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The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 8:59:05 AM11/19/12
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Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
I suppose if Abu Hamza said that, it would be portrayed as support for
our country's enemies. But the government of Israel has again showed
itself to be both stupid (because its actions cannot possibly bring
about a peaceful resolution of the dispute) and barbaric (killing
unarmed civilians as a way of trying to regain control).
This piece is well worth a read, as an antidote to the misinformation
put out by the Israeli embassy and Melanie Phillips.
Quote
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/18/we-in-gaza-right-to-defend?INTCMP=SRCH
The latest Israeli aggression on the Gaza Strip has prompted several
European countries and the US to reaffirm their position of unwavering
support for the aggressor. William Hague, Britain's foreign secretary,
Cathy Ashton, the EU high representative for foreign affairs, and Barack
Obama, have all claimed that Hamas's rockets were responsible for the
crisis and that it is the right of Israel to defend its citizens. Had
they checked the facts, they would have realised Israel started the
attacks. The escalation started when an Israeli military incursion into
Gaza on 8 November killed a Palestinian child. That was followed by
other Israeli incursions and attacks, provoking a response by
Palestinian factions.
Despite that, there were serious efforts to calm the situation and reach
a truce. But clearly Israel had another agenda. By targeting Ahmed
al-Jabari, leader of the al-Qassam Brigade, it sabotaged Egyptian
efforts to conclude a truce between all Palestinian factions and the
Israelis. This was confirmed by Egypt's president on Saturday.
With the approach of the Israeli elections, the Israeli prime minister,
Binyamin Netanyahu, wanted to trade with the blood of the Palestinians,
especially after his alliance with the ultra-extremist Avigdor Lieberman
failed to boost his popularity in the polls as he'd expected. This is
not the first time the Israelis have launched a war for electoral gain.
snip
The human rights that Europe claims to defend all over the world are
denied to the Palestinian people. European governments have done nothing
while 1.7 million Gazans have been subjected for the past five years to
an Israeli blockade – denying them food, water, medicine and even
determining how many calories they should be allowed each day.
The right of people to resist occupation and confront aggression is
guaranteed to all peoples; but if Palestinians seek to exercise this
right it immediately becomes terrorism and for this they must be persecuted.
The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza
war. Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three
Israeli deaths. In the last few days more than 700 Palestinians have
been killed or injured – more than half of them women or children.
Yesterday 12 people from same family were massacred.
government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
I suppose if Abu Hamza said that, it would be portrayed as support for
our country's enemies. But the government of Israel has again showed
itself to be both stupid (because its actions cannot possibly bring
about a peaceful resolution of the dispute) and barbaric (killing
unarmed civilians as a way of trying to regain control).
This piece is well worth a read, as an antidote to the misinformation
put out by the Israeli embassy and Melanie Phillips.
Quote
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/18/we-in-gaza-right-to-defend?INTCMP=SRCH
The latest Israeli aggression on the Gaza Strip has prompted several
European countries and the US to reaffirm their position of unwavering
support for the aggressor. William Hague, Britain's foreign secretary,
Cathy Ashton, the EU high representative for foreign affairs, and Barack
Obama, have all claimed that Hamas's rockets were responsible for the
crisis and that it is the right of Israel to defend its citizens. Had
they checked the facts, they would have realised Israel started the
attacks. The escalation started when an Israeli military incursion into
Gaza on 8 November killed a Palestinian child. That was followed by
other Israeli incursions and attacks, provoking a response by
Palestinian factions.
Despite that, there were serious efforts to calm the situation and reach
a truce. But clearly Israel had another agenda. By targeting Ahmed
al-Jabari, leader of the al-Qassam Brigade, it sabotaged Egyptian
efforts to conclude a truce between all Palestinian factions and the
Israelis. This was confirmed by Egypt's president on Saturday.
With the approach of the Israeli elections, the Israeli prime minister,
Binyamin Netanyahu, wanted to trade with the blood of the Palestinians,
especially after his alliance with the ultra-extremist Avigdor Lieberman
failed to boost his popularity in the polls as he'd expected. This is
not the first time the Israelis have launched a war for electoral gain.
snip
The human rights that Europe claims to defend all over the world are
denied to the Palestinian people. European governments have done nothing
while 1.7 million Gazans have been subjected for the past five years to
an Israeli blockade – denying them food, water, medicine and even
determining how many calories they should be allowed each day.
The right of people to resist occupation and confront aggression is
guaranteed to all peoples; but if Palestinians seek to exercise this
right it immediately becomes terrorism and for this they must be persecuted.
The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza
war. Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three
Israeli deaths. In the last few days more than 700 Palestinians have
been killed or injured – more than half of them women or children.
Yesterday 12 people from same family were massacred.
Fredxx
Nov 19, 2012, 9:15:57 AM11/19/12
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On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
into Israel, your post might then have some value.
Until then you sound like a blinkered Palestinian, bent on destroying
Israel.
It's more likely that the USA will invade Gaza to remove rockets and
other weaponry likely to be directed at Israel.
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 19, 2012, 9:18:33 AM11/19/12
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"The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
news:agus99...@mid.individual.net...
> The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza war.
> Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three Israeli
> deaths.
What would the figures be without the Israeli Iron Dome defence system?
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 9:32:49 AM11/19/12
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On 19/11/12 14:15, Fredxx wrote:
> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>
> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on
> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>
> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
civilian populations. It's morally equivalent to attacking the Warsaw
Ghetto.
>
> Until then you sound like a blinkered Palestinian, bent on destroying
> Israel.
complement of nuclear weapons. Then it will be able to impose some
discipline on the errant government of Israel.
>
> It's more likely that the USA will invade Gaza to remove rockets and
> other weaponry likely to be directed at Israel.
but they are searching for a diplomatic way of saying so.
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 9:34:25 AM11/19/12
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On 19/11/12 14:18, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>
> "The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
> news:agus99...@mid.individual.net...
>
>> The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza
>> war. Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three
>> Israeli deaths.
>
> And how many missiles have been fired from either side?
Fired by the civilians in Gaza: none.
>
> "The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
> news:agus99...@mid.individual.net...
>
>> The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza
>> war. Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three
>> Israeli deaths.
>
> And how many missiles have been fired from either side?
Fired by the state of Israel: numerous.
>
> What would the figures be without the Israeli Iron Dome defence system?
casualties in Tel Aviv and other populated areas, the Israeli government
will never see sense.
Richard McKenzie
Nov 19, 2012, 9:41:08 AM11/19/12
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If rockets are being fired from the top of houses and hospitals
and the Hamas government do nothing to stop this what would you
suggest they
do?
sutartsorric
Nov 19, 2012, 9:44:23 AM11/19/12
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I hear the moon is quite empty at this time of year.
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 9:46:19 AM11/19/12
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wasn't so long ago that people can have forgotten.
Message has been deleted
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 10:40:05 AM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:34:25 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net>
wrote:
>I hope they enjoy wearing their tin hat, but until they have more
>casualties in Tel Aviv and other populated areas, the Israeli government
>will never see sense.
'sense' being just to put up with the arab savages...
wrote:
>I hope they enjoy wearing their tin hat, but until they have more
>casualties in Tel Aviv and other populated areas, the Israeli government
>will never see sense.
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 10:58:50 AM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:15:57 +0000, Fredxx <fre...@nospam.com> wrote:
>On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>
>If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>
>Until then you sound like a blinkered Palestinian, bent on destroying
>Israel.
which seems to be about what he is
>On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>
>If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>
>Until then you sound like a blinkered Palestinian, bent on destroying
>Israel.
JNugent
Nov 19, 2012, 11:01:07 AM11/19/12
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On 19/11/2012 14:32, The Todal wrote:
> On 19/11/12 14:15, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>
>> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>
> There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on civilian
> populations. It's morally equivalent to attacking the Warsaw Ghetto.
Do think that Hamas bombarding civilians in Israel is acceptable?
