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Maria
07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
THEM?
Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
All contact between the sexes would be banned. Discos, bars, public
swimming pools, youth clubs - anywhere women and men could meet -
would be closed down. Sunbathing, beach holidays and all forms of
female sport would be outlawed. Fashion magazines such as Vogue could
only be published if all images of female flesh were blacked out.
It would be a crime for a woman to walk with her hair uncovered in
public. Instead, all women, even girls as young as four, would be
forced to wear hijab - an all-encompassing headscarf and baggy clothes
to disguise her body shape even in the height of summer.
Bikinis, skimpy clothes, any garment revealing a women's curves would
be suppressed.
The only men a British woman would be allowed to meet would be her
immediate male relatives - although men would be allowed to marry up
to four wives.
Education would be rigidly segregated and all forms of mixed
entertainment banned.
The streets of every British city would be patrolled by special
religious police who would enforce this Islamic dress code and arrest
any suspected "courting couples".
Anyone suspected of committing adultery would be hanged or stoned to
death in public at the new Wembley stadium. Britain would be ruled by
a special council of Islamic Guardians who would oversee all laws and
determine who could stand for Parliament.
The only people allowed to become MPs would be those deemed by these
Islamic clerics to have the right attitude to the rule of Islam and
the British Islamic Republic.
The Royal family would be killed or driven into exile. An Islamic
Britain would declare war on the United States.
Every aspect of life - from family barbecues, to who sat next to whom
in restaurants - would be determined by a strict Islamic code.
All other religious groups, from Christians to Jews, would be expected
to adopt the same sort of rules. The Koran, not a constitution or a
legal system, would be regarded as the only source of authority or
justice.
Those who blasphemed or criticised it - such as author Salman Rushdie
- would be executed. To normal people, the idea of Britain ever
becoming an Islamic Republic seems insane.
But to the fanatics behind the Tube bombings, taking power in a major
Western European state is just part of their holy jihad against the
West.
At the root of the Islamic philosophy of Osama bin Laden and his
followers is the belief that America and its allies, such as Britain,
are occupying Muslim lands and waging a modern-day Christian crusade
against Islam.
Osama bin Laden wants to turn the historical clock back to the 13th
century when the Islamic empire of the Ottomans stretched from the
deserts of China to Spain and to the gates of Vienna in Austria. These
fanatics believe that the presence of US and British troops in Iraq
and Saudi Arabia is just part of the United States' plan to dominate
the world and control the world's oil supplies.
If they won their war of terror, bin Laden would take control of the
oil wealth of Saudi Arabia, expel all American troops from Iraq and
wipe the Jewish state of Israel off the map. They want Islam, not the
United States, to rule the world and they are prepared to use any
means - terrorism, hijacking and suicide bombing - to further their
aim.
ALTHOUGH the attacks in London were deadly, they were not a repeat of
9/11. The London attackers did not have the capacity to launch the
same level of attack that resulted in the Twin Towers' collapse and a
huge death toll.
The relatively small amount of explosives used also suggests that the
Islamic terror cell is small and isolated and without access to the
sort of funds and ready supply of bomb- making material that
characterised previous al-Qaeda attacks.
On the surface, these elements suggest that the London attackers are
likely to come from within Britain's own Islamic communities rather
than be sleeper cells sent from abroad.
Fighting such terror cells, and suicide bombers, is a huge
intelligence task. By the time the terrorists are ready to plant the
bombs it is too late.
In a very brutal way, a suicide bomber is just a means of delivering a
bomb and a puppet of the recruiters and organisers who send him.
The only real way to stop similar terrorist outrages is to find and
eliminate the leaders while they are planning their atrocities.
And the only real way to do that is to recruit a network of spies
among the Islamic extremists in Britain and abroad.
The bombings hint at a failure of MI5 to counter the Islamic terror
threat. At the moment, MI5 and the Metropolitan police simply don't
have enough Arabic-speaking officers to infiltrate the Islamic terror
cells.
They simply don't have enough people who understand the language. And
if you can't understand the language, how can you expect to understand
the mindset of the enemy?
The fuel for this home-grown fanaticism has been America's support for
Israel in the Middle East and the invasion of Iraq.
If the Arab-Israeli conflict was successfully resolved, this would
weaken support for the fanatics' cause and help stabilise an inflamed
region. But it would not make the threat disappear entirely.
The men who planted bombs on London's Tube and a bus to kill and maim
did so because they see everything about the West as corrupt and evil.
