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Dave Smith
May 20, 2012, 5:19:01 AM5/20/12
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Apparently, Alain De Botton thinks pornography can be made more morally respectable and life-enhancing, but it's not clear to me what sort of material he has in mind.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/alain-de-botton-to-explore-the-consolations-of-pornography-7766850.html
Dave Smith
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/alain-de-botton-to-explore-the-consolations-of-pornography-7766850.html
Dave Smith
Peter Brooks
May 20, 2012, 9:33:50 AM5/20/12
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On May 20, 11:19 am, Dave Smith <davidelliottsm...@btinternet.com>
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We shall have to look at their 'better porn' website when I appears.
In the mean time I suppose that we'll have to investigate what is on
offer now for comparison purposes
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> Apparently, Alain De Botton thinks pornography can be made more morally respectable and life-enhancing, but it's not clear to me what sort of material he has in mind.
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> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-ne...
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We shall have to look at their 'better porn' website when I appears.
In the mean time I suppose that we'll have to investigate what is on
offer now for comparison purposes
Garret K
May 20, 2012, 7:01:59 PM5/20/12
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On May 20, 4:19 am, Dave Smith <davidelliottsm...@btinternet.com>
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> Dave Smith
Alain De Botton: “No longer would sexuality have to be lumped together
with stupidity, brutishness, earnestness and exploitation; it could
instead be harnessed to what is noblest in us.”
That's like suggesting hip-hop music could acquire melody or abandon
monotone completely, along with gangsta' attitude. Bad-boy values are
tops when it comes to sales. A wuss like De Botton should learn to
live with the natural order of things and stop being envious of the
bounty that his personality betters receive, whether in bad-ass porn
or real-life.
"Why Women Chose Bad Boys: Ovulating Women Perceive Sexy Cads as Good
Dads": Nice guys do finish last at least when it comes to procreation
according to a study from The University of Texas at San Antonio that
answers the question of why women choose bad boys....
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120514134301.htm
Ron Jeremy during an old Jerry Springer episode: "Seriously, though,
if this chick over here has been with him for two years and actually
hated his guts the whole time, then she could have a future as a porn
actress. The girls I employ in my films don't like the guys they have
sex with either."
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> Apparently, Alain De Botton thinks pornography can be made more morally respectable and life-enhancing, but it's not clear to me what sort of material he has in mind.
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-ne...
>
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> Dave Smith
Alain De Botton: “No longer would sexuality have to be lumped together
with stupidity, brutishness, earnestness and exploitation; it could
instead be harnessed to what is noblest in us.”
That's like suggesting hip-hop music could acquire melody or abandon
monotone completely, along with gangsta' attitude. Bad-boy values are
tops when it comes to sales. A wuss like De Botton should learn to
live with the natural order of things and stop being envious of the
bounty that his personality betters receive, whether in bad-ass porn
or real-life.
"Why Women Chose Bad Boys: Ovulating Women Perceive Sexy Cads as Good
Dads": Nice guys do finish last at least when it comes to procreation
according to a study from The University of Texas at San Antonio that
answers the question of why women choose bad boys....
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120514134301.htm
Ron Jeremy during an old Jerry Springer episode: "Seriously, though,
if this chick over here has been with him for two years and actually
hated his guts the whole time, then she could have a future as a porn
actress. The girls I employ in my films don't like the guys they have
sex with either."
Dave Smith
May 21, 2012, 6:00:10 PM5/21/12
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On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:01:59 AM UTC+1, Garret K wrote:
> On May 20, 4:19 am, Dave Smith <davidelliottsm...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
> > Apparently, Alain De Botton thinks pornography can be made more morally >
> On May 20, 4:19 am, Dave Smith <davidelliottsm...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
> > Apparently, Alain De Botton thinks pornography can be made more morally >
> "Why Women Chose Bad Boys: Ovulating Women Perceive Sexy Cads as Good
> Dads": Nice guys do finish last at least when it comes to procreation
> according to a study from The University of Texas at San Antonio that
> answers the question of why women choose bad boys....
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120514134301.htm
The study appears to confound variables by contrasting 'sexy cads' with 'nice guys'. It would be better to compare reliable with unreliable, ambitious with unambitious, assertive with unassertive, etc.
> Dads": Nice guys do finish last at least when it comes to procreation
> according to a study from The University of Texas at San Antonio that
> answers the question of why women choose bad boys....
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120514134301.htm
If 'nice guys' do finish last in the procreation stakes why aren't they extinct by now?
Dave Smith
Garret K
May 22, 2012, 2:02:28 AM5/22/12
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On May 21, 5:00 pm, Dave Smith <davidelliottsm...@btinternet.com>
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Gay men would then accordingly be in even more trouble, if there was
really a gene for homosexuality that had to be passed-on by them
instead of chance hormonal imbalances during embryonic development
being responsible; or having to rely on a sister, carrying the same
with no effect upon her, doing the transmitting to future generations.
In that kind of scenario, an evolutionary function for gay men in
traditional cultures would be to assist in the care of relatives, like
nieces and nephews. The function for straight "nice guys" and harmless
losers would be to serve as husbands for the aging, twisted-for-bad-
boy chicks as they lost their attractiveness to the BBs, and needed
reliable or gullible males to look after them when they were dying of
breast cancer later on.
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really a gene for homosexuality that had to be passed-on by them
instead of chance hormonal imbalances during embryonic development
being responsible; or having to rely on a sister, carrying the same
with no effect upon her, doing the transmitting to future generations.