> On 19/11/12 14:15, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>
>> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>
> There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on civilian
> populations. It's morally equivalent to attacking the Warsaw Ghetto.
knownunknowns
Nov 19, 2012, 11:02:57 AM11/19/12
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On Monday, November 19, 2012 2:16:05 PM UTC, Fredxx wrote:
> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>
> > Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>
> > government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
The targeted killings (assassinations) didn't start with the military head of Hamas, it's been going on for months. A timeline of events proves just as in the 2008/2009 Israeli killfest the rockets are again a bogus excuse.
> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>
> > Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>
> > government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>
> Until then you sound like a blinkered Palestinian, bent on destroying
>
> Israel.
>
http://lizaswelt2010.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/israel-palestine-ii.jpg?w=610
>
> It's more likely that the USA will invade Gaza to remove rockets and
>
> other weaponry likely to be directed at Israel.
Didn't you know the 'iron dome' is supplied by the US? Ever heard about the $3 billion given annually to the Israel by the US?
> It's more likely that the USA will invade Gaza to remove rockets and
>
> other weaponry likely to be directed at Israel.
GB
Nov 19, 2012, 11:34:57 AM11/19/12
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or hospitals. Also, 20,000 French civilians were killed in the 10 weeks
following D-Day.
Ferd Berfle
Nov 19, 2012, 11:54:34 AM11/19/12
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These are just @ThePeoplesCube Tweets, there are many great ones made by
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Honk if you've been followed by the same helicopter for the last 10 minutes
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My other car is a bomb
80 percent of success is just blowing up
Baby suicide bomber on board
This is your brain. This is your brain on upholstery.
Kill, baby, kill
What car bomb would Mohammed drive?
Driver carries no cash, he's about to be vaporized
"Palestinian rebels" sounds nicer than "Mob of Jew-hating murderous baby
killers"
It'll be a great day when terrorists have all the money for bombs and Israel
has to hold a bake sale to build a school.
Final solutions for a small planet
Wherever I go, there you are. Shrapnel #5. Inevitable.
Some of our best women are men
Funny name. Serious damage.
We put the "ass" in "assassin"
Do the Jew
Arab by birth. Murderer by choice.
Say it with explosives
Look, Ma, no infidels!
If you want to capture someone�s attention, use shrapnel
The antidote for civilization
Please don't squeeze the Charge
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I'd walk a mile for a camel
Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be Jihadis
Life�s messy, blow it up!
You�re in good hands with Allah
Support Habitat for Hamas!
GET INVOLVED... The world is run by those who blow up
Prophet before people!
Bombs not books
Does this suicide vest make my ass look fat?
Blowout Sale! Free Palestine with every purchase of explosives, wires, and
detonators!
Kids... They blow up so fast!
Suicide is sexy
Practice random acts of violence
Got vaporized?
I'd rather be beheading infidels
If you think war with Hamas is deadly, try peace.
Support your local terrorist training camp
Obama 2012: Bold leadership for a stronger Caliphate
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If your wife and daughters can't,
thank a mullah.
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Give me liberty or....................nah, just give me death
We buy safe houses, any condition
Question Palestinian Authority
Peace is not the answer... Say no to peace... Peace never solved anything
Guns don't kill people. We do.
Palestine is a convenient cause, not a place
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in hijab and carrying the
Koran
Proud Savage
Caution: driver may be offended by just about anything
~
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/hamas-bumper-stickers-on-twitter-started-by-thepeoplescube-t10044.html
These are just @ThePeoplesCube Tweets, there are many great ones made by
others too.
Honk if you've been followed by the same helicopter for the last 10 minutes
If you can read this, you're about to be blown up, too
I just lost 200 lbs instantly - ask me how
My other car is a bomb
80 percent of success is just blowing up
Baby suicide bomber on board
This is your brain. This is your brain on upholstery.
Kill, baby, kill
What car bomb would Mohammed drive?
Driver carries no cash, he's about to be vaporized
"Palestinian rebels" sounds nicer than "Mob of Jew-hating murderous baby
killers"
It'll be a great day when terrorists have all the money for bombs and Israel
has to hold a bake sale to build a school.
Final solutions for a small planet
Wherever I go, there you are. Shrapnel #5. Inevitable.
Some of our best women are men
Funny name. Serious damage.
We put the "ass" in "assassin"
Do the Jew
Arab by birth. Murderer by choice.
Say it with explosives
Look, Ma, no infidels!
If you want to capture someone�s attention, use shrapnel
The antidote for civilization
Please don't squeeze the Charge
We hate Jews more than we love our children
I'd walk a mile for a camel
Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be Jihadis
Life�s messy, blow it up!
You�re in good hands with Allah
Support Habitat for Hamas!
GET INVOLVED... The world is run by those who blow up
Prophet before people!
Bombs not books
Does this suicide vest make my ass look fat?
Blowout Sale! Free Palestine with every purchase of explosives, wires, and
detonators!
Kids... They blow up so fast!
Suicide is sexy
Practice random acts of violence
Got vaporized?
I'd rather be beheading infidels
If you think war with Hamas is deadly, try peace.
Support your local terrorist training camp
Obama 2012: Bold leadership for a stronger Caliphate
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If your wife and daughters can't,
thank a mullah.
Hamas Chevy: Like a Rock, Only Dumber.
Give me liberty or....................nah, just give me death
We buy safe houses, any condition
Question Palestinian Authority
Peace is not the answer... Say no to peace... Peace never solved anything
Guns don't kill people. We do.
Palestine is a convenient cause, not a place
When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in hijab and carrying the
Koran
Proud Savage
Caution: driver may be offended by just about anything
~
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/hamas-bumper-stickers-on-twitter-started-by-thepeoplescube-t10044.html
DVH
Nov 19, 2012, 12:06:57 PM11/19/12
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On 19/11/2012 14:32, The Todal wrote:
> On 19/11/12 14:15, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>>
>> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>
> There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on
> civilian populations.
The attacks are becoming more and more accurately targeted against the
>> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>>
>> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>
> There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on
> civilian populations.
folk sending the missiles.
Indiscriminate doesn't seem to come into it. There are attacks that hit
military targets, there are attacks that hit military targets and cause
civilian collateral deaths/injuries, and there may be attacks that go
completely astray.
I haven't seen evidence that anybody is targeting civilian populations.
Have you?
> It's morally equivalent to attacking the Warsaw
> Ghetto.
>
>>
>> Until then you sound like a blinkered Palestinian, bent on destroying
>> Israel.
>
> I look forward to the day when Iran announces that it has a full
> complement of nuclear weapons.
hands of brutal theocrats dedicated to expanding their power.
> Then it will be able to impose some
> discipline on the errant government of Israel.
>
>
>>
>> It's more likely that the USA will invade Gaza to remove rockets and
>> other weaponry likely to be directed at Israel.
>
> Dream on. The democrats know perfectly well that Israel is in the wrong,
> but they are searching for a diplomatic way of saying so.
>
undiplomatic?
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 12:10:17 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:06:57 +0000, DVH <d...@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
>On 19/11/2012 14:32, The Todal wrote:
>> On 19/11/12 14:15, Fredxx wrote:
>>> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>>>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>>>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>>>
>>> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>>> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>>
>> There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on
>> civilian populations.
>
>The attacks are becoming more and more accurately targeted against the
>folk sending the missiles.
>
>Indiscriminate doesn't seem to come into it. There are attacks that hit
>military targets, there are attacks that hit military targets and cause
>civilian collateral deaths/injuries, and there may be attacks that go
>completely astray.
>
>I haven't seen evidence that anybody is targeting civilian populations.
>Have you?
yes...arabs...
>On 19/11/2012 14:32, The Todal wrote:
>> On 19/11/12 14:15, Fredxx wrote:
>>> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>>>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>>>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>>>
>>> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>>> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>>
>> There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on
>> civilian populations.
