Seven Minutes In Heaven Game
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Anna
dark closet for seven minutes. While you are in there the two of you are
supposed to make out. This is usually played at teenage parties.
Hannah Werdmuller
>You get partnered up with someone of the opposite sex. Then you go into a
>dark closet for seven minutes. While you are in there the two of you are
>supposed to make out. This is usually played at teenage parties.
The subtlety of this just amazes me. :)
Surely there's *some* sort of game system?
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> The subtlety of this just amazes me. :)
*Nods*
Whatever happened to spin the bottle? ;p At least you could *pretend*
there was a method to it ;p
Tim Bray
Anna wrote:
>
> You get partnered up with someone of the opposite sex. Then you go into a
> dark closet for seven minutes. While you are in there the two of you are
> supposed to make out. This is usually played at teenage parties.
I shall try and remember this one if we are all extremely pissed on New
Years Eve :)
Tim
Hannah Werdmuller
>> The subtlety of this just amazes me. :)
>*Nods*
>Whatever happened to spin the bottle? ;p At least you could *pretend*
>there was a method to it ;p
Well, there was if you weighted the bottle. Presumably. I personally never
had the imagination :P
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Benjamin
>You get partnered up with someone of the opposite sex. Then you go into a
>dark closet for seven minutes. While you are in there the two of you are
>supposed to make out. This is usually played at teenage parties.
a more exciting variation is the Seven Minutes *To* Heaven game, which
is much the same except that the closet is padlocked and submerged into
a large tank of water.
apparently my sweet little sister hannah's male friends when they have
sleepovers play the wet biscuit game, read porn mags and suck on cigars.
so that's nice then.
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>>You get partnered up with someone of the opposite sex. Then you go into a
>>dark closet for seven minutes. While you are in there the two of you are
>>supposed to make out. This is usually played at teenage parties.
>a more exciting variation is the Seven Minutes *To* Heaven game, which
>is much the same except that the closet is padlocked and submerged into
>a large tank of water.
>apparently my sweet little sister hannah's male friends when they have
>sleepovers play the wet biscuit game, read porn mags and suck on cigars.
>so that's nice then.
Hmmmmmm. They are silly. Last sleepover I had involved simply talking to
each other. Porn was not even mentioned, the subject of girls almost
completely stepped around, and drugs of any sort were given wide berth,
simply because they were not necessary.
And I bet I enjoyed myself more than they did, too.
/me adamant
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Anna
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> On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:21:23 -0500 that person Anna
> <lbri...@nimbus.ocis.temple.edu>said summat like this :
> >You get partnered up with someone of the opposite sex. Then you go into a
> >dark closet for seven minutes. While you are in there the two of you are
> >supposed to make out. This is usually played at teenage parties.
>
> That sounds like a good game. Unless you are trapped with a
> gingerminger.
>
> How come all i ever played at parties was pass the parcel. And I never
> won.
Don't feel left out, I've never played it either. I just know what it is
from t.v. and stuff. Most of the parties I've been to didn't play '7
Minutes in Heaven' but sometimes 'Spin the Bottle' was. I never played
though. The first time I was either 11 or 12 and I didn't want to play
because I had never had my first kiss (french). The other 2 or 3 times I
didn't play was basically because I wasn't really looking forward to
kissing any of the boys that were at the party. Now I'm 16 so really
those games aren't played anymore. People just make out if they want to.
Anna
Thomas Reimer
> Don't feel left out, I've never played it either. I just know what it is
> from t.v. and stuff. Most of the parties I've been to didn't play '7
> Minutes in Heaven' but sometimes 'Spin the Bottle' was. I never played
> though. The first time I was either 11 or 12 and I didn't want to play
> because I had never had my first kiss (french). The other 2 or 3 times I
> didn't play was basically because I wasn't really looking forward to
> kissing any of the boys that were at the party. Now I'm 16 so really
> those games aren't played anymore. People just make out if they want to.
>
> Anna
Most of the parties I go to, the whole party is in Heaven, forget the 7 minutes.
Who needs a bottle to tell you - who - you will make out with?
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Karim Adab
On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:21:23 -0500 that person Anna
<lbri...@nimbus.ocis.temple.edu>said summat like this :
>You get partnered up with someone of the opposite sex. Then you go into a
>dark closet for seven minutes. While you are in there the two of you are
>supposed to make out. This is usually played at teenage parties.
That sounds like a good game. Unless you are trapped with a
gingerminger.
How come all i ever played at parties was pass the parcel. And I never
won.
Cheers,
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..and Benjamin <b...@GAHspiremagazine.com> wrote:
> apparently my sweet little sister hannah's male friends when they have
> sleepovers play the wet biscuit game, read porn mags and suck on cigars.
That's disgusting, actually, the first time I heard of it was from some
French guys. I thought "hell why would anyone do that". I told some of my
friends here in Germany about it, and it turned out it's widely known here,
and they were flabbergasted I had never played it.
Actually, I really don't want to. It's always good to figure there's a
disgusting thing others had to go through whereas you hadn't ;)
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edu>, Anna <lbri...@nimbus.ocis.temple.edu> writes
>Most of the parties I've been to didn't play '7
>Minutes in Heaven' but sometimes 'Spin the Bottle' was.
I never played that either. My cousin did. I was jealous.
But most of the lads I knew were minging so I consider it to be a lucky
escape now.
> The first time I was either 11 or 12 and I didn't want to play
>because I had never had my first kiss (french).
why do they call it french kissing? French people kiss each other on
the cheek, they do not use tongues and things.
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Captain Busternaut
> >because I had never had my first kiss (french).
> why do they call it french kissing? French people kiss each other on
> the cheek, they do not use tongues and things.
It was originally designed by the French, who find great pleasure in
tasting each other's meals. However, they would often forget to do so
until they had finished all of their food. So, they simply tasted what
was left clinging to the roofs (rooves? that can't be right..) of each
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entering the womans mouth symbolising the penis entering the vagina. I
read that in a magazine a while ago. It was designed to be part of
foreplay.
Captain Busternaut wrote in message ...
Captain Busternaut
> entering the womans mouth symbolising the penis entering the vagina. I
> read that in a magazine a while ago. It was designed to be part of
> foreplay.
Oh, well...you'r eprobably right.
I was lying.
Thomas Reimer
Captain Busternaut wrote:
> > I heard the French invented it to be a form of oral sex...the mans tongue
> > entering the womans mouth symbolising the penis entering the vagina. I
> > read that in a magazine a while ago. It was designed to be part of
> > foreplay.
>
> Oh, well...you'r eprobably right.
> I was lying.
I would hope so! that is gross. (tasting food from others mouths)
>
>
> > Captain Busternaut wrote in message ...
> > >> > The first time I was either 11 or 12 and I didn't want to play
> > >> >because I had never had my first kiss (french).
> > >> why do they call it french kissing? French people kiss each other on
> > >> the cheek, they do not use tongues and things.
> > >
> > >It was originally designed by the French, who find great pleasure in
> > >tasting each other's meals. However, they would often forget to do so
> > >until they had finished all of their food. So, they simply tasted what
> > >was left clinging to the roofs (rooves? that can't be right..) of each
> > >others' mouths.
> > >
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=I heard the French invented it to be a form of oral sex...the mans tongue
=entering the womans mouth symbolising the penis entering the vagina. I
=read that in a magazine a while ago. It was designed to be part of
=foreplay.
It worked, then.
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Chris Gomm
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>Anna lay between the two elks and started pumping away while shrieking:
>
>>dark closet for seven minutes. While you are in there the two of you are
>>supposed to make out. This is usually played at teenage parties.
>
>is much the same except that the closet is padlocked and submerged into
>a large tank of water.
>
>sleepovers play the wet biscuit game, read porn mags and suck on cigars.
>
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Captain Busternaut
> >
> > Oh, well...you're probably right.
> > I was lying.
>
> I would hope so! that is gross. (tasting food from others mouths)
Well hey, it's the French.
emma
> > The first time I was either 11 or 12 and I didn't want to play
> >because I had never had my first kiss (french).
