GREAT ARTICLE: The Next War -- Crossing The Rubicon February 11, 2006 By John Pilger
JAS
Has Tony Blair, the minuscule Caesar, finally crossed his Rubicon? Having
subverted the laws of the civilised world and brought carnage to a
defenceless people and bloodshed to his own, having lied and lied and used
the death of a hundredth British soldier in Iraq to indulge his profane
self-pity, is he about to collude in one more crime before he goes?
Perhaps he is seriously unstable now, as some have suggested. Power does
bring a certain madness to its prodigious abusers, especially those of
shallow disposition. In The March of Folly: from Troy to Vietnam, the great
American historian Barbara Tuchman described Lyndon B Johnson, the president
whose insane policies took him across his Rubicon in Vietnam.
"He lacked [John] Kennedy's ambivalence, born of a certain historical sense
and at least some capacity for reflective thinking," she wrote. "Forceful
and domineering, a man infatuated with himself, Johnson was affected in his
conduct of Vietnam policy by three elements in his character: an ego that
was insatiable and never secure; a bottomless capacity to use and impose the
powers of his office without inhibition; a profound aversion, once fixed
upon a course of action, to any contradictions."
That, demonstrably, is Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the cabal that
has seized power in Washington. But there is a logic to their idiocy - the
goal of dominance. It also describes Blair, for whom the only logic is
vainglorious. And now he is threatening to take Britain into the nightmare
on offer in Iran. His Washington mentors are unlikely to ask for British
troops, not yet. At first, they will prefer to bomb from a safe height, as
Bill Clinton did in his destruction of Yugoslavia. They are aware that, like
the Serbs, the Iranians are a serious people with a history of defending
themselves and who are not stricken by the effects of a long siege, as the
Iraqis were in 2003. When the Iranian defence minister promises "a crushing
response", you sense he means it.
Listen to Blair in the House of Commons: "It's important we send a signal of
strength" against a regime that has "forsaken diplomacy" and is "exporting
terrorism" and "flouting its international obligations". Coming from one who
has exported terrorism to Iran's neighbour, scandalously reneged on
Britain's most sacred international obligations and forsaken diplomacy for
brute force, these are Alice-through-the-looking-glass words.
However, they begin to make sense when you read Blair's Commons speeches on
Iraq of 25 February and 18 March 2003. In both crucial debates - the latter
leading to the disastrous vote on the invasion - he used the same or similar
expressions to lie that he remained committed to a peaceful resolution.
"Even now, today, we are offering Saddam the prospect of voluntary
disarmament . . ." he said. From the revelations in Philippe Sands's book
Lawless World, the scale of his deception is clear. On 31 January 2003, Bush
and Blair confirmed their earlier secret decision to attack Iraq.
Like the invasion of Iraq, an attack on Iran has a secret agenda that has
nothing to do with the Tehran regime's imaginary weapons of mass
destruction. That Washington has managed to coerce enough members of the
International Atomic Energy Agency into participating in a diplomatic
charade is no more than reminiscent of the way it intimidated and bribed the
"international community" into attacking Iraq in 1991.
Iran offers no "nuclear threat". There is not the slightest evidence that it
has the centrifuges necessary to enrich uranium to weapons-grade material.
The head of the IAEA, Mohamed ElBaradei, has repeatedly said his inspectors
have found nothing to support American and Israeli claims.
Iran has done nothing illegal; it has demonstrated no territorial ambitions
nor has it engaged in the occupation of a foreign country - unlike the
United States, Britain and Israel. It has complied with its obligations
under the Non-Proliferation Treaty to allow inspectors to "go anywhere and
see anything" - unlike the US and Israel. The latter has refused to
recognise the NPT, and has between 200 and 500 thermonuclear weapons
targeted at Iran and other Middle Eastern states.
Those who flout the rules of the NPT are America's and Britain's anointed
friends. Both India and Pakistan have developed their nuclear weapons
secretly and in defiance of the treaty. The Pakistani military dictatorship
has openly exported its nuclear technology. In Iran's case, the excuse that
the Bush regime has seized upon is the suspension of purely voluntary
"confidence-building" measures that Iran agreed with Britain, France and
Germany in order to placate the US and show that it was "above suspicion".
Seals were placed on nuclear equipment following a concession given, some
say foolishly, by Iranian negotiators and which had nothing to do with
Iran's obligations under the NPT.
Iran has since claimed back its "inalienable right" under the terms of the
NPT to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes. There is no doubt this decision
reflects the ferment of political life in Tehran and the tension between
radical and conciliatory forces, of which the bellicose new president,
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is but one voice. As European governments seemed to
grasp for a while, this demands true diplomacy, especially given the
history.