>
>The attacks are becoming more and more accurately targeted against the
>folk sending the missiles.
>
>Indiscriminate doesn't seem to come into it. There are attacks that hit
>military targets, there are attacks that hit military targets and cause
>civilian collateral deaths/injuries, and there may be attacks that go
>completely astray.
>
>I haven't seen evidence that anybody is targeting civilian populations.
>Have you?
DVH
Nov 19, 2012, 12:13:33 PM11/19/12
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thing off.
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The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 12:15:12 PM11/19/12
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another sovereign nation.
The appropriate analogy here is dealing with the IRA. They blow up our
people, and we don't retaliate by shelling Londonderry.
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 12:15:29 PM11/19/12
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Peter Turtill
Nov 19, 2012, 12:18:26 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:13:45 +0000, Kim Bolton <nos...@all.invalid>
wrote:
>
>The Todal wrote:
>
>>I look forward to the day when Iran announces that it has a full
>>complement of nuclear weapons.
>
>That may well be the day that State of Iran ceases to function.
I watched the French and Israelis destroy the reactor in Iraq. Believe
me if the Israelites want to destroy the Iranian reactor they will.
pete
wrote:
>
>The Todal wrote:
>
>>I look forward to the day when Iran announces that it has a full
>>complement of nuclear weapons.
>
>
>> Then it will be able to impose some
>>discipline on the errant government of Israel.
>
>By being errant? PKB.
>> Then it will be able to impose some
>>discipline on the errant government of Israel.
>
I watched the French and Israelis destroy the reactor in Iraq. Believe
me if the Israelites want to destroy the Iranian reactor they will.
pete
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abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 12:26:14 PM11/19/12
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The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 12:26:36 PM11/19/12
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On 19/11/12 17:20, Kim Bolton wrote:
>
> Fired by the civilians in Israel: none.
>
> Fired by the ruling political party in Gaza: numerous.
>
That's fair enough, yes. If Israel could confine its violence to the
terrorists in Gaza who fire the missiles, and not the Hamas civil
servants and police, still less the ordinary civilians, then Israel
could claim to be a civilised country rather than a barbarian country.
Those Statistics In Full
Israeli deaths : 3
Palestinian deaths: 95 (including a large number of children)
According to the IDF, the death toll in the coastal territory since the
operation began has reached 95 people, one-third of them uninvolved in
the conflict. [Source: Haaretz, in Israel]
>
> The Todal wrote:
>
>> On 19/11/12 14:18, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>>>
>>> "The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>>> news:agus99...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>> The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza
>>>> war. Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three
>>>> Israeli deaths.
>>>
>>> And how many missiles have been fired from either side?
>>
>> Fired by the civilians in Gaza: none.
>>
>> Fired by the state of Israel: numerous.
>
> I'll add the bits that were missed off:
> The Todal wrote:
>
>> On 19/11/12 14:18, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>>>
>>> "The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>>> news:agus99...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>> The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza
>>>> war. Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three
>>>> Israeli deaths.
>>>
>>> And how many missiles have been fired from either side?
>>
>> Fired by the civilians in Gaza: none.
>>
>> Fired by the state of Israel: numerous.
>
>
> Fired by the civilians in Israel: none.
>
> Fired by the ruling political party in Gaza: numerous.
>
That's fair enough, yes. If Israel could confine its violence to the
terrorists in Gaza who fire the missiles, and not the Hamas civil
servants and police, still less the ordinary civilians, then Israel
could claim to be a civilised country rather than a barbarian country.
Those Statistics In Full
Israeli deaths : 3
Palestinian deaths: 95 (including a large number of children)
According to the IDF, the death toll in the coastal territory since the
operation began has reached 95 people, one-third of them uninvolved in
the conflict. [Source: Haaretz, in Israel]
Bert
Nov 19, 2012, 12:30:27 PM11/19/12
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In news:aguubh...@mid.individual.net The Todal
Unless you're claiming that the rockets are being fired by a legitimate
armed force of the legitimate government of Gaza, they're all fired by
civilians.
Of course, that's assuming that there actually is a legitimate
government in Gaza.
> I hope they enjoy wearing their tin hat, but until they have more
> casualties in Tel Aviv and other populated areas, the Israeli
> government will never see sense.
Hoping for more Israeli casualties?
Now, that's interesting.
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
Unless you're claiming that the rockets are being fired by a legitimate
armed force of the legitimate government of Gaza, they're all fired by
civilians.
Of course, that's assuming that there actually is a legitimate
government in Gaza.
> I hope they enjoy wearing their tin hat, but until they have more
> casualties in Tel Aviv and other populated areas, the Israeli
> government will never see sense.
Now, that's interesting.
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
DVH
Nov 19, 2012, 12:31:08 PM11/19/12
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you see on guy fawkes night. It would sting a little to be hit by one,
but the Israelis reallly need to man up.
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 12:32:20 PM11/19/12
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have landed in....
gaza??
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 12:32:34 PM11/19/12
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On 19/11/12 17:21, Kim Bolton wrote:
> Oh, I know. I was merely using Todal's logic against him.
>
You remind me of the gormless people who chortled about how the Taliban
were going to be annihilated by America's fantastic array of ships,
aircraft and helicopters. And cruise missiles. We were going to kick
Afghanistan's butt and destroy the terrorist subversive islamist insurgents.
Didn't happen that way, though. Instead, thousands of American troops
went home with missing limbs. After the fantastic shock and awe firework
displays in Baghdad and in Afghanistan, they still couldn't win a war.
Israel is currently shelling a large civilian people who live in a
concentration camp from which they cannot escape. Gaza is not an
independent sovereign country and it has no army, navy or air force.
>
You remind me of the gormless people who chortled about how the Taliban
were going to be annihilated by America's fantastic array of ships,
aircraft and helicopters. And cruise missiles. We were going to kick
Afghanistan's butt and destroy the terrorist subversive islamist insurgents.
Didn't happen that way, though. Instead, thousands of American troops
went home with missing limbs. After the fantastic shock and awe firework
displays in Baghdad and in Afghanistan, they still couldn't win a war.
Israel is currently shelling a large civilian people who live in a
concentration camp from which they cannot escape. Gaza is not an
independent sovereign country and it has no army, navy or air force.
DVH
Nov 19, 2012, 12:35:27 PM11/19/12
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world's eyes to the slaughter.
If you were a marketer, you'd call it a loss leader.
GB
Nov 19, 2012, 12:35:37 PM11/19/12
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On 19/11/2012 17:15, The Todal wrote:
> The appropriate analogy here is dealing with the IRA. They blow up our
> people, and we don't retaliate by shelling Londonderry.
>
My memory must be hazy, but I don't recall that the government of
> The appropriate analogy here is dealing with the IRA. They blow up our
> people, and we don't retaliate by shelling Londonderry.
>
Londonderry supported the IRA or said that the UK should be wiped from
the map?
Apart from that, the Israelis are clearly targeting the militants. I
agree that the collateral civilian deaths are frightful, but the
Palestinian militants are clearly targeting Israeli civilians.
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 12:38:09 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:32:34 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net>
wrote:
>Israel is currently shelling a large civilian people who live in a
>concentration camp from which they cannot escape. Gaza is not an
>independent sovereign country and it has no army, navy or air force.
what do you believe this is? a football match?
wrote:
>Israel is currently shelling a large civilian people who live in a
>concentration camp from which they cannot escape. Gaza is not an
>independent sovereign country and it has no army, navy or air force.
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 12:41:14 PM11/19/12
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for you. Let me know if you need any other help. Just to summarise,
there are no opportunities here for you to get drunk, start a fight with
rival supporters and piss in the gardens of nearby houses.
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 12:42:42 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:41:14 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net>
wrote:
>On 19/11/12 17:38, abelard wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:32:34 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Israel is currently shelling a large civilian people who live in a
>>> concentration camp from which they cannot escape. Gaza is not an
>>> independent sovereign country and it has no army, navy or air force.