Killing the innocent was just part of their greater crusade.
They think they are fighting for the future of the entire world, for a
universal Islamic state that will rule every human life. We must do
all in our power to destroy them before they try again to destroy our
way of life.
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George Saden
Excellent article, what parts of it do you disagree with.
Adrian Bailey
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> 07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
> THEM?
> Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
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> IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
> took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
[snip]
The editor ought to be ashamed of himself, publishing such rot.
1. There is no evidence that the evil people who bombed London want Britain
to become an Islamic republic.
2. Even if they did, there is no chance of them ever getting their way, so
why lead people up the garden path in this fashion?
It's not news, it's propaganda.
Adrian
Roger Dewhurst
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> > 07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
> > THEM?
> > Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
> >
> > IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
> > took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
> >
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Excellent, and from the gutter press surprisingly.
R
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George Saden
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>>07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
>>THEM?
>>Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
>>
>>IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
>>took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
>
>
> [snip]
>
> The editor ought to be ashamed of himself, publishing such rot.
>
> 1. There is no evidence that the evil people who bombed London want Britain
> to become an Islamic republic.
Fucking tonnes of it.
> 2. Even if they did [which even you really know full welll -ed], there is no chance of them ever getting their way, so
> why lead people up the garden path in this fashion?
Based opn current legal and illegal immigration trends they will get
their way some time around 2050.
Get a fucking clue what is going on in the world.
> It's not news, it's propaganda.
No it's fact, you are a moron.
Dr. GroundAxe
It's the kind of propaganda we need right now.
Farmer Giles
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> THEM?
> Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
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> IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
> took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
>
And your point in posting this, Maria, is?
The reason I ask is because, although you seem to be coming round rapidly to
a more enlightened stance, those of us who have been around usenet for a few
years will know you as one of the more virulent 'anti-racists' here.
Whenever anyone made the kind of statement about Asians, or immigration in
general - that if heeded a while back would have prevented many of the
problems we are now beginning to see rapidly coming to the fore - you were
quickly on hand to attack them (together with your fellow traveller Steve
Glynn). I remember that you hardly had a good word for the British - whom
you foolishly said that you didn't belong to - and that you had never met a
bad Asian. It might be easier to forgive those like you, and listen to your
current views, if there was some sort of recognition of - and apology for -
the damage that this kind of warped thinking has done.
Gary Walker
into exile, parts of Britain have what you list below already. It's time to
get medieval. Tolerance will only cause more deaths.
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The BNP will be receiving his membership fee shortly... :)
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Maria
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>> 07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
>> THEM?
>> Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
>>
>> IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
>> took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
>>
><snipped for brevity>
>
>And your point in posting this, Maria, is?
>
>The reason I ask is because, although you seem to be coming round rapidly to
>a more enlightened stance, those of us who have been around usenet for a few
>years will know you as one of the more virulent 'anti-racists' here.
I still am 'anti-racist' in the sense that I do not judge people by
their racial grouping or colour or whatever, but on what people do.
That hasn't changed, but other things have - I no longer believe that
people with huge cultural differences can live together peacefully.
Sooner or later, people get tribal over some bone of contention or
other and blood gets shed, and even I have found myself getting
'tribal' just lately, in feeling that *my* country has been turned
into an alien place to some degree. Partly my getting older perhaps,
reading more politics, but also things really have changed quite
considerably since Bliar came to power. I now have the same sense of
wanting to 'roll things back'.
>Whenever anyone made the kind of statement about Asians, or immigration in
>general - that if heeded a while back would have prevented many of the
>problems we are now beginning to see rapidly coming to the fore - you were
>quickly on hand to attack them (together with your fellow traveller Steve
>Glynn). I remember that you hardly had a good word for the British - whom
>you foolishly said that you didn't belong to -
No, I've never said that - I've always felt British - actually I've
always felt Enlglish, being brought up by English people in the
English way fof life, but have been told so often that I am definitely
not English (by people in the real world as well as on Usenet) that I
have had to drop that idea. My perception still is that I am English,
because that is what is in my mind, but there would be no point in
saying it anymore because other people make their own minds up.
It is quite difficult trying to fit in in a place where other people
feel you don't belong, but I don't have any right to live anywhere
else because I am not an immigrant so I can't leave.
>and that you had never met a
>bad Asian.