For more than half a century, Britain and the US have menaced Iran. In 1953,
the CIA and MI6 overthrew the democratic government of Muhammed Mossadeq, an
inspired nationalist who believed that Iranian oil belonged to Iran. They
installed the venal shah and, through a monstrous creation called Savak,
built one of the most vicious police states of the modern era. The Islamic
revolution in 1979 was inevitable and very nasty, yet it was not monolithic
and, through popular pressure and movement from within the elite, Iran has
begun to open to the outside world - in spite of having sustained an
invasion by Saddam Hussein, who was encouraged and backed by the US and
Britain.
At the same time, Iran has lived with the real threat of an Israeli attack,
possibly with nuclear weapons, about which the "international community" has
remained silent. Recently, one of Israel's leading military historians,
Martin van Creveld, wrote: "Obviously, we don't want Iran to have nuclear
weapons and I don't know if they're developing them, but if they're not
developing them, they're crazy."
It is hardly surprising that the Tehran regime has drawn the "lesson" of how
North Korea, which has nuclear weapons, has successfully seen off the
American predator without firing a shot. During the cold war, British
"nuclear deterrent" strategists argued the same justification for arming the
nation with nuclear weapons; the Russians were coming, they said. As we are
aware from declassified files, this was fiction, unlike the prospect of an
American attack on Iran, which is very real and probably imminent.
Blair knows this. He also knows the real reasons for an attack and the part
Britain is likely to play. Next month, Iran is scheduled to shift its
petrodollars into a euro-based bourse. The effect on the value of the dollar
will be significant, if not, in the long term, disastrous. At present the
dollar is, on paper, a worthless currency bearing the burden of a national
debt exceeding $8trn and a trade deficit of more than $600bn. The cost of
the Iraq adventure alone, according to the Nobel Prizewinning economist
Joseph Stiglitz, could be $2trn. America's military empire, with its wars
and 700-plus bases and limitless intrigues, is funded by creditors in Asia,
principally China.
That oil is traded in dollars is critical in maintaining the dollar as the
world's reserve currency. What the Bush regime fears is not Iran's nuclear
ambitions but the effect of the world's fourth-biggest oil producer and
trader breaking the dollar monopoly. Will the world's central banks then
begin to shift their reserve holdings and, in effect, dump the dollar?
Saddam Hussein was threatening to do the same when he was attacked.
While the Pentagon has no plans to occupy all of Iran, it has in its sights
a strip of land that runs along the border with Iraq. This is Khuzestan,
home to 90 per cent of Iran's oil.
"The first step taken by an invading force," reported Beirut's Daily Star,
"would be to occupy Iran's oil-rich Khuzestan Province, securing the
sensitive Straits of Hormuz and cutting off the Iranian military's oil
supply."
On 28 January the Iranian government said that it had evidence of British
undercover attacks in Khuzestan, including bombings, over the past year.
Will the newly emboldened Labour MPs pursue this? Will they ask what the
British army based in nearby Basra - notably the SAS - will do if or when
Bush begins bombing Iran? With control of the oil of Khuzestan and Iraq and,
by proxy, Saudi Arabia, the US will have what Richard Nixon called "the
greatest prize of all".
But what of Iran's promise of "a crushing response"? Last year, the Pentagon
delivered 500 "bunker-busting" bombs to Israel. Will the Israelis use them
against a desperate Iran? Bush's 2002 Nuclear Posture Review cites
"pre-emptive" attack with so-called low-yield nuclear weapons as an option.
Will the militarists in Washington use them, if only to demonstrate to the
rest of us that, regardless of their problems with Iraq, they are able to
"fight and win multiple, simultaneous major-theatre wars", as they have
boasted? That a British prime minister should collude with even a modicum of
this insanity is cause for urgent action on this side of the Atlantic.
With thanks to Mike Whitney. John Pilger's new book, Freedom Next Time, will
be published by Bantam Press in June
Ariadne
No-one with any discrimination would read
Pilchard.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18072
JAS
"Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
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>I can see why you have to shout.
>
> No-one with any discrimination would read
> Pilchard.
hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is respected by so
many peers?
I capitalized because I though that this was an important article.
abelard
typed:
>"Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
>news:1139712474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>I can see why you have to shout.
>>
>> No-one with any discrimination would read
>> Pilchard.
>
>hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is respected by so
>many peers?
naturally that is the reason...
it is estimated that over 90% of fossil media 'reporters' in the usa vote
left.
even mooron got an 'award'
these 'awards' are invariably politicised...only a complete dimmo would
be taken in by them...
i do hope you are not that dumb....
