WHAT A SCREAM
arealman
produced by any backward 9 year old in any third rate comprehensive primary
school in 20 minutes.
Whoever you are, burn this piece of shit so that it may never grace our art
galleries again.
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> A piece of Pseudo art has been stolen. It is an artform that could
> have been produced by any backward 9 year old in any third rate
> comprehensive primary school in 20 minutes.
>
> Whoever you are, burn this piece of shit so that it may never grace
> our art galleries again.
What do you consider to be a good painting then?
The Scream is a classic.
http://www.mystudios.com/treasure/munch/munch-scream.jpg
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Canaletto......http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/canaletto/san-marco.jpg
You will note the very obvious difference in skill level.
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> A Constable,
> Canaletto......http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/canaletto/san-marco
> .jpg
>
> You will note the very obvious difference in skill level.
Well yes, but it's possible to like that painting (as I do) and The Scream.
Maybe you have to understand what Munch was going through when he painted
it, to appreciate it?
Gareth Crawshaw
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>
> > A piece of Pseudo art has been stolen. It is an artform that could
> > have been produced by any backward 9 year old in any third rate
> > comprehensive primary school in 20 minutes.
> >
> > Whoever you are, burn this piece of shit so that it may never grace
> > our art galleries again.
>
> What do you consider to be a good painting then?
Like the warehouses that were torched a couple of months ago containing art,
amongst others, pieces by Tracey Emin and Damien Hirst... Whether you like
the art, or despise it, it plays a role in art history. So many forms of art
have caused controversy and debate on this same subject, deco, cubism or
abstract, who knows what may later be considered as a progress of "art"...
While some may recognise it now, others may not it and who in all honesty
can claim to be the de facto judge of what is today's and tomorrow's art?
g.
badajoz
>
> Maybe you have to understand what Munch was going through when he painted
> it, to appreciate it?
>
Ariadne
That's witty, but I like the painting too.
I like lots of Fauves and American Primitives.
Also much earlier painters.
Stephen Glynn
> A piece of Pseudo art has been stolen. It is an artform that could have been
> produced by any backward 9 year old in any third rate comprehensive primary
> school in 20 minutes.
>
> Whoever you are, burn this piece of shit so that it may never grace *our* art
> galleries again.
>
Are you a Norwegian, 'arealman'?
Steve
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>
> "Borderline Genius" <bgmade...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:Xns954EB5EAF7D26bg...@130.133.1.4...
>> "arealman" <Ma...@PlayboyInternational.Int> wrote in
>> news:cgd6jn$e71$2$8302...@news.demon.co.uk:
>>
>> > A piece of Pseudo art has been stolen. It is an artform that could
>> > have been produced by any backward 9 year old in any third rate
>> > comprehensive primary school in 20 minutes.
>> >
>> > Whoever you are, burn this piece of shit so that it may never grace
>> > our art galleries again.
>>
>> What do you consider to be a good painting then?
>
> Like the warehouses that were torched a couple of months ago
> containing art, amongst others, pieces by Tracey Emin and Damien
> Hirst... Whether you like the art, or despise it, it plays a role in
> art history.
I think Damien Hirst is great, but Tracey Emin is abysmal.
> So many forms of art have caused controversy and debate
> on this same subject, deco, cubism or abstract, who knows what may
> later be considered as a progress of "art"... While some may recognise
> it now, others may not it and who in all honesty can claim to be the
> de facto judge of what is today's and tomorrow's art?
Nobody can of course. Because appreciation of any art is a personal
thing.
Borderline Genius
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> "arealman" <Ma...@PlayboyInternational.Int> wrote in
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>
> > A Constable,
> > Canaletto......http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/canaletto/san-marco
> > .jpg
> >
> > You will note the very obvious difference in skill level.
>
> Well yes, but it's possible to like that painting (as I do) and The
Scream.
>
> Maybe you have to understand what Munch was going through when he painted
> it, to appreciate it?
Hi Bord...
Yes I am aware of the family background and all very tragic. My scorn is not
really directed at the artist but at the so called art world who value a
painting worth no more tha £70 at £40 million. Picasso is another one.