> why do they call it french kissing? French people kiss each other on
> the cheek, they do not use tongues and things.
according to a french friend of mine its because close friends in france
kiss lke that. i guess if you kiss on the cheek rather than shake hands
or something, you have to french kiss rather than kiss on the
cheek...dunno.
em
little angel
>according to a french friend of mine its because close friends in france
>kiss lke that. i guess if you kiss on the cheek rather than shake hands
>or something, you have to french kiss rather than kiss on the
>cheek...dunno.
french people are weird. that is all I can remember about french people
:)
Moosie (spicy lamb)
> french people are weird. that is all I can remember about french people
> :)
try living across the water from them, the buggers...
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I see hundreds of them !!! They're really annoying most of the time.
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yeah thats what i remember too :)
i think the french kiss was invented in england, then it transferred to
france, where it became more wel known, then it moved back out to england
and other countries..
as for 7 minutes in heaven.. i didnt want to either first time, but she made
me (im male) ever since it became the 45 minute game..
Drakmere
>I have to work with 'em - I work on a ferry between England and France and
>I see hundreds of them !!! They're really annoying most of the time.
>
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=I have to work with 'em - I work on a ferry between England and France and
=I see hundreds of them !!! They're really annoying most of the time.
And I'm sure they feel the same way about you.
Really, I hope most of you Brits are kidding, the way you constantly rag
on the French. I've travelled in both countries, and found there to be
almost no difference between the 2 of you in terms of kindness, welcoming,
etc. You have better nature, they have better cities; you have better
cabbies, they have better cops; you have better beer, they have better
food.
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Moosie (Omnia vincit amor)
> I have to work with 'em - I work on a ferry between England and France and
> I see hundreds of them !!! They're really annoying most of the time.
my word, how do you cope?
Smith
>on the French. I've travelled in both countries, and found there to be
>almost no difference between the 2 of you in terms of kindness, welcoming,
>etc. You have better nature, they have better cities; you have better
>cabbies, they have better cops; you have better beer, they have better
>food.
>
Better food, yes a beautiful warm baggette is nice, but there is no
choice, in England you can eat food from all over the globe, in on
Brilliant country, and about the french kiss, definately invented in
England!!
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>
>Really, I hope most of you Brits are kidding, the way you constantly rag
>on the French.
>
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>>on the French.
>Nah we don't hate the French, it's Americans we can't stand ;oD
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> today in cold weather* *sigh*
Poor girl :-(
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>> today in cold weather* *sigh*
>Poor girl :-(
it was better than physics. :/
Peter Hempsall
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> >> *the sound of a girl who took higher french and had a bloody exam
> >> today in cold weather* *sigh*
> >Poor girl :-(
> thanks. :)
> it was better than physics. :/
Physics! I love physics. Please don't think I'm being sarcastic - I'm not.
My favorite subjects are Maths, Physics and Chemistry!
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>> >> today in cold weather* *sigh*
>> >Poor girl :-(
>> thanks. :)
>> it was better than physics. :/
>Physics! I love physics. Please don't think I'm being sarcastic - I'm not.
>My favorite subjects are Maths, Physics and Chemistry!
maths is okay. or at least it *was* until i saw my prelim results.
73% people are ging to be thinking "she's not satisfied with that?!"
but i was expected to get high eighties at the least. :/
i prefer art, though. wish i'd taken it. :(
Drakmere
>Physics is GREAT! So is chemistry!
Drakmere
>>> >> *the sound of a girl who took higher french and had a bloody exam
>>> >> today in cold weather* *sigh*
>>> >Poor girl :-(
>>> thanks. :)
>>> it was better than physics. :/
>>Physics! I love physics. Please don't think I'm being sarcastic - I'm not.
>>My favorite subjects are Maths, Physics and Chemistry!
>i like chemistry and physics isn't bad...
>maths is okay. or at least it *was* until i saw my prelim results.
>73% people are ging to be thinking "she's not satisfied with that?!"
>but i was expected to get high eighties at the least. :/
>i prefer art, though. wish i'd taken it. :(
liz
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>In article <36ab0342...@news.u-net.com>, goodyear@penpontISTHEPLACEOFEVIL
>.u-net.com (Susannah) babbled thusly:
>>>> >> *the sound of a girl who took higher french and had a bloody exam
>>>> >> today in cold weather* *sigh*
>>>> >Poor girl :-(
>>>> thanks. :)
>>>> it was better than physics. :/
>>>Physics! I love physics. Please don't think I'm being sarcastic - I'm not.
>>>My favorite subjects are Maths, Physics and Chemistry!
>>i like chemistry and physics isn't bad...
>>maths is okay.
YOU'RE ALL SCIENCE FREAKS!!!! ARGHHHHHHH!!!! kill me now please!! : (
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ka...@thewilsons.demon.co.uk
wrote:
>>>i like chemistry and physics isn't bad...
>>>maths is okay.
>YOU'RE ALL SCIENCE FREAKS!!!! ARGHHHHHHH!!!! kill me now please!! : (
I'm not :)
speaking as somebody doing a levels in english lit, history and
sociology <g>
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>>YOU'RE ALL SCIENCE FREAKS!!!! ARGHHHHHHH!!!! kill me now please!! : (
>speaking as somebody doing a levels in english lit, history and
>sociology <g>
btec in graphic design/photography.
*laughs*
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>>>YOU'RE ALL SCIENCE FREAKS!!!! ARGHHHHHHH!!!! kill me now please!! : (
>>speaking as somebody doing a levels in english lit, history and
>>sociology <g>
>btec in graphic design/photography.
>*laughs*
and BA education
(is psychology science? it certainly feels like it sometimes)
Celeste Rowe
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mo...@damnthatspam.slim.demon.co.uk ".adrienne." writes:
> >>YOU'RE ALL SCIENCE FREAKS!!!! ARGHHHHHHH!!!! kill me now please!! : (
> >speaking as somebody doing a levels in english lit, history and
> >sociology <g>
> btec in graphic design/photography.
> *laughs*
A level German, Theatre Studies and English lang/lit.
People make the silliest assumptions, don't they? ;) Mind you, I am off
to do a BSc thing in nursing in September...and that might count...and
then I might be a science freak! Help!
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> A level German, Theatre Studies and English lang/lit.
> People make the silliest assumptions, don't they? ;) Mind you, I am off
> to do a BSc thing in nursing in September...and that might count...and
> then I might be a science freak! Help!
nono, with an a level in theatre studies, you can *never* be a science
freak.
(or at least, that's what i'd like to believe .. <g>)
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>On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:57:32 +0000, liz <laal...@platt0.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>>>i like chemistry and physics isn't bad...
>>>>maths is okay.
>
>
>speaking as somebody doing a levels in english lit, history and
>sociology <g>
nor me
seeing as my a-levels are english lit, history & classical civilisation
(but I'd do sociology if I *could*)
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Katie Wilson
>> A level German, Theatre Studies and English lang/lit.
>> People make the silliest assumptions, don't they? ;) Mind you, I am off
>> to do a BSc thing in nursing in September...and that might count...and
>> then I might be a science freak! Help!
>
>nono, with an a level in theatre studies, you can *never* be a science
>freak.
>
>(or at least, that's what i'd like to believe .. <g>)
No, ben. Sorry. the degree(?) thing in computer science cancels that
out. :>
But it -is- good, and is better than, um, chemistry? <;)
What about just a normal freak? :P
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>seeing as my a-levels are english lit, history & classical civilisation
>(but I'd do sociology if I *could*)
sociology is lovely. even though I have to do a gcse in it in june /:|
Ben Werdmuller
> >nono, with an a level in theatre studies, you can *never* be a science
> >freak.
> >
> >(or at least, that's what i'd like to believe .. <g>)
>
> No, ben. Sorry. the degree(?) thing in computer science cancels that
> out. :>
aw, poo. *sigh*
if i like got some stuff published and that, would it get me on the
road to non-science-freekery?