>>
>> what do you believe this is? a football match?
>>
>
>No, it's a massacre perpetrated by the Israelis.
obviously they're not very good at it
>On 19/11/12 17:38, abelard wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:32:34 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Israel is currently shelling a large civilian people who live in a
>>> concentration camp from which they cannot escape. Gaza is not an
>>> independent sovereign country and it has no army, navy or air force.
>>
>> what do you believe this is? a football match?
>>
>
>No, it's a massacre perpetrated by the Israelis.
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 19, 2012, 12:42:43 PM11/19/12
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For so many Israeli missiles to be launched yet so few civilian casualties,
suggests a very precise operation. Any moral regime would ensure that its
civilians are situated well away from military targets if there is a risk of
incoming fire, not hide weapons in houses and fire rockets from hospitals.
Or maybe not fire them at Israel and invite retaliation in the first place.
I'll ask again, how many missiles have been fired from Gaza at Israel?
> On 19/11/12 14:18, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>>
>> "The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>> news:agus99...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>> The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza
>>> war. Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three
>>> Israeli deaths.
>>
>> And how many missiles have been fired from either side?
>
>>
>> "The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>> news:agus99...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>> The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza
>>> war. Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three
>>> Israeli deaths.
>>
>> And how many missiles have been fired from either side?
>
> Fired by the civilians in Gaza: none.
>
>
> Fired by the state of Israel: numerous.
Missiles fired at Gazan civilians by Israel: none.
For so many Israeli missiles to be launched yet so few civilian casualties,
suggests a very precise operation. Any moral regime would ensure that its
civilians are situated well away from military targets if there is a risk of
incoming fire, not hide weapons in houses and fire rockets from hospitals.
Or maybe not fire them at Israel and invite retaliation in the first place.
I'll ask again, how many missiles have been fired from Gaza at Israel?
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 19, 2012, 12:45:04 PM11/19/12
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So you could have entitled your post "Hamas continues to kill civilians",
couldn't you?
couldn't you?
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abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 12:47:14 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:42:43 -0000, "Mentalguy2k8"
<Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>"The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>news:aguubh...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 19/11/12 14:18, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>>>
>>> "The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>>> news:agus99...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>> The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza
>>>> war. Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three
>>>> Israeli deaths.
>>>
>>> And how many missiles have been fired from either side?
>>
>> Fired by the civilians in Gaza: none.
>>
>> Fired by the state of Israel: numerous.
>
>Missiles fired at Gazan civilians by Israel: none.
>
>For so many Israeli missiles to be launched yet so few civilian casualties,
>suggests a very precise operation. Any moral regime would ensure that its
>civilians are situated well away from military targets if there is a risk of
>incoming fire,
it is a central part of the arab mafiosi to cause as many
<Mental...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>"The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>news:aguubh...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 19/11/12 14:18, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>>>
>>> "The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>>> news:agus99...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>> The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza
>>>> war. Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three
>>>> Israeli deaths.
>>>
>>> And how many missiles have been fired from either side?
>>
>> Fired by the civilians in Gaza: none.
>>
>> Fired by the state of Israel: numerous.
>
>Missiles fired at Gazan civilians by Israel: none.
>
>For so many Israeli missiles to be launched yet so few civilian casualties,
>suggests a very precise operation. Any moral regime would ensure that its
>civilians are situated well away from military targets if there is a risk of
>incoming fire,
civilian casualties as possible...
they have camera crews on hand to emphasise their success...
they even do a bit of amateur dramatics to enhance the play
without casualties, how could they enlist the support of idiots...
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 19, 2012, 12:47:41 PM11/19/12
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The IRA weren't firing rockets onto our civilians from Londonderry.
GB
Nov 19, 2012, 12:48:05 PM11/19/12
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On 19/11/2012 17:32, The Todal wrote:
> Israel is currently shelling a large civilian people who live in a
> concentration camp from which they cannot escape.
If a large body of refugees were displaced by fighting in Europe, surely
> Israel is currently shelling a large civilian people who live in a
> concentration camp from which they cannot escape.
they would have been resettled within a year or two? Not still be living
in refugee camps over 60 years later.
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the Israeli War of Independence,
the surrounding Arab countries could easily have absorbed the resulting
refugees. If you want an outlet for your outrage about all this, I
suggest that you look at the people who heartlessly chose to keep the
refugees cooped up in refugee camps for the last 60 years, purely for
political reasons.
> Gaza is not an
> independent sovereign country and it has no army, navy or air force.
responsible for firing the missiles, and it apparently has 15,000 troops
(or whatever you want to call them).
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 19, 2012, 12:48:33 PM11/19/12
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Nov 19, 2012, 12:49:42 PM11/19/12
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reasons for tweaking the dragon's tail.
DVH
Nov 19, 2012, 12:51:19 PM11/19/12
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On 19/11/2012 17:46, Ishvara wrote:
> occupying a country to which they have no legal rights. Almost all are
> in addition liable to "military service" for a regime which they have
> collectively chosen, and are therefore legitimate targets as individuals.
>
> "Israelis" are as legitimate targets as were German military forces in
> occupied France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc.
>
> If "Israelis" don't wish to be the targets of retribution, they should
> start to behave like people worthy of being called "human" and leave the
> land in which they are squatting.
As usual, you suggest a solution that has no chance of ever becoming
reality.
> On 2012-11-19 17:30, Bert wrote:
>> Hoping for more Israeli casualties?
>
> They are not "Israelis". They are autocratic terrorist extremists
>> Hoping for more Israeli casualties?
>
> occupying a country to which they have no legal rights. Almost all are
> in addition liable to "military service" for a regime which they have
> collectively chosen, and are therefore legitimate targets as individuals.
>
> "Israelis" are as legitimate targets as were German military forces in
> occupied France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, etc.
>
> If "Israelis" don't wish to be the targets of retribution, they should
> start to behave like people worthy of being called "human" and leave the
> land in which they are squatting.
As usual, you suggest a solution that has no chance of ever becoming
reality.
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 19, 2012, 12:52:47 PM11/19/12
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Seems a bit silly of them to fire hundreds of rockets at countries who *do*,
then.
then.
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 12:53:15 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:49:38 +0000, Ishvara <ish...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>On 2012-11-19 17:41, The Todal wrote:
>> On 19/11/12 17:38, abelard wrote:
>>> what do you believe this is? a football match?
>>>
>> No, it's a massacre perpetrated by the Israelis.
>
>Give credit where it's due: morally corrupt, mentally retarded American
>rednecks are responsible, too.
while you are irresponsible...
what are you hiding ishi?
wrote:
>On 2012-11-19 17:41, The Todal wrote:
>> On 19/11/12 17:38, abelard wrote:
>>> what do you believe this is? a football match?
>>>
>> No, it's a massacre perpetrated by the Israelis.
>
>rednecks are responsible, too.
while you are irresponsible...
what are you hiding ishi?
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Harry Merrick
Nov 19, 2012, 1:00:59 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:32:49 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net>
>> Israel.
>> other weaponry likely to be directed at Israel.
>
>Dream on. The democrats know perfectly well that Israel is in the wrong,
>but they are searching for a diplomatic way of saying so.
Israel is most definitely NOT in the wrong. Hamas is. Hamas has been
directing rockets willy nilly at Israel ever since the last war.
Deliberate provocation, and also aimed at Israeli civilians including
children. Hamas "always" hides it's rockets and launchers and
ammunition behind the civilian houses, deliberately. Hamas are, after
all, merely terrorists. The inhabitants of Gaza have brought this all
down upon themselves. They voted for a terrorist government after all.
One reaps what one sows. The Israeli's have every right to protect
their citizens from unwarranted attack from Gaza, which is what has
happened. All your pseudo trendy lefty, super PC and liberal
protestations are ill-informed and inaccurate. Like the BBC, you are
highly biased and full of your own self importance and supercilious
sanctimonious judgmentalism.
