbed when we had the Empire.
you obviously do not value Englishness. And - no doubt - that is
> why you express so much disdain regarding English history.
A classic BIG LIE. I love England and English history. I just don't come
at it from the same perspective as you do.
> Also: if you are "international" why are you so averse to
> globalisation - which is about as "international" as you can get?
Because globalisation, as defined by the multinationals, basically means
imposing one culture (mass Americanisation) over all others. I support
*real* globalisation, ie equality of cultures. The current corporate-led
globalisation won't give us that.
> I think you are as confused as your partner in nonsense: Ivan the Sly.
Confused? This coming from the man who rants against "alien cultural
influences" while praising McDonalds, admiring Elvis Presley and
rock'n'roll, and claiming that America are "our best friends" in the world?
Ho, ho, ho ... hos to infinity and beyond and then some.
Binky Dawkins
> Confused? This coming from the man who rants against "alien cultural
> influences" while praising McDonalds, admiring Elvis Presley and
> rock'n'roll, and claiming that America are "our best friends" in the
world?
> Ho, ho, ho ... hos to infinity and beyond and then some.
Why are McDonalds evil, but curry houses are 'vibrantly diverse' ?
Binky Dawkins
> Ho, ho, ho ... hos to infinity and beyond and then some.
> --
> Robin Carmody, Portland, Dorset
That's a lot of ho's Robin. Is this your sexual fantasy ?
Biker Dave
"Binky Dawkins" <bdaw...@thedrones.net> wrote in message
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Perhaps he's referring to the after-effects of a vindaloo?
Dirk Bruere
"Biker Dave" <nos...@tufftedmcc.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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I can tell you which I'd rather have a meal at.
Dirk
Mike Hide
"Therefore" <les...@mrwelch.screaming.net> wrote in message
news:arlumq$k2eje$1...@ID-118308.news.dfncis.de...
> Leslie Says read this
>
> he BNP came from nowhere to snatch the Liberal Democrat ward of Mill Hill
on
> Darwen Borough Council in Blackburn, Lancashire.
>
> The BNP polled 578 votes to 562 for Labour, 505 for Liberal Democrats and
> 154 for Tories. The result has rekindled fears of a far-right advance in
the
> North West, where the party took three seats in Burnley last May.
>
>
And I bet all those that voted for the BNP were marched down to the polling
booth and under force of arms were told who to vote for....mjh
>
> "Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3aZTcKDa...@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> > In article <arhv79$b8o$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, Robin Carmody
> > <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> writes
> > >
> > >Far right activists were today warned
> >
> > On what authority? RH
> >
> > >"keep out of Dorchester" amid fears
> > >that the National Front was targeting the town.
Robin Carmody
All very racially integrated compared to Oldham and Burnley.
Robin Carmody
You miss the point again. *I* don't think McDonalds are evil. Shitty
unhealthy processed food yes, evil no. It's just that Billy *would* think
they were evil if he had a consistent bone in his body.
Robin Carmody
"I'm a ho, you's a ho, everybody's a ho ..." (Ludacris at his finest)
Binky Dawkins
Ah, they don't write em like that any more.
Binky Dawkins
> > > Oldham and Burnley at least (not sure about Blackburn) have had many
> years
> > > of separate development between the white and Asian populations. That
> is
> > > not the case in most urban areas.
> >
> > Where are these urban areas that Asians don't turn into miniature
> versions
> > of their homelands ?
>
> All very racially integrated compared to Oldham and Burnley.
If you drive through large parts of Brum you would think you were in
Islamabad. Pakistanis in particular do not, and will not integrate.
altheim
"Robert Henderson" <Phi...@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Paul <pa...@streetka.biz> writes
> >
> >>Because otherwise it caries no weight in such circumstances. It is in
> >>any case sinister that a political party which offers itself for
> >>election is warned off by other politicos. RH
> >
> >Of course it carries weight. If some fascist bastard comes down my
> >street peddling his filth I can warn him not to do it, and if he does it
> >again I can kick his backside off my doorstep.