Armed with a few paints and a canvas, I expect almost anybody could
reproduce a fair rendering of The Scream yet few could reproduce the
Canaletto. As for the Scream, I don't deny it's an interesting and haunting
image but a true artist has a remarkable skill which is so evidently lacking
here.
The art world suceeeds at these clever deceptions by pouring scorn on those
who recognise the truth about some so called artists. The real scorn need to
be directed by us at the critics. How often do we see the modern equivelent
in the form a a pile of builders rubble, or some such, at the Tate.
Some years ago, a skilful sceptic forger who could render any
master,appeared on a TV program. Within 30 minutes he painted a Picasso
which could have been slipped into the market quietly to be discovered as it
were, and it would have fetched millions. He joked as he tore it up before
ours eyes, it's all total crap you see.
Seriously, if you like the Scream, go into any local low end gallery typical
of many high streets in our larger towns. Many have a ready source of local
artists, many capable of reproducing fine art at well under £200. Any of
them could produce you a fair rendering of the scream.
arealman
> >
> A car wash?
chuckle
arealman
>
> Steve
Nah, silly. But if you did not know, paintings get moved from country to
country to be shown at different exhibitions.
arealman
>
> > So many forms of art have caused controversy and debate
> > on this same subject, deco, cubism or abstract, who knows what may
> > later be considered as a progress of "art"... While some may recognise
> > it now, others may not it and who in all honesty can claim to be the
> > de facto judge of what is today's and tomorrow's art?
>
> Nobody can of course. Because appreciation of any art is a personal
> thing.
Hold on. They tell us that the Mona Lisa is beautiful.
Would you go to bed with her.........
Andrew Adams
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>
>> A Constable,
>> Canaletto......http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/canaletto/san-marc
>> o .jpg
>>
>> You will note the very obvious difference in skill level.
>
> Well yes, but it's possible to like that painting (as I do) and The
> Scream.
>
> Maybe you have to understand what Munch was going through when he
> painted it, to appreciate it?
>
Yoghurt knitter!!!!
;)
Andrew Adams
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>>
>> > A Constable,
>> > Canaletto......http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/canaletto/san-
ma
>> > rco .jpg
>> >
>> > You will note the very obvious difference in skill level.
>>
>> Well yes, but it's possible to like that painting (as I do) and The
> Scream.
>>
>> Maybe you have to understand what Munch was going through when he
>> painted it, to appreciate it?
>
> Hi Bord...
>
> Yes I am aware of the family background and all very tragic. My scorn
> is not really directed at the artist but at the so called art world
> who value a painting worth no more tha £70 at £40 million. Picasso is
> another one.
A painting will be valued at £40 million because that's what people
would be prepared to pay for it if it went on sale. It's not
neccessarily a judgement of artistic merit. The 'worth' of a particular
painting can never be calculated based on the cost of the paint and
canvas alone.
> Armed with a few paints and a canvas, I expect almost anybody could
> reproduce a fair rendering of The Scream yet few could reproduce the
> Canaletto. As for the Scream, I don't deny it's an interesting and
> haunting image but a true artist has a remarkable skill which is so
> evidently lacking here.
Just because an artist doesn't paint the type of picture you like it
doesn't mean they are technically capable of doing to. Munch didn't
paint pictures like Cannaletto's because he had no interest in doing so.
I certainly think that The Scream is the work of an incredibly skilled
artist.
> The art world suceeeds at these clever deceptions by pouring scorn on
> those who recognise the truth about some so called artists. The real
> scorn need to be directed by us at the critics. How often do we see
> the modern equivelent in the form a a pile of builders rubble, or some
> such, at the Tate.
I share your distaste for some critics and the art establishment. I
think we need the Brian Sewells of this world to prick their pomposity.
That doesn't mean that I share your distaste for all conceptual art;
some of it I like, some I don't. It's not neccesarily meant to be
appreciated in the same way as a painting though.
> Some years ago, a skilful sceptic forger who could render any
> master,appeared on a TV program. Within 30 minutes he painted a
> Picasso which could have been slipped into the market quietly to be
> discovered as it were, and it would have fetched millions. He joked as
> he tore it up before ours eyes, it's all total crap you see.