I can honestly say that that is true, but OTOH, I have never explored
their religious beliefs because I always considered it a personal
matter. What I didn't know was that however well people appear to get
on together on the surface,
>It might be easier to forgive those like you,
I don't expect forgiveness.
> and listen to your
>current views, if there was some sort of recognition of - and apology for -
>the damage that this kind of warped thinking has done.
I'm not apologising for anything because I haven't done anything wrong
- I have no power to change anything and never have had. The agenda is
in place and has been for some time as far as I can tell. I no longer
even believe that it matters who you vote for. I will fight against it
if I can.
I *am* by nature, a tolerant person, but I never wanted to support
oppressive laws or the rights of criminals over victims.
I know what you think, but if you look back to 1999 (? can't remember
exactly what year it was), you will see that even though I argued
against racism, I also argued against the MacPherson laws before they
were introduced. I have been misjudged to some degree - because I
defended people against racial stereotyping, I was considered to be an
ultra-liberal who wanted the garbage that we have now. That isn't true
and never was, I'm simply a tolerant conservative by nature - that's
the way I was brought up. This government is even miles from tolerant.
Maria
wrote:
Just some evidence that Muslims were responsible for what happened
will do for now. I'm not into rabble-rousing.
Maria
>I can honestly say that that is true, but OTOH, I have never explored
>their religious beliefs because I always considered it a personal
>matter. What I didn't know was that however well people appear to get
>on together on the surface,
Sentence cut off for some reason!
However well people get on on the surface, the fundamental differences
come into play when the chips are down. That's easy to see, even
within the same cultural group, let alone other hugely different ones.
Farmer Giles
We all want to be tolerant and live in a peaceful world, where everyone gets
on together - but that isn't the way things necessarily work. Those of us
who could see decades ago just where we were heading, if as a country we
didn't stop being so stupidly 'tolerant', had to contend with naive idiots
like you rambling on in their simplistic way on about us all being the same
'under the skin' - as if it were that simple. Those of you who are largely
responsible for what we have now, and for destroying our children's future,
are the very last people we want to listen to bleating on about how bad
things are.
Maria
wrote:
>We all want to be tolerant and live in a peaceful world, where everyone gets
>on together - but that isn't the way things necessarily work. Those of us
>who could see decades ago just where we were heading, if as a country we
>didn't stop being so stupidly 'tolerant', had to contend with naive idiots
>like you rambling on in their simplistic way on about us all being the same
>'under the skin' - as if it were that simple. Those of you who are largely
>responsible for what we have now, and for destroying our children's future,
>are the very last people we want to listen to bleating on about how bad
>things are.
>
In what way am I 'responsible'?
Maria
wrote:
>We all want to be tolerant and live in a peaceful world, where everyone gets
>on together - but that isn't the way things necessarily work. Those of us
>who could see decades ago just where we were heading, if as a country we
>didn't stop being so stupidly 'tolerant', had to contend with naive idiots
>like you rambling on in their simplistic way on about us all being the same
>'under the skin' - as if it were that simple.
By the way, I have never argued that people are all the same under the
skin - I did argue that the differences were cultural, not genetic.
Farmer Giles
You can re-write it how you like - but, as I said, those of us who have been
around a while know the truth. And people like you are most definitely
'responsible'. You've changed your tune these days Maria, and changed it for
the better, but that doesn't alter the fact that you did your 'bit' as a
defender and advocate of multiculturism.We must be grateful for the 'sinner
that repenteth', but a little humility apropos your past views wouldn't be
at all out of place.
Stephen Glynn
> With the exception of stoning, hanging and the Royal family being driven
> into exile, parts of Britain have what you list below already. It's time to
> get medieval. Tolerance will only cause more deaths.
>
And in which parts of Britain do you say, for example, it is de facto
the case that 'All contact between the sexes [is] banned. Discos, bars,
public swimming pools, youth clubs - anywhere women and men could meet -
[have been] closed down. Sunbathing, beach holidays and all forms of
female sport have been] outlawed. Fashion magazines such as Vogue [can
only] be published if all images of female flesh [are] blacked out'?
Steve
Starry
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Maria
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>"Maria" <frus...@home.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:04:01 +0100, "Farmer Giles" <Gi...@ic24.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >We all want to be tolerant and live in a peaceful world, where everyone
>gets
>> >on together - but that isn't the way things necessarily work. Those of us
>> >who could see decades ago just where we were heading, if as a country we
>> >didn't stop being so stupidly 'tolerant', had to contend with naive
>idiots
>> >like you rambling on in their simplistic way on about us all being the
>same
>> >'under the skin' - as if it were that simple.
