Robin Carmody
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Those who can, vote. Those who can't, whinge.
absolutely
hence the key words from Prince Charles - he is on the side of the
people and not the "project"
> or does the incorporation of a pop concert and the Notting Hill
>Carnival actually prove (this is my opinion BTW) that "modernism" has fully
>wormed its way into even the most traditional aspects of British society and
>that therefore Blair has actually been vindicated?
Happily no.
>
>Robin Carmody
>--
>Those who can, vote. Those who can't, whinge.
>
>
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peter
And to top it all, they symbolically blew the palace up at the end,
culminating in a vision where the ground opened up and the palace was
swallowed by volcanic lava!
Whoever dreamed it up, new what they were doing!
Is the monarchy modernising? no, they are simply reacting to a situation
that is out of their control. Pop culture is taking over, the concert was
not only proof of that but symbolic of it.
Rock stars and Celeb's are the new Royalty.
"her majesty is a pretty nice girl, someday I'm gonna make her mine . . . "
Paul McCartney
Alex
lies, damned lies and the Murdoch newsgroup
"peter" <Pe...@pwwatson.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Did you all see the "EDITORIAL OPINION" in the Telegraph. Its really
worth a read if you can wind your way through the maze.
It gives a run down on what's happened to all the other countires in
Europe NOT ONE has the stability that Britain has, and recalling a
post of Limbic's the other day its the royal family that keep the
continuity not the politicians who are only in power for a short time.
Prince Charles plugged that line too last night in his "Mummy" speech
(Did you hear the crowd absolutely roar when he said that ;-)
I wonder if Prince Charles /Princess Anne (I favour) or Prince William
got on their horse and read out the speech from Henry 5th brought on
by Jon how many would follow him against parliament (I do now it
wasn't parliament).just wondered???
http://www.walk-wales.org.uk/adelphi.htm
http://www.walk-wales.org.uk/orleans.htm
>Alex
>lies, damned lies and the Murdoch newsgroup
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peter
If any of them went that far (and I very seriously doubt it) then IMHO they
would destroy all the rebuilding they have done overnight.
Exactly how this whole thing has seemed to me.
> Rock stars and Celeb's are the new Royalty.
Weren't Diana and Fergie in the 80s on the cusp of this?
What effect do you think the jubilee will have on parliamentary business?
> > or does the incorporation of a pop concert and the Notting Hill
> >Carnival actually prove (this is my opinion BTW) that "modernism" has
fully
> >wormed its way into even the most traditional aspects of British society
and
> >that therefore Blair has actually been vindicated?
>
> Happily no.
But the incorporation of this sort of event into jubilee (or any other
royal) celebrations in 1977 would have been utterly unthinkable, beyond the
pale culturally. Would you not regard Blair as a key figure in the cultural
change that has brought us here?
Robin Carmody wrote:
> welsh witch <webmi...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:y28L8.125346$Oa1.12...@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com...
> >
> > I wonder if Prince Charles /Princess Anne (I favour) or Prince William
> > got on their horse and read out the speech from Henry 5th brought on
> > by Jon how many would follow him against parliament (I do now it
> > wasn't parliament).just wondered???
>
> If any of them went that far (and I very seriously doubt it) then IMHO they
> would destroy all the rebuilding they have done overnight.
None of them are that constitutionally stupid.
SusanC
Vulgar Canadian aren't you?
Confound their politics
(Filed: 04/06/2002)
This week, the Queen celebrates 50 years on the Throne, and her country
celebrates 50 years with a single head of state. Over that same period,
in Europe alone:
Spain has gone from being a fascist dictatorship via an absolute
monarchy to a parliamentary monarchy, with a failed military coup in
1981 and perennial republican agitation.
Greece, a monarchy until 1974, experienced seven years of dictatorship
under the Colonels after 1967, followed by an abortive naval mutiny and
the proclamation of a republic.