Picasso was a truly great artist, I'm sorry if he's not to your taste. A
competent artist could probably knock up a reasonable approximation of a
Picasso which might fool a few laymen but that same competent artist
would never, say, invent Cubism if Picasso hadn't had done it first.
> Seriously, if you like the Scream, go into any local low end gallery
> typical of many high streets in our larger towns. Many have a ready
> source of local artists, many capable of reproducing fine art at well
> under £200. Any of them could produce you a fair rendering of the
> scream.
>
And of the Canaletto probably. The fact is though that they can copy The
Scream because Munch painted it first. They would never have done it
from scratch.
Andrew
arealman
>
> And of the Canaletto probably. The fact is though that they can copy The
> Scream because Munch painted it first. They would never have done it
> from scratch.
>
> Andrew
Well we probably can never agree. I would just suggest that art forms one
category, and this other stuff, abstracts and whatever, should just be
called something else. ( Junk springs to mind - just kidding ) If it's to
your taste fine, how "about decorative effects"
I'm just trying to think of a parallel. What springs to mind is that ear
insulting noise emanating from those Jamacan types: A really lousy form of
Pseudo poetry ( an insult to every poet that has walked the earth ) which
they call cRAP music. Now as we all know this is really cRAP noise, and a
very unpleasant noise it is too. Under the biggest stretch of the
imagination, nobody in their right mind would try and pretend this stuff has
any connection with music.
BTW, the faker I referred to did fool all the experts. Sorry I cannot recall
his name now.
kind regards
Lukipela
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> > A Constable,
> > Canaletto......http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/canaletto/san-marco
> > .jpg
> >
> > You will note the very obvious difference in skill level.
>
> Well yes, but it's possible to like that painting (as I do) and The Scream.
>
> Maybe you have to understand what Munch was going through when he painted
> it, to appreciate it?
Are you are saying that the expression on the person's face is
supposed to reflect what Munch was going through?
If this is the case, Borderline Moron you are sadly incorrect - recent
critics have said that the area where the painting is set was home to
a psychiatric hospital; the look on the person's face is said to be in
response to the screams eminating from the asylum.
Did you know Munch well?
Andrew Adams
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>
>>
>> And of the Canaletto probably. The fact is though that they can copy
>> The Scream because Munch painted it first. They would never have done
>> it from scratch.
>>
>> Andrew
>
> Well we probably can never agree.
That's the nature of art - it does inspire very different reactions in
different people.
> I would just suggest that art forms
> one category, and this other stuff, abstracts and whatever, should
> just be called something else. ( Junk springs to mind - just kidding )
> If it's to your taste fine, how "about decorative effects"
I think 'art' is actually a very broad term that encompasses all sorts
of things. There is much agonising in some circles about what does or
does not constitute 'art' and I'm not particularly interested in that -
I prefer to judge individual works on their own merit. I used the term
'conceptual art' deliberately to try and distinguish that which is
decorative, or at least figurative, in form from that which falls less
neatly into the traditional definition of 'art'.
> I'm just trying to think of a parallel. What springs to mind is that
> ear insulting noise emanating from those Jamacan types: A really lousy
> form of Pseudo poetry ( an insult to every poet that has walked the
> earth ) which they call cRAP music. Now as we all know this is really
> cRAP noise, and a very unpleasant noise it is too. Under the biggest
> stretch of the imagination, nobody in their right mind would try and
> pretend this stuff has any connection with music.
I'm certainly not a fan myself, but some people do appreciate it and I
prefer to leave them to it rather than worry about its merits as music,
poetry or whatever. I have my own idiosyncratic tastes and I don't worry
too much about whether others approve, although it is satisfying to
introduce someone to something I appreciate and find that they also
enjoy it.
> BTW, the faker I referred to did fool all the experts. Sorry I cannot
> recall his name now.
Fair enough, but I maintain if Picasso had not existed he would not be
able to produce those works off of his own back.
Andrew
Ariadne
Joe Hutcheon
> > containing art, amongst others, pieces by Tracey Emin and Damien
> > Hirst... Whether you like the art, or despise it, it plays a role in
> > art history.