Harry Merrick.
wrote:
>On 19/11/12 14:15, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>>
>> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>
>There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on
>On 19/11/12 14:15, Fredxx wrote:
>> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the rogue
>>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>>
>> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>
>There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on
>civilian populations. It's morally equivalent to attacking the Warsaw
>Ghetto.
>
>>
>> Until then you sound like a blinkered Palestinian, bent on destroying
>Ghetto.
>
>>
>> Israel.
>
>I look forward to the day when Iran announces that it has a full
>complement of nuclear weapons. Then it will be able to impose some
>I look forward to the day when Iran announces that it has a full
>discipline on the errant government of Israel.
>
>
>>
>> It's more likely that the USA will invade Gaza to remove rockets and
>
>
>>
>> other weaponry likely to be directed at Israel.
>
>Dream on. The democrats know perfectly well that Israel is in the wrong,
>but they are searching for a diplomatic way of saying so.
Israel is most definitely NOT in the wrong. Hamas is. Hamas has been
directing rockets willy nilly at Israel ever since the last war.
Deliberate provocation, and also aimed at Israeli civilians including
children. Hamas "always" hides it's rockets and launchers and
ammunition behind the civilian houses, deliberately. Hamas are, after
all, merely terrorists. The inhabitants of Gaza have brought this all
down upon themselves. They voted for a terrorist government after all.
One reaps what one sows. The Israeli's have every right to protect
their citizens from unwarranted attack from Gaza, which is what has
happened. All your pseudo trendy lefty, super PC and liberal
protestations are ill-informed and inaccurate. Like the BBC, you are
highly biased and full of your own self importance and supercilious
sanctimonious judgmentalism.
Harry Merrick.
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 19, 2012, 1:02:30 PM11/19/12
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They already seem to have fooled many people who are usually pretty
rational.
I'm beginning to wonder if the Jews are right when they complain about being
persecuted. The recent bout of anti-Israel sentiment seems to owe more to
their latent anti-Semitism than to their knowledge of the facts. Even the
BBC are now forced to report that the two sides are "firing missiles at each
other", even if they don't want to tell us what sparked off this latest
spat.
rational.
I'm beginning to wonder if the Jews are right when they complain about being
persecuted. The recent bout of anti-Israel sentiment seems to owe more to
their latent anti-Semitism than to their knowledge of the facts. Even the
BBC are now forced to report that the two sides are "firing missiles at each
other", even if they don't want to tell us what sparked off this latest
spat.
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Nov 19, 2012, 1:11:04 PM11/19/12
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The people of Israel face (and have historically faced) a far worse threat
of bombings, invasions and missiles than they pose to their "enemies".
It just so happens that they can afford to defend themselves and retaliate
in a bigger, better and far more efficient way. Good luck to them, and tough
shit on Hamas. They're obviously hoping for one of their fellow Arab nations
to jump in but they don't seem to want to.
sutartsorric
Nov 19, 2012, 1:16:49 PM11/19/12
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On Monday, November 19, 2012 6:01:04 PM UTC, Harry Merrick wrote:
>
> Israel is most definitely NOT in the wrong. Hamas is. Hamas has been
>
> directing rockets willy nilly at Israel ever since the last war.
>
> Deliberate provocation, and also aimed at Israeli civilians including
>
> children. Hamas "always" hides it's rockets and launchers and
>
> ammunition behind the civilian houses, deliberately. Hamas are, after
>
> all, merely terrorists. The inhabitants of Gaza have brought this all
>
> down upon themselves. They voted for a terrorist government after all.
>
> One reaps what one sows. The Israeli's have every right to protect
>
> their citizens from unwarranted attack from Gaza, which is what has
>
> happened. All your pseudo trendy lefty, super PC and liberal
>
> protestations are ill-informed and inaccurate. Like the BBC, you are
>
> highly biased and full of your own self importance and supercilious
>
> sanctimonious judgmentalism.
>
>
>
> Harry Merrick.
And that load of bollox is not biased?
>
> Israel is most definitely NOT in the wrong. Hamas is. Hamas has been
>
> directing rockets willy nilly at Israel ever since the last war.
>
> Deliberate provocation, and also aimed at Israeli civilians including
>
> children. Hamas "always" hides it's rockets and launchers and
>
> ammunition behind the civilian houses, deliberately. Hamas are, after
>
> all, merely terrorists. The inhabitants of Gaza have brought this all
>
> down upon themselves. They voted for a terrorist government after all.
>
> One reaps what one sows. The Israeli's have every right to protect
>
> their citizens from unwarranted attack from Gaza, which is what has
>
> happened. All your pseudo trendy lefty, super PC and liberal
>
> protestations are ill-informed and inaccurate. Like the BBC, you are
>
> highly biased and full of your own self importance and supercilious
>
> sanctimonious judgmentalism.
>
>
>
> Harry Merrick.
Just imagine if Hamas was sponging the billions of dollars per year in military aid (as well as the non-military loans which are never paid back) that Israel gets.
Then we would see a fair battle, and the bullies in Tel Aviv would soon be exposed as the cowards all bullies are secretly hiding.
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Nov 19, 2012, 1:20:57 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:18:17 +0000, Ishvara <ish...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>There is no "Israel". There is the part of Palestine which was seized
>and annexed by racist terrorists, and which remains occupied by their
>descendants and fellow-travellers.
are you lying deliberately or are you merely ignorant...?
wrote:
>There is no "Israel". There is the part of Palestine which was seized
>and annexed by racist terrorists, and which remains occupied by their
>descendants and fellow-travellers.
are you lying deliberately or are you merely ignorant...?
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 1:22:09 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:16:49 -0800 (PST), sutartsorric
<sutart...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>Just imagine if Hamas was sponging the billions of dollars per year in military aid
how much is hamas sponging suzy?
<sutart...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>Just imagine if Hamas was sponging the billions of dollars per year in military aid
DVH
Nov 19, 2012, 1:29:55 PM11/19/12
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I believe the UN is Gaza's biggest employer. Then there are all the
grants from the EU, and the military assistance from neighbouring states.
Of course, the charity is part of their problem. If they would only
*work* and make things and *trade*, the world would start paying
attention to their problems.
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 19, 2012, 1:30:09 PM11/19/12
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Missiles fired is missiles fired I'm afraid, whether they reach their target
or not.
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 1:30:39 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:02:57 -0800 (PST), knownunknowns
<andyc...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>Didn't you know the 'iron dome' is supplied by the US? Ever heard about the $3 billion given annually to the Israel by the US?
who developed iron dome?
<andyc...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>Didn't you know the 'iron dome' is supplied by the US? Ever heard about the $3 billion given annually to the Israel by the US?
who developed iron dome?
sutartsorric
Nov 19, 2012, 1:32:45 PM11/19/12
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abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 1:33:56 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:32:45 -0800 (PST), sutartsorric
<sutart...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, November 19, 2012 6:22:09 PM UTC, abelard wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:16:49 -0800 (PST), sutartsorric
>>
>> <sutart...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >Just imagine if Hamas was sponging the billions of dollars per year in military aid
>> how much is hamas sponging suzy?
>
>Never as much as scrounging Israel.
your inevitable evasion is noted
>On Monday, November 19, 2012 6:22:09 PM UTC, abelard wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:16:49 -0800 (PST), sutartsorric
>>
>> <sutart...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >Just imagine if Hamas was sponging the billions of dollars per year in military aid
>> how much is hamas sponging suzy?
>
>Never as much as scrounging Israel.
Fredxx
Nov 19, 2012, 2:21:07 PM11/19/12
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On 19/11/2012 17:32, The Todal wrote:
> On 19/11/12 17:21, Kim Bolton wrote:
>>
>> Peter Turtill <recent:tur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:13:45 +0000, Kim Bolton
>>> <nos...@all.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> By being errant? PKB.