The Soviet Union has collapsed, spawning eight new republics and seven
dictatorships of varying severity.
Yugoslavia has fragmented, via three murderous wars, into six
republics, two of which are effectively sub-divided into smaller states.
East Germany has disappeared.
Belgium has had three constitutional dispensations, each seeking to
find a new balance between the component ethnic groups.
Czechoslovakia has been through the Prague Spring of 1968, renewed
Russian occupation, the Velvet Revolution of 1989 and eventual partition
into two states.
Portugal has moved from Right-wing absolutism via a brief flirtation
with Left-wing absolutism to republicanism, with six provisional
governments in the immediate aftermath of the 1974 revolution.
Poland, after the Solidarity unrest of 1981 and the eventual overthrow
of the communist regime has just re-elected the former communists.
Bulgaria, after communism and democracy, has just elected its former
king as prime minister.
France has had two republics, one unconstitutional change of
government, one near-revolution and the farce of the last presidential
election.
Italy has witnessed 52 governments, four high-profile political
assassinations and the criminal indictment of dozens of ministers and
two former prime ministers.
God Save the Queen!
>
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peter
>> > or does the incorporation of a pop concert and the Notting Hill
>> >Carnival actually prove (this is my opinion BTW) that "modernism" has
>fully
>> >wormed its way into even the most traditional aspects of British society
>and
>> >that therefore Blair has actually been vindicated?
>>
>> Happily no.
>
>But the incorporation of this sort of event into jubilee (or any other
>royal) celebrations in 1977 would have been utterly unthinkable, beyond the
>pale culturally. Would you not regard Blair as a key figure in the cultural
>change that has brought us here?
I think the celebrations reflected the fifty years of where the British
interests have been for the past fifty years.
Sex and drugs and rock and roll -
I think Blair got his lights punched last night and I hope he feels
terrible. The yougov poll places him and the wide mouthed frog as two
equally unpopular characters.
The first thing Blair did to the Crown was steal the Royal Yacht. That
to save 12 million a year so he said.
As he has managed to waste several billion this seems a remarkably bad
deal.
I think most British people see Blair for what he is and the Monarch for
what she is - and I know who they prefer.
>
>Robin Carmody
>--
>Those who can, vote. Those who can't, whinge.
>
>
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peter
sleeping softly...........
It is a shame HM did not speak - and say "As a thank you to the British
people I have a present for the nation." -
looks left "Prime Minister, would you step over here please".
(looks into handbag and picks out small Lady Smith)
I am bringing back Royal Execution -
(shoots Blair)
to rapturous applause
('Twas after all but a mid summer night's dream)
Unimaginative as all that Robin? I thought you were one of the liberal
elite and above such ripostes.
>
>Robin Carmody
>--
>Those who can, vote. Those who can't, whinge.
>
>
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peter
Well quite. It is the Witch's problem that she doesn't realise that.
Both notably absent this time round ................
perhaps it's a Royal Knock - out was too much after all. We don't want
our icons exposed too much or it might transpire that they are just like
us.
And we know what we think of us..........................
>Robin Carmody
>--
>Those who can, vote. Those who can't, whinge.
>
And those who have no one to vote for? What do they do?
>
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peter
krishan
krishan wrote:
> Since the barbarians are mainly made up of peasents with half a brain, they may
> like to be subjects of a racist and barbnarian queen and her savage husband, but
> we asians do not want to be their subjects, we are asian (Indian, sri lankan,
> pakistani, etc) NOT bloody british thanks to the fact we do not have right to
> even be a cabinet minister let alone PM.
You've forgotten about Keith Vaz, haven't you?
You are Alistair Campbell and I Claim My Five Pounds.
Gaz
I know he is. I was referring to "the Blair project" in the sense that
people identify it with cultural modernism (ie the pop concert and the
Notting Hill Carnival stuff as opposed to the more traditional jubilee
trappings). In my experience, extreme right-wing ultra-monarchist people
fear Blair for this reason as much as for his political aims.