>>
>> By the way, I have never argued that people are all the same under the
>> skin - I did argue that the differences were cultural, not genetic.
>
>You can re-write it how you like - but, as I said, those of us who have been
>around a while know the truth.
But that is the truth.
And people like you are most definitely
>'responsible'. You've changed your tune these days Maria, and changed it for
>the better, but that doesn't alter the fact that you did your 'bit' as a
>defender and advocate of multiculturism.
i didn't even know what multiculturalism was - i just argued for
tolerance
We must be grateful for the 'sinner
>that repenteth', but a little humility apropos your past views wouldn't be
>at all out of place.
I've already said I was wrong - what more can I say. i am not a sinner
- i intended no harm. keyboard broken now
Starry
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parts of Oldham could soon be like that
I mean asians already assault and even kill u if u white (and get away with
it)
(in the past fortnight 3 attacks on women one of whom was a doctor(beaten
unconscious),another a teacher(attacked at traffic lights by asian male(in
muslim garb) with baseball bat)
usually a little story in corner of local rag
its an everyday thing round here
Stephen Glynn
Unfortunately, muggings and other attacks are not uncommon in many parts
of the country and are hardly carried out exclusively by Muslim
fundamentalists. I was asking, however, where in the UK we can find
the state of affairs that Gary Walker seems to think prevails in some
areas.
Steve
AlanG
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>07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
>THEM?
>Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
>
>IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
>took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
>
snipped loads of fantasy fear mongering. This typical of the shite the
tabloids put out. a far fetched scenario where the witches will get
you if you don't kill them first
>
>ALTHOUGH the attacks in London were deadly, they were not a repeat of
>9/11. The London attackers did not have the capacity to launch the
>same level of attack that resulted in the Twin Towers' collapse and a
>huge death toll.
>
>The relatively small amount of explosives used also suggests that the
>Islamic terror cell is small and isolated and without access to the
>sort of funds and ready supply of bomb- making material that
>characterised previous al-Qaeda attacks.
>
>On the surface, these elements suggest that the London attackers are
>likely to come from within Britain's own Islamic communities rather
>than be sleeper cells sent from abroad.
>
>Fighting such terror cells, and suicide bombers, is a huge
>intelligence task. By the time the terrorists are ready to plant the
>bombs it is too late.
>
>In a very brutal way, a suicide bomber is just a means of delivering a
>bomb and a puppet of the recruiters and organisers who send him.
No signs of suicide bombers in the UK. This nasty little journalist
is just trying to work on the emotions of the weak willed and stupid.
>
>The only real way to stop similar terrorist outrages is to find and
>eliminate the leaders while they are planning their atrocities.
>
>And the only real way to do that is to recruit a network of spies
>among the Islamic extremists in Britain and abroad.
>
>The bombings hint at a failure of MI5 to counter the Islamic terror
>threat. At the moment, MI5 and the Metropolitan police simply don't
>have enough Arabic-speaking officers to infiltrate the Islamic terror
>cells.
More bollox. Even if tehy had a thousand arabic speakers the chances
of one infiltrating a small cell is slim to non existent
>
>They simply don't have enough people who understand the language. And
>if you can't understand the language, how can you expect to understand
>the mindset of the enemy?
>
>The fuel for this home-grown fanaticism has been America's support for
>Israel in the Middle East and the invasion of Iraq.
>
>If the Arab-Israeli conflict was successfully resolved, this would
>weaken support for the fanatics' cause and help stabilise an inflamed
>region. But it would not make the threat disappear entirely.
Just enough truth in the article to help it along
>
>The men who planted bombs on London's Tube and a bus to kill and maim
>did so because they see everything about the West as corrupt and evil.
>Killing the innocent was just part of their greater crusade.
A bit like the christian fundies in USofA and their support for
Israeli policies.
>
>They think they are fighting for the future of the entire world, for a
>universal Islamic state that will rule every human life. We must do
>all in our power to destroy them before they try again to destroy our
>way of life.
>
You can't destroy them. You can make them irrelevant by solving the
problems that get them support.
>
AlanG
wrote:
Indeed.
Pure fantasy on a par with the 'perverts will snatch your children
through their computer'
I hate journalists.
Lowest form of life in the universe.