In that kind of scenario, an evolutionary function for gay men in
traditional cultures would be to assist in the care of relatives, like
nieces and nephews. The function for straight "nice guys" and harmless
losers would be to serve as husbands for the aging, twisted-for-bad-
boy chicks as they lost their attractiveness to the BBs, and needed
reliable or gullible males to look after them when they were dying of
breast cancer later on.
Dave Smith
May 22, 2012, 5:42:52 AM5/22/12
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Dave Smith
Garret K
May 22, 2012, 2:43:42 PM5/22/12
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On May 22, 4:42 am, Dave Smith <davidelliottsm...@btinternet.com>
What's wild is nice-guys or most any formal or informal classification
of character disposition having to procreate in order to persist,
barring it being one exclusively dependent upon a specific inherited
condition and manifesting in no other way. Like homosexuals, nice guys
would still crop up in the population, regardless. In reverse manner,
the Michael Corleone type son of a real mob boss could surely have had
the potential to be less cutthroat under different childhood and
environmental background circumstances. Hitler could easily be
substituted -- veered from his original pussyhood by cowboy novels,
negative encounters with Jews, military service, and a distaste
growing into revenge of post-WWI treatment of Germany.
Unknowingly selecting for less adrenaline production yielded dogs
tamer than than their wolf ancestors, as well as diversity in fur
color. But even the populations originating from this example of early
"folk eugenics for animals" still produces vicious dogs, whether from
mistreatment, training, a feral puppyhood, or atavism from chance
mutation. Switcharoo again, a population of deliberately bred canines
with bad attitude would still produce some sub-standard "wimps" that
would have to be culled-out by a breeder company making high promises
intended to truly be met.
of character disposition having to procreate in order to persist,
barring it being one exclusively dependent upon a specific inherited
condition and manifesting in no other way. Like homosexuals, nice guys
would still crop up in the population, regardless. In reverse manner,
the Michael Corleone type son of a real mob boss could surely have had
the potential to be less cutthroat under different childhood and
environmental background circumstances. Hitler could easily be
substituted -- veered from his original pussyhood by cowboy novels,
negative encounters with Jews, military service, and a distaste
growing into revenge of post-WWI treatment of Germany.
Unknowingly selecting for less adrenaline production yielded dogs
tamer than than their wolf ancestors, as well as diversity in fur
color. But even the populations originating from this example of early
"folk eugenics for animals" still produces vicious dogs, whether from
mistreatment, training, a feral puppyhood, or atavism from chance
mutation. Switcharoo again, a population of deliberately bred canines
with bad attitude would still produce some sub-standard "wimps" that
would have to be culled-out by a breeder company making high promises
intended to truly be met.
Lance
May 22, 2012, 4:35:05 PM5/22/12
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to the next generation? This is the sort of nonsense that makes so
many people despise evolutionary psychology.
Lance
Dave Smith
May 22, 2012, 6:35:12 PM5/22/12
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Caring for one's family and kin, pair-bonding, co-operating with others, etc., are not signs of weakness they are signs of humanity.
Dave Smith
Peter Brooks
May 23, 2012, 2:47:59 AM5/23/12
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On May 23, 12:35 am, Dave Smith <davidelliottsm...@btinternet.com>
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which he argues that altruism is one of the prerequisites for
eusociality. [Wilson translates 'eusocial' as 'true social', whilst I,
and the OED, understand it more as 'good social' {as 'euthanasia' is a
'good death'}]
Interestingly, Wilson sees the main trigger for the formation of a
eusocial species as a defensible, shared nest - many non-eusocial
creatures share characteristics, including altruism, without becoming
eusocial, few, if any, have defensible, shared nests.
I have been stuck by how important camp fires, or their equivalent (a
huddle of chairs around a fireplace or a bbq), are to humans, and it
makes sense as they're the original nests. I notice how, even in the
largest, most opulent, houses, the place where people actually spend
their social time is in a cosy nook less than three metres in
diameter. Apart from the smoke problem, the traditional Zulu beehive
hut seems to be the ideal structure.
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> Caring for one's family and kin, pair-bonding, co-operating with others, etc., are not signs of weakness they are signs of humanity.
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I'm enjoying E.O.Wilson's book 'The Social Conquest of Earth', in
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which he argues that altruism is one of the prerequisites for
eusociality. [Wilson translates 'eusocial' as 'true social', whilst I,
and the OED, understand it more as 'good social' {as 'euthanasia' is a
'good death'}]
Interestingly, Wilson sees the main trigger for the formation of a
eusocial species as a defensible, shared nest - many non-eusocial
creatures share characteristics, including altruism, without becoming
eusocial, few, if any, have defensible, shared nests.
I have been stuck by how important camp fires, or their equivalent (a
huddle of chairs around a fireplace or a bbq), are to humans, and it
makes sense as they're the original nests. I notice how, even in the
largest, most opulent, houses, the place where people actually spend
their social time is in a cosy nook less than three metres in
diameter. Apart from the smoke problem, the traditional Zulu beehive
hut seems to be the ideal structure.
Dave Smith
May 23, 2012, 5:49:54 AM5/23/12
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Dave Smith
Peter Brooks
May 23, 2012, 9:09:05 AM5/23/12
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Dave Smith
May 24, 2012, 5:07:32 AM5/24/12
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I don't see a problem with group selection from a theoretical point of view, the issue seems to be whether or to what extent it occurs in practice. I don't know the details of how E.O. Wilson's theorising departs from the theorising of D.S. Wilson, who has been arguing for a multilevel approach for some time now.........
Dave Smith
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