> But it -is- good, and is better than, um, chemistry? <;)
yes, but to be honest, in my opinion, even slicing off your own facial
muscles and pouring vinegar into the sores is better than chemistry.
apologies to all chemists present, of course ;)
> What about just a normal freak? :P
>
> *HUG*
nono, i'm not hugging you now ;P
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> > A level German, Theatre Studies and English lang/lit.
> > People make the silliest assumptions, don't they? ;) Mind you, I am off
> > to do a BSc thing in nursing in September...and that might count...and
> > then I might be a science freak! Help!
> freak.
> (or at least, that's what i'd like to believe .. <g>)
but you can still be a compsci <g>
em
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>sociology is lovely. even though I have to do a gcse in it in june /:|
you'll have to teach me before I start my degree :-)
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b...@GAHspiremagazine.com "Ben Werdmuller" writes:
> > A level German, Theatre Studies and English lang/lit.
> > People make the silliest assumptions, don't they? ;) Mind you, I am off
> > to do a BSc thing in nursing in September...and that might count...and
> > then I might be a science freak! Help!
> nono, with an a level in theatre studies, you can *never* be a science
> freak.
You can just never be a freak, can you? It's not possible. I mean, who was
the last person you met who thought drama folks were a bit weird? ;)
Yeah, exactly. And it's um...well at least it's not sciencey. Ha.
> (or at least, that's what i'd like to believe .. <g>)
If you like it, then you believe it my love ;) What is it you're studying
again...? :P
Ben Werdmuller
> > > A level German, Theatre Studies and English lang/lit.
> > > People make the silliest assumptions, don't they? ;) Mind you, I am off
> > > to do a BSc thing in nursing in September...and that might count...and
> > > then I might be a science freak! Help!
> > nono, with an a level in theatre studies, you can *never* be a science
> > freak.
> > (or at least, that's what i'd like to believe .. <g>)
>
> but you can still be a compsci <g>
no no no no no no NO. :P
right, that's it. i am going to start work on my novel. and be in a
play. and start hugging people at every available opportunity and
saying "yah" a lot. *then* i won't be a science freak :D
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> > > A level German, Theatre Studies and English lang/lit.
> > > People make the silliest assumptions, don't they? ;) Mind you, I am off
> > > to do a BSc thing in nursing in September...and that might count...and
> > > then I might be a science freak! Help!
> > nono, with an a level in theatre studies, you can *never* be a science
> > freak.
> You can just never be a freak, can you? It's not possible. I mean, who was
> the last person you met who thought drama folks were a bit weird? ;)
> Yeah, exactly. And it's um...well at least it's not sciencey. Ha.
yeah. we got them science guys beat. we may be the laughing stock of
the academic world, but goddammit, at least we're not physicists or
computer geeks or something.
oh.
hold on a minute.
hrm.
well at least we're not physicists. <g>
> > (or at least, that's what i'd like to believe .. <g>)
> If you like it, then you believe it my love ;) What is it you're studying
> again...? :P
*sob* ... computer ... science ... *breaks down into tears*
but i'm also doing an llb course in forensic medicine?
Frances Wilson
In article <36c1216f...@news.freeserve.co.uk>
b...@spiremagazine.com "Ben Werdmuller" writes:
> > You can just never be a freak, can you? It's not possible. I mean, who was
> > the last person you met who thought drama folks were a bit weird? ;)
> > Yeah, exactly. And it's um...well at least it's not sciencey. Ha.
> yeah. we got them science guys beat. we may be the laughing stock of
> the academic world, but goddammit, at least we're not physicists or
> computer geeks or something.
Ahhh but them academic worldy types just don't know the *strain* we have
to undergo! The sheer *hell* of having to learn lines and tell your teacher
that you 'did loads of research into the psychological background of the
character, oh yes'.
And the mental scars ingrained by the horror of having to learn bloody
stupid Stanislavskian theory which has to be the most pretentious, pointless
load of rubbish ever to be circulated. Pah.
Oh my, I just don't think I was born to be a theatre gal ;)
> oh.
> hold on a minute.
> hrm.
> well at least we're not physicists. <g>
Um. Yeah. Well we're *not* physicists, are we? No we're not. Accuse all
you wish, academic worldy types ;)
> > If you like it, then you believe it my love ;) What is it you're studying
> > again...? :P
> *sob* ... computer ... science ... *breaks down into tears*
Ben. I'm sorry, this has to be said, so brace yourself...
You TRAITOR ;)
> but i'm also doing an llb course in forensic medicine?
Oh well, my nursing course at Leeds could involve a bit of the old forensic
psychiatry. Which is linked-ish. So I guess you're forgiven ;)
Ben Werdmuller
> > > You can just never be a freak, can you? It's not possible. I mean, who was
> > > the last person you met who thought drama folks were a bit weird? ;)
> > > Yeah, exactly. And it's um...well at least it's not sciencey. Ha.
> > yeah. we got them science guys beat. we may be the laughing stock of
> > the academic world, but goddammit, at least we're not physicists or
> > computer geeks or something.
> Ahhh but them academic worldy types just don't know the *strain* we have
> to undergo! The sheer *hell* of having to learn lines and tell your teacher
> that you 'did loads of research into the psychological background of the
> character, oh yes'.
<g> i remember many a period when i was supposed to be in the library,
in the common room chatting about nothing or down the pub ..
*nostalgia*
> And the mental scars ingrained by the horror of having to learn bloody
> stupid Stanislavskian theory which has to be the most pretentious, pointless
> load of rubbish ever to be circulated. Pah.
brecht's pretty bad and all, i think. at least stanislavski made some
kind of sense. old bertie kept contradicting himself ..
mostly, however, i am mentally scarred from my turn as Ranyevskaya (or
however you spell her name; it's been a while) from the cherry
orchard.
> > oh.
> > hold on a minute.
> > hrm.
> > well at least we're not physicists. <g>
> Um. Yeah. Well we're *not* physicists, are we? No we're not. Accuse all
> you wish, academic worldy types ;)
yesyes! you can draw no pain from us!
> > > If you like it, then you believe it my love ;) What is it you're studying
> > > again...? :P
> > *sob* ... computer ... science ... *breaks down into tears*
> Ben. I'm sorry, this has to be said, so brace yourself...
> You TRAITOR ;)
*cowers to the floor*
> > but i'm also doing an llb course in forensic medicine?
> Oh well, my nursing course at Leeds could involve a bit of the old forensic
> psychiatry. Which is linked-ish. So I guess you're forgiven ;)
yay :)
we *still* haven't had that lecture on mass disasters ...
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Frances Wilson
In article <36be640...@news.freeserve.co.uk>
b...@spiremagazine.com "Ben Werdmuller" writes:
> <g> i remember many a period when i was supposed to be in the library,
> in the common room chatting about nothing or down the pub ..
> *nostalgia*
Oh those were the days...*grin*. Do you mean to tell me that you deceived
your drama teacher??? You didn't spend every precious moment *becoming* you
character??? How very strange :P
In fact, those *are* the days ;) And those will still be the days when
we go to Wales next weekend, our whole theatre studies class, and it is
going to be so amusing because everyone knows who's going to have a great
big fight and go in a strop for ages. Heehee ;)
> brecht's pretty bad and all, i think. at least stanislavski made some
> kind of sense. old bertie kept contradicting himself ..
Well I don't mind Brecht so much 'cos at least he had his theory all set
out like this and this and this. And this is what it was and you showed
things, you didn't have all this becoming your character nonsense. I always
think it's easier to write about that than Stani, but I know some people
think it's dire :)
> mostly, however, i am mentally scarred from my turn as Ranyevskaya (or
> however you spell her name; it's been a while) from the cherry
> orchard.