>
> I think Damien Hirst is great, but Tracey Emin is abysmal.
They're both abysmal. Or their 'art' is, at any rate. As people they may
be wonderful.
Borderline Genius
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Not in the state she is now... ;-)
Borderline Genius
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LOL! I walked into that one, didn't I! :-)
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>> > A Constable,
>> > Canaletto......http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/canaletto/san-ma
>> > rco .jpg
>> >
>> > You will note the very obvious difference in skill level.
>>
>> Well yes, but it's possible to like that painting (as I do) and The
>> Scream.
>>
>> Maybe you have to understand what Munch was going through when he
>> painted it, to appreciate it?
>
> Are you are saying that the expression on the person's face is
> supposed to reflect what Munch was going through?
> If this is the case, Borderline Moron
And you were doing so well. Shame. Post again when you've got something
to say without resorting to insults.
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>
> Fair enough, but I maintain if Picasso had not existed he would not be
> able to produce those works off of his own back.
If Picasso hadn't have existed, who's to say that this guy or some one else
wouldn't have "discovered" cubism eventually?
BTW, I Walked arround the Piccaso Musiam in Barcellona last week, saw some
of early work, brilliant. Then in my humble opinion, he either lost the
plot, discovered mind bending drugs, or ( And this is what I think ) he
realised that the Art Establishment was there, and ready, to be taken the
"Piss" out of!.
He added a few abstract curves, they loved it, You had to be in "the know"
to appreciate it though, ( has the emperor got any clothes on). He then went
as far out as he could, too see who would have the guts to say " We don't
get it". Nobody has yet.
I think if there is an after life, he's there know laughing his socks off,
and smoothing his owl.
Cheers LJ.
>
> Andrew
>
Lukipela
Says the man who says I'm an animal rights activist just because I am
against animal experimentation.
Truth hurts does it Borderline Moron???
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Equally, fair enough Andrew, Nice talking with you.
arealman
> And you were doing so well. Shame. Post again when you've got something
> to say without resorting to insults.
>
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> Borderline Genius
> http://www.universityofnigeria.com/
I second that. These people who can never actually manage to debate or argue
effectively, think that by insulting you in some way, makes them look good.
I have at times ( well frequently maybe ) given better than I got but it
simply goes around incircles and get you nowhere. I think behind the usenet
mask, we are finding ourselves talking to schoolboys
Perhaps as you intimate here, ignore them until they have something useful
to say. I guess that means 5/10 years - time to find a job, a wife have kids
and learn a littl eabout the real world :-)
regards
arm
arealman
> > Hold on. They tell us that the Mona Lisa is beautiful.
> >
> > Would you go to bed with her.........
>
> Not in the state she is now... ;-)
>
> --
> Borderline Genius
chuckle... you take my point though, we are all supposed to believe this is
the most beautiful smile ( or was it face )......I see better every day,
don't you :-)
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>> >>
>> >> > A Constable,
>> >> > Canaletto......http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/canaletto/san
>> >> > -ma rco .jpg
>> >> >
>> >> > You will note the very obvious difference in skill level.
>> >>
>> >> Well yes, but it's possible to like that painting (as I do) and
>> >> The Scream.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe you have to understand what Munch was going through when he
>> >> painted it, to appreciate it?
>> >
>> > Are you are saying that the expression on the person's face is
>> > supposed to reflect what Munch was going through?
>> > If this is the case, Borderline Moron
>>
>> And you were doing so well. Shame. Post again when you've got
>> something to say without resorting to insults.
>
> Says the man who says I'm an animal rights activist just because I am
> against animal experimentation.
Idiot. I said that because you were referring to doctors and scientists
carrying out these experiments as sadistic butchers or something! You
didn't just say you objected to the experiments, you went as far as
saying the people carrying them out were evil bastards only doing it for
their own enjoyment.
Lukipela
Well they are.
People refer to Nazi doctors as barbaric because of the experiments
they performed on the Jews. As you feel that there is nothing wrong
with doctors and scientists experimenting on animals in this way, am I
to take it that you feel the experiments carried out in Nazi Germany
against Jews were perfectly justified or that the people doing them
were not evil???