>h from Henry 5th brought on
> by Jon how many would follow him against parliament (I do now it
> wasn't parliament).just wondered???
I would follow her once, becuase I think Parliament at present is full of
liars, spivs, traitors and charlatans, who serve the interests of themselves
and the people who buy their influence.
Gaz
> http://www.walk-wales.org.uk/adelphi.htm
> http://www.walk-wales.org.uk/orleans.htm
(cliche time)
At the end of the day, when all said and done, parliament is elected and the
monarchy isnt, the ultimate consent to govern is from the people. I think
people would follow the King/Queen in an exceptional set of circumstances,
but they better be right, otherwise their abolition would soon follow.
Anyone seen the superb 'To Play the King'?
Gaz
> Robin Carmody
Commonwealth has always been an important part of the celebrations, And,
since half of the commonwealth now live in London, it's much easier to
incorporate it into the celebrations.
You over estimate the influence a politician has on our lives.
Gaz
>
> Robin Carmody
> Having watched the concert in Buckingham palace, it gave me the impression
> that anarchists had gained control, they were running amok playing rock
> music and having a damn good time. They trashed the royal backgarden while
> Brian May ceremoniously did a Jimi Hendrix with the National anthem on top
> of the palace roof!. While this was going on, the royals were forced to
> watch (though the 2 lads seemed to be amused)
>
> And to top it all, they symbolically blew the palace up at the end,
> culminating in a vision where the ground opened up and the palace was
> swallowed by volcanic lava!
>
> Whoever dreamed it up, new what they were doing!
>
> Is the monarchy modernising? no, they are simply reacting to a situation
> that is out of their control. Pop culture is taking over, the concert was
> not only proof of that but symbolic of it.
>
> Rock stars and Celeb's are the new Royalty.
>
> "her majesty is a pretty nice girl, someday I'm gonna make her mine . . .
"
> Paul McCartney
>
> Alex
Either you are trying to put a good face on it - or you are pulling our
legs !
Blair and his "EU" Marxist scum have been totally and utterly defeated.
Blair is a dead duck.
The "EU" is history.
The Queen has shown herself more than a match for
both of them.
The Marxist traitors are running for cover as fast as they
can go.
A specific URL would help. (Not the home page, but the URL of the
actual article you're referring to.)
>It gives a run down on what's happened to all the other countires in
>Europe NOT ONE has the stability that Britain has,
Perhaps it's the lack of context, but that makes no sense at all.
Switzerland is an obvious example of a stable country, and so are
the Scandinavian monarchies and Finland (which is neither
Scandinavian nor a monarchy :-). Others can perhaps be listed.
--
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http://oakroadsystems.com
Royalty FAQs:
1. http://www.heraldica.org/faqs/britfaq.html
2. http://www.heraldica.org/faqs/atrfaq.htm
more FAQs: http://oakroadsystems.com/tech/faqget.htm
LOL! ROTFLOL!! He is a Queen, I'll grant you that!
>"The Blair Project" is contained in the Labour Party manifesto for
>2001.
>
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peter
Not fear, Robin: loathe.
>Those who can, vote. Those who can't, whinge.
Remember those who use the term "extreme right wing" only see it this
way as they occupy the extreme left wing.
It is all a matter of perspective.
>
>
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peter
OR maybe we patriotic centralists just think Blair is a silly schoolboy
who should not be allowed to destroy our country by his stupid habit of
appointing his kleptocratic "mates" to responsible jobs..........
In article <ms63d...@4ax.com>, None <no...@hotmail.com> writes
>
> "The whole project was costed in December 2001 at 789m",
> the National Audit Office said.
>
> "Over the next 20 years, the government _could_ receive up
> to 550m [from the Dome deal]", boasted Lord Falconer...
>
>
> 798m - 550m = a minimum loss of 248m.