--
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KANGAROOISTAN
IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT AND INSIGHTFULL ARTICLE
PILGER GETS AWARDS COS HE KNOWS WOT HE IS TALKING ABOUT AND YOU CAN
CHECK HIS TRACK RECORD AGAINST ANY OTHER JOURNO IF YOU DOUBT HIS
INSIGHTS
THE PITY IS THE WESTERN MEDIA IS ABOUT PUSHING THE GOVT PROPAGANDA NOT
TELLING THE NEWS
AND IF THE WESTERN PUBLIC PREFER TO WATCH FOOTY OR BELIEVE THE
MAINSTREAM MEDIA SPIN DOCTORS THEY DESERVE FOR THEIR CHILDREN AND GRAND
CHILDREN TO PAY
ANY WAR ON IRAN WILL COST THE WEST DEARLY INDEED
AND THE WESTERN PUBLIC HAVE BEEN SO EASILY MISLED THAT IT IS POSSIBLLY
NATURES WAY OF REMOVING THE MENTALLY WEAK FROM THE GENE POOL
IF THE WEST DOES ATTACK IRAN
THE IRANIANS WILL CUT OFF THE WSTS OIL TILL IT FORCES THE WEST TO
COLLAPSE FROM A LONG DRAWN OUT ECONOMIC MELTDOWN
JAS
"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:50:24 +1300, "JAS" <jas...@yahoo.com>
>
> typed:
>
>>"Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
>>news:1139712474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>I can see why you have to shout.
>>>
>>> No-one with any discrimination would read
>>> Pilchard.
>>
>>hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is respected by
>>so
>>many peers?
>
> naturally that is the reason...
> it is estimated that over 90% of fossil media 'reporters' in the usa vote
> left.
If the democrats are called "left"
(and it is not 90%), well then the field has been pushed to the far right.
Perhaps you might want to back up you red neck insults with somefacts
John Sefton
"JAS" <jas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
> news:1139712474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>I can see why you have to shout.
>>
>> No-one with any discrimination would read
>> Pilchard.
>
> hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is respected by
> so many peers?
Do you place a lot of weight on WWE championship titles?
Arthur Brain
Pilger is a great reporter, for the very reason that he rejects the
usual journalistic orthodoxy of paraphrasing government spin/press
releases (and indeed choosing as "stories" those that are being
currently hyped by the spin machine).
What Pilger does is actually visits places and talks to people.
What he has proven (time and time again) to be BAD at is analysis - but
he does honestly report what he sees and hears and he defintely sees
and hears a lot more than most other journos.
Knocking Pilger is pretty much the "adult" equivalent of sticking your
fingers in your ears and saying "I CAN'T HEAR YOU, I CAN'T HEAR YOU...".
Chris X
"JAS" <jas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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RodneyK
oil supplies.
If Iran does fall, IF, then the Muslim pressure and threat to Israel
will be eased.
Which country will then take up the fight?
I hope it is the Saudis. An easy target.
RodneyK
John Sefton
"Arthur Brain" <arthur...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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You just said he ignored mainstream sources of information - sounds like
HE's the one with his fingers in his ears and saying "La! La! La!"
Chris X
"John Sefton" <jas...@nospam.westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Mainstream "sources" are lying sources.
Jag...@hotmail.com
Truly scary stuff.
.
Who wants to see the US crash economically?
.
. "Next month, Iran is scheduled to shift its petrodollars into a
. be significant, if not, in the long term, disastrous."
.
But who wants to be part of a pirate nation to prevent that?
.
Jag Pop
"...just a gd piece of paper"
- Bush, November 2005
John Sefton
"Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
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It's hard to tell if they're lying if you aren't listening to them.
Chris X
We have no choice but to "listen" - only idiots believe what they say,
however.
Max Hart
wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:50:24 +1300, "JAS" <jas...@yahoo.com>
>
> typed:
>
>>"Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
>>news:1139712474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>I can see why you have to shout.
>>>
>>> No-one with any discrimination would read
>>> Pilchard.
>>
>>hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is respected by so
>>many peers?
>
>naturally that is the reason...
>it is estimated that over 90% of fossil media 'reporters' in the usa vote
> left.
>
>even mooron got an 'award'
>these 'awards' are invariably politicised...only a complete dimmo would
> be taken in by them...
>
Actually Pilger is the only Aussie to win a UN award for journalism &
then he got a 2nd one which makes him the only one in the world with 2
UN awards.
He's un liked by many of the scared little types (like my favs the
anonymous posters) because he's always been in the face of the
Thatchers, Regans, Frasers, Hawkes & Bushes (1 & the other one)
Great article, thanks for posting
hummingbird
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>The Next War -- Crossing The Rubicon February 11, 2006 By John Pilger
>
>Has Tony Blair, the minuscule Caesar, finally crossed his Rubicon? Having
>subverted the laws of the civilised world and brought carnage to a
>defenceless people and bloodshed to his own, having lied and lied and used
>the death of a hundredth British soldier in Iraq to indulge his profane
>self-pity, is he about to collude in one more crime before he goes?
Excellent stuff! Here's a link to it:
http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2006-02/11pilger.cfm
One of Pilger's greatest strengths is that he has always been prepared
to highlight the role that past and present British Govts play in
helping the American Empire to expand by deception and force. It was
Thatcher in the 80s and Blair today. Doubtless it would be Cameron if
he gets into office.
Britain being a puppet of American corporate fascism is in the genes
of all our political parties.