> >
> >If some BNP monkey decides to stand for election to my local council I can
> >warn him or her that I'll attend every meeting he or she holds and point
out
> >the kind of nasty crap they stand for. That needs no authority, is not
illegal
> >and is certainly not sinister.
> >
> >Fuckwit.
> >
Quite. And I think, if Paul doesn't see how 'sinister' his ranting
is then he doesn't know the meaning of the word. What the 'Pauls'
of this world fail to recognise is that native English are increasingly
outraged, not by the presence or the colour of immigrants, but by
perceived injustices heaped on them by local councils forced by
the government to house, feed and pay asylum seekers - all at
taxpayers' expense; by the pressure they put on all our services,
including road traffic and by the changes to our culture which they
bring with them.
Whether or not you agree that these perceived injustices are real
is open to debate - of course - but that a problem exists because
of this perception is undeniably real. Today's Sunday Express
(p20 Opinion) makes a valid point: the BNP is gaining ground
because no-one else will listen to the wishes of indigenous
Englishmen and women. The country is not of infinite size and we
can absorb only so many newcomers. I believe we have already
reached that point and immigration has to stop - now.
For this to happen we have to talk about the problem - openly and
without fear of racist jibes. Certainly we must not be silenced by
the likes of Paul and Paul.
--
altheim
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
>
> So would you object if the church was replaced by a McDonalds and instead
of
> the church bell one heard Elvis Presley's "30 Number 1 Hits" album?
Now you're being silly. Besides, McDonalds are actually getting rid of some
of their outlets, as they're not doing too well lately, so I believe.
--
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
>
> If some fascist bastard comes down my
> street peddling his filth I can warn him not to do it, and if he does it
> again I can kick his backside off my doorstep.
You wouldn't stand on your doostep and enjoy a political discussion with him
to talk about your different viewpoints with the intention of maybe making
him see things your way?
>
> If some BNP monkey decides to stand for election to my local council I
> can warn him or her that I'll attend every meeting he or she holds and
> point out the kind of nasty crap they stand for. That needs no
> authority, is not illegal and is certainly not sinister.
Would you argue your points with reason, to prove to undecided voters that
you are 'better' than those who you label 'fascist bastards', or just stand
up to heckle and swear like a thug?
>
> Fuckwit.
...definitely the heckling and swearing.....
--
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
altheim
"Paul Harper" <pa...@harper.netNOSPAM> wrote:
> "altheim" <alt...@theobstacle-freeuk.com> wrote:
>
> >the BNP is gaining ground
> >because no-one else will listen to the wishes of indigenous
> >Englishmen and women.
>
> that listens to the wishes of "indigenous Englishmen and women" (ie
> white, middle class, middle income, middle intelligence people)
> *exclusively* over any and all other points of view.
>
> That's why.
>
Except for the *exclusively* bit I think that's what I said. But what is
important is that it was an opinion expressed by a big circulation
newspaper. It was printing the thoughts of a lot of people. It's not a
taboo subject anymore
> Because it's easier to say "I don't like this, stop" than "this isn't
> working well, what can we do about it?"
>
OK, that's a start but it's my opinion that stopping immigration may
well be the only solution.
> And I very much doubt that gaining a few council seats is ever going
> to make a party into a credible political force. The BNP and their
> supporters are, and always will be, a joke.
I wouldn't know. I honestly don't know the BNP at all but if
things don't improve I might well be tempted, as apparently
lots and lots of people are doing, to investigate.
--
altheim
Robin Carmody
>
> "Robin Carmody" <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:aro7bm$ah0$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > So would you object if the church was replaced by a McDonalds and
instead
> of
> > the church bell one heard Elvis Presley's "30 Number 1 Hits" album?
>
> Now you're being silly.
No, just invoking an old thread in which Billy made an arse of himself.
Besides, McDonalds are actually getting rid of some
> of their outlets,
Thank God!
> as they're not doing too well lately, so I believe.
More 1980s chickens come home to roost ...
Mike Hide
>
> No, just invoking an old thread in which Billy made an arse of himself.