Oh you poor love. It sounds horrid. And it also sounds like it was packed
full of subtext and deep, meaningful conversations ;)
It sounds almost as horrid as doing endless character studies on Nora, the
silly bint in Doll's House. And every essay we do, we have to pretend we *do*
sympathise with her, honest guv, and I *hate* her so much ;)
> > Um. Yeah. Well we're *not* physicists, are we? No we're not. Accuse all
> > you wish, academic worldy types ;)
> yesyes! you can draw no pain from us!
Not even by lots of scratching and stretching. We have become innured to
pain and suffering, us! Do you *worst*!!! Rar.
> > Ben. I'm sorry, this has to be said, so brace yourself...
> > You TRAITOR ;)
> *cowers to the floor*
So I should think, you betrayer of the theatre cause :)
> > Oh well, my nursing course at Leeds could involve a bit of the old forensic
> > psychiatry. Which is linked-ish. So I guess you're forgiven ;)
> yay :)
You were lucky there ;)
> we *still* haven't had that lecture on mass disasters ...
Really? What are they waiting for? Do you have to undergo special mental
preparation for that sort of thing? :)
little angel
<Fra...@molerat.demon.co.uk> writes
>> brecht's pretty bad and all, i think. at least stanislavski made some
>> kind of sense. old bertie kept contradicting himself ..
> Well I don't mind Brecht so much
how do you know about Brecht? We had to read a Brecht poem about exile
for german culture. It was OK. It was shorter than the other stuff we
have done. I don't like german literature though. I have never read
anything that is not about Nazi's.
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Come.to/my.kooky.world
Ben Werdmuller
> > <g> i remember many a period when i was supposed to be in the library,
> > in the common room chatting about nothing or down the pub ..
> > *nostalgia*
> Oh those were the days...*grin*. Do you mean to tell me that you deceived
> your drama teacher??? You didn't spend every precious moment *becoming* you
> character??? How very strange :P
we did all kinds of character-building alexander technique, actually.
relaxing things like shut your eyes, let every muscle go, until every
iota of your body is relaxed and your mind is in deep thought.
excellent preperation for playing a blind parapalegic, but not much
more.
> In fact, those *are* the days ;) And those will still be the days when
> we go to Wales next weekend, our whole theatre studies class, and it is
> going to be so amusing because everyone knows who's going to have a great
> big fight and go in a strop for ages. Heehee ;)
how big's your class? ours was like fourteen people, which was the
largest one they'd ever had. there were actually enough people to have
three separate polished improvisations practiced at once. and at least
one of them always had a bloke wearing lipstick, for some reason.
> > brecht's pretty bad and all, i think. at least stanislavski made some
> > kind of sense. old bertie kept contradicting himself ..
> Well I don't mind Brecht so much 'cos at least he had his theory all set
> out like this and this and this. And this is what it was and you showed
> things, you didn't have all this becoming your character nonsense. I always
> think it's easier to write about that than Stani, but I know some people
> think it's dire :)
stan i understood .. bertie i wanted to go away. he wrote some good
plays though; i like arturo ui.
> > mostly, however, i am mentally scarred from my turn as Ranyevskaya (or
> > however you spell her name; it's been a while) from the cherry
> > orchard.
> Oh you poor love. It sounds horrid. And it also sounds like it was packed
> full of subtext and deep, meaningful conversations ;)
yes :) there's a noise that the characters hear in the distance at two
points in the play .. and you're supposed to, as an audience, work out
what this is and judge the significance of it yourself .. one
character thinks it's an owl, another one a breaking string, etc. to
be in drag on top of all that was asking a bit much.
> It sounds almost as horrid as doing endless character studies on Nora, the
> silly bint in Doll's House. And every essay we do, we have to pretend we *do*
> sympathise with her, honest guv, and I *hate* her so much ;)
actually, that's my favourite play ;) the first time i actually saw it
though was last term at the bedlam, up here in edinburgh. before that
the only version i'd seen was a bbc tv show. which was very green.
(actually, everything to do with a doll's house seems to be green. i
forget why this is. but it seems to me to be very bad colour sense to
paint your walls a dark shade of green. ick.)
back in the days when i did parodies and things, my crowning glory was
an essay entitled "the significance of nora's nose in ibsen's 'a
doll's house'." excellent stuff. ("NORA: I've decorated it and
everything!" or something to that effect)
> > > Um. Yeah. Well we're *not* physicists, are we? No we're not. Accuse all
> > > you wish, academic worldy types ;)
> > yesyes! you can draw no pain from us!
> Not even by lots of scratching and stretching. We have become innured to
> pain and suffering, us! Do you *worst*!!! Rar.
*except* the billie. put the billie down. no .. nooo ... nooooooo ..
or something.
> > > Ben. I'm sorry, this has to be said, so brace yourself...
> > > You TRAITOR ;)
> > *cowers to the floor*
> So I should think, you betrayer of the theatre cause :)
i only betrayed it an ickle bit ;)
> > we *still* haven't had that lecture on mass disasters ...
> Really? What are they waiting for? Do you have to undergo special mental
> preparation for that sort of thing? :)
no .. it's just at a certain point in the course. 16th february, in
fact. (that's for the benefit of sven, if he's listening. 16th
february, meet outside teviot at 3:45. i'll see you before then, but
still.)
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cel...@pantyfod.demon.co.uk "little angel" writes:
> >> brecht's pretty bad and all, i think. at least stanislavski made some
> >> kind of sense. old bertie kept contradicting himself ..
> > Well I don't mind Brecht so much
> how do you know about Brecht? We had to read a Brecht poem about exile
> for german culture. It was OK. It was shorter than the other stuff we
> have done. I don't like german literature though. I have never read
> anything that is not about Nazi's.
How do I know about Brecht? I do A level Theatre Studies, that's how :)
'Cos he's a practitioner bloke who developed a great big theory all
about the purpose of theatre and acting, how you should act etc and so
on and wrote lots of plays too.
The year I started German they stopped studying 'Mother Courage and her
Children' for the text thingummy, so we didn't get it. Shame. Thing with
studying German is that a lot of the literature tends to be really political
so...it's about Nazis ;)
Fun.
Frances Wilson
In article <36bda91f...@news.freeserve.co.uk>
b...@spiremagazine.com "Ben Werdmuller" writes:
> we did all kinds of character-building alexander technique, actually.
> relaxing things like shut your eyes, let every muscle go, until every
> iota of your body is relaxed and your mind is in deep thought.
> excellent preperation for playing a blind parapalegic, but not much
> more.
Oh we've done that, yes. Sheila's very into that kind of thing; completely
relax your body and your mind and don't take any notice of *anything* or
*anybody* but yourself. Public Isolation I think it's called, isn't it?
It's a lovely way to spend a lesson, you must admit ;)
Almost makes up for the kissing and hugging that Sheila is also very into
around the time of a production...
> how big's your class? ours was like fourteen people, which was the
> largest one they'd ever had. there were actually enough people to have
> three separate polished improvisations practiced at once. and at least
> one of them always had a bloke wearing lipstick, for some reason.
We've got ten :) We started off with...about 16 or 18, I think. Then for
the first year there was 14 of us, but 3 of them were doing Btec Performing
Arts as well and thought it was all a bit to DramaDarling with both, and
another girl just left.
*Grin* I think there's something about theatre studies that sets up this
strange psychic link between everyone ;) So when they end up doing the
improvisations there's a spooky little theme running through all of them.
We've only got two groups, but there's a definite cage/imprisonment thing
emerging. I'm not sure what that says about the mentality of our group,
but never mind :)
> stan i understood .. bertie i wanted to go away. he wrote some good
> plays though; i like arturo ui.
I've never seen or read that, but we did go through the plot a little
bit. It sounded an awful lot better than Mother Courage, anyway :) More...
sophisticated, I think.
We went to see Mr Puntila in Warwick and I have adored it ever since because
it was *so* good and *so* funny. The weird thing was that afterwards the
rest of my class were like 'Oh I didn't see that there was a really strong
communist message' and it practically screamed at me. It was so obvious,
it always is. So that was odd :)
> > Oh you poor love. It sounds horrid. And it also sounds like it was packed
> > full of subtext and deep, meaningful conversations ;)
> yes :) there's a noise that the characters hear in the distance at two
> points in the play .. and you're supposed to, as an audience, work out
> what this is and judge the significance of it yourself .. one
> character thinks it's an owl, another one a breaking string, etc. to
> be in drag on top of all that was asking a bit much.