[snip article]
--
NuLav and Tory contempt for honesty and integrity is
only exceeded by their contempt for the British people.
hummingbird
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:50:24 +1300, "JAS" <jas...@yahoo.com>
>
> typed:
>
>>"Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
>>news:1139712474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>I can see why you have to shout.
>>>
>>> No-one with any discrimination would read
>>> Pilchard.
>>
>>hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is respected by so
>>many peers?
>
>naturally that is the reason...
>it is estimated that over 90% of fossil media 'reporters' in the usa vote
> left.
Left being defined by you as anything to the left of American
corporate fascism.
btw - Pilger is not American. Did you miss that abelfraud sunset?
[rbu]
--
You have not been charged for this lesson.
Chris X
"hummingbird" <ZYLYDW...@spammotel.com> wrote in message
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LOL ! ;))
abelard
typed:
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:49:05 +0100, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:50:24 +1300, "JAS" <jas...@yahoo.com>
>>
>> typed:
>>
>>>"Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1139712474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>I can see why you have to shout.
>>>>
>>>> No-one with any discrimination would read
>>>> Pilchard.
>>>
>>>hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is respected by so
>>>many peers?
>>
>>naturally that is the reason...
>>it is estimated that over 90% of fossil media 'reporters' in the usa vote
>> left.
>>
>>even mooron got an 'award'
>>these 'awards' are invariably politicised...only a complete dimmo would
>> be taken in by them...
>>
>Actually Pilger is the only Aussie to win a UN award for journalism &
>then he got a 2nd one which makes him the only one in the world with 2
>UN awards.
ah yes....the un......one of the most corrupt organisations
on the planet..
that figures...
>He's un liked by many of the scared little types (like my favs the
>anonymous posters) because he's always been in the face of the
>Thatchers, Regans, Frasers, Hawkes & Bushes (1 & the other one)
>
>Great article, thanks for posting
--
abelard
<ZYLYDW...@spammotel.com>
typed:
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:49:05 +0100, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
> mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>
>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:50:24 +1300, "JAS" <jas...@yahoo.com>
>>
>> typed:
>>
>>>"Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1139712474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>I can see why you have to shout.
>>>>
>>>> No-one with any discrimination would read
>>>> Pilchard.
>>>
>>>hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is respected by so
>>>many peers?
>>
>>naturally that is the reason...
>>it is estimated that over 90% of fossil media 'reporters' in the usa vote
>> left.
>
>Left being defined by you as anything to the left of American
>corporate fascism.
ah yes....'corporate socialism'....what an 'interesting' notion....
how does one get to the left of the left buzzy.....unless you're potty
of course
>btw - Pilger is not American. Did you miss that abelfraud sunset?
perhaps you'd better work out who votes buzzy...
abelard
typed:
and the 'special bus' went past with hakky staring out the window
with his head lolling and his eyes a'rollling....
perhaps the admiring crowds will give him a wave of sympathy...
10 days and counting hakky...
abelard
<theo...@kangarooistan.com.au>
typed:
>
>JAS wrote:
>> "Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
>> news:1139712474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> >I can see why you have to shout.
>> >
>> > No-one with any discrimination would read
>> > Pilchard.
>>
>> hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is respected by so
>> many peers?
>>
>> I capitalized because I though that this was an important article.
>
>IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT AND INSIGHTFULL ARTICLE
ah....translation a nut case says it's 'important'....must therefore be
tripe...
abelard
typed:
>It's a very good article, and thought-provoking.
you sure chose your name well....though half is an excessive claim....
>Pilger is a great reporter, for the very reason that he rejects the
>usual journalistic orthodoxy
rejects the real world as well....
someone has to 'report' the alien abductions....
abelard
typed:
>
10 days and counting...
you still ejected from the party of bollox and bums hakky?
abelard
typed:
>Rxcellent article, thanks for posting !
hakky says it's good...sorry 'rhexellent'....
he even posted it again....
hakky is wrong about everything...therefore...
abelard
typed:
>Truly scary stuff.
>.
>Who wants to see the US crash economically?
then hide under your blankets before the aliens get you...
abelard
<ZYLYDW...@spammotel.com>
typed:
>Excellent stuff!
well, about time you learned to spell 'excellent'....even if you still
don't know what it means...
Chris X
Poor Fraudelard, reduced to *that* ! Political bankruptcy does *such* cruel
things to A Fraudelard's "mind".
Stephen Horgan
>It is hardly surprising that the Tehran regime has drawn the "lesson" of how
>North Korea, which has nuclear weapons, has successfully seen off the
>American predator without firing a shot.
There was never any real prospect of US military action against N.
Korea. That Pilger lauds a dictatorship that starves its people while
building nuclear weapons tells us all we need to know about his
values.
>During the cold war, British
>"nuclear deterrent" strategists argued the same justification for arming the
>nation with nuclear weapons; the Russians were coming, they said. As we are
>aware from declassified files, this was fiction, unlike the prospect of an
>American attack on Iran, which is very real and probably imminent.