>
> Besides, McDonalds are actually getting rid of some
> > of their outlets,
>
> Thank God!
>
> > as they're not doing too well lately, so I believe.
>
> More 1980s chickens come home to roost ...
> --
> Robin Carmody, Portland, Dorset
>
>
Yep ,I still remember the old Wimpy roadside stands that used to serve
hamburgers.Absolutely foul tasting produced in unsanitary conditions by
unsanitary people. Probably used road kill for "beef"
Perhaps we can reintroduce them, I am sure Robin and his ilk would just love
that.
Of course the fact that McDonalds exist is proof they make money, so
somebody must frequent the places...mjh
Gareth Crawshaw
>
>
> >
> > No, just invoking an old thread in which Billy made an arse of himself.
> >
> > Besides, McDonalds are actually getting rid of some
> > > of their outlets,
> >
> > Thank God!
> >
> > > as they're not doing too well lately, so I believe.
> >
> > More 1980s chickens come home to roost ...
> > --
> > Robin Carmody, Portland, Dorset
> >
> >
> Yep ,I still remember the old Wimpy roadside stands that used to serve
> hamburgers.Absolutely foul tasting produced in unsanitary conditions by
> unsanitary people. Probably used road kill for "beef"
They've matured, or rebranded or something now... Welcome Beak? or Little
Chief or something like that?
Gareth
Robin Carmody
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>
> hamburgers.
I am not defending them either. That is where the rot set in. McDonalds
simply dress it up in glossy American imagery to fool gullible people, of
whom there are many ...
Ivanalias
>shires
>From: "Robin Carmody" ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk
>I am not defending them either. That is where the rot set in. McDonalds
>simply dress it up in glossy American imagery to fool gullible people, of
>whom there are many ...
Well, there are about 270 million of them sandwiched between Canada and Mexico
for starters...
Ivan
Gareth Crawshaw
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-137 in Asia because somebody noticed that Peking duck was better then
McPeking duck...
g
Paul
Frogbucket <edwina.f...@void.com> writes
>
>"Paul" <pa...@streetka.biz> wrote in message
>news:12nnlGBE...@clara.co.uk...
>>
>> If some fascist bastard comes down my
>> street peddling his filth I can warn him not to do it, and if he does it
>> again I can kick his backside off my doorstep.
>
>You wouldn't stand on your doostep and enjoy a political discussion with him
>to talk about your different viewpoints with the intention of maybe making
>him see things your way?
>>
idiots, because they're incapable of understanding anything other than
the tripe they read in their nasty little magazines or read on their
nasty little websites.
>> If some BNP monkey decides to stand for election to my local council I
>> can warn him or her that I'll attend every meeting he or she holds and
>> point out the kind of nasty crap they stand for. That needs no
>> authority, is not illegal and is certainly not sinister.
>
>Would you argue your points with reason, to prove to undecided voters that
>you are 'better' than those who you label 'fascist bastards', or just stand
>up to heckle and swear like a thug?
Undecided voters don't normally attend BNP meetings. Just the
already-racist thickoes who have already decided that non-white people
are inferior.
>>
>> Fuckwit.
>
>...definitely the heckling and swearing.....
>
In what way is "fuckwit" swearing? It's acknowledged usenet usage by
now.
--
Paul B
altheim
"Paul Harper" <pa...@harper.netNOSPAM> wrote:
> "altheim" <alt...@theobstacle-freeuk.com> wrote:
>
> >OK, that's a start but it's my opinion that stopping immigration may
> >well be the only solution.
>
>
I really can't think of an alternative (which is why I see putting
a stop to immigration as the only solution) but if you have any
ideas let's hear them.
> >I wouldn't know. I honestly don't know the BNP at all but if
> >things don't improve I might well be tempted, as apparently
> >lots and lots of people are doing, to investigate.
>
> Forgive me if I am undershocked at that piece of news.
Aren't you equally "undershocked" to realise the amount of
power the BNP might gain if something isn't done?
--
altheim
Binky Dawkins
> In article <arqiu8$kr9o4$1...@ID-58798.news.dfncis.de>, Baroness Edwina
> Frogbucket <edwina.f...@void.com> writes
> >> Fuckwit.