>>>
>>> I watched the French and Israelis destroy the reactor in Iraq.
>>> Believe me if the Israelites want to destroy the Iranian reactor
>>> they will.
>>
>> Oh, I know. I was merely using Todal's logic against him.
>>
>
> You remind me of the gormless people who chortled about how the
> Taliban were going to be annihilated by America's fantastic array of
> ships, aircraft and helicopters. And cruise missiles. We were going
> to kick Afghanistan's butt and destroy the terrorist subversive
> islamist insurgents.
>
> Didn't happen that way, though. Instead, thousands of American troops
> went home with missing limbs. After the fantastic shock and awe
> firework displays in Baghdad and in Afghanistan, they still couldn't
> win a war.
>
> Israel is currently shelling a large civilian people who live in a
> concentration camp from which they cannot escape. Gaza is not an
> independent sovereign country and it has no army, navy or air force.
>
It has an elected government which is bent on sending missiles into Israel.
> On 19/11/12 17:21, Kim Bolton wrote:
>>
>> Peter Turtill <recent:tur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:13:45 +0000, Kim Bolton
>>> <nos...@all.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> By being errant? PKB.
>>>
>>> I watched the French and Israelis destroy the reactor in Iraq.
>>> Believe me if the Israelites want to destroy the Iranian reactor
>>> they will.
>>
>> Oh, I know. I was merely using Todal's logic against him.
>>
>
> You remind me of the gormless people who chortled about how the
> Taliban were going to be annihilated by America's fantastic array of
> ships, aircraft and helicopters. And cruise missiles. We were going
> to kick Afghanistan's butt and destroy the terrorist subversive
> islamist insurgents.
>
> Didn't happen that way, though. Instead, thousands of American troops
> went home with missing limbs. After the fantastic shock and awe
> firework displays in Baghdad and in Afghanistan, they still couldn't
> win a war.
>
> Israel is currently shelling a large civilian people who live in a
> concentration camp from which they cannot escape. Gaza is not an
> independent sovereign country and it has no army, navy or air force.
>
It really is immaterial whether Gaza has an army, navy or air force!!
If they didn't have missiles, life in Gaza would now be much easier.
Clearly, you cannot discern between sending rockets indiscriminately
into populated areas, or attacks on military areas occupied by cowards
surrounding themselves with civilians. Perhaps its purpose is so that
myopic criticism can be levelled at Israel?
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Nov 19, 2012, 2:33:26 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:30:24 +0000, Ishvara <ish...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>On 2012-11-19 19:21, Fredxx wrote:
>> It has an elected government which is bent on sending missiles into Israel.
>
>There is no "Israel", there is Occupied Palestine. If the occupiers
>don't want to be attacked, they should start behaving like creatures
>worthy of being called human, and learn to live the rightful inhabitants
>of the land they are squatting in. If they can't do that, they are
>entirely expendable.
>state by expansionist criminals. Every zionist, willing conscript, and
>their supporters are legitimate targets for any means of removing them.
what you trying to hide ishi?
wrote:
>On 2012-11-19 19:21, Fredxx wrote:
>> It has an elected government which is bent on sending missiles into Israel.
>
>don't want to be attacked, they should start behaving like creatures
>worthy of being called human, and learn to live the rightful inhabitants
>of the land they are squatting in. If they can't do that, they are
>entirely expendable.
>
>> It really is immaterial whether Gaza has an army, navy or air force!!
>> If they didn't have missiles, life in Gaza would now be much easier.
>>
>> Clearly, you cannot discern between sending rockets indiscriminately
>> into populated areas, or attacks on military areas occupied by cowards
>> surrounding themselves with civilians. Perhaps its purpose is so that
>> myopic criticism can be levelled at Israel?
>
>The zionist-occupied part of Palestine is run as a militarised apartheid
>> It really is immaterial whether Gaza has an army, navy or air force!!
>> If they didn't have missiles, life in Gaza would now be much easier.
>>
>> Clearly, you cannot discern between sending rockets indiscriminately
>> into populated areas, or attacks on military areas occupied by cowards
>> surrounding themselves with civilians. Perhaps its purpose is so that
>> myopic criticism can be levelled at Israel?
>
>state by expansionist criminals. Every zionist, willing conscript, and
>their supporters are legitimate targets for any means of removing them.
what you trying to hide ishi?
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 2:37:42 PM11/19/12
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> news:agv7ph...@mid.individual.net...
>> On 19/11/12 16:01, JNugent wrote:
>>>
>>
>> No.
>
> So you could have entitled your post "Hamas continues to kill
> civilians", couldn't you?
I think they may have stopped at just three civilians, so it probably
wouldn't be accurate.
However, it is hypocritical for Israel to complain that its civilians
are being killed by terrorist rockets, and to fire rockets or artillery
back at Gaza in revenge. They evidently don't value civilian life on
either side.
>> On 19/11/12 16:01, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 19/11/2012 14:32, The Todal wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19/11/12 14:15, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the
>>>>>> rogue
>>>>>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>>>>
>>>>> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>>>>> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>>>>
>>>> There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on
>>>> civilian
>>>> populations. It's morally equivalent to attacking the Warsaw Ghetto.
>>>
>>> Do think that Hamas bombarding civilians in Israel is acceptable?
>>>
>>>> On 19/11/12 14:15, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the
>>>>>> rogue
>>>>>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>>>>
>>>>> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>>>>> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>>>>
>>>> There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on
>>>> civilian
>>>> populations. It's morally equivalent to attacking the Warsaw Ghetto.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No.
>
> So you could have entitled your post "Hamas continues to kill
> civilians", couldn't you?
I think they may have stopped at just three civilians, so it probably
wouldn't be accurate.
However, it is hypocritical for Israel to complain that its civilians
are being killed by terrorist rockets, and to fire rockets or artillery
back at Gaza in revenge. They evidently don't value civilian life on
either side.
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 19, 2012, 2:40:21 PM11/19/12
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happen?
> On 19/11/2012 17:45, Mentalguy2k8 wrote:
>>
>> "The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>> news:agv7ph...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 19/11/12 16:01, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 19/11/2012 14:32, The Todal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19/11/12 14:15, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the
>>>>>>> rogue
>>>>>>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>>>>>> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on
>>>>> civilian
>>>>> populations. It's morally equivalent to attacking the Warsaw Ghetto.
>>>>
>>>> Do think that Hamas bombarding civilians in Israel is acceptable?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> So you could have entitled your post "Hamas continues to kill
>> civilians", couldn't you?
>
> I think they may have stopped at just three civilians, so it probably
> wouldn't be accurate.
They've stopped firing missiles indiscriminately at Israel? When did this
>>
>> "The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>> news:agv7ph...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 19/11/12 16:01, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 19/11/2012 14:32, The Todal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19/11/12 14:15, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/11/2012 13:59, The Todal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Surely it must be time for the USA to send in troops to remove the
>>>>>>> rogue
>>>>>>> government of Israel and substitute a civilised and humane regime?
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the Hamas government in Ghaza stopped sending hundreds of rockets
>>>>>> into Israel, your post might then have some value.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is absolutely no excuse for Israel's indiscriminate attacks on
>>>>> civilian
>>>>> populations. It's morally equivalent to attacking the Warsaw Ghetto.
>>>>
>>>> Do think that Hamas bombarding civilians in Israel is acceptable?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> So you could have entitled your post "Hamas continues to kill
>> civilians", couldn't you?
>
> I think they may have stopped at just three civilians, so it probably
> wouldn't be accurate.
happen?
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 2:42:18 PM11/19/12
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November that killed a 13 year old boy, then Israel's assassination of
Ahmed al-Jabari. That was perhaps the equivalent of assassinating Gerry
Adams and hoping that the IRA would be so demoralised that they would
disband.