Soviet aggression was 'fiction'? Tell that to the Hungarians, Czechs
and Afghans. There are no 'declassified files' that demonstrate that
the Soviets were nice guys after all and no threat to anyone. Pilger
spent the Cold War apologising for the USSR, and he has never
apologised for that.
I will make two predictions: there will be no attack on Iran anytime
soon, unless the Iranians provoke it, and the US economy will not
collapse because of Iranian financial machinations. Actually, it is
more likely that those will hurt the Iranian economy, which somehow
seems to deliver riches and military toys for its rulers while many
Iranians live in poverty and unemployment.
When neither of these things happen I also predict that Pilger will
not apologise for getting those wrong either.
--
Stephen Horgan
"intelligent people will tend to overvalue intelligence"
Chris X
"Stephen Horgan" <ste...@horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thanks Horgman - this post of yours will be kept for posterity (and your
future humiliation !)
RodneyK
"Fascists" is in itself revealing.
It reveals that the people who have access to the best intel.
support US 'fascism' as opposed to people like Pilger who can only guess.
No doubt Pilger is right about much of what he has written but the
people who have the power can write their own history too.
>> > .......................................... if only to demonstrate to the
>> > rest of us that, regardless of their problems with Iraq, they are able to
>> > "fight and win multiple, simultaneous major-theatre wars", as they have
>> > boasted? That a British prime minister should collude with even a modicum of
>> > this insanity is cause for urgent action on this side of the Atlantic.
US 'insanity' is a catch-phrase for "what is going on?" With that he
calls for urgent action - probably to replace Blair with someone more to
his liking. It's what all the lefties are crying for.
RodneyK
MM
>
>"Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
>news:1139712474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>I can see why you have to shout.
>>
>> No-one with any discrimination would read
>> Pilchard.
>
>hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is respected by so
>many peers?
>
> I capitalized because I though that this was an important article.
It is. Don't listen to the nutters. Anyone who refuses to countenance
Pilger's global recognition is a fool.
MM
abelard
reduced to what hakky?
pointing out that you have piss-poor judgement according to your own
'standards' and comments?
or asking you whether the bollix and bums have let you join up again after
ejecting you?
Chris X
Playground level nose-thumbing. But I'm sure you knew that, you crooked old
faker.
abelard
<ste...@horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk>
typed:
look here horgan....how many times do you have to be told that socialists
don't like facts...
using facts on socialists is a considerable lapse in manners...
regards....
abelard
typed:
indeed he is globally recognised....
so is typhoid...
abelard
why should that stop me pointing out that you have piss-poor judgement
according to your very own comments?
after all...i agree with you...you do have piss-poor judgement...
10 days and counting...
Chris X
I don't care how many days, Fraudelard. Fact is, the issue is fading away
into irrelevance, just as I predicted it would.
Just like you, in fact. Though whether you were ever "relevant" is a subject
open to much debate.
hummingbird
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:23:02 +0000, hummingbird
><ZYLYDW...@spammotel.com>
>
> typed:
>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:49:05 +0100, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
>> mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>>
>>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:50:24 +1300, "JAS" <jas...@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> typed:
>>>
>>>>"Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:1139712474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>I can see why you have to shout.
>>>>>
>>>>> No-one with any discrimination would read
>>>>> Pilchard.
>>>>
>>>>hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is respected by so
>>>>many peers?
>>>
>>>naturally that is the reason...
>>>it is estimated that over 90% of fossil media 'reporters' in the usa vote
>>> left.
>>
>>Left being defined by you as anything to the left of American
>>corporate fascism.
>
>ah yes....'corporate socialism'....what an 'interesting' notion....
You still can't read too well auroran abel-fraud sunset. Still, I
suppose getting one word right out of two is an improvement for you.
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hummingbird
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>On 12 Feb 2006 02:04:38 -0800, "Arthur Brain" <arthur...@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> typed:
>
>>It's a very good article, and thought-provoking.
>
>you sure chose your name well....though half is an excessive claim....
>
>>Pilger is a great reporter, for the very reason that he rejects the
>>usual journalistic orthodoxy
>
>rejects the real world as well....
>someone has to 'report' the alien abductions....
One article by Pilger is more useful and interesting than the complete
works of a webshite known as abelard.org. Too bad for you...
abelard
typed:
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>> why should that stop me pointing out that you have piss-poor judgement
>> according to your very own comments?
>> after all...i agree with you...you do have piss-poor judgement...
>> 10 days and counting...
>
>I don't care how many days,
nor do i hakky...
but i never did...
it was you who boasted that it would be gone by the 8th....
and that if it wasn't that would be a test of your piss-poor judgement...
i'm merely agreeing with you....
abelard
<ZYLYDW...@spammotel.com>
typed:
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:19:58 +0100, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
> mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>
>>On 12 Feb 2006 02:04:38 -0800, "Arthur Brain" <arthur...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>
>> typed:
>>
>>>It's a very good article, and thought-provoking.