There is a circle of hell reserved for journalists where boiling piss
cascades down on them forever.
Starry
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why not?
fight fire with fire
or do u want to just rollover and play dead like some others on here
make peace ? how and do they want peace (there cards are on the table its
all or nothing for them)
AlanG
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>"AlanG" <inv...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:53:38 GMT, Maria <frus...@home.com> wrote:
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>> >They think they are fighting for the future of the entire world, for a
>> >universal Islamic state that will rule every human life. We must do
>> >all in our power to destroy them before they try again to destroy our
>> >way of life.
>> >
>> You can't destroy them.
>
>why not?
You have to find them first.
>fight fire with fire
You want to use terrorism against innocents?
Count me out
>or do u want to just rollover and play dead like some others on here
>make peace ? how and do they want peace (there cards are on the table its
>all or nothing for them)
>
See below.
You obviously have problems with the english language.
George Saden
Maria wrote:
> Just some evidence that Muslims were responsible for what happened
> will do for now. I'm not into rabble-rousing.
Who do you think did it then?
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
On the contrary, whether it was islamic terrorists who planted the
bombs is largely irrelevant, because the fact is that mozlems have said
they want to take over Britain in this way and everything is being done
to help them and nothing is being done to stop them. Therefore, there
IS every chance they will get their way.
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
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> On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 03:16:14 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >> 07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
> >> THEM?
> >> Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
> >>
> >> IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
> >> took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >The editor ought to be ashamed of himself, publishing such rot.
> >
> >1. There is no evidence that the evil people who bombed London want Britain
> >to become an Islamic republic.
> >2. Even if they did, there is no chance of them ever getting their way, so
> >why lead people up the garden path in this fashion?
> >
> >It's not news, it's propaganda.
> >
> Indeed.
> Pure fantasy on a par with the 'perverts will snatch your children
> through their computer'
It is NOT fantasy. Get your head out of the sand.
If you read "Not without my daughter" you will see that women can even
be victimised for having wrinkles in their socks! These people are
lunatics.
And here's an extract from an islamic website:
" If the Shari'ah was indeed implemented in Britain let us have no
doubts that Britain would look very different to what it does today.
The sale of alcohol or pork would be prohibited, gambling would be
outlawed. There would be no pubs ... Both men and women will be
required to cover themselves properly in public - with women wearing
the Khimar and Jilbab (headscarf and long barrel shaped dress) and men
covering at least from the navel to the knees at all times.
Segregation (between men and women) in all public places will be
enforced ... Judges would roam the streets and markets accompanied by
police to implement and maintain the Islamic public order ... The
Islamic judicial system would be implemented where adulterers would be
stoned to death and thieves would have their hands cut. There would be
no jury service or solicitors or barristers - rather Judges qualified
in Islamic Law would preside over all cases and Judge according to
God's law. The State will ensure that only the most qualified and
trustworthy Muslims will preside as Judges ... There would be
compulsory Islamic education for all with Arabic being the national
language so that the people can properly read and understand the
Qur'an. False ideas such as evolution and the equality of religions
and corrupt subjects such as music, drama and art would not be taught.
Rather every subject will be linked to the relationship with God and
new subjects such as Islamic concepts, Shari'ah law and Islamic
Jurisprudence will be introduced to the curriculum. Other subjects
such as science and mathematics will be cleansed of any concepts
contradictory to divine revelation. History from an Islamic
perspective will be studied. There will also be an emphasis upon boys
to have military training so that they can participate in Jihad after
they become 15 years old. " Al-Muhajiroun, The Voice, The Eyes &
The Ears of Muslims, P.O. Box 349 London N9 7RR
07956 600 569 or 07956 920 006 - Fax: 0208 803 4541 - Internet:
www.muhajiroun.com - almuhajiro...@hotmail.com
http://www.muhajiroun.com/press_release/250704_londistan.htm, 26th July
2004
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
AlanG wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:53:38 GMT, Maria <frus...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15717514&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=07-07--war-on-britain--so-what-do-they-want----and-how-do-we-stop-them---name_page.html
> >
> >07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
> >THEM?
> >Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
> >
> >IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
> >took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
cut
> >They think they are fighting for the future of the entire world, for a
> >universal Islamic state that will rule every human life. We must do
> >all in our power to destroy them before they try again to destroy our
> >way of life.
> >
> You can't destroy them. You can make them irrelevant by solving the
> problems that get them support.