Yes, you are right - the media needs to remind people that Israel
provoked the latest "spat" or to be more accurate the latest "massacre".
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 2:46:18 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:37:42 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net>
wrote:
>However, it is hypocritical for Israel to complain that its civilians
>are being killed by terrorist rockets, and to fire rockets or artillery
>back at Gaza in revenge. They evidently don't value civilian life on
>either side.
it's not 'revenge' you dope...it's inhibitory
wrote:
>However, it is hypocritical for Israel to complain that its civilians
>are being killed by terrorist rockets, and to fire rockets or artillery
>back at Gaza in revenge. They evidently don't value civilian life on
>either side.
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 2:46:47 PM11/19/12
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people, to stop evicting Palestinians and bulldozing olive groves, but
instead to behave like decent civilised people.
>
> It just so happens that they can afford to defend themselves and
> retaliate in a bigger, better and far more efficient way. Good luck to
> them, and tough shit on Hamas. They're obviously hoping for one of their
> fellow Arab nations to jump in but they don't seem to want to.
undiminished. Oddly enough, if you kill children that doesn't actually
cause the terrorists to put down their weapons and go away - odd that
the Israelis still haven't learned that lesson. They are just adding to
their problems by helping the terrorists to recruit more members, and
making the Israeli people less secure than ever.
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 19, 2012, 2:49:19 PM11/19/12
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Ah, I just assumed it was the 116 rockets and 55 mortar shells launched
against Israel in 92 separate attacks in October alone.
against Israel in 92 separate attacks in October alone.
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 2:50:21 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:42:18 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net>
wrote:
>What sparked off this latest spat was an Israeli military raid on 8th
no...what started it was the attack on mecca...and god only
knows how many other attacks since...
wrote:
>What sparked off this latest spat was an Israeli military raid on 8th
knows how many other attacks since...
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 2:57:41 PM11/19/12
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civilians having so far killed only three. What's so complicated about that?
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 2:58:08 PM11/19/12
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from the region of your head?
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 19, 2012, 2:59:11 PM11/19/12
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Also odd that Hamas still haven't learned the lesson that firing missiles
indiscriminately at Israel rather than agree to terms offered by Israel for
95% of their demands, doesn't "get their land back".
But I guess Guardian readers will always go back in history to a selective
split second, to "prove" that Israel deserve it.
indiscriminately at Israel rather than agree to terms offered by Israel for
95% of their demands, doesn't "get their land back".
But I guess Guardian readers will always go back in history to a selective
split second, to "prove" that Israel deserve it.
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 2:59:20 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:46:47 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net>
wrote:
>No, they can afford to kill civilians but the risk of Hamas rockets is
>undiminished. Oddly enough, if you kill children that doesn't actually
>cause the terrorists to put down their weapons and go away - odd that
>the Israelis still haven't learned that lesson. They are just adding to
>their problems by helping the terrorists to recruit more members, and
>making the Israeli people less secure than ever.
wrong as usual...they've survived more than 60 years
surrounded by 100s of millions of primitives
wrote:
>No, they can afford to kill civilians but the risk of Hamas rockets is
>undiminished. Oddly enough, if you kill children that doesn't actually
>cause the terrorists to put down their weapons and go away - odd that
>the Israelis still haven't learned that lesson. They are just adding to
>their problems by helping the terrorists to recruit more members, and
>making the Israeli people less secure than ever.
surrounded by 100s of millions of primitives
Mentalguy2k8
Nov 19, 2012, 3:00:25 PM11/19/12
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So they've stopped firing missiles indiscriminately at Israel?
Either that or you're a clairvoyant.
Either that or you're a clairvoyant.
Fredxx
Nov 19, 2012, 3:33:19 PM11/19/12
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On 19/11/2012 14:34, The Todal wrote:
Fired by the civilians in Israel: none
Fired by the state/area controlled by Hamas: numerous
>
>>
>> What would the figures be without the Israeli Iron Dome defence system?
>
> I hope they enjoy wearing their tin hat, but until they have more
> casualties in Tel Aviv and other populated areas, the Israeli government
> will never see sense.
Why do there have to be more? Is that what it takes in your eyes? More
Israeli civilians?
>> news:agus99...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>> The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza
>>> war. Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three
>>> Israeli deaths.
>>
>> And how many missiles have been fired from either side?
>
> Fired by the civilians in Gaza: none.
>
> Fired by the state of Israel: numerous.
You mean a bit like:
>>
>>> The Israeli military attacks on Gaza did not stop after the last Gaza
>>> war. Since 2009, 271 Palestinians have been killed, compared to three
>>> Israeli deaths.
>>
>> And how many missiles have been fired from either side?
>
> Fired by the civilians in Gaza: none.
>
> Fired by the state of Israel: numerous.
Fired by the civilians in Israel: none
Fired by the state/area controlled by Hamas: numerous
>
>>
>> What would the figures be without the Israeli Iron Dome defence system?
>
> I hope they enjoy wearing their tin hat, but until they have more
> casualties in Tel Aviv and other populated areas, the Israeli government
> will never see sense.
Why do there have to be more? Is that what it takes in your eyes? More
Israeli civilians?
Peter Turtill
Nov 19, 2012, 3:57:36 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:37:42 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net>
wrote:
>However, it is hypocritical for Israel to complain that its civilians
>are being killed by terrorist rockets, and to fire rockets or artillery
>back at Gaza in revenge. They evidently don't value civilian life on
>either side.
I am wondering if this is all a cover for an attack upon Iran
supposedly for arming Israeli enemies.
pete
wrote:
>However, it is hypocritical for Israel to complain that its civilians
>are being killed by terrorist rockets, and to fire rockets or artillery
>back at Gaza in revenge. They evidently don't value civilian life on
>either side.
supposedly for arming Israeli enemies.
pete
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Ophelia
Nov 19, 2012, 4:23:34 PM11/19/12
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> Israel is most definitely NOT in the wrong. Hamas is. Hamas has been
> directing rockets willy nilly at Israel ever since the last war.
> Deliberate provocation, and also aimed at Israeli civilians including
> children. Hamas "always" hides it's rockets and launchers and
> ammunition behind the civilian houses, deliberately. Hamas are, after
> all, merely terrorists. The inhabitants of Gaza have brought this all
> down upon themselves. They voted for a terrorist government after all.
> One reaps what one sows. The Israeli's have every right to protect
> their citizens from unwarranted attack from Gaza, which is what has
> happened. All your pseudo trendy lefty, super PC and liberal
> protestations are ill-informed and inaccurate. Like the BBC, you are
> highly biased and full of your own self importance and supercilious
> sanctimonious judgmentalism.
>
> Harry Merrick.
> directing rockets willy nilly at Israel ever since the last war.
> Deliberate provocation, and also aimed at Israeli civilians including
> children. Hamas "always" hides it's rockets and launchers and
> ammunition behind the civilian houses, deliberately. Hamas are, after
> all, merely terrorists. The inhabitants of Gaza have brought this all
> down upon themselves. They voted for a terrorist government after all.
> One reaps what one sows. The Israeli's have every right to protect
> their citizens from unwarranted attack from Gaza, which is what has
> happened. All your pseudo trendy lefty, super PC and liberal
> protestations are ill-informed and inaccurate. Like the BBC, you are
> highly biased and full of your own self importance and supercilious
> sanctimonious judgmentalism.
>
I agree with all you say, Harry, but we need to take one step back. The
Israelis took land because it was their 'heritage'.
They have dispossessed people of their homes!
--
--
http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 4:27:06 PM11/19/12
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on the people of Gaza will they deter further rocket attacks. They
cannot be in the least surprised if Hamas apply the same logic and
decide to kill as many Israelis as possible to deter further attacks on
the citizens of Gaza.
Why do there have to be more? Because the IDF are determined to pursue
an illusory victory which will never come.