> >
> >...definitely the heckling and swearing.....
> In what way is "fuckwit" swearing?
The usual way.
> It's acknowledged usenet usage by
> now.
Only by f***kwits.
billy
"Robin Carmody" <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > The Cotswolds have a unique and essentially English character and
one
> > can look down from its hills to villages with an ancient church at
their
> > centre - all constructed of Cotswold stone and therefore
harmoniously
> > blending with the landscape.
> > Now:
> > Imagine a village with the churches replaced by mosques with red and
> > green garnished domes and built of - say - marble imported from
Turkey.
> > Also, instead of the gentle sound of the church bell drifting across
the
> > meadows, one heard the wailing, Arabic, call to prayer.
>
> Fine.
>
> So would you object if the church was replaced by a McDonalds and
instead of
> the church bell one heard Elvis Presley's "30 Number 1 Hits" album?
>
term,
> you certainly would. But going by your comments in another thread on
here,
> you certainly wouldn't.
>
> You are a very confused person, Billy.
> --
> Robin Carmody, Portland, Dorset
>
Cock Robin (aka White Negro)
the person confused is yourself. You are not comparing like with like -
as I did.
I know of cases where Baptist and Methodist churches have been replaced
(converted into) mosques; but I know of *no* cases where a McDonalds
have replaced a church. Nor do I know where Elvis Presley records are
loudly broadcast over a town to attract people into anything.
McDonald services are placed in shopping areas and the like, where they
readily blend in with the usual shops and services. And they are there
for people who need a quick, cheap and convenient snack - a service
which my family and I have appreciated on many occasions.
Also, the food they sell is essentially and recognisably English. Their
products are mainly big sandwiches (invented by Lord Sandwich) and
potato chips (invented by the English) .They also offer such things as
apple pie (invented by the Anglo-Saxons).
MacDonalds is hardly an intrusion on the British way of life (unlike the
foul and evil smelling Indian establishments).
You problem (being a Marxist/Socialist) is that you hate the highly
successful and Capitalist USA (which was an English invention and which
is therefore and essentially based on English traditions and customs).
Recognise this and admit it. You would still be as mistaken as you are
but less confused.
regards, billy
*****************
billy
Cock Robin (aka White Negro),
you have not given an answer. Where are these models of harmonious and
"racially integrated" areas?
regards, billy
*********************
billy
Cock Robin (aka White Negro),
(See my other reply on this subject to you in this thread).
regards, billy
*****************
billy
"Robin Carmody" <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >
> > One always wishes to defend what one values. Seeing that you wish to
> > change Englishness into something "international" (whatever that
> > means)
>
> Englishness has always been international. It has always taken from
> worldwide influences, especially those we absorbed when we had the
Empire.
>
> you obviously do not value Englishness. And - no doubt - that is
> > why you express so much disdain regarding English history.
>
> A classic BIG LIE. I love England and English history. I just don't
come
> at it from the same perspective as you do.
>
> > Also: if you are "international" why are you so averse to
> > globalisation - which is about as "international" as you can get?
>
> Because globalisation, as defined by the multinationals, basically
means
> imposing one culture (mass Americanisation) over all others. I
support
> *real* globalisation, ie equality of cultures. The current
corporate-led
> globalisation won't give us that.
>
> > I think you are as confused as your partner in nonsense: Ivan the
Sly.
>
> Confused? This coming from the man who rants against "alien cultural
> influences" while praising McDonalds, admiring Elvis Presley and
> rock'n'roll, and claiming that America are "our best friends" in the
world?
> Ho, ho, ho ... hos to infinity and beyond and then some.
> Robin Carmody, Portland, Dorset
>
>
Cock Robin (aka White Negro),
Empire - which would not permit enough freedom and did not allow any
wealth creating enterprises to give people the choice of a McDonalds.
Also, without the Americans, we would now be witnessing the full force
of Islamic terrorism and the eventual take-over of Europe by the Imams.