Many academics who know about this have said that they do not become
terrorists because they have "problems" which we have to solve. They
become terrorists because they want islam to conquer the infidels.
The way to solve OUR problem is either to get rid of all the mozlems,
or deport all those who are here illegally and suppress islam amongst
the rest. This is not difficult: the political class have very nearly
succeeded in suppressing monoculturalism.
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
Stephen Glynn wrote:
> Gary Walker wrote:
> > With the exception of stoning, hanging and the Royal family being driven
> > into exile, parts of Britain have what you list below already. It's time to
> > get medieval. Tolerance will only cause more deaths.
> >
>
> And in which parts of Britain do you say, for example, it is de facto
> the case that 'All contact between the sexes [is] banned. Discos, bars,
> public swimming pools, youth clubs - anywhere women and men could meet -
It is beginning. Some swimming pools have sessions exclusively for
mozlem women. Compulsory school uniform has been abolished because of
islamic extremism, while in some schools the uniform is islamic garb.
Prat Charles is a closet mozlem, as is liar Blair.
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
That's the evil of multiculturalism.
Stephen Glynn
I wasn't aware that 'in some schools the uniform is islamic garb'
(unless, of course, you're thinking of private Muslim schools); where do
you say this is the case?
And, in any event, I don't quite see the parallel between some swimming
pools having sessions exclusively for Muslim (I think you'll find it's
generally 'Asian' rather than Muslim) women and banning public swimming
pools (let alone bars, youth clubs and the like) altogether. How does
providing a facility (single sex swimming sessions at particular times)
for them as wants it equate to trying to ban contact between the sexes
altogether? Presumably you're not of the opinion that the Carlton and
Garrick Clubs' bar on lady members is an indication of Islamic influence
on these bodies.
Steve
Stephen Horgan
>"Maria" <frus...@home.com> wrote in message
>news:q18uc1tedakok247u...@4ax.com...
>>
>http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15717514&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=07-07--war-on-britain--so-what-do-they-want----and-how-do-we-stop-them---name_page.html
>>
>> 07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
>> THEM?
>> Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
>>
>> IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
>> took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
>
>[snip]
>
>The editor ought to be ashamed of himself, publishing such rot.
>
>1. There is no evidence that the evil people who bombed London want Britain
>to become an Islamic republic.
There is plenty of it.
>2. Even if they did, there is no chance of them ever getting their way, so
>why lead people up the garden path in this fashion?
>
This is what the enemy wants. The British people deserve to be told
about it.
>It's not news, it's propaganda.
>
It's war, actually.
--
Stephen Horgan
"intelligent people will tend to overvalue intelligence"
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
Stephen Glynn wrote:
> hw...@freeispshares.co.uk wrote:
> >
> > Stephen Glynn wrote:
> >
> >>Gary Walker wrote:
> >>
> >>>With the exception of stoning, hanging and the Royal family being driven
> >>>into exile, parts of Britain have what you list below already. It's time to
> >>>get medieval. Tolerance will only cause more deaths.
> >>>
> >>
> >>And in which parts of Britain do you say, for example, it is de facto
> >>the case that 'All contact between the sexes [is] banned. Discos, bars,
> >>public swimming pools, youth clubs - anywhere women and men could meet -
> >
> >
> > It is beginning. Some swimming pools have sessions exclusively for
> > mozlem women. Compulsory school uniform has been abolished because of
> > islamic extremism, while in some schools the uniform is islamic garb.
> > Prat Charles is a closet mozlem, as is liar Blair.
> >
>
> I wasn't aware that 'in some schools the uniform is islamic garb'
> (unless, of course, you're thinking of private Muslim schools); where do
> you say this is the case?
The school that that mozlem girl attended already had islamic clothes
for the girls.
> And, in any event, I don't quite see the parallel between some swimming
> pools having sessions exclusively for Muslim (I think you'll find it's
> generally 'Asian' rather than Muslim) women and banning public swimming
> pools (let alone bars, youth clubs and the like) altogether. How does
> providing a facility (single sex swimming sessions at particular times)
> for them as wants it equate to trying to ban contact between the sexes
> altogether?
It's a start.
AlanG
>
>
>AlanG wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 03:16:14 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Maria" <frus...@home.com> wrote in message
>> >news:q18uc1tedakok247u...@4ax.com...
>> >>
>> >http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15717514&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=07-07--war-on-britain--so-what-do-they-want----and-how-do-we-stop-them---name_page.html
>> >>
>> >> 07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
>> >> THEM?