Yech. I don't see why the playwright can't just say; this is significant.
I mean, if they mean it to be, then it might be really important to how
you understand the rest of the play. And if they don't mean it to be then
the audience could get really confused. I think that's why the whole
naturalism/Stani thing annoys me a bit because in the plays it's all so
mysterious and you have to read really deeply into everything everyone
says because it might be significant. At least with Brecht it's perfectly
obvious what you're meant to be thinking about ;)
> actually, that's my favourite play ;) the first time i actually saw it
> though was last term at the bedlam, up here in edinburgh. before that
> the only version i'd seen was a bbc tv show. which was very green.
> (actually, everything to do with a doll's house seems to be green. i
> forget why this is. but it seems to me to be very bad colour sense to
> paint your walls a dark shade of green. ick.)
Was that...the one...mmph. I think we watched a bit of it, 'cos it was
certainly very green. Did it have that woman who's called Jane and is
American in it? Maybe that was a different one ;)
It sort of fixes in your mind the idea that everyone in Norway not only
lives in the middle of lots of trees and snow, but also makes *everything*
they own green as well! Even the kids. Green eyes, green hair, green skin...
It is a good play, but...well I have to ask; Do you sympathise with Nora?
Because I just *can't*. I don't think it's just the interpretation, because
reading the play I still can't stand her ;)
> back in the days when i did parodies and things, my crowning glory was
> an essay entitled "the significance of nora's nose in ibsen's 'a
> doll's house'." excellent stuff. ("NORA: I've decorated it and
> everything!" or something to that effect)
*Giggle* If you'd handed that in to my drama teacher as a serious essay
she would've gone; You know, I *never* looked at it that way before!
Ben, that's fascinating. I see just what you mean, I see new things in
this play every time I read it...
;)
> > Not even by lots of scratching and stretching. We have become innured to
> > pain and suffering, us! Do you *worst*!!! Rar.
> *except* the billie. put the billie down. no .. nooo ... nooooooo ..
> or something.
And...death. Urgh. *Blink* Glove death.
> > > *cowers to the floor*
> > So I should think, you betrayer of the theatre cause :)
> i only betrayed it an ickle bit ;)
Oh yes, so *you* say ;) Just 'cos you've gone up to the festival city,
you think you can get away with anything ;)
Katie Wilson
>we did all kinds of character-building alexander technique, actually.
>relaxing things like shut your eyes, let every muscle go, until every
>iota of your body is relaxed and your mind is in deep thought.
My uncle does/did the alexander technique. He has a little room in his
house where he treats people :)
Ben Werdmuller
> > we did all kinds of character-building alexander technique, actually.
> > relaxing things like shut your eyes, let every muscle go, until every
> > iota of your body is relaxed and your mind is in deep thought.
> > excellent preperation for playing a blind parapalegic, but not much
> > more.
> Oh we've done that, yes. Sheila's very into that kind of thing; completely
> relax your body and your mind and don't take any notice of *anything* or
> *anybody* but yourself. Public Isolation I think it's called, isn't it?
um .. possibly .. i don't know :) i have a theory that every single
theatre studies teacher uses a different set of words :)
> It's a lovely way to spend a lesson, you must admit ;)
*nod*, though i would have preferred to spend more time working on
actual performance stuff. but then, what do i know; i got a d .. <g>
> Almost makes up for the kissing and hugging that Sheila is also very into
> around the time of a production...
oh gawd. our teachers didn't do that. one *did* keep going on about
how evil men were (so us four blokes in the class sort of cowered in
the corner every so often) .. and the other just sort of bounced
around. even donated her wedding dress towards a performance, which i
thought was very impressive.
> *Grin* I think there's something about theatre studies that sets up this
> strange psychic link between everyone ;) So when they end up doing the
> improvisations there's a spooky little theme running through all of them.
> We've only got two groups, but there's a definite cage/imprisonment thing
> emerging. I'm not sure what that says about the mentality of our group,
> but never mind :)
yeah .. death always seemed to crop up in ours .. one time there was a
very dark drug overdose type impro running alongside a gothic
cinderella piece, which somehow managed to involve the biggest knife i
have ever seen in my life. and of course, the old standby soap opera
type situation kept cropping up. which was always fun to watch/be in.
honest.
> > stan i understood .. bertie i wanted to go away. he wrote some good
> > plays though; i like arturo ui.
> I've never seen or read that, but we did go through the plot a little
> bit. It sounded an awful lot better than Mother Courage, anyway :) More...
> sophisticated, I think.
i think there's more subtlety and realism in mother courage (although
the kids do have strange names - swiss cheese, is it?) .. arturo ui is
blatantly obvious about the whole thing. very funny though :)
> > yes :) there's a noise that the characters hear in the distance at two
> > points in the play .. and you're supposed to, as an audience, work out
> > what this is and judge the significance of it yourself .. one
> > character thinks it's an owl, another one a breaking string, etc. to
> > be in drag on top of all that was asking a bit much.
> Yech. I don't see why the playwright can't just say; this is significant.
that would be nice. but then, every performance would sort of be the
same ...
> I mean, if they mean it to be, then it might be really important to how
> you understand the rest of the play. And if they don't mean it to be then
> the audience could get really confused. I think that's why the whole
> naturalism/Stani thing annoys me a bit because in the plays it's all so
> mysterious and you have to read really deeply into everything everyone
> says because it might be significant. At least with Brecht it's perfectly
> obvious what you're meant to be thinking about ;)
that's true. i definitely prefer his plays (not that i can think of
any stanislavski plays; did he write any? at all?) .. but i can't see
how you can hold the audience's attention without three dimensional
characters, etc. and then in mother courage he goes and *makes* the
characters three dimensional. gah. maybe i misunderstand though.
anyone else in the group still listening? <g>
> Was that...the one...mmph. I think we watched a bit of it, 'cos it was
> certainly very green. Did it have that woman who's called Jane and is
> American in it? Maybe that was a different one ;)
no, i've not seen the jane fonda version. in fact, the only movie i've
ever seen with her in was barbarella. which opens with her weightless,
naked, in a room with shag-pile carpets on the walls and ceilings and
floor. and later on has a blind angel. and she has sex with everyone.
and it's just *poor*. *nod*
> It sort of fixes in your mind the idea that everyone in Norway not only
> lives in the middle of lots of trees and snow, but also makes *everything*
> they own green as well! Even the kids. Green eyes, green hair, green skin...
> It is a good play, but...well I have to ask; Do you sympathise with Nora?
i do .. i definitely see where she's coming from.
> Because I just *can't*. I don't think it's just the interpretation, because
> reading the play I still can't stand her ;)
what don't you like about her? (would you do the same thing?)
> > back in the days when i did parodies and things, my crowning glory was
> > an essay entitled "the significance of nora's nose in ibsen's 'a
> > doll's house'." excellent stuff. ("NORA: I've decorated it and
> > everything!" or something to that effect)
> *Giggle* If you'd handed that in to my drama teacher as a serious essay
> she would've gone; You know, I *never* looked at it that way before!
> Ben, that's fascinating. I see just what you mean, I see new things in
> this play every time I read it...
<G> the feminist drama teacher would have looked at me, grabbed a
nearby object and hurled it at me ;) she once had a go at me for half
an hour because i'd doodled a little snail at the top of the page in
one of my mock exams. that was .. fun.
> > > > *cowers to the floor*
> > > So I should think, you betrayer of the theatre cause :)
> > i only betrayed it an ickle bit ;)
> Oh yes, so *you* say ;) Just 'cos you've gone up to the festival city,
> you think you can get away with anything ;)
but but but .. *thinks* .. i'm also getting involved in owen
goodyear's production of a midsummer night's dream if it goes ahead?
and i'm auditioning for plays and things?
please don't kill me?