>>
>>you sure chose your name well....though half is an excessive claim....
>>
>>>Pilger is a great reporter, for the very reason that he rejects the
>>>usual journalistic orthodoxy
>>
>>rejects the real world as well....
>>someone has to 'report' the alien abductions....
>
>One article by Pilger is more useful and interesting than the complete
>works of a webshite known as abelard.org. Too bad for you...
it is meet that you react that way buzzy...
it would be very troubling if you didn't....how else would people
recognise you as a fool if you stopped behaving as a fool...
Chris X
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:11:38 -0000, "Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk>
>
> typed:
>>
>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>
>>> why should that stop me pointing out that you have piss-poor judgement
>>> according to your very own comments?
>>> after all...i agree with you...you do have piss-poor judgement...
>>> 10 days and counting...
>>
>>into irrelevance, just as I predicted it would.
>>Just like you, in fact. Though whether you were ever "relevant" is a
>>subject
>>open to much debate.
> nor do i hakky...but i never did...
> it was you who boasted that it would be gone by the 8th....
> and that if it wasn't that would be a test of your piss-poor judgement...
> i'm merely agreeing with you....
Face facts, Fraudelard - nobody gives a toss about the issue anymore.
Except scum like you who want to use it as a scam to get support for more
illegal wars in the Middle East.
hummingbird
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:44:32 +0000, MM <kyli...@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> typed:
>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:50:24 +1300, "JAS" <jas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1139712474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>>I can see why you have to shout.
>>>>
>>>> No-one with any discrimination would read
>>>> Pilchard.
>>>
>>>hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is respected by so
>>>many peers?
>>>
>>> I capitalized because I though that this was an important article.
>>
>>It is. Don't listen to the nutters. Anyone who refuses to countenance
>>Pilger's global recognition is a fool.
>
>indeed he is globally recognised....
>so is typhoid...
So is poop. Lots of it here: wł.abelard.org.
onlyme
Fading fast as well!.......if you plotted a graph of column inches/tv
coverage of this....from Fri 3rd 'till now.....well the resultant slope is
not something you'd want to walk down!
And STILL no arrests!...save for the pretend bomber/real drug dealer who was
only out on licence.....
Stephen Horgan
So, you think that the US will be attacking Iran 'imminently' and that
Iranian action will wreck the US economy starting in the next few
weeks, to quote the position of your hero Pilger?
Comedy.
abelard
typed:
>
>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>news:b4quu11j6al86mbve...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:11:38 -0000, "Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk>
>>
>> typed:
>>>
>>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>
>>>> why should that stop me pointing out that you have piss-poor judgement
>>>> according to your very own comments?
>>>> after all...i agree with you...you do have piss-poor judgement...
>>>> 10 days and counting...
>>>
>>>Fraudelard. Fact is, the issue is fading away
>>>into irrelevance, just as I predicted it would.
>>>Just like you, in fact. Though whether you were ever "relevant" is a
>>>subject
>>>open to much debate.
>
>> nor do i hakky...but i never did...
>> it was you who boasted that it would be gone by the 8th....
>> and that if it wasn't that would be a test of your piss-poor judgement...
>> i'm merely agreeing with you....
>
>Face facts,
certainly i face the fact that you claimed that your boast would be a
useful test of whether you did indeed have piss-poor judgement
i merely agree....
10 days and counting....
Chris X
Yes, and I'll make another prediction Horgman - when the Moronicans *do*
attack Iran, filth like you will be avidly cheerleading them as they go
about their murderous business.
Chris X
> On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:03:38 -0000, "Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk>
>
> typed:
>>
>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>news:b4quu11j6al86mbve...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:11:38 -0000, "Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk>
>>>
>>> typed:
>>>>
>>>>"abelard" <abel...@abelard.org> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>> why should that stop me pointing out that you have piss-poor judgement
>>>>> according to your very own comments?
>>>>> after all...i agree with you...you do have piss-poor judgement...
>>>>> 10 days and counting...
>>>>
>>>>Fraudelard. Fact is, the issue is fading away
>>>>into irrelevance, just as I predicted it would.
>>>>Just like you, in fact. Though whether you were ever "relevant" is a
>>>>subject
>>>>open to much debate.
>>
>>> nor do i hakky...but i never did...
>>> it was you who boasted that it would be gone by the 8th....
>>> and that if it wasn't that would be a test of your piss-poor
>>> judgement...
>>> i'm merely agreeing with you....
>>
>>Except scum like you who want to use it as a scam to get support for more
>>illegal wars in the Middle East.
> certainly i face the fact that you claimed that your boast would be a
> useful test of whether you did indeed have piss-poor judgement
> i merely agree....
> 10 days and counting....
Fact is, the issue is fading away
abelard
ah good....i have now forced you into dishonestly trying
to change your position....
that was my first intent....
10 days and counting...
Jag...@hotmail.com
Let's see:
.