>> >> Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
>> >>
>> >> IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
>> >> took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
>> >
>> >[snip]
>> >
>> >The editor ought to be ashamed of himself, publishing such rot.
>> >
>> >1. There is no evidence that the evil people who bombed London want Britain
>> >to become an Islamic republic.
>> >2. Even if they did, there is no chance of them ever getting their way, so
>> >why lead people up the garden path in this fashion?
>> >
>> >It's not news, it's propaganda.
>> >
>> Indeed.
>> Pure fantasy on a par with the 'perverts will snatch your children
>> through their computer'
>
>It is NOT fantasy. Get your head out of the sand.
It is pure fiction
>If you read "Not without my daughter" you will see that women can even
>be victimised for having wrinkles in their socks! These people are
>lunatics.
What on earht has that got to do with the uk being an islamic
republic. It has as much relevance as all those novels about what
would have happened if Hitler had won WW2.
Have you ever read SS GB?
AlanG
>
>
>AlanG wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:53:38 GMT, Maria <frus...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15717514&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=07-07--war-on-britain--so-what-do-they-want----and-how-do-we-stop-them---name_page.html
>> >
>> >07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
>> >THEM?
>> >Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
>> >
>> >IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
>> >took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
>
>cut
>
>> >They think they are fighting for the future of the entire world, for a
>> >universal Islamic state that will rule every human life. We must do
>> >all in our power to destroy them before they try again to destroy our
>> >way of life.
>> >
>> You can't destroy them. You can make them irrelevant by solving the
>> problems that get them support.
>
>Many academics who know about this have said that they do not become
>terrorists because they have "problems" which we have to solve.
Which academics?
hw...@freeispshares.co.uk
AlanG wrote:
> On 10 Jul 2005 01:25:34 -0700, hw...@freeispshares.co.uk wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >AlanG wrote:
> >> On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:53:38 GMT, Maria <frus...@home.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15717514&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=07-07--war-on-britain--so-what-do-they-want----and-how-do-we-stop-them---name_page.html
> >> >
> >> >07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
> >> >THEM?
> >> >Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
> >> >
> >> >IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
> >> >took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
> >
> >cut
> >
> >> >They think they are fighting for the future of the entire world, for a
> >> >universal Islamic state that will rule every human life. We must do
> >> >all in our power to destroy them before they try again to destroy our
> >> >way of life.
> >> >
> >> You can't destroy them. You can make them irrelevant by solving the
> >> problems that get them support.
> >
> >Many academics who know about this have said that they do not become
> >terrorists because they have "problems" which we have to solve.
>
> Which academics?
Various over the past few years.
Stephen Glynn
>
> Stephen Glynn wrote:
>
>>hw...@freeispshares.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>>Stephen Glynn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gary Walker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>With the exception of stoning, hanging and the Royal family being driven
>>>>>into exile, parts of Britain have what you list below already. It's time to
>>>>>get medieval. Tolerance will only cause more deaths.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And in which parts of Britain do you say, for example, it is de facto
>>>>the case that 'All contact between the sexes [is] banned. Discos, bars,
>>>>public swimming pools, youth clubs - anywhere women and men could meet -
>>>
>>>
>>>It is beginning. Some swimming pools have sessions exclusively for
>>>mozlem women. Compulsory school uniform has been abolished because of
>>>islamic extremism, while in some schools the uniform is islamic garb.
>>>Prat Charles is a closet mozlem, as is liar Blair.
>>>
>>
>>I wasn't aware that 'in some schools the uniform is islamic garb'
>>(unless, of course, you're thinking of private Muslim schools); where do
>>you say this is the case?
>
>
> The school that that mozlem girl attended already had islamic clothes
> for the girls.
>
I don't quite follow how allowing a variation on a variation of school
uniform for Muslim girls to accommodate the requirements of this
particular girl's branch of Islam backs up your assertion that 'in some
schools the uniform is Islamic garb'. Are you saying that in some
schools girls who don't want to wear Islamic garb are forced to?
>
>>And, in any event, I don't quite see the parallel between some swimming
>>pools having sessions exclusively for Muslim (I think you'll find it's
>>generally 'Asian' rather than Muslim) women and banning public swimming
>>pools (let alone bars, youth clubs and the like) altogether. How does
>>providing a facility (single sex swimming sessions at particular times)
>>for them as wants it equate to trying to ban contact between the sexes
>>altogether?