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 4:31:57 PM11/19/12
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GB
Nov 19, 2012, 4:32:15 PM11/19/12
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On 19/11/2012 21:09, Ishvara wrote:
>> Ah, I just assumed it was the 116 rockets and 55 mortar shells launched
>> against Israel in 92 separate attacks in October alone.
>
> Then you were wrong. They were launched against the part of Palestine
>> Ah, I just assumed it was the 116 rockets and 55 mortar shells launched
>> against Israel in 92 separate attacks in October alone.
>
> occupied by zionists.
What difference does that make? Perhaps you mean that it's okay to kill
civilians, just as long as they are zionists?
Hotblack Desiato
Nov 19, 2012, 4:35:27 PM11/19/12
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"The Todal" wrote in message news:agvgcp...@mid.individual.net...
>What sparked off this latest spat was an Israeli military raid on 8th
>November that killed a 13 year old boy, then Israel's assassination of
>Ahmed al-Jabari. That was perhaps the equivalent of assassinating Gerry
>Adams and hoping that the IRA would be so demoralised that they would
>disband.
>
>Yes, you are right - the media needs to remind people that Israel provoked
>the latest "spat" or to be more accurate the latest "massacre".
Heavens .. Sitting there watching Abelard, DVH and that other retard
jerking off in to each other's mouths, I was beginning to think no one was
going to speak out against their utter horseshit. I didn't know whether to
laugh, cry or puke.. I'm seriously giving up on this God-awful ng
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 4:36:29 PM11/19/12
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Gaza. Gaza has no defence forces of its own and is a huge concentration
camp of people who live in poverty and unemployment but are not able to
leave because Israel controls the borders. When fishing boats depart
from the ports of Gaza the boats are often attacked and sunk by Israeli
forces as a way of humiliating the fishermen and keeping them in poverty.
The blockade is disgraceful and has been condemned by human rights
organisations and by several UN agencies, but Israel prefers to maintain
the status quo, knowing full well that it will forever be a source of
resentment, resistance and of course terrorism.
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 4:42:13 PM11/19/12
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fuhrer
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 4:44:36 PM11/19/12
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Ophelia
Nov 19, 2012, 4:45:49 PM11/19/12
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abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 4:46:51 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:44:36 +0000, The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net>
wrote:
you have an excuse...you're none too bright...
hot potato is merely a coward....frit to speak up for idiocy,
until he has fools like you to hide behind
wrote:
hot potato is merely a coward....frit to speak up for idiocy,
until he has fools like you to hide behind
The Todal
Nov 19, 2012, 4:49:38 PM11/19/12
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doesn't matter to you but I assure you it matters to them.
http://electronicintifada.net/content/gaza-blockade-keeps-saleh-away-sea/10170
For five years now, Saleh has only been able to sail for short
distances. Most of the time, it sits idle in a parking lot for boats
near a sea port to the west of Gaza City.
Saleh is the name of a large boat that belongs to Abu Ayman Kabaja, a
56-year-old fisherman and father of five children, all of whom have
worked in Gaza’s fishing industry for many years.
Before Israel imposed its blockade, Saleh and hundreds of other fishing
boats used to sail approximately 12 nautical miles off Gaza shores. Yet
for the past four years such boats have been allowed to sail only a
small distance offshore.
Under the Oslo accords, the US-sponsored peace process between Israel
and the Palestine Liberation Organization in the mid-1990s, fishermen in
Gaza were allotted access up to twenty nautical miles offshore. When
Israel imposed the 2007 blockade, this access area was shrunk to just
six nautical miles, and within the last year, Israel once again cut the
distance to three nautical miles.
Saleh is one of about 25 similar boats in the area that used to sail
from Gaza before Israel imposed the maritime blockade. These boats are
all out of regular use as a result of the siege on Gaza.
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 4:51:26 PM11/19/12
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go study instead of lapping up vacuous crap from the groaniad
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abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 5:05:10 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:56:53 +0000, Ishvara <ish...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>On 2012-11-19 21:51, abelard wrote:
>> that's because you're an ignorant fool...
>> go study instead of lapping up vacuous crap from the groaniad
>
>Why are zionists so scared of the truth?
what are you hiding ishi?
you know as well as i know that you are lying...but
just why are you lying ishi?
why are you lying when you know full well that any
informed person knows you're lying?
wrote:
>On 2012-11-19 21:51, abelard wrote:
>> that's because you're an ignorant fool...
>> go study instead of lapping up vacuous crap from the groaniad
>
what are you hiding ishi?
you know as well as i know that you are lying...but
just why are you lying ishi?
why are you lying when you know full well that any
informed person knows you're lying?
Claire
Nov 19, 2012, 5:14:10 PM11/19/12
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On Nov 19, 2:44 pm, sutartsorric <sutartsor...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, November 19, 2012 2:41:09 PM UTC, Richard McKenzie wrote:
> > If rockets are being fired from the top of houses and hospitals
>
> > and the Hamas government do nothing to stop this what would you
>
> > suggest they
>
> > do?
>
> I suggest the Israelis f*** off and go somewhere a long way away from there.
>
> I hear the moon is quite empty at this time of year.
By that same token, why not tell the Arabs to clear off? They have
more space to start with (the whole ME minus Israel which is less the
size of Wales in fact!) without needing to send them to the moon! So
it would be more cost-effective! ;-)
> On Monday, November 19, 2012 2:41:09 PM UTC, Richard McKenzie wrote:
> > If rockets are being fired from the top of houses and hospitals
>
> > and the Hamas government do nothing to stop this what would you
>
> > suggest they
>
> > do?
>
> I suggest the Israelis f*** off and go somewhere a long way away from there.
>
> I hear the moon is quite empty at this time of year.
By that same token, why not tell the Arabs to clear off? They have
more space to start with (the whole ME minus Israel which is less the
size of Wales in fact!) without needing to send them to the moon! So
it would be more cost-effective! ;-)
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 5:15:06 PM11/19/12
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:51:35 +0000, Ishvara <ish...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>There are very few "civilians" in Occupied Palestine. Most either do
>military service, or vote for parties which require it. And it's not
>their country. As long as they're squatting on someone else's land,
>keeping out the rightful inhabitants, they will be subject to retribution.
you are being subject to retribution for throwing missiles at
the neighbours...
you could of course stop being so dammed stupid
what you hiding ishi?
wrote:
>military service, or vote for parties which require it. And it's not
>their country. As long as they're squatting on someone else's land,
>keeping out the rightful inhabitants, they will be subject to retribution.
you are being subject to retribution for throwing missiles at
the neighbours...
you could of course stop being so dammed stupid
what you hiding ishi?
abelard
Nov 19, 2012, 5:16:28 PM11/19/12
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posing as a civilised human being
Claire
Nov 19, 2012, 5:18:45 PM11/19/12
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On Nov 19, 2:46 pm, The Todal <deadmail...@beeb.net> wrote:
> wasn't so long ago that people can have forgotten.
Hamas seems to want to be in power and be terrorists. The British
Government would not have stood that from the Provos so it should not
be too surprising that the Israelis don't either. Mind you, the
British did not send war-planes over West Belfast!!!
> On 19/11/12 14:41, Richard McKenzie wrote:
>
>
>
> > If rockets are being fired from the top of houses and hospitals
> > and the Hamas government do nothing to stop this what would you
> > suggest they
> > do?
>
> They should do what the UK did when faced with a similar problem. It
>
>
>
> > If rockets are being fired from the top of houses and hospitals
> > and the Hamas government do nothing to stop this what would you
> > suggest they
> > do?
>
> wasn't so long ago that people can have forgotten.
Hamas seems to want to be in power and be terrorists. The British
Government would not have stood that from the Provos so it should not
be too surprising that the Israelis don't either. Mind you, the
British did not send war-planes over West Belfast!!!
Claire
Nov 19, 2012, 5:24:15 PM11/19/12
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expected to economise you know!
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