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On Fri, 05 Feb 99 18:41:08 GMT that person
Fra...@molerat.demon.co.uk (Frances Wilson)said summat like this :
>
>In article <6rMaXCAI...@slim.demon.co.uk>
> mo...@damnthatspam.slim.demon.co.uk ".adrienne." writes:
>
>> >>YOU'RE ALL SCIENCE FREAKS!!!! ARGHHHHHHH!!!! kill me now please!! : (
>> >speaking as somebody doing a levels in english lit, history and
>> >sociology <g>
>> btec in graphic design/photography.
>> *laughs*
> A level German, Theatre Studies
they have an a-level in Theatre Studies?
I am so a science freak. But then i will earn loads of money like that
George Clooney in that ER. neeeeer.
Cheers,
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Ben Werdmuller
> > > Oh we've done that, yes. Sheila's very into that kind of thing; completely
> > > relax your body and your mind and don't take any notice of *anything* or
> > > *anybody* but yourself. Public Isolation I think it's called, isn't it?
> > um .. possibly .. i don't know :) i have a theory that every single
> > theatre studies teacher uses a different set of words :)
> Oh I should think so. I dread to think what happens when they have these
> conference type things when a whole bunch of drama teachers gets together.
> It's scary enough with the two we've got when they disagree. Actually
> I would quite enjoy to sit in on a great big scrap between drama teachers,
> 'cos it'd all have started with someone saying; I think Ibsen intended
> this...;)
i can just see them all, in a big ring, with knives and things .. and
they're all, like, "noooo! he meant *this*!" and "greeeen! greeeen!
paint the set greeeeen!" and things. and blood is flying and stuff.
hm; maybe i should get this seen to. <g>
> > yeah .. death always seemed to crop up in ours .. one time there was a
> > very dark drug overdose type impro running alongside a gothic
> > cinderella piece, which somehow managed to involve the biggest knife i
> > have ever seen in my life. and of course, the old standby soap opera
> > type situation kept cropping up. which was always fun to watch/be in.
> > honest.
> How very Freudian it all is! Help :) Death, drugs, rape and pregnancy.
> Various other things. Oh and devil worship. Did you get that too?
i played satan in our final polished improvisation :))
> Lots
> of people chanting and dancing and holding seances...it's ever so GCSE
> because *everyone* seems to want to do that. And if they get to hold their
> tummy and look pained due to a miscarriage or an abortion as well, so
> much the better ;)
> *Sigh* Don't you miss it? :)
i do *nod* .. but it's been so long now, and i've got so much going on
these days .. i don't think i'd have time for all that these days.
which is a shame.
> > that's true. i definitely prefer his plays (not that i can think of
> > any stanislavski plays; did he write any? at all?) .. but i can't see
> Nah he didn't. He just directed and did all the theory business, I think.
> Reckon the difference is that all those naturalist playwrights took
> themselves *so* seriously and their plays were always so heavy. Brecht
> was more...appeal to the masses because then you make more people think :)
> Which makes sense.
*nod* his stuff tends to be more fun to watch. i think i'm just a
massmarket sort of person ..
> > anyone else in the group still listening? <g>
> Hmmm...I think we lulled them to sleep about two days ago ;)
i think sven replied to a post .. we'd better start using words like
'verfremdungseffect' (sp? been a while) and .. actually, that's pretty
much the only really scary word, isn't it? shame.
> > no, i've not seen the jane fonda version. in fact, the only movie i've
> > ever seen with her in was barbarella. which opens with her weightless,
> > naked, in a room with shag-pile carpets on the walls and ceilings and
> > floor. and later on has a blind angel. and she has sex with everyone.
> > and it's just *poor*. *nod*
> Ooh I've seen that ;) Very cult. Very weird. Very bad. Yay :) Does she
> get to have sex with this huge hairy monster at some point? Please tell
> me I didn't dream that ;)
yes :))
> > > Because I just *can't*. I don't think it's just the interpretation, because
> > > reading the play I still can't stand her ;)
> > what don't you like about her? (would you do the same thing?)
> Mmm I would. It's not the leaving Torvald thing I object to, it's just
> her. Through the whole play she is just *so* self-centred. Especially with
> how she treats Dr Rank. I mean, there he is, ill and dying and she knows
> it, and she's all; Oh cheer up! Laugh! I hate it when you're like this,
> I want you to be in a good mood for *me*. And I'm going to be really
> mean to you for telling me you love me when you're dying because now I
> can't ask to borrow money off you.
*nod* .. she is a bit nasty like that. very self-centred. and the way
she sort of semi-leads him on is horrible. but that's actually another
reason that i like the play. :)
> Just everything in her head revolves around her and her problems, nobody
> else matters, and it really annoys me :)
yes. i reckon that's part of her naivety, though, rather than
something that she should be blamed for.
> > <G> the feminist drama teacher would have looked at me, grabbed a
> > nearby object and hurled it at me ;) she once had a go at me for half
> > an hour because i'd doodled a little snail at the top of the page in
> > one of my mock exams. that was .. fun.
> She sounds...terrifying? ;) A member of the club of teachers who rush
> about weilding axes and machetes at poor, unsuspecting students. Was it
> a cute little snail, though???
it's my usual snail .. which i guess none of the people here have
seen, apart from sven, hannah and emma. but i *always* draw them. it's
like my mark.
> > > Oh yes, so *you* say ;) Just 'cos you've gone up to the festival city,
> > > you think you can get away with anything ;)
> > but but but .. *thinks* .. i'm also getting involved in owen
> > goodyear's production of a midsummer night's dream if it goes ahead?
> > and i'm auditioning for plays and things?
> Hmmm...*ponder*. Ok, you're forgiven :) Especially 'cos Midsummer Night's
> Dream is such a groovy play.
it rocks. except, everyone reckons i should play bottom for some
reason ;) (i think it's because he's the only character everyone
remembers actually ;)
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> > Oh we've done that, yes. Sheila's very into that kind of thing; completely
> > relax your body and your mind and don't take any notice of *anything* or
> > *anybody* but yourself. Public Isolation I think it's called, isn't it?
> um .. possibly .. i don't know :) i have a theory that every single
> theatre studies teacher uses a different set of words :)
Oh I should think so. I dread to think what happens when they have these
conference type things when a whole bunch of drama teachers gets together.
It's scary enough with the two we've got when they disagree. Actually
I would quite enjoy to sit in on a great big scrap between drama teachers,
'cos it'd all have started with someone saying; I think Ibsen intended
this...;)
> > It's a lovely way to spend a lesson, you must admit ;)
> *nod*, though i would have preferred to spend more time working on
> actual performance stuff. but then, what do i know; i got a d .. <g>
*Grin* In that case you probably know lots, because if you'd had longer
you would've done better! So there we go :)
> > Almost makes up for the kissing and hugging that Sheila is also very into
> > around the time of a production...
> oh gawd. our teachers didn't do that. one *did* keep going on about
> how evil men were (so us four blokes in the class sort of cowered in
> the corner every so often) .. and the other just sort of bounced
> around. even donated her wedding dress towards a performance, which i
> thought was very impressive.
Wow, she must trust her students. I think it's a compulsory thing that you
have to have a huge contrast with drama teachers, so they're both really
scary but in totally different ways. Like Sheila scares the life out
of everyone by hugging and kissing and creating the big drama family and
Penny is just fierce. She used to make the male people in our class hide
under the table by starting big discussions about sex and her husband and
PMT, but they've kinda got used to it now ;)
> yeah .. death always seemed to crop up in ours .. one time there was a
> very dark drug overdose type impro running alongside a gothic
> cinderella piece, which somehow managed to involve the biggest knife i
> have ever seen in my life. and of course, the old standby soap opera
> type situation kept cropping up. which was always fun to watch/be in.
> honest.
How very Freudian it all is! Help :) Death, drugs, rape and pregnancy.