Borderline Genius
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>>
>> I said that because you were referring to doctors and
>> scientists carrying out these experiments as sadistic butchers or
>> something! You didn't just say you objected to the experiments, you
>> went as far as saying the people carrying them out were evil bastards
>> only doing it for their own enjoyment.
>
> Well they are.
I rest my case.
> People refer to Nazi doctors as barbaric because of the experiments
> they performed on the Jews.
Comparison of Jews to animals noted. You and Mad Marcia will get on
famously!
> As you feel that there is nothing wrong
> with doctors and scientists experimenting on animals in this way, am I
> to take it that you feel the experiments carried out in Nazi Germany
> against Jews were perfectly justified or that the people doing them
> were not evil???
If you regard animals as equal to people what will you do if you see a
dog kill a cat? Put it on trial for murder?
Lukipela
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> > Borderline Genius <bgmade...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> I said that because you were referring to doctors and
> >> scientists carrying out these experiments as sadistic butchers or
> >> something! You didn't just say you objected to the experiments, you
> >> went as far as saying the people carrying them out were evil bastards
> >> only doing it for their own enjoyment.
> >
> > Well they are.
>
> I rest my case.
>
> > People refer to Nazi doctors as barbaric because of the experiments
> > they performed on the Jews.
>
> Comparison of Jews to animals noted. You and Mad Marcia will get on
> famously!
That's a nice try but it won't wash...you are now twisting what I said
to make it suit your argument. This means you don't have a sensible
answer.
>
> > As you feel that there is nothing wrong
> > with doctors and scientists experimenting on animals in this way, am I
> > to take it that you feel the experiments carried out in Nazi Germany
> > against Jews were perfectly justified or that the people doing them
> > were not evil???
>
> If you regard animals as equal to people what will you do if you see a
> dog kill a cat? Put it on trial for murder?
As far as I know you can't put animals on trial due to their language
capacity - I'm not sure that "woof" after being asked "how do you
plead?" would constitute an acceptable answer.
If you have ever met a dog that has spoken to you I'd find it nothing
short of astonishing.
If a dog did kill a cat however, I'm sure that the cat wouldn't have
been caged up to prevent it escaping.
Borderline Genius
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>> >>
>> >> I said that because you were referring to doctors and
>> >> scientists carrying out these experiments as sadistic butchers or
>> >> something! You didn't just say you objected to the experiments,
>> >> you went as far as saying the people carrying them out were evil
>> >> bastards only doing it for their own enjoyment.
>> >
>> > Well they are.
>>
>> I rest my case.
No comment here? So you concede I'm right. Thank you.
>> > People refer to Nazi doctors as barbaric because of the experiments
>> > they performed on the Jews.
>>
>> Comparison of Jews to animals noted. You and Mad Marcia will get on
>> famously!
>
> That's a nice try but it won't wash...you are now twisting what I said
> to make it suit your argument. This means you don't have a sensible
> answer.
There IS no sensible answer to someone comparing geniune medical
experimentation on animals and the 'experiments' performed on Jews by
Nazis during WWII.
>> > As you feel that there is nothing wrong
>> > with doctors and scientists experimenting on animals in this way,
>> > am I to take it that you feel the experiments carried out in Nazi
>> > Germany against Jews were perfectly justified or that the people
>> > doing them were not evil???
>>
>> If you regard animals as equal to people what will you do if you see
>> a dog kill a cat? Put it on trial for murder?
>
> As far as I know you can't put animals on trial due to their language
> capacity
How about a deaf and dumb person? Would they not be able to stand trial
for murder?
>- I'm not sure that "woof" after being asked "how do you
> plead?" would constitute an acceptable answer.
Why not? You think animals are equal to people. Surely we must respect
their choice of communication. To do otherwise would be discriminatory.
> If you have ever met a dog that has spoken to you I'd find it nothing
> short of astonishing.
So you admit animals aren't equal to people then.
> If a dog did kill a cat however, I'm sure that the cat wouldn't have
> been caged up to prevent it escaping.
How do you describe a surgeon operating on someone to remove a tumour?
Would you call them a butchering sadist who just does it for the sake of
it?