. 1) "no attack on Iran anytime soon, unless the
. Iranians provoke it"
. 2) "the US economy will not collapse because of Iranian
. financial machinations"
.
1) You really stuck your neck out with that one (mmmph).
. Under *any* circumstance you won't even have to open the abridged
. version of the Rhetoric Handbook to come up with:
. "they provoked it!"
2) "The Americans did it to themselves."
.
Am not familiar with your posts, but a very quick Google search
suggests that your rhetoric has been toned down.
.
.
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.politics.misc/msg/35f01d19e5a1374d?hl=en&
Jan 31, 2003 you posted:
.
. If Saddam gave up his obsessive desire to develop Weapons of Mass
. Destruction then this crisis would be over in a week.
.
. >There are worse things than war; but nothing is worse than a
. needless war.
.
. Fight now or fight later when Saddam's Iraq has nuclear weapons.
.
Jag Pop
"...just a gd piece of paper"
- Bush, November 2005
Chris X
abelard
no mister liar....you said if it wasn't gone by the 8th that would be a
good indication of your piss-poor judgement....
i fully agree with you for once.....
it is now the 12th and the issue is still having repercussions....
there was trouble over it in holland only yesterday....
it is estimated at least 14 people have been killed so far during
the disturbances
>Just like you, in fact. Though whether you were ever "relevant" is a subject
>open to much debate.
indeed it was and is highly relevant al-hakky.....
it is a definitive test of the claims that islam is peaceful...
it is a good test of their ability to live peacefully in the west...
it is a good indication of whether your likes should be trusted with
modern weapons
it is a good test of whether our police will act against your criminals
it is a good test of how cowed our fossil press has become...
and many other vital questions the west must ask of you...
but then you have of course both admitted and demonstrated that
you have piss-poor judgement...
your lie that the issue is 'dying away' is just more demonstration
of your piss-poor judgement
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=cartoons
Chris X
Worldwide. Big deal.
>>Just like you, in fact. Though whether you were ever "relevant" is a
>>subject
>>open to much debate.
>
> indeed it was and is highly relevant al-hakky.....
> it is a definitive test of the claims that islam is peaceful...
> it is a good test of their ability to live peacefully in the west...
> it is a good indication of whether your likes should be trusted with
> modern weapons
> it is a good test of whether our police will act against your criminals
"Your police" - you pathetic posturing old fraud ! LOL !
MM
>so is typhoid...
Maybe you recognise the deadly accuracy of much of his writing.
MM
onlyme
Quite...I'm sure more than that have died, as a result of accidently
stumbling across Abe's website ...and subsequently headbutting the monitor!
And I'm absolutely certain far more people die each day in our Rest
Homes....choking on their chopped liver.
Isn't it time Abe choked on his?
Chris X
"onlyme" <onlyme_...@home.com> wrote in message
news:dsnsnk$jk4$1...@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
Fruit Saladicide !
> And I'm absolutely certain far more people die each day in our Rest
> Homes....choking on their chopped liver.
> Isn't it time Abe choked on his?
That would be a fair assumption ;)
abelard
typed:
long ago i stopped reading his confused tripe...
i'd rather read yours...
if you wish to read his piffle that is your time and your privilege....
if you wish to cut sommat out of his rambling hysteria and present
it in reasonable english in your own words i may take the time to
discuss it with you....
i most certainly will not subject myself to reading his dead prose...
hummingbird
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:41:18 +1300, "JAS" <jas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>It is hardly surprising that the Tehran regime has drawn the "lesson" of how
>>North Korea, which has nuclear weapons, has successfully seen off the
>>American predator without firing a shot.
>
>There was never any real prospect of US military action against N.
>Korea. That Pilger lauds a dictatorship that starves its people while
>building nuclear weapons tells us all we need to know about his
>values.
And what does promoting the spread of greedy American imperialism from
behind a fake display of human compassion tell us about your values?
abelard
<ZYLYDW...@spammotel.com>
typed:
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:28:12 GMT, Stephen Horgan
><ste...@horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk>
> mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>
>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:41:18 +1300, "JAS" <jas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>It is hardly surprising that the Tehran regime has drawn the "lesson" of how
>>>North Korea, which has nuclear weapons, has successfully seen off the
>>>American predator without firing a shot.
>>
>>There was never any real prospect of US military action against N.
>>Korea. That Pilger lauds a dictatorship that starves its people while
>>building nuclear weapons tells us all we need to know about his
>>values.
>
>And what does promoting the spread of greedy American imperialism
why are you desperately trying to change the subject?
>from
>behind a fake display of human compassion tell us about your values?
why are you lying....? as usual.....
hummingbird
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:52:21 +0000, MM <kyli...@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> typed:
>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:04:30 +0100, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>so is typhoid...
>>
>>Maybe you recognise the deadly accuracy of much of his writing.
>
>long ago i stopped reading his confused tripe...
It's the way your head is wired up abelfraud. It is testimony to
your inflated ego that you have the gall to call his writings "tripe".