Various other things. Oh and devil worship. Did you get that too? Lots
of people chanting and dancing and holding seances...it's ever so GCSE
because *everyone* seems to want to do that. And if they get to hold their
tummy and look pained due to a miscarriage or an abortion as well, so
much the better ;)
*Sigh* Don't you miss it? :)
> i think there's more subtlety and realism in mother courage (although
> the kids do have strange names - swiss cheese, is it?) .. arturo ui is
> blatantly obvious about the whole thing. very funny though :)
Swiss cheese, Iliff...Katrin, is it? There's realism in all of them,
depending on how you choose to interpret it, 'cos there's always a message
of some sort and it's always to do with life, politics...whatever else
chooses to be in there. But yeah, the characters in Mother Courage are
a bit less 'Look here's a peasant and here's a rich person', I guess. Not
such cardboard cut-outs, as it were ;)
> > Yech. I don't see why the playwright can't just say; this is significant.
> that would be nice. but then, every performance would sort of be the
> same ...
Not necessarily. It doesn't mean the characters have to be obvious, but
just that the *things* that happen that have significance in the play
are a little bit more obvious and don't have all this ambiguity. On the
other hand, if it was obvious then you couldn't completely make up the
points in your essays, so it does have some advantages ;)
> that's true. i definitely prefer his plays (not that i can think of
> any stanislavski plays; did he write any? at all?) .. but i can't see
Nah he didn't. He just directed and did all the theory business, I think.
Reckon the difference is that all those naturalist playwrights took
themselves *so* seriously and their plays were always so heavy. Brecht
was more...appeal to the masses because then you make more people think :)
Which makes sense.
> how you can hold the audience's attention without three dimensional
> characters, etc. and then in mother courage he goes and *makes* the
> characters three dimensional. gah. maybe i misunderstand though.
Oh I don't know :) You can interpret it however you like really, can't
you? But the fact that Brecht's plays can be done sooo well and really
involve the audience shows you *can* do it without 3 dimensional characters.
Depends what sort of play you've got. You couldn't do it in a naturalistic
play because without the dimensions and the subtext you haven't really
got anything :)
> anyone else in the group still listening? <g>
Hmmm...I think we lulled them to sleep about two days ago ;)
> no, i've not seen the jane fonda version. in fact, the only movie i've
> ever seen with her in was barbarella. which opens with her weightless,
> naked, in a room with shag-pile carpets on the walls and ceilings and
> floor. and later on has a blind angel. and she has sex with everyone.
> and it's just *poor*. *nod*
Ooh I've seen that ;) Very cult. Very weird. Very bad. Yay :) Does she
get to have sex with this huge hairy monster at some point? Please tell
me I didn't dream that ;)
> > It sort of fixes in your mind the idea that everyone in Norway not only
> > lives in the middle of lots of trees and snow, but also makes *everything*
> > they own green as well! Even the kids. Green eyes, green hair, green skin...
> > It is a good play, but...well I have to ask; Do you sympathise with Nora?
> i do .. i definitely see where she's coming from.
Oh so do I. I can definitely see why she does what she does at the end,
and that's great. Especially because it caused such an uproar at the time :)
> > Because I just *can't*. I don't think it's just the interpretation, because
> > reading the play I still can't stand her ;)
> what don't you like about her? (would you do the same thing?)
Mmm I would. It's not the leaving Torvald thing I object to, it's just
her. Through the whole play she is just *so* self-centred. Especially with
how she treats Dr Rank. I mean, there he is, ill and dying and she knows
it, and she's all; Oh cheer up! Laugh! I hate it when you're like this,
I want you to be in a good mood for *me*. And I'm going to be really
mean to you for telling me you love me when you're dying because now I
can't ask to borrow money off you.
Just everything in her head revolves around her and her problems, nobody
else matters, and it really annoys me :)
> <G> the feminist drama teacher would have looked at me, grabbed a
> nearby object and hurled it at me ;) she once had a go at me for half
> an hour because i'd doodled a little snail at the top of the page in
> one of my mock exams. that was .. fun.
She sounds...terrifying? ;) A member of the club of teachers who rush
about weilding axes and machetes at poor, unsuspecting students. Was it
a cute little snail, though??? Some people just have no soul :)
> > Oh yes, so *you* say ;) Just 'cos you've gone up to the festival city,
> > you think you can get away with anything ;)
> but but but .. *thinks* .. i'm also getting involved in owen
> goodyear's production of a midsummer night's dream if it goes ahead?
> and i'm auditioning for plays and things?
Hmmm...*ponder*. Ok, you're forgiven :) Especially 'cos Midsummer Night's
Dream is such a groovy play.
> please don't kill me?
Oooh you have no idea what a narrow escape you just had ;)
Ben Werdmuller
> > A level German, Theatre Studies
>
> they have an a-level in Theatre Studies?
grrrrrr
of *course* they have an a level in theatre studies ;P
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Celeste
Wilson) wrote:
how you should act etc and so
> The year I started German they stopped studying 'Mother Courage and her
> Children' for the text thingummy, so we didn't get it. Shame. Thing with
> studying German is that a lot of the literature tends to be really political
> so...it's about Nazis ;)
> Fun.
I did get to read Fabian which was not about Nazis, but it was
soooooooo shite :>
Celeste Rowe
Celeste
(Karim Adab) wrote:
>they have an a-level in Theatre Studies?
it is the same as drama, son :)
Celeste Rowe
Ben Werdmuller
> >we did all kinds of character-building alexander technique, actually.
> >relaxing things like shut your eyes, let every muscle go, until every
> >iota of your body is relaxed and your mind is in deep thought.
>
> My uncle does/did the alexander technique. He has a little room in his
> house where he treats people :)
that's cool :) my momma used to a friend's for that. i'm not sure if
she still does. she's taken up yoga though.
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>Katie Wilson peered up and whispered at me:
>
>
>yes, but to be honest, in my opinion, even slicing off your own facial
>muscles and pouring vinegar into the sores is better than chemistry.
>
>apologies to all chemists present, of course ;)
But that *is* chemistry!
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>emma peered up and whispered at me:
>
>> > > A level German, Theatre Studies and English lang/lit.
>> > > People make the silliest assumptions, don't they? ;) Mind you, I am off
>> > > to do a BSc thing in nursing in September...and that might count...and
>> > > then I might be a science freak! Help!
>> > nono, with an a level in theatre studies, you can *never* be a science
>> > freak.
>>
>
>no no no no no no NO. :P
>
>right, that's it. i am going to start work on my novel. and be in a
>play. and start hugging people at every available opportunity and
Well. I STAFFED at the bedlam on wednesday evening..
And I had to shout at people to say the doors were open, and collect
tickets and generally be near lots of strangers. And I got a staffing
voucher, and I wore Owen's Rosencrantz & Guildenstern sweater all
weekend, but only cos I didn't have a jumper with me..
I'm even less artycreativetypeperson than you, and I'm being sucked
in..
(Of course, I secretly want this, and have for years, as it allows me
to delude myself that I am an artycreativetypeperson, but don't tell
anyone, and I still reserve the right to take the piss out of luvvies
everywhere, so.. :)
Sven Olaf Edge
>
>> It sounds almost as horrid as doing endless character studies on Nora, the
>> silly bint in Doll's House. And every essay we do, we have to pretend we *do*
>
>actually, that's my favourite play ;) the first time i actually saw it
>though was last term at the bedlam, up here in edinburgh. before that
>the only version i'd seen was a bbc tv show. which was very green.
>(actually, everything to do with a doll's house seems to be green. i
>forget why this is. but it seems to me to be very bad colour sense to
>paint your walls a dark shade of green. ick.)
>
>an essay entitled "the significance of nora's nose in ibsen's 'a
>doll's house'." excellent stuff. ("NORA: I've decorated it and
>everything!" or something to that effect)
One of the things I remember about the play was her nose.. :\
>> > we *still* haven't had that lecture on mass disasters ...