And if any "culture" has to be "imposed" I would rather have the
American comforts, wealth and freedom of choice than the two
possibilities I mentioned.
You are one of those types who will not give up the comforts of the
"capitalist" West and go on about the "oil companies" and then - on the
first hint of a petrol shortage - complain like hell.
Sanctimonious, self-righteous hypocrites - all of you.
regards, billy
****************
billy
"Binky Dawkins" <bdaw...@thedrones.net> wrote in message
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>
> news:arob66$jl4$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
cultural
> > influences" while praising McDonalds, admiring Elvis Presley and
> > rock'n'roll, and claiming that America are "our best friends" in the
> world?
> > Ho, ho, ho ... hos to infinity and beyond and then some.
>
>
Binky,
Cock Robin's objection is essentially based on McDonalds being a
successful capitalist enterprise which provides a service many people
appreciate.
regards,
billy
***************
Robin Carmody
>
> Binky,
> Cock Robin's objection is essentially based on McDonalds being a
> successful capitalist enterprise which provides a service many people
> appreciate.
No, the fact of the matter is that it distracts from traditional British
culture, values and way of life. I always assumed you'd object to anything
that had these effects, but that was when I thought you had a consistent
bone in your body.
Robin Carmody
>
> Cock Robin (aka White Negro),
> if it had not been for the Americans, we would now be part of the Soviet
> Empire
No we wouldn't.
> Also, without the Americans, we would now be witnessing the full force
> of Islamic terrorism and the eventual take-over of Europe by the Imams.
No we wouldn't.
> And if any "culture" has to be "imposed" I would rather have the
> American comforts, wealth and freedom of choice than the two
> possibilities I mentioned.
Freedom of choice to destroy the England you supposedly love, of course
(hmmm ... like shooting fish in a barrel).
Robin Carmody
>
> by what distortion of logic could McDonalds ever be considered as evil?
The logic of someone who didn't want new influences removing us from our
traditional culture, of course. You know, someone like you think you are
...
Robin Carmody
>
> you have not given an answer. Where are these models of harmonious and
> "racially integrated" areas?
Most of urban Britain. Leicester is a good example.
Robin Carmody
>
> I know of cases where Baptist and Methodist churches have been replaced
> (converted into) mosques; but I know of *no* cases where a McDonalds
> have replaced a church.
I was just sending up your absurd inconsistency.
Nor do I know where Elvis Presley records are
> loudly broadcast over a town to attract people into anything.
But you like his music, don't you? In his day he was widely condemned by
people like you as a "White Negro". Now what do you call me again ...?
> McDonald services are placed in shopping areas and the like, where they
> readily blend in with the usual shops and services. And they are there
> for people who need a quick, cheap and convenient snack - a service
> which my family and I have appreciated on many occasions.
Then you obviously have bloody awful taste in food, as well as everything
else ...
> Also, the food they sell is essentially and recognisably English.
Like hell it is. It is American convenience culture, as defined under
Eisenhower (1953-61) when Britain was still a slow-moving, traditionalist
society. Not remotely English at all.
Their
> products are mainly big sandwiches (invented by Lord Sandwich) and
> potato chips (invented by the English) .They also offer such things as
> apple pie (invented by the Anglo-Saxons).
Clutching at straws. It basically represents the Americanisation of the
world. It is no friend of England.
> MacDonalds is hardly an intrusion on the British way of life
Then you obviously do not understand what the British way of life was even
in the 1970s, let alone the 1950s.
(unlike the
> foul and evil smelling Indian establishments).
McDonalds is foul and evil smelling enough to me - it's reason enough why I
never go near one ...
> You problem (being a Marxist/Socialist) is that you hate the highly
> successful and Capitalist USA (which was an English invention and which
> is therefore and essentially based on English traditions and customs).
No it isn't. The English influence on the modern USA is increasingly
marginal. Like Robert "England is the USA so England is the modern world"
Henderson, you greatly underestimate the influence that many other cultures
had on the formation of the US, which is essentially the ultimate
multicultural society, and underplay the extent to which the Americanisation
of British society has created a more self-assertive, individualistic,
aggressive psyche quite alien to what you once called "the genetic
temperament of a proper English person". I don't often agree with
Jackkincaid, but he was spot on when he said that the US is everything
people like you affect to despise about modern Britain. There are more
black people in the USA than there are people in Britain, after all.