Whether people agree or not with Pilger's writings (many do), it's
infinitely more understandable than yours ever will be. It's his
ability to express information in easily understandable form which
makes him so highly read and listened to. Ditto Fisk.
I smell jealousy...
[rbu]
abelard
<ZYLYDW...@spammotel.com>
typed:
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:32:26 +0100, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
> mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>
>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:52:21 +0000, MM <kyli...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>
>> typed:
>>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:04:30 +0100, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>so is typhoid...
>>>
>>>Maybe you recognise the deadly accuracy of much of his writing.
>>
>>long ago i stopped reading his confused tripe...
>
>It's the way your head is wired up abelfraud. It is testimony to
>your inflated ego that you have the gall to call his writings "tripe".
>
>Whether people agree or not with Pilger's writings (many do)
many people also agree with alien abductions buzzy
>, it's
>infinitely more understandable than yours ever will be.
doubtless you find even the sun difficult to understand....
i expect that's why you read pillger
> It's his
>ability to express information in easily understandable form which
>makes him so highly read and listened to. Ditto Fisk.
even fisk writes english that is not as dire as pillger
though they do both write very similar tripe....
>I smell jealousy...
very likely...you probably even hear lightning and feel
extraordinarily silly....
it's due to bad genes....i doubt there's much can be done for you....
JAS
"Stephen Horgan" <ste...@horgan.REMOVETOREPLY.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fakuu1hqcmg1gujc6...@4ax.com...
>
>>It is hardly surprising that the Tehran regime has drawn the "lesson" of
>>how
>>North Korea, which has nuclear weapons, has successfully seen off the
>>American predator without firing a shot.
>
> There was never any real prospect of US military action against N.
> Korea. That Pilger lauds a dictatorship that starves its people while
> building nuclear weapons tells us all we need to know about his
> values.
OK... back to planet earth. Pilger never has "lauded" N. Korea, (any more
than Tony Blair has)!
>
>>During the cold war, British
>>"nuclear deterrent" strategists argued the same justification for arming
>>the
>>nation with nuclear weapons; the Russians were coming, they said. As we
>>are
>>aware from declassified files, this was fiction, unlike the prospect of an
>>American attack on Iran, which is very real and probably imminent.
>
> Soviet aggression was 'fiction'? Tell that to the Hungarians, Czechs
> and Afghans. There are no 'declassified files' that demonstrate that
> the Soviets were nice guys after all and no threat to anyone. Pilger
> spent the Cold War apologising for the USSR, and he has never
> apologised for that.
>
MM
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:52:21 +0000, MM <kyli...@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> typed:
>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:04:30 +0100, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>so is typhoid...
>>
>>Maybe you recognise the deadly accuracy of much of his writing.
>
>long ago i stopped reading his confused tripe...
Your loss.
MM
hummingbird
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:07:06 -0000, "Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk>
>
> typed:
>
>>Rxcellent article, thanks for posting !
>
>hakky says it's good...sorry 'rhexellent'....
Looks like you're having trouble with your spelling abelfraud.
abelard
typed:
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:32:26 +0100, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:52:21 +0000, MM <kyli...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>
>> typed:
>>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:04:30 +0100, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>so is typhoid...
>>>
>>>Maybe you recognise the deadly accuracy of much of his writing.
>>
>>long ago i stopped reading his confused tripe...
>
>Your loss.
devastating i'm sure..
i'd rather read quality fiction than his guff...
abelard
<ZYLYDW...@spammotel.com>
typed:
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:23:11 +0100, abelard <abel...@abelard.org>
> mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
>
>>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:07:06 -0000, "Chris X" <Chr...@postmaster.co.uk>
>>
>> typed:
>>
>>>Rxcellent article, thanks for posting !
>>
>>hakky says it's good...sorry 'rhexellent'....
>
>Looks like you're having trouble with your spelling abelfraud.
don't let it worry you buzzy...
you have troubles far beyond speeling...
Scuzza
news:1139726124.7...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> JAS wrote:
>> "Ariadne" <ari...@mac.hush.com> wrote in message
>> news:1139712474....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> >I can see why you have to shout.
>> >
>> > No-one with any discrimination would read
>> > Pilchard.
>>
>> hmmm. I suppose that is why he has won so many awards and is
>> respected by so
>> many peers?
>>
>> I capitalized because I though that this was an important article.
>
>
> PILGER GETS AWARDS COS HE KNOWS WOT HE IS TALKING ABOUT AND YOU CAN
> CHECK HIS TRACK RECORD AGAINST ANY OTHER JOURNO IF YOU DOUBT HIS
> INSIGHTS
Pilger is a prat who prefers to invent the news rather than report it.
I have no particular beef with him, but with all his kind, no matter
who their political masters happen to be today.
Yes, I know that everyone has bias and predisposition, but that is no
impediment to writing as if you had none.
All that takes is honesty, skill, and talent.
Pilger quite manifestly has some skill and talent: what then is he
lacking?