>
>
> It's a start.
>
Is it? Do you also regard the fact that many private health clubs and
gyms have sessions for women only -- and, indeed, that there are many
that are only open to women -- is 'a start' towards a ban on contact
between the sexes altogether?
Steve
Stephen Glynn
Got names, have they?
Steve
Stephen Glynn
> The message <7cOze.7122$Dq....@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>
> from Stephen Glynn <stephe...@ntlworld.com> contains these words:
> >
>
>
>>Unfortunately, muggings and other attacks are not uncommon in many parts
>
>
> Steve, why is it everytime someone posts about immigrant crime, someone
> else chimes in with the obligitory "Yes but whites do it!!" ?
> Does this make it OK and in some perverse way cancel each others wrong
> doing out or something?
> FFS, my young un uses this arguement when he's been collared doing
> something he shouldn't be, and the "But young Septimus from down the
> road does it" is no defence.
Who was posting about "immigrant crime" and who was saying "Yes, but
whites do it?". Starry seemed to see muggings in Oldham as a sign it's
well on its way to becoming an Islamic republic. I was just suggesting
I don't muggings are a particularly good indicator, unless, perhaps, you
think muggings in Brixton are primarily carried out by militant Islamists.
Steve
librar...@*nospam*btinternet.com
<starr...@ntlworldnospam.com> wrote:
>> > With the exception of stoning, hanging and the Royal family being driven
>> > into exile, parts of Britain have what you list below already. It's time
>to
>> > get medieval. Tolerance will only cause more deaths.
>> >
>>
>> And in which parts of Britain do you say, for example, it is de facto
>> the case that 'All contact between the sexes [is] banned. Discos, bars,
>> public swimming pools, youth clubs - anywhere women and men could meet -
>> [have been] closed down. Sunbathing, beach holidays and all forms of
>> female sport have been] outlawed. Fashion magazines such as Vogue [can
>> only] be published if all images of female flesh [are] blacked out'?
>>
>> Steve
>
>parts of Oldham could soon be like that
But the OP said 'already', not 'could be soon'
--
cheers
matt
librar...@*nospam*btinternet.com
wrote:
>> 07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
>> THEM?
>> Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
>>
>> IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
>> took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
>
>[snip]
>
>The editor ought to be ashamed of himself, publishing such rot.
>
>1. There is no evidence that the evil people who bombed London want Britain
>to become an Islamic republic.
Not so. It's one of AQs demands.
>2. Even if they did, there is no chance of them ever getting their way, so
>why lead people up the garden path in this fashion?
>
>It's not news, it's propaganda.
Separate issue
--
cheers
matt
Dadge
> On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 03:16:14 GMT, "Adrian Bailey" <da...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> 07/07: WAR ON BRITAIN: SO WHAT DO THEY WANT? ..AND HOW DO WE STOP
> >> THEM?
> >> Terrorism Expert By Kevin Toolis
> >>
> >> IF the Islamic fanatics who bombed London ever achieved their aims and
> >> took power, Britain would become an Iranian-style Islamic Republic.
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >The editor ought to be ashamed of himself, publishing such rot.
> >
> >1. There is no evidence that the evil people who bombed London want Britain
> >to become an Islamic republic.
>
> Not so. It's one of AQs demands.
Then I missed it. Can you point me in the direction of a webpage that
gives that information?
> >2. Even if they did, there is no chance of them ever getting their way, so
> >why lead people up the garden path in this fashion?
> >
> >It's not news, it's propaganda.
>
> Separate issue
Que?
Adrian
matthe...@ntlworld.nospamta.com
>> >The editor ought to be ashamed of himself, publishing such rot.
>> >
>> >1. There is no evidence that the evil people who bombed London want Britain
>> >to become an Islamic republic.
>>
>> Not so. It's one of AQs demands.
>
>Then I missed it. Can you point me in the direction of a webpage that
>gives that information?
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html
--
cheers
matt
John Savard
>Yeah yeah, who are these simple minded folk who don't think anything is
>danergous untill they have "evidence" for it. When I hear that stupid phrase I
>can still see the face of a former government minister Gummer as he tried to get
>his young daughter to eat a beefburger before the link to mad cow diease had any
>"evidence" of transmission link to humans was possible.
Or when "they" were saying there was no evidence that AIDS could be
transmitted by blood transfusions...
John Savard
http://www.quadibloc.com/index.html
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