> Recognise this and admit it.
I will never "admit" that the modern USA is "traditionally English", because
it isn't.
I might post that Matthew Parris article again if you go on like this,
Binky Dawkins
> billy <jo...@billy100DELETETHISBITfreeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:artmds$i7s$2...@sparta.btinternet.com...
> >
> > you have not given an answer. Where are these models of harmonious and
> > "racially integrated" areas?
>
> Most of urban Britain. Leicester is a good example.
Certainly Leicester has fewer problems with anti-white racism than most
urban areas, possibly because there are few muslims there. Leicester,
believe it or not, is the second largest hindu city outside of India.
Mike Hide
"Robin Carmody" <ro...@elidor.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Do you suppose that Portland being the closest thing to France in the south
east and the fact that, where borstal is that the thinking of people in
that area have twisted reasoning powers .Isnt that the place where you are
not supposed to say the word rabbit, bad luck or summat, heck they even say
chesil beach appeared overnight...what more is there to say except thats
where Robin hails from.....mjh
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
Re-read what you typed. Do you think you sound any more intelligent and
rational than the right-wing 'thugs' you despise?
--
Baroness Edwina Frogbucket
Robin Carmody
>
> 1. The BNP have just won a seat in Blackburn. Not many CA supporters
> there I reckon; nor in Stoke, Burnley, Oldham, Lewisham or in the
> other places they have been doing so well in recently. In fact, their
> greatest support tends to be in areas where CA supporters are pretty
> thin on the ground.
I know that. My point was that the BNP *may* now be exploiting the
aggressively defensive, protectionist ruralist movement promoted by
the CA as a starting point towards their first major assault on the
shires since their ill-fated attempt to win votes in places like York,
Worcester and Bournemouth in 1983. There may be nothing to it, but I
can sense a certain self-confidence within the BNP at the moment, and
they have made a great play of their rural policy, supporting organic
farming for all the wrong reasons (the dubious "authenticity" rhetoric
of Prince Charles and Robin Page) but appropriating slogans and
rhetoric from the environmentalist left to do so. George Monbiot
recently related his horror that the BNP website cited some of his
rhetoric about how the land should be treated.
Just because the BNP have concentrated on exploiting racial tensions
in the smaller Northern towns does not mean that they don't have wider
ambitions. They must be nipped in the bud in everything they try to
do, if we are to remain a civilised country politically.
> 2. You have not actually produced any evidence to show that there are
> "disturbing links" between the BNP and the CA; probably because there
> aren't any.
Far-right groups attempted to drum up support at the Countryside March
in London, because they sensed some level of sympathy for their
worldview, and because it fitted with their vision of the countryside
as a place to avoid all the things they hate about modern Britain.
This is detailed on the (UK) Freedom Party's website. Moreover the
ultra-right-wing breakaway Conservative Democratic Alliance runs a
long article on its website praising the CA's rally, which
hypocritically praises the marchers for supposedly avoiding tendencies
that were mainly introduced into Britain as a result of Thatcherism
(and, in one case, Macmillan).
> 3. Most National Socialist organisations have tended to take a very
> sentimental line towards animal rights. Hitler, for example, banned
> both vivisection and hunting.
I know that; it is just that the British far-right will appropriate
any movement with a false, narrow idea of an all-white society, and
try to drum up support among the followers of that movement. The fact
that this is ostensibly a pro-hunting movement is irrelevant, and
anyway IIRC the BNP supports hunting because they "believe in the
defence of British countryside and traditions blah blah blah ..."
> Quite likely, many CA members dislike mass immigration into the UK.
> So do most of the population of this country. Not in itself evidence
> that Dorchester is a hotbed of BNP support.
I never said it was; just that it contains certain right-wing ruralist
tendencies that the BNP feel they can exploit and pick up on.