>
>
> "This [ 248m loss ] represents excellent value for money",
> retorted an angry Lord Falconer when challenged to explain
> his figures in the Lords.
>
>
>Poor old Falconer. Dementia can be so cruel.
New Labour - New Lice
>Those who can, vote. Those who can't, whinge.
>
>
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peter
Thankfully they prefer Blair.
--
Jeff George
Soy El Diablo Gringo Supremo (Loco)
uh, no, but never mind
What are you pansy fops going to do when the monarchy is abolished?
The future of that subversive Scottish bastard is highly uncertain.
The people do not fear the flea Blair.
They detest him - and they will destroy him.
(I note that the terrified ultra left Blairite marxist scum, who have
consistently betrayed our country and consistently sought its
destruction, along with that of our monarch, are now seeking shelter
behind The Queen.
lost your sense of humour ?
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peter
>In article <adjjh9$11i84o$1...@ID-49507.news.dfncis.de>, "Gazzz"
><REMOVEME...@lycos.co.uk> wrote:
>> welsh witch wrote:
>>
>> >h from Henry 5th brought on
>> > by Jon how many would follow him against parliament (I do now it
>> > wasn't parliament).just wondered???
>>
>> I would follow her once, becuase I think Parliament at present is full of
>> liars, spivs, traitors and charlatans, who serve the interests of themselves
>> and the people who buy their influence.
>
>I agree, the Tories really are useless. Good job the Labour benches are
>full of such good people.
'Good' as in dog meat?
--
Alan G
The rule of law 'excludes the idea of any exemption
of officials or others from the duty of obedience to
the law which governs other citizens or from the
jurisdiction of the ordinary tribunals'
(Dicey)
ooh you are awful!
--
peter
> (I note that the terrified ultra left Blairite marxist scum, who have
> consistently betrayed our country and consistently sought its
> destruction, along with that of our monarch, are now seeking shelter
> behind The Queen.
If you think that "Blairite" has anything at all to do with "ultra-left"
or "marxist" then you _really_ don't understand politics at all.
Dave...
[ultra left wing, Blair-hating]
--
...she opened strange doors that we'd never close again
he is right -
On the political compass test Blair and Thatcher appear to occupy the
same place in the NE quadrant. Surprisingly I appear to the upper left
of the center in the same place as Peter Hitchens.
And I also have real socialist friends who detest Blair
Blair is a man without any beliefs whatever other than retention of
power.
There is no longer a political meaning to the jubilee celerbrations.
the monarchy has long given up its right to rule britania. It is time
that this country moved forward and became a republic.
susan
The expression on Blair's face gives the lie to that - he looked like he
was choking on a brick - and the wide mouthed frog didn't look too
enamoured either.
>the monarchy has long given up its right to rule britania.
LOL! Who says?
> It is time
>that this country moved forward and became a republic.
>
but then it would not have anything to attract tourists -
bad weather
lousy transport
over priced everything
clogged roads
mediocre food
hardly matches the delights to be found in the Sierra Nevadas or Ciudad
Real or the beauty of La Belle France
>susan
>Blair is a man without any beliefs whatever other than retention of
>power.
In other words, a politician.
Then why in the world are you living in HM's realms???
: we are asian (Indian, sri lankan, pakistani, etc)
So why are you not in one of those republics?
: NOT bloody british thanks to the fact we do not have right to
: even be a cabinet minister let alone PM.
HM can name ANYONE a Cabinet minister,but someone who refuses
to acknowledge her authority would be a terrible choice.
: krishan
: Robin Carmody wrote:
:> Do you think they have any? Is it in any way a setback to the Blair
:> project, or does the incorporation of a pop concert and the Notting Hill
:> Carnival actually prove (this is my opinion BTW) that "modernism" has fully
:> wormed its way into even the most traditional aspects of British society and
:> that therefore Blair has actually been vindicated?
:>
:> Robin Carmody
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