>> Really? What are they waiting for? Do you have to undergo special mental
>> preparation for that sort of thing? :)
>
>no .. it's just at a certain point in the course. 16th february, in
>fact. (that's for the benefit of sven, if he's listening. 16th
>february, meet outside teviot at 3:45. i'll see you before then, but
>still.)
Goodygood :)
Katie Wilson
>anyone else in the group still listening? <g>
Yes, even though I'm not quite sure what you're on about. Partly
because you're talking about Brecht, and the people doing theatre
studies at school are always carrying round books about him, and partly
because it's interesting :P
>no, i've not seen the jane fonda version. in fact, the only movie i've
>ever seen with her in was barbarella. which opens with her weightless,
>naked, in a room with shag-pile carpets on the walls and ceilings and
>floor. and later on has a blind angel. and she has sex with everyone.
>and it's just *poor*. *nod*
(see what I mean? ;)
>but but but .. *thinks* .. i'm also getting involved in owen
>goodyear's production of a midsummer night's dream if it goes ahead?
When? <:)
Ben Werdmuller
> >but but but .. *thinks* .. i'm also getting involved in owen
> >goodyear's production of a midsummer night's dream if it goes ahead?
>
> When? <:)
i think he said that if it happens it'll be at the beginning of next
year.
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b...@spiremagazine.com (Ben Werdmuller). then they said that Spire
Communications told them to. and gave us this instead.
>but but but .. *thinks* .. i'm also getting involved in owen
>goodyear's production of a midsummer night's dream if it goes ahead?
>and i'm auditioning for plays and things?
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
he's actually going to *do* it!! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
*excitedbounce*
hello. :)
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Ben Werdmuller
> >but but but .. *thinks* .. i'm also getting involved in owen
> >goodyear's production of a midsummer night's dream if it goes ahead?
> >and i'm auditioning for plays and things?
> YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
> he's actually going to *do* it!! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
> *excitedbounce*
> hello. :)
*mops brow*
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Susannah
b...@spiremagazine.com (Ben Werdmuller). then they said that Spire
Communications told them to. and gave us this instead.
>> >but but but .. *thinks* .. i'm also getting involved in owen
>> >goodyear's production of a midsummer night's dream if it goes ahead?
>> >and i'm auditioning for plays and things?
>> YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!
>> he's actually going to *do* it!! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
>> *excitedbounce*
>> hello. :)
>*mops brow*
sorry. <:( *hug* <:)
Tim Jackson
> How do I know about Brecht? I do A level Theatre Studies, that's how :)
> 'Cos he's a practitioner bloke who developed a great big theory all
> about the purpose of theatre and acting, how you should act etc and so
> on and wrote lots of plays too.
Mm, and I once got told a play I wrote was very "Brechtian" which I
wasn't very happy with, considering I was actually aiming at (almost)
exactly the opposite... :(
On the Stanislavski subject (not that I know very much about it having
dropped out of Theatre Studies after about 6 months to do chemistry
instead - bloody stupid decision!), I always thought it was quite a good
idea in principle, and did work to help you get into character and
stuff, but it was taken a bit to extremes and so ended up being a bit
OTT.
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Tim Jackson
> >they have an a-level in Theatre Studies?
> it is the same as drama, son :)
NO IT IS NOT! :P
I don't know why I am getting all defensive when I dropped out of it,
but it isn't. Drama is about drama. Theatre studies is about all
aspects of theatre - drama, backstage (lighting, sound, costumes, set
design etc.), about studying the texts from a theatrical point of view
and allsorts.
Celeste
wrote:
>I don't know why I am getting all defensive when I dropped out of it,
>but it isn't. Drama is about drama. Theatre studies is about all
>aspects of theatre - drama, backstage (lighting, sound, costumes, set
>design etc.), about studying the texts from a theatrical point of view
>and allsorts.
yes it fucking is :P
all the people at my school did acting all the time. And they called
it "drama".
Celeste Rowe
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Katie Wilson
>> No, ben. Sorry. the degree(?) thing in computer science cancels that
>> out. :>
>aw, poo. *sigh*
>if i like got some stuff published and that, would it get me on the
>road to non-science-freekery?
*consider*
depends what sort of stuff it is <g>
>> But it -is- good, and is better than, um, chemistry? <;)
>yes, but to be honest, in my opinion, even slicing off your own facial
>muscles and pouring vinegar into the sores is better than chemistry.
eep.
that is horrible. owww :(
>> What about just a normal freak? :P
>> *HUG*
>nono, i'm not hugging you now ;P
<:(
*tickle*
Ben Werdmuller
> >> No, ben. Sorry. the degree(?) thing in computer science cancels that
> >> out. :>
> >aw, poo. *sigh*
> >if i like got some stuff published and that, would it get me on the
> >road to non-science-freekery?
>
> *consider*
> depends what sort of stuff it is <g>
non-sciencey stuff. fiction. probably. of some kind.
or even poetry, but the chances of me getting my angsty poo in any
sort of publication are just a bit slim ;)
> >> What about just a normal freak? :P
> >> *HUG*
> >nono, i'm not hugging you now ;P
>
> <:(
> *tickle*
*eep*
right, i'm getting you back ;P ;)
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Katie Wilson
>> >if i like got some stuff published and that, would it get me on the
>> >road to non-science-freekery?
>>
>> *consider*
>> depends what sort of stuff it is <g>
>
>non-sciencey stuff. fiction. probably. of some kind.
oh yes then definitely :)
Not if it's things like reports on erm extremely dull and boring innards
of computers.. ;)
>> >> What about just a normal freak? :P
>> >> *HUG*
>> >nono, i'm not hugging you now ;P
>> *tickle*
>*eep*
>right, i'm getting you back ;P ;)
oh bugger.
has gareth told you then? <:|
Ben Werdmuller
> >> >if i like got some stuff published and that, would it get me on the
> >> >road to non-science-freekery?
> >>
> >> *consider*
> >> depends what sort of stuff it is <g>
> >
> >non-sciencey stuff. fiction. probably. of some kind.
>
> oh yes then definitely :)
> Not if it's things like reports on erm extremely dull and boring innards
> of computers.. ;)
oh god no. i have trouble bringing myself to write those anyway, and i
do it as a degree ..
> >> >> What about just a normal freak? :P
> >> >> *HUG*
> >> >nono, i'm not hugging you now ;P
> >> *tickle*
> >*eep*
> >right, i'm getting you back ;P ;)
>
> oh bugger.
> has gareth told you then? <:|
told me what? <:\
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>
>> >> >if i like got some stuff published and that, would it get me on the
>> >> >road to non-science-freekery?
>> >> *consider*
>> >> depends what sort of stuff it is <g>
>> >non-sciencey stuff. fiction. probably. of some kind.
>> oh yes then definitely :)
>> Not if it's things like reports on erm extremely dull and boring innards
>> of computers.. ;)
>oh god no. i have trouble bringing myself to write those anyway, and i
>do it as a degree ..
Thank god for that :)
>> >> >> What about just a normal freak? :P
>> >> >> *HUG*
>> >> >nono, i'm not hugging you now ;P
>> >> *tickle*
>> >*eep*
>> >right, i'm getting you back ;P ;)
>> oh bugger.
>> has gareth told you then? <:|
>told me what? <:\
Well, he has now..
I am still recovering from having my glasses knocked off by low-flying
gareths - how are you bearing up? ;)
Ben Werdmuller
> >> >> >> What about just a normal freak? :P
> >> >> >> *HUG*
> >> >> >nono, i'm not hugging you now ;P
> >> >> *tickle*
> >> >*eep*
> >> >right, i'm getting you back ;P ;)
> >> oh bugger.
> >> has gareth told you then? <:|
> >told me what? <:\
>
> Well, he has now..
<g>
> I am still recovering from having my glasses knocked off by low-flying
> gareths - how are you bearing up? ;)
i had to bend mine back into shape in the end ;) but my head doesn't
hurt any more